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Just when you thought Excalibur couldn't innovate the recurve crossbow any further.
New Excalibur crossbow bow launching on Jan 07th 2021.
Excalibur twin strike. Will enable you to load 2 arrows. To be shot with 2 separate triggers and two sets of limbs. Think over and under shot-gun.
No more worries about re-cocking the bow for that follow up shot... :)
Dealer MSRP $2,222.00
Order yours today! :)
I know its a true story..... but I wish it was a joke...lol
Prices for archery equipment is freakin' obscene. Ain't happenin' for this hunter,ever.
That does it!... now i'm triggered :DQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
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O-o-o-h boy! Wait til I get some popcorn and put the beer on ice,OK? LOL:ninja:Quote:
Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher
surprised they went this route..whats is the appeal of a follow up shot? I predict this will be a massive flop on excals part....
too bad they didnt spend that R&D money to make a more lighter or reliable product..I love excals but who the heck would want to lug this thing around in the woods, I just dont get it
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
Never thought I'd spend $900 on a matrix 380 but glad I did. Over 2 grand for a follow up shot that may never be needed or have one presented. Don't think so. I'll stick with what I got.
Seen it. All it means is that because of a follow up shot, people are going to be taking even more stupid, careless and unethical shots at game than they have before.
Honestly, working at a bow shop, I am really getting sick of hearing about the stupid 50, 60, 70 + yard misses and cripples which couldn't be found by over zealous idiots trying to get an instagram photo. I use to like crossbows, heck we even have two of our own. I've written about them and promoted them. My son shot his first deer, a nice 6 point buck at six yards with one when he was twelve. Now I'm really starting to hate them.
It seems that taking an unethical, poor shot is getting more and more common place now and the manufacturers are jumping on the bad wagon with their stupid advertising and promotions such as, "meet your new rifle."
To top it off people seem to be bragging about their misses now. Pathetic.
Everyone is just looking for an easier way to fill a tag. Learn how to hunt from crying out loud!!!
Its not only the crossbow shooters, there's unethical hunters in all displines of hunting....
Bow hunting now banned in Tasmania after animal activists complaints of cruelty
Bow hunting now banned in Tasmania after animal activists complaints of cruelty, and Department of Primary Industries, Parks, Water and Environment minister calling bow hunters “disgusting and cruel”.
Minister for DPIPWE, Peter Gutwein has today swallowed the bait offered up by animal activists and officially banned ALL bowhunting activity in Tasmania.
This follows a fiery few days where Gutwein has taken aim at bowhunters both in his home state, and the rest of the world, calling them “disgusting and cruel”.
In fact, he went on to say he did not think it was “acceptable to be shooting anything with a bow and arrow“.
Is Gutwein suggesting that indigenous people around the world who still enjoy their heritage and culture of hunting food and controlling wildlife with a bow, or other traditional methods, are disgusting and cruel?
How about our own European ancestors, who have been hunting with bows for thousands of years? Also disgusting and cruel?
So how did this mess start?
Last week, two wounded wallabies were found with arrows in them.
Let’s just state a few facts here:
It is already illegal to bow hunt native animals anywhere in Australia.
These animals were shot using target arrows, which suggests that it was more likely young kids than experienced bowhunters.
Bowhunting was already heavily restricted in Tasmania, with only rabbits, hares, wild goats and feral cats allowed to be taken with a bow.
Yet despite all these facts, the usual plethora of enraged activists sprung into action to try to use the illegal act to somehow condemn all bowhunters (and by extension, all hunters).
Unfortunately, the ruse worked.
First, they drew an incredibly long bow, linking the illegal and unethical act to Hunting Tasmania, a private business in Tasmania that offers meat and trophy hunts of fallow deer on a private, high-fenced property in the North of Tasmania – a property that was actually operating within the guidelines and regulations of Tasmanian law, as set out by Gutwein’s own department.
But not anymore.
Gutless Gutwein has delivered on his promise to shut the business down, and rushed through changes faster than Jacinda Adern going after hunters!
This afternoon, we received word that Deidre Wilson, General Manager, Corporate Services Division, DPIPWE has “reinterpreted” the laws to remove any loopholes that previously allowed farmed deer or feral animals to be taken with a bow.
Now you cannot even take a feral animal with a bow.
But don’t cheer for the animals.
They can still be killed by a variety of methods. You can gut shoot them with a rifle, stick them with a knife, you can poison them with 1080 (a favourite method of DPIPWE) or if you feel like it, you can smash their skull with a bolt gun, which is what other meat processors do to kill livestock. But don’t you dare do what our ancestors have done since time began and use a bow…
Maybe before he caved to a vocal minority, Gutwein should have considered what else those same activists want to ban.
What’s clear is that the two major parties here in Tasmania hate hunting in all its forms – not even traditional hunting methods are supported!
To paraphrase Martin Niemöller:
First they came for the hunters, and I did not speak out because I was not a hunter.
Then they came for the fishermen but I did not speak out, because I did not fish.
They came for the farmers and I did not speak out because I was not a farmer.
Then they came for me—taking my right to choose the food I feed my family, but there was no one left to speak for me.
As a society, we need to stop viewing the attacks on our personal freedoms as ‘not my problem’. Unless we stand together against the vocal minority, we will lose all rights to hunt, fish, 4WD, camp, farm and yes, even eat meat.
Has anybody seen this,yet? I found this on another forum,so,I hope it's OK to repost. Food for thought.
And I have met a few too many.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdog
Although I agree with you on this crossbow, in what practical scenario are you going to get with a follow up shot? I can see some complete fool trying to shoot a running animal with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
But you could use the EXACT same arguement with recurves. Example: "People should stop using recurves because what if someone doesn't practice enough and takes a 30 yard shot?"Obviously you'd say that arguement is ridiculous, because it is.
If someone misuses a weapon then it is 100% their fault and no one elses. If you don't know your limitations don't hunt. To say someone should stop doing something because other people might try and fail is absolutely nonsensical.
Also I've never seen a single post on here or any forum about someone bragging about 70 yard misses, I don't see what there is to brag about.
Also proportionally way more animals are wounded with recurves than with crossbows, why do people like to pretend that crossbows somehow wound more animals than any other piece of archery equipment?
It makes zero sense. It doesn't matter what piece of archery equipment you have, a fool will always find a way to mess something up.
As my favourite saying goes "The first mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.”
As a crossbow this seems ridiculously impractical. All it does is save you the inconvenience of cocking it before a second shot. In what scenario are you going to get a follow up shot? Are you going to shoot the animal while it's running??? Not even mentioning how cumbersome and heavy this will be because of this useless add on. Excalibur need to stick with their micro line up, not making fast crossbows with exploding limbs and "over & under" crossbows.
Agreed, but with the promoting from the various competing manufacturers and the makeup of the crossbows themselves, it's getting worse all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdog
Rifle hunters generally get into bow hunting why, because they get an extended season. I get that and also promote that myself. The thing is, these people always want instant success. Since when was bowhunting ever suppose to be easy.
People want to bow hunt without wanting to learn to bow hunt. Most end up hunting out of the very same stands they use in rifle season, over the very same corn piles, and then of course taking stupid shots. This is not an assumtion but fact from people telling me first hand. Not just the odd person, but from my perspective, the majority of people who offer this information to me.
If you wanna bow hunt, you have to leave the rifle mentality behind. One of the most important things to learn is how to let an animal walk away. There's always another day.
That why the bow hunting season is three months long and not a week long the way it is for rifle season. Rifle hunting is easy. Bow hunting takes work, learning and skill. No one wants to take the time to learn it!
I have 4 bows, that's enough.... well maybe 1 or 2 more.
An Excalibur Vixen 2 I got on a very good sale, a regular 30 lb recurve, my dad's 50lb compound and a 35 lb Hankyu bow ... but I do want to see a picture of that bow... think they will come out with an Assault crossbow with a 5 round mag? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVsOFOQkUQ4 maybe with a laser sight?
Anyway, seems like there are archery Fudds too... when you look back there were huge battles lost because someone decided only a long bow or something else was "proper" ... on humanitarian grounds the crossbow is likely to be much more reliable to bring down a deer since people don't have archery ranges and the time etc. so on that grounds why not ban long and recurve bows?.... well because some want to use it and take the time.... it is their choice! they have to take the responsibility and time to get good at it.
There are others that due to disabilities and age and injuries can't pull a bow anymore, seems some have no empathy for them and for those that want to hunt but don't have the time and place to practice.... it is their choice to use a crossbow ..... sheesh... Fudds!
I got a bunch of stuff this year at a garage sale, turns out the guy was a bow hunter who had severely injured his shoulder in an accident, he won't have the ability to hunt with any BOW EVER AGAIN!, I hope he takes my advice and looks into an Excalibur or other crossbow! You can get them with cranks that would allow him to get out again, I saw on one of the Facebook hunting pages that the one guy with a crossbow on his back going out was 75... good to see that guy out hunting!
There's a huge difference between a recurve hunter and a crossbow hunter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic
All you have to do to be a crossbow hunter is to buy a crossbow. That's part of the problem.
Being a recurve hunters takes shooting tens of thousands of arrows shot, and years of practice and dedication. I had the limb finally break on me on one of my bows and I figured I had approx 230,000 shots out of it.
That kind of dedication creates a very different mind set for shooting than does shooting a half dozen bolts for sighting in and going straight out for a hunt.
There's also a large disadvantage to hunting with a vertical bow over a crossbow. The movement required to shoot, the posture required to shoot and the window of opportunity to shoot is much, much smaller. Quite honestly all of the above makes one much more aware of correct shot opportunities.
Again, with a crossbow you aim and shoot so it makes one less aware of bad opportunities.
Again, learn how to bow hunt.
Of course hunting with a recurve is more challenging. It probably takes more discipline than any other form of hunting. I was just stating that if someone watched you take a deer at 30 yards and decided to try it out themselves with little practice they'd wound the deer. It would be ludicrous to suggest that was partly your fault for him using you as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
All I'm suggesting is everyone's responsible for themselves and themselves only.
I just don't believe recurves or compounds should be the only pathway into archery hunting. If you find archery to be enjoyable then you wouldn't mind sacrificing some time in the woods to hit some targets. Personally, I'd rather use any free time I have in the woods hunting.
Regardless, you could put the best olympic barebow archer in the woods. If he has no woodsmanship then he could have a belt fed machine gun and have zero chance. Hunting has very little to do with shooting.
:thumbup: post of the week!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
Well, excuse all of us for not meeting your high standards, dedication and commitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
It does not matter what you have in hand as a tool to take game. It is how one goes about doing it ethically with patience and knowledge.
I am just as proficient taking deer with my tool of choice and does not matter if it is a rifle, shotgun, crossbow, ML or my cellphone camera. I have taken deer with all of them. I have no problem stalking deer to within 30 yards or waiting for them to show up if I'm on stand. All within range of the tools listed above and all equally effective. Decades of experience has taught me well and laws dictate which tool I have in hand.
Good for you to enjoy a recurve bow but as a purist, you are only inserting division in the hunting community in which we should be united.
Exactly my point. It doesn't matter what you're using. If you don't know how to get yourself within range of that animal then you're not shooting anything. Someone with a rifle and no woodsmanship has less chance than someone with a recurve and has been hunting their whole life.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Shooting is such a tiny fraction of hunting, to say someone shouldn't be able to hunt because of some miniscule details in what they're shooting is absolutely ridiculous.
First of all, undoubtedly there is a huge difference between bow hunting and rifle hunting. Fred Bear use to say that a guy will learn more about deer hunting in a week with a bow than a rifle hunter will their entire life. That is entirely true. It's fair to state that in most cases the guy buying a crossbow and listening to all the promotional material, watching the stupid hunting shows on TV, etc., that they're not going to understand the limitations of the crossbow in bow hunting. It's not just about hitting a bullseye. So out there they go, out there taking stupid long shots because they think they know the limitations of their equipment, but they don't. Most guys don't even shoot a dozen bolts out of their crossbows a year. Again, there's no dedication there to mastering their craft. Being new bow hunters they aren't good at reading a deers behavious either. Hard to when all you've done is shoot at them from 200 yards away. That's one of the things Fred Bear was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic
Now you have these new crossbows being manufactured and touted as 40, 50, 60, 70 yard plus weapons for deer hunting. Now anyone who has bow hunted for years knows that's just rediculous. So.many new hunter don't. Bow hunting you have a very, very limited shot placement and opportunity. I constantly hear about guys trying to shoot at deer which are facing them, bad angles, running, etc.
It's not the bow which is the problem, as I've said earlier, we have two crossbows ourselves. It's the inexperience, the advertising, the hunting forums and social media which keeps saying, it's okay to take a 60 yard shot. That's sheer stupidity.
People don't want to spend the time anymore to learn, regardless if it's shooting, or tracking, or hunting. They want instant success and satisfaction. That's where much of the problem lays and crossbows now advertising 480 fps, 100 yard accuracy, even a backup shot only promotes worse and worse shot attempts.
It's disgusting!!
Also there are a lot of rifle hunters who take stupid shots on a constant basis as well.
There are two types of hunters out there.
The first one will ask, "how far was the shot?"
The second one will ask, "how close were you?"
The way crossbows are being promoted right now, how they're making them, they are trying purposely to tout crossbows as a distance weapon to make sales and to attract the first group of peoplr who aren't bow hunters.
That's the problem right there.
And if you say I'm being an elitist, you're darn right I am. The deer we hunt deserve that kind of respect from us.
Found this on the net....
No thanks... Not what I think of when I think of bow hunting... Just seems silly...
https://patents.google.com/patent/US...libur+crossbow
That looks scary in so many ways. I'm thinking of all the finger slaps and dry fires observed with a single string. We all know how the reliability of Excalibur has taken a hit, how the hell will this contraption be a hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
I have no interest in this latest offering, but I did take a 2nd shot once. My 1st shot went under the deer. Because I shoot an old Exocet 165 I was able to re-c0ck it by hand up in my stand. I killed the deer, field dressed it, and waiting until end of legal time for my buddy who was on a stand 150 yards away. We dragged the deer, loaded it in the truck and started driving home when he said to me, "So you gonna tell me why I heard you shoot twice?" :o:o:o :sad::sad::sad:
Gotta admit, i'm looking forward to this. I'm sure it'll be a big flop and it's going to be pretty entertaining, and kinda sad, watching the sponsored hunting celebs try to push it.
Maybe xbow deer drives will become a big thing? They can advertise it as "the buckshot of bow season." Maybe demonstrate shooting a cow and calf in record speed?
One thing's for sure, the internet memes are going to be hilarious. Not that I ever make fun of xbows...
Ok fine, just a couple to get warmed up
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Of course there's a huge difference between a rifle and bow, my point was that woodsmanship is way more important than the weapon you have in your hand. I also agree that many guys come from rifle hunting into crossbows and think it's a "rifle" and take no time to learn their weapon or the basics of archery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
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Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
Now this I completely disagree with. To hold a high power modern crossbow to the same limitations as a recurve is ridiculous. High powered crossbows aren't limited by penetration and string jumping. You can shove all the pseudoscience charts in my face all you want, I've disproven it both theoretically and practically. It's not even a discussion, you're just 100% wrong beyond a shadow of doubt. Any deer past 40 yards doesn't even hear the crossbow go off, let alone react. I've taken deer above 60 yards, even some that were alert, and not ONCE has a bolt landed an inch off where I've aimed. Does this mean I purposefully take shots far away? No, most of the deer I've taken were inside of 30 yards, I've spot and stalked deer to under 5 yards. So saying "I don't know how to read deer behaviour because of it" is laughable. Keep saying "hail mary shot" and "wont happen again", meanwhile I'll keep having success and my deer will keep taking dirt naps within ear shot.
If you're promoting taking 60 + yard shots on deer with a crossbow then you're part of the problem.
If you and your equipment are capable for the job then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. I'm going to keep taking those shots, my bolt is going to land where it always does, and those deer are going to die within 30 seconds the same way they all do time and time again. My crossbow goes through a deer like butter at that range, I can hit a quarter with it at that range, and the deer doesn't jump the string. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the shot is risky and every argument against it I've disproven theoretically and in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
Unless you're going to provide a valid counter arguement, then this conversation is done.
I used to hunt with both a Compound and a Crossbow. Different tools but both were challenging in their own way to 'hunt' with. Both are appropriate to hunt deer with. Both need acquired skill sets to ensure clean kill shots and that is learned thru experience. To judge one better than the other is usually made by those that haven't learned how to use and experience both.
They're just tools and which tool you choose to use is a personal choice and based on what the hunt demands.
ie: for late Dec Bow hunting, I found the crossbow was the better tool, as it was easier to use wearing heavy cloths and gloves and easier to manipulate after your muscles have sat in the cold for 3-4 hours. Learned that thru experience, the best way to form opinions.
To insert a wedge into the archery community by saying your tool is better because it takes longer to master and therefore makes you a better hunter is not only a ridiculous premise, it's egotistical.
No offence Jeff, I admire a skilled recurve bow hunter like yourself and your dedication to the sport and the training it requires to become proficient. But it's like the difference between using a horse team or the tractor to plough the field, it's a personal choice, but both will get the job done.
Jeff im kind of getting sick of your holier than though look at me attitude...we should be uniting hunters not dividing..your blatant generalizations of crossbow hunters is disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
I know many crossbow hunters who put in miles of walking scouting, use summit climbers to stay mobile, and know deer behaviour, ethical shooting, etc as good as the rest of them (perhaps they one day aspire to be as good as you)
stop generalizing - have you ever considered the reason some shoot a crossbow is bc in the GTA its damn hard to buy a lot big enough to launch arrows 30 yards and practise effectively? or we have new people to the country who have never hunted before but want to get into the sport? I was not lucky enough to have a dad who liked hunting (he actually condoned and didnt want me doing it) so off I went, bought a crossbow and here I am im love with hunting buying tags every year scouting my tail off to try and consistently shoot mature bucks within 30 yards every year on public land..but SORRY JEFF I will never be as good as you with your recurve! keep dividing us hunters and when the anti's get together and turn our public lands into bird watching areas because we dwindled down our numbers to nothing you can hang your hat and know you played a part in it. Mr I know it all and Mr only recurve hunters know how to deer hunt..shame on you
not sure how you get a follow up shot off with a crossbow unless its one of those deer that freeze after hearing something whizz past them.
for 2.2k i can buy a new crossbow and a new shotgun.
For $2200 I can buy 2 micro Excaliber crossbows.
I know how to hunt, because of the time I spend in the woods, with no weapon. Just observing.
It took my 3rd arrow from the crossbow to hit a Tom turkey once. Hard to hit the 1" neck at even 20 yds...missed twice, he never even flinched. So I lowered the POA to the base of the neck and that did the trick....learning experience for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
Ohh, and hunting from a Pop-up is about the only way you're able to re-load a crossbow HaHa..
was that turkey blind or deaf? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The arrow goes by his head pretty fast, he looked like he heard something but probably though it was a deer fly, went right back to eating. The bow noise in the Pop-up didn't bother them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
If you hunt well, you can get Turkeys to come right up to the pop-up and stick their head inside the window. I've had to wait a few times for back off so I go lift the bow.
Same with Deer...Bows are quite, If you don't raise their suspicion and you can get them in pretty close before you squeeze the release.
When it happened to me the doe was confused by the "twang" she heard from above and the "thunk" she heard behind her when my arrow stuck in a log. She ran in a circle and eventually settled back down to nibbling plants. But she busted me in my tree stand on the "click" when I re-c0cked my crossbow. That led to one of those stare-downs that 9 times out of 10 does not go the hunter's way. But the hunting gods were on my side that day :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
haha, i know the stare downs way to well, like theyre looking into your soul LOL i sometimes forget to breathe LMFAOQuote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
Why knock on them for innovation? I'm sure tons of people balked at them when they came out with micros at first as well and having started with an older vortex the move to a lighter and smaller framed micro was a welcomed improvement.
I also own a compound bow but living in the city with limited range access makes frequent practice a challenge so xbow allows me to get out for an extended season that would otherwise be out of reach if they weren't allowed. Should I be denied participation in the bow season because I use a xbow instead of a compound / recurve / long bow?
Show me the science that xbow results in higher population impacts (via success or wounding) vs other means and you could make a case. Perhaps long bow should have the longest season with shorter seasons for other means as efficacy of weapons increases as that should be the basis really.
In terms of maintaining a position that hunting with XYZ weapon makes you a superior hunter and all others are inferior is just a silly argument. I am sure spear hunters and atlatl purists could make the case their method requires far more practice, dedication and are far better hunters than the more modern recurve hunter.
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I'll also add that just because xcal has come out with this product doesn't mean you will be able to hunt with it. Governments could easily not make this a permissible weapon if they desire.
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Why do people keep calling firearms, crossbows etc., “ weapons” ?????
Legally hunting with a gun, bow etc does not constitute using a weapon where the law is concerned but in the broader sense of the English language the definition of weapon is:Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
any object used to harm, injure or kill.
When I put an animal in my freezer using any tool, that tool is a weapon where the English language is concerned.
Regardless of the image it portrays in plain and simple terms I use a weapon to kill animals so I can eat them. Any attempt to soften that image is just semantics IMHO.
anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim:....ie: normally used in regards to Humans....Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Weapon... nounQuote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
"nuclear weapons"
It may be semantics, but to the anti gun crowd, it furthers their bias. Reminds me of a good friend who was a Master Hunter Safety Instructor, of military background. When one of his students referred to their firearm as a “weapon”, he forcefully reminded them that they were not “weapons”...
But, back to the topic !!!
In boot Camp we used to see guys forced to stand on a table in the mess hall and chant:Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
This is my rifle..... this is my Gun (pointing at crouch)
This is for shooting..... this is for fun...
one of the first thing a soldier learns HaHa...
Where the antis are concerned I highly doubt playing semantics or calling something a tool versus weapon makes any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Just like harvest vs kill - semantics. I kill animals. Farmers harvest crops and when they send an animal to be butchered pretty sure that they don't say they are harvesting cows.
Because when you are using it for hunting they are by their very definition weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
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Depends on the definition !Quote:
Originally Posted by gv0116
But according to the MNR...the kills are counted as a 'Harvest" in regards to the Deer Management Plan. The hunt is conducted to cull the herd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
That's why the MNR call it the Annual Harvest report...Not the Annual Kill report...semantics between the killer and the farmer. HaHa..
... According to English dictionaries haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
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There's the problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Curious if one would say a bear or wolf harvests deer...Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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Harvest is a word that makes it more palatable to those on the fence I guess.
I might use "take", "got", or "shot" around sensitive company. "Harvest" sends instant images of crops to my mind, it doesn't fit with hunting IMO.
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I had a lady at the Restore asked if I 'caught' one this year....maybe she thinks (hopes ?) it's 'catch and release'.. HaHa...Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
X2.
The term weapon is associated with the intent or usage to hurt peoples. Which is not the case for hunting.
Yeah I hear that a lot as well haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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LOL pretty common down this way heard that one more than once and this was from guy's.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Very interesting topic turned into more interesting conversation about hunting implements vs hunting implements vs hunting style ..etc.
Very interestingly-but not surprisingly,most of the posters here are looking at the arguments as: me versus you,my method versus Your method.
Also,not surprisingly,we have seen these arguments earlier-and the staunch proponents of long range shooting are the same ,as the "traditional"hunting proponents.
Also-we have seen arguments here with hunting over bait versus other methods of hunting.
We also had one similar debate few years back about long range shooting with rifle(or long range animal harvest).
Everything comes down to-me versus you,my method versus Your method.
But-if we look deep down,and want to be honest, there are two facts some miss to see :just because it is legal ,does not NECESSARY make it ethical-or Non ethical-for that matter.
Yet-the difficulty level of ethically harvesting an animal sets the two approaches apart.
As far i am concerned-neither traditional nor crossbow is a bad tool,as long as it is ethically used.
What some posters try to say-the "easiness"of crossbow shooting makes it more popular, but also more prone to take those shots ,which a traditional bow hunter would not take,thus increasing chances of wounding.
At the end-to each their own.
We are all hunters here-maybe we should try to go away from name calling the next guy(like elitist)
That is what nowadays most left leaning "interest groups"do, to silence "opposition".Mostly ,when they try to push their agenda set on "shaky"grounds.
I hope we are (at least most of us here)better then that.
One thing we're not mentioning is how in the world are you going to aim with this thing??? This thing is going to be so front heavy that it'll be nearly impossible to shoot it accurately without a rest. This style of crossbow was already a bit front heavy to begin with, now it's going to have two rails, two sets of limbs, two sets of string dampeners, and two bolts... The point of balance is going to be probably on the front 1/4 of the bow. Good luck hitting anything shooting offhand.
The weight is listed as being 7-3/4 lbs. Not sure how the balance on it will be but can check it out at Cabelas once the lockdowns are over.
IMO cull isn’t the appropriate word, I suggest that “manage” is more correct. Culling is when they have to reduce the herd due to over-population such as the situation at certain privincial parks a few years ago,Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Same...culling is part of the MNR Deer Management Plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
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Why do deer need to be culled?
It is important to manage deer to ensure a healthy and sustainable deer population in balance with the environment, to protect them from starvation due to overgrazing, to reduce potential for disease and from death and injury in road traffic accidents (the National Deer-Vehicle Collisions Project estimates that there ...
Without a scope 7 3/4lbs is heavy for a crossbow. The weight being at the front is my best guess. Usually the matrixes were a bit front heavy to begin with. Now you have two sets of limbs, an extra rail, and two bolts. It doesn't look like they added any weight to the back at all. But it's true, I won't know for sure until I get my hands on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Finally got my hands on twin strike yesterday I like the scope.
Think 420 td is on its way out the door. Lol
Got to shoot a twin strike today. I’m sold
Lol
Can you add more to your comment js4fn.
What did you like or not like about it. Personally I don't see the need for it but I am a huge fan of Excalibur and would love to hear your experience with it.
May change my mind from your report
Well last two years I’ve had a Excalibur 420tdQuote:
Originally Posted by huntnmachine
In those two year 4 deer 2 turkeys
Maybe I’m crazy.
Twin strike is actually a bit lighter weight wise
crank is a must have for me back is gone
Twin strike operates decock very much like the 420td. Only dual string
I like the safety both sides nice location
Scope is a great match
It really felt good shooting it.
Shooting is much quieter then the 420 buddy first words were it’s quieter then yours
First shot dead on second string I put it to the side so not to ruin their bolts
Plus I’m actually getting nice store credit on the deal. Dealer wanted my syrup sap evaporator tank equipment my sugar shack was destroyed last November in wind storm. Luckily the equipment came out with out damage
Sounds like 2 month wait. Dealer can’t sell the show room one
Let you know later in the year how it works out
Great....thanks for the report.
Look forward to hearing about your actual results