Prov. Liberals, at it again

Ontario government and Ethanol.
I guess it doesn't matter how energy negative the damn stuff is, as
long as the producers continue to make big contributions to their
party. It's also really hard on small engines.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...dard-1.4428179

These idiots have to be voted OUT !

So all I have to do is donate a small portion of the hundreds of millions of dollars given to me, back to them and I am good to go...
Makes sense.

Scammers, every one of them.

Wrong part of the forum for a political rant.
The political board this just below this board.

You gotta love a fuel that will destroy older and small engine fuel deliver systems.

I wonder how many articles have to come out to prove how bad Ethanol is on global food prices, not to mention the destruction of the rain forests in South America, when corn is worth more than the forest the forest loses.

We need to stop driving escalades to take our 1 kid to soccer, that is the problem.

I have been looking at cars again, my 1994 Toyota Camry got about 8L/100km average, the new 2018 Camry get an average of 7L/100km. 24 years of technology and they have not reduced the fuel consumption much at all but yet they have added 70HP for nothing in a grocery getter, give me 130HP with a stick shift and 4L/100km and we would not have to worry about all this fuel talk.

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Originally Posted by Fox

You gotta love a fuel that will destroy older and small engine fuel deliver systems.

I wonder how many articles have to come out to prove how bad Ethanol is on global food prices, not to mention the destruction of the rain forests in South America, when corn is worth more than the forest the forest loses.

We need to stop driving escalades to take our 1 kid to soccer, that is the problem.

I have been looking at cars again, my 1994 Toyota Camry got about 8L/100km average, the new 2018 Camry get an average of 7L/100km. 24 years of technology and they have not reduced the fuel consumption much at all but yet they have added 70HP for nothing in a grocery getter, give me 130HP with a stick shift and 4L/100km and we would not have to worry about all this fuel talk.

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The thing is those fuel efficient vehicles are already on the market. The person buying an Escalade couldn't care less about fuel efficiency or emissions. It would be interesting to see a credible in depth study to compare the "true" carbon footprint of producing ethanol vs gasoline? It might prove to be inconvenient for some. People think electric cars are produced in a vacuum with no carbon footprint like hydro is magically produced and batteries are recycled like pop cans. Unfortunately proper studies are expensive and those who pay for them usually have an agenda.
I do believe electric cars are an eventual necessity but disagree with the business model we have no choice but to pay for. Instead of using carbon taxes to pay for inneffencies and bloated government a system should be put in place to subsidize science and technology to clean up emission producing industries. The money stolen from us doesn't do that and has no effect on the environment.

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Originally Posted by terrym

The thing is those fuel efficient vehicles are already on the market. The person buying an Escalade couldn't care less about fuel efficiency or emissions. It would be interesting to see a credible in depth study to compare the "true" carbon footprint of producing ethanol vs gasoline? It might prove to be inconvenient for some. People think electric cars are produced in a vacuum with no carbon footprint like hydro is magically produced and batteries are recycled like pop cans. Unfortunately proper studies are expensive and those who pay for them usually have an agenda.
I do believe electric cars are an eventual necessity but disagree with the business model we have no choice but to pay for. Instead of using carbon taxes to pay for inneffencies and bloated government a system should be put in place to subsidize science and technology to clean up emission producing industries. The money stolen from us doesn't do that and has no effect on the environment.

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Fuel efficient vehicles are not on the market for the average person. The ones with great fuel efficiencies are very expensive, why not just have a smaller engine with a reasonable amount of power to get from point A to point B and be done with it. The first honda civic that came into NA had 60HP with a 7.8L/100km, our family got around in one of those bad boys at the start, it worked and 60HP worked.

I know that the escalade people will not care, then tax the crap out of them and leave the rest of us alone. The carbon tax, Ethanol to reduce emissions, all of these things only hurt the middle class and below, the upper class does not care at all but when food costs go up, fuel costs go up, bus passes go up, etc, all because they want to reduce emissions why not tax the crap out of someone who wants 500HP to take little timmy to soccer.

Well there is a simple reason WHY they want to do this it seems and even CBC is getting it....


Ontario taxpayers gave $163M to Liberal Party's biggest corporate donor
Ethanol-maker GreenField Specialty Alcohols has donated $480,000 to Kathleen Wynne's party since 2007
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...ions-1.3558156

Our gas has 10% ethanol in it and I'll tell you something - it clogs the fuel system of everything - just recently has to take the carbs off my two outboards and clean out all the green slime in them - this happened even with me faithfully putting a fuel stabilizer into the gas - it seems everyone is all shook up over carbon and climate change - plants need carbon to grow and as far as climate change is concerned - I like the warmer weather

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Originally Posted by Fox

Fuel efficient vehicles are not on the market for the average person. The ones with great fuel efficiencies are very expensive, why not just have a smaller engine with a reasonable amount of power to get from point A to point B and be done with it. The first honda civic that came into NA had 60HP with a 7.8L/100km, our family got around in one of those bad boys at the start, it worked and 60HP worked.

I know that the escalade people will not care, then tax the crap out of them and leave the rest of us alone. The carbon tax, Ethanol to reduce emissions, all of these things only hurt the middle class and below, the upper class does not care at all but when food costs go up, fuel costs go up, bus passes go up, etc, all because they want to reduce emissions why not tax the crap out of someone who wants 500HP to take little timmy to soccer.

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They do sort of tax the crap out of them. HST on a $90k Escalade and the daily gasoline taxes are way more than the guy driving a Honda Fit. They are building better vehicles now. Your example of a 60hp Honda with 7l/100 consumption doesn't sound great compared to my 395hp 5.7hemi that averages under 12l/100. But you are correct, we don't need to drive the level of vehicles we do.

I LOVE MY F250...and I am willing to pay the price...don't like it..but I pay my share.