Covid Goon Squad Arresting a Mom

You have to watch this video. Especially if you are one of those that believes that the Covid Enforcement isn't going to infring on our rights.

This took place in Syndey AS.

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It was perfectly legal during Sydney's first lockdown. But because Renee was carrying a sign objecting to the restrictions, she was swarmed by police.

She was doing nothing wrong. She wasn't at a demonstration. She wasn't at a rally.

She was literally just out for some exercise with her child.

And then police ripped her child out of her arms, and smashed her into the back of a police van.

Again and again, the terrified four-year-old cried and screamed as police ripped him away from his mum, who tried her best to hold on to him.

It may be the most enraging, heartbreaking, barbaric thing you will ever see.

But you have to watch and share it because everyone has to know what is going on in these lockdowns.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH2g...ature=emb_logo

Fine, she probably should not have been arrested, although I don't know what else happened that wasn't shown. But FFS, if you want to protest something, find a babysitter first, don't try to use your kid as a human shield. Irresponsible.

a little back story...under Australia Lockdowns you were only allowed to go outside for exercise. So she took her toddler (for his walk too) and took the walk around the block. She also decided to wear a sign that said: 'If you don't know your rights, you don't have any. Magna Carta.' (freedom of expression).

In the video it looks like 8 cops + a supervisor, ripped her child from her arms and she was manhandled into the back of a van like a sack of potatoes.

Nothing she did should have resulted in that brutality.

The part that gets me is all the bystanders with their phones standing by doing jack squat. "I will scream and make things better ".... if people won't stand up for other people, were all screwed.

I bet that van door felt lovely on her legs as they jammed it down on her shins.

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She looked pretty combative to me, and no doubt they only showed the parts of the video that were favorable to her.

It's happening in Canada too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JycyFS_mAY

Great legal article in the Toronto Sun this morning. The onus is on the government, not the individual.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...charter-rights

"Curfews breach several Charter provisions. Section 2 protects the freedom to assemble and associate. Section 7 protects the right not to be deprived of liberty “except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.” Section 15 guarantees equality under the law."

"Concerning pandemic restrictions, courts will agree that governments have a valid objective in trying to address viral spread. However, governments defending curfews must provide evidence to the court that the use of curfews will actually impact viral spread in order to ensure a curfew rule can survive."

"It is nearly impossible to persuade a court to accept that the multiple Charter breaches which a curfew causes are justified when no evidence is presented to support such measures. Courts will also consider, with respect to whether Canadians’ right to liberty is infringed, whether a curfew is “arbitrary” or “overbroad.”

Quebec last night.
https://twitter.com/RebelNewsOnline/...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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Originally Posted by rf2

She looked pretty combative to me, and no doubt they only showed the parts of the video that were favorable to her.

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Wouldn't you be Rob..especially when the pulled her kid away from her ???

They' didn't show anything untrue, AND nothing can substantiate treating a woman (or anyone) like that for any reason. Especially for the perceived crime that would amount to a bylaw offence with a fine.

Pure Brutality under the watchful eye of their supervisor.

Take a look at the odds of infection on this, a woman and her child walking alone or eight slobs within her 6 feet of space. I wonder how they feel their actions are safer than letting her alone.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Wouldn't you be Rob..especially when the pulled her kid away from her ???

They' didn't show anything untrue, AND nothing can substantiate treating a woman (or anyone) like that for any reason. Especially for the perceived crime that would amount to a bylaw offence with a fine.

Pure Brutality under the watchful eye of their supervisor.

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I would not have worn a protest sign while in the presence of my child. That's my point. Like any other animal, humans will do anything to protect their young, so putting yourself and child in this situation in the first place is irresponsible. If she wasn't wearing the protest sign, this would be a whole different discussion. She knew there was the possibility of a confrontation. You could even say she was looking for one.

In the first video in Australia they are not wearing any Masks ?

Look at the those officer's and nobody has a mask on .





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Wearing a protest sign.

Would that be anything like.
Erecting a sign on your lawn during any election for "Anyone but"
Joining a picket line with your children
Walking down "main" street wearing a MAGA hat
Wearing a fur coat while with children
Walking through a park without a mask
Putting brand decals say like Realtree or Browning on your vehicle
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If I were to walk through a park, without a mask on in protest, or say wearing a MAGA hat with my children and any member of the public accosted me. They would be in a world of trouble, more so and especially if I had my children with me.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Wearing a protest sign.

Would that be anything like.
Erecting a sign on your lawn during any election for "Anyone but"
Joining a picket line with your children
Walking down "main" street wearing a MAGA hat
Wearing a fur coat while with children
Walking through a park without a mask
Putting brand decals say like Realtree or Browning on your vehicle
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If I were to walk through a park, without a mask on in protest, or say wearing a MAGA hat with my children and any member of the public accosted me. They would be in a world of trouble, more so and especially if I had my children with me.

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Well said

Wear a mask outside lol.

Mine stay in the car only wear it when needed in a store . I'm not taking a mask to go ice fishing nor the park or out for a walk. .

More restrictions coming I heard from my oldest they want a 5 km travel restriction not sure how that will work. It's about 20 km into town . Oh and she said only 1 person per vehicle guess what my vehicle I can have the family with me like it or not.

John Tory said he would like to see more restrictions on when we go shopping . [emoji1787]

We shall see what tomorrow brings .

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Originally Posted by rf2

She looked pretty combative to me, and no doubt they only showed the parts of the video that were favorable to her.

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Woah, talk about making crap up ... combative?? LOL, no ... the invasion of Capitol Hill was combative ... she was FAR from it.
She has a right to ask WHY she is being arrested. Sounds to me like she was following the law, and some cops got a bit grumpy ...
and decided to interpret the law in their own way ...

If I were her, I'd be suing the police big time ... and I'd like to see the badge come off that female captain ...

You see ... we are NOT a police state ... and it better not go that direction either.

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Originally Posted by rf2

I would not have worn a protest sign while in the presence of my child. That's my point. Like any other animal, humans will do anything to protect their young, so putting yourself and child in this situation in the first place is irresponsible. If she wasn't wearing the protest sign, this would be a whole different discussion. She knew there was the possibility of a confrontation. You could even say she was looking for one.

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Doesn't matter what you would have or wouldn't have done ... it means didly SQUAT. All that matters is what is your rights and what is the law ... otherwise you are simply talking about vigilantism ... you get to chose what you like and don't like ... and then we can kiss everything good bye ... because talk about everything melting down to oblivion ... that's what you'll get.

She was within her rights it seems ... and she found a loop hole ... cops do not get to decide they don't like it and arrest her ... it's either she broke the law or did not ... and it sounds like she was out exercising by walking, and at the same time, expressing her opinion.

Here's what a decent cop would have done ... LEAVE her alone.

COPS will not enter the worst part of the cities due to violent gangs ... but oh yes, let's pounce on a woman walking around with a sign around her neck ... SO LAME.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

a little back story...under Australia Lockdowns you were only allowed to go outside for exercise. So she took her toddler (for his walk too) and took the walk around the block. She also decided to wear a sign that said: 'If you don't know your rights, you don't have any. Magna Carta.' (freedom of expression).

In the video it looks like 8 cops + a supervisor, ripped her child from her arms and she was manhandled into the back of a van like a sack of potatoes.

Nothing she did should have resulted in that brutality.

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It’s pretty easy to blame the police, after seeing a very narrow depiction of the whole occurrence. I learned a long time ago that usually there is much more to an event, than is in a short video. I’m not aware of the police authority in AS, nor have I read the Ontario law with respect to Covid. However, I’d be willing to bet that failure to identify yourself to the police when they are investigating a complaint, is an arrestable offence. There are many statutes where failure to identify is arrestable. The HTA, FWCA, are only a couple. The videos I have seen have pretty much shown someone not identifying themselves to police. Just sayin’............

Seems to me that the people that are upset about ID.Showing proof of ,who you say you are, or face arrest. Are the same ones advocating for carding.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Seems to me that the people that are upset about ID.Showing proof of ,who you say you are, or face arrest. Are the same ones advocating for carding.

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Not seeing that at all. What colour is the sky in your world? I have no issues showing police my ID if I was ever asked (and other than a traffic stop I have never been asked) AND I support carding as a usefull and powerful policing tool which will reduce crime.

There is a whole other part of that video that is not being shown - no different then all that BLM and Me Too (Police brutality) videos that show a small part of a video to evoke the public.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

It’s pretty easy to blame the police, after seeing a very narrow depiction of the whole occurrence. I learned a long time ago that usually there is much more to an event, than is in a short video. I’m not aware of the police authority in AS, nor have I read the Ontario law with respect to Covid. However, I’d be willing to bet that failure to identify yourself to the police when they are investigating a complaint, is an arrestable offence. There are many statutes where failure to identify is arrestable. The HTA, FWCA, are only a couple. The videos I have seen have pretty much shown someone not identifying themselves to police. Just sayin’............

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I don't give a rats azz what she did, her motives for carrying a sign or the fact she had her kid with her. The cops don't have any weapons drawn so she's obviously not a threat.

The video shows police brutality against a mother and her child. Especially of the officer trying to throw her into the back of the van and slamming the door on her legs.

edit add: she was charged: NSW Police confirmed late on Saturday night that she had been issued with a public infringement notice (PIN) and a subsequent $1000 fine.

Basically a Covid related charge/fine....for not social distancing.

The Judge will have a field day with this..especially since it's all captured on video.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I don't give a rats azz what she did, her motives for carrying a sign or the fact she had her kid with her. The cops don't have any weapons drawn so she's obviously not a threat.

The video shows police brutality against a mother and her child. Especially of the officer trying to throw her into the back of the van and slamming the door on her legs.

edit add: she was charged: NSW Police confirmed late on Saturday night that she had been issued with a public infringement notice (PIN) and a subsequent $1000 fine.

Basically a Covid related charge/fine....for not social distancing.

The Judge will have a field day with this..especially since it's all captured on video.

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Well I’ll tell ya , if the police had the authority to arrest her, and she resisted the arrest, the police are authorized to use as much force as necessary to affect the arrest. Bottom line... if you are being arrested, do not resist...courts will decide if the arrest was lawful. Compounding your troubles with a Resist charge, or even an assault PO charge, won’t help your case ! She apparently didn’t get that memo !!

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Well I’ll tell ya , if the police had the authority to arrest her, and she resisted the arrest, the police are authorized to use as much force as necessary to affect the arrest.

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Agree..but what is on the video is 'excessive force'..considering what she was being arrest for. That will be what her lawyer will go after and won't have to work to hard to get. .

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Agree..but what is on the video is 'excessive force'..considering what she was being arrest for. That will be what her lawyer will go after and won't have to work to hard to get. .

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I saw nothing that was excessive. I saw the officers trying to arrest someone who was actively resisting......what she was being arrested for is irrelevant. The active resisting was the cause of any escalation in the use of force...
If anything, she should have been cuffed...standard policy when arresting someone !

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

It’s pretty easy to blame the police, after seeing a very narrow depiction of the whole occurrence. I learned a long time ago that usually there is much more to an event, than is in a short video. I’m not aware of the police authority in AS, nor have I read the Ontario law with respect to Covid. However, I’d be willing to bet that failure to identify yourself to the police when they are investigating a complaint, is an arrestable offence. There are many statutes where failure to identify is arrestable. The HTA, FWCA, are only a couple. The videos I have seen have pretty much shown someone not identifying themselves to police. Just sayin’............

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Rick, I do understand what you are saying ... but we have to put this in perspective ... she is a lady, with a kid, walking around with a non-threatening sign around the neck. She doesn't have a weapon, she is not selling drugs, she is not doing anything more than maybe annoying a few people ...

She can go tell the cops to f themselves, and it still isn't a punishable offence ...

We have 10+ cops there, and they throw her in the back of a van?? That's what you expect if you have rioters throwing bricks through shop windows and setting cars on fire.

It's just plain over-the-top power tripping by that female police officer.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Seems to me that the people that are upset about ID.Showing proof of ,who you say you are, or face arrest. Are the same ones advocating for carding.

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Jeeeze we are coming up with some really good fairy tail stories here ... where in the world are you coming up with this nonsense? LOL.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

I saw nothing that was excessive. I saw the officers trying to arrest someone who was actively resisting......what she was being arrested for is irrelevant. The active resisting was the cause of any escalation in the use of force...
If anything, she should have been cuffed...standard policy when arresting someone !

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Cops cannot just arrest you for nothing ... there would be absolute mayhem if they had that power. There has to be a clear charge ... and there has to be sufficient evidence presented. Sounds to me like they could not communicate to her WHY she was being arrested.

Wow, I am surprised that so many people have such a low opinion of police officers. Some people seem to suggest that the police were just walking around looking for a woman to beat up on. I think it is more likely that it wasn't her use of the loophole that got her thrown in the back of the van, but what she did after she was approached by the police. As someone pointed out, probably refused to identify herself, and resisted arrest. Unfortunately, if there was some sort of law in place at the time (like a curfew) that gave police just cause to question her, like it or not, she has to identify herself.

If you don't agree with a law, go ahead and protest, but recognize that things could get ugly, especially if you plan to be uncooperative when confronted by police. For your child's sake, leave them at home.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Rick, I do understand what you are saying ... but we have to put this in perspective ... she is a lady, with a kid, walking around with a non-threatening sign around the neck. She doesn't have a weapon, she is not selling drugs, she is not doing anything more than maybe annoying a few people ...

She can go tell the cops to f themselves, and it still isn't a punishable offence ...

We have 10+ cops there, and they throw her in the back of a van?? That's what you expect if you have rioters throwing bricks through shop windows and setting cars on fire.

It's just plain over-the-top power tripping by that female police officer.

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Well, I was not there, neither was anyone here. We only get to see a very short video of the attempt to arrest a person. The fact that there were as many officers present, makes me believe there was much more going on there, to illicit such a police response. I agree, she was a lady with her child. Perhaps that fact should have played a part in her decisions to conduct herself in such a manner as to cause such a police response.
A normal thinking individual would not put themselves in such a position when their child was present !!??

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Well, I was not there, neither was anyone here. We only get to see a very short video of the attempt to arrest a person. The fact that there were as many officers present, makes me believe there was much more going on there, to illicit such a police response. I agree, she was a lady with her child. Perhaps that fact should have played a part in her decisions to conduct herself in such a manner as to cause such a police response.
A normal thinking individual would not put themselves in such a position when their child was present !!??

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I am with Rick on this one. Seems we are in the minority though.

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Originally Posted by rf2

Wow, I am surprised that so many people have such a low opinion of police officers.

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Really...watch the video.

Do you think that helps their image??

edit add: I should add I usually support the Police, comes from wearing a uniform for 25 years and understanding the authority it carries. Most of the time I support them 100%. This video however set me off due to the excessive use of power, pulling the child from her and then manhandling her into the van. Totally unnecessary with the amount of officers that were there. They could have en-circled her, let her be and then had the supervisor deal with her verbally. There doesn't appear to be any conversation even attempted.

[QUOTE=MarkB;1140831]Cops cannot just arrest you for nothing ... there would be absolute mayhem if they had that power. There has to be a clear charge ... and there has to be sufficient evidence presented. Sounds to me like they could not communicate to her WHY she was being arrested.[/QUOTE

She was being arrested. I’m sure the police had the authority. The facts are, she was actively resisting the arrest. The lawfulness or reasonableness of that arrest will be decided by a court. Bottom line, she made the decision to cause the escalation of police use of force..the harder one resists, the more force is authorized by police....the person being arrested decides how much force the police will use.....they are authorized to use only as much force as is necessary to affect a lawful purpose.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Really...watch the video.

Do you think that helps their image??

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I watched up to the part where she was thrown in the van and the door was slammed shut. The rest of the video was 10 minutes long. Does something else critical happen later in the video?

Those cops are f00ked.... What was the urgency to remove her like that with her son screaming. What the hell where those cops thinking.
To serve and protect... Who were they serving and who were they protecting. All they did was dramatize that boy and others like them. This should be used as a training exercise as what not to do.... Dumb FOOKS...

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Originally Posted by rf2

I watched up to the part where she was thrown in the van and the door was slammed shut. The rest of the video was 10 minutes long. Does something else critical happen later in the video?

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It looks like the video has been altered on the Rebel siet to add the interview stuff that wasn't there when I first posted it this morning. There was a longer section of video after they ripped her kid away and then proceeded to drag her into the van. That was the part I took the most offence with. I'll see if I can find the original video that was posted.

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Originally Posted by fratri

Those cops are f00ked.... What was the urgency to remove her like that with her son screaming. What the hell where those cops thinking.
To serve and protect... Who were they serving and who were they protecting. All they did was dramatize that boy and others like them. This should be used as a training exercise as what not to do.... Dumb FOOKS...

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Frank, apparently you where there, or have inside info on what transpired before the cell phone came out....please enlighten us !!

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Jeeeze we are coming up with some really good fairy tail stories here ... where in the world are you coming up with this nonsense? LOL.

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That is what some people do. They fish.......they pull some ridiculous notion out of their arse, put it on a hook, throw it out there and see if anything bites. When someone bites they usually end up offended and run to a MOD for help.

We all remember these twerps from school. Same guys that ratted you out when the teacher left the classroom to do something.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

It looks like the video has been altered on the Rebel siet to add the interview stuff that wasn't there when I first posted it this morning. There was a longer section of video after they ripped her kid away and then proceeded to drag her into the van. That was the part I took the most offence with. I'll see if I can find the original video that was posted.

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I'm thinking the cops took the kid because she wasn't of sound mind...lol.

I would have to see the initial conversation between the cops and the woman, but it looked to me like the cops were more stunned by her carrying on ("no I'm not under arrest") than anything else. I think she made her bed with that comment unfortunately.

Covid has turned some people who were only "on the fence crazy" into full blown nut jobs. I think Mom from the video is probably a nut job but Rebel wants to use the footage to push their angle. More of the same... only from the right this time.



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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Frank, apparently you where there, or have inside info on what transpired before the cell phone came out....please enlighten us !!

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It is not what I seen :) (I wasn't there) but it is what I and the world will see that makes it look bad..... It's a training video in the making.

Why does anyone care what happens in Australia? Thousands of miles away, different country, different laws. Let us know when you get video of it happening in Ontario from a legitimate news outlet.

At first they said it was to flatten the curve
Then they said it was a 2 meter distance rule
A mask was made mandatory indoors
All the small businesses had to close
Houses of worship at 25% capacity
Bars with restricted hours and no loud music

Then they said no visitors at home or social gatherings
No hockey games, skiing, assembly or gatherings of more than 10 people outdoors.

Tomorrow......total lockdown

Wake up people!

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Originally Posted by fratri

It is not what I seen :) (I wasn't there) but it is what I and the world will see that makes it look bad..... It's a training video in the making.

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So, if this person had hoofed one of the coppers in the nards, prior to the video, would that change the perspective ? We don’t know what happened to cause the police response. We never do in these video posts. Cops always look bad because the whole scenario is never seen. My questions are, what caused such a large police response ? What caused, what would appear to be a large gathering of yelling people ? There is a lot more to this than what we see on a video clip. What I saw, police trying to arrest an actively resisting person ! No more, no less! I don’t know what caused the response or the arrest. I do know, and I’m speaking from experience as a use of force instructor, a person that should have been grounded and handcuffed.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Why does anyone care what happens in Australia? Thousands of miles away, different country, different laws. Let us know when you get video of it happening in Ontario from a legitimate news outlet.

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Here you go. Chew on this one for a while. Gatineau is part of the National Capital region.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNDSJrMf1E

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Originally Posted by impact

Here you go. Chew on this one for a while. Gatineau is part of the National Capital region.

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Fight with the police and you get what you deserve. The law always wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL8chWFuM-s&list=PLkGQd6XdUG0bh0CB7xJKUamgCugVl_eO9& ab_chann el=theclashVEVO

[QUOTE=Badenoch;1140859]Fight with the police and you get what you deserve. The law always wins.

That's right. The law will win Agent Badenoch

https://www.facebook.com/PoliceOnGuardForThee/

I saw a 'legal' look at the story from an Australian lawyer...thier take..

https://www.nationalcriminallawyers....r-is-arrested/

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I do know, and I’m speaking from experience as a use of force instructor, a person that should have been grounded and handcuffed.

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from earlier link...

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In other words, you may be lawfully arrested if you fail to provide your details to the police if the police believe on reasonable grounds that you have or are about to commit an offence.

In the current case, the police stated, “I do believe you are committing an offence”, whereas they contradict themselves in other times of the videos by saying “you are not being detained”.

Police also have powers to deal with these matters using other discretionary powers. For example, in this case it was open for the police to their powers to issue a move along direction or warn her that she may be arrested.

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She was told she wasn't being detained by the Capt (lady ) officer...so she could refuse to give her name and no reason for her to be taken down and handcuff her.

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That's right. The law will win Agent Badenoch

https://www.facebook.com/PoliceOnGuardForThee/

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If you fight with police officers you will lose eventually. If you want to fight the legal system the place to do it is in court. You can win there.

Haven't commented because, while I personally think the cops were overstepping. That's based on the video presented which does not show the entire incident. And I am not overly familiar with Australia's Covid law, just know they are pretty draconian. That said, earlier I did a few google searches using slightly different terms such as AU police brutality covid, AU police excessive force, AU police arrest women.

Will just say google yielded some surprising results. Quite a few reports of excessive force complaints, noteworthy against women,
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/24/...uring-covid-19

While I usually side with cops and believe to a degree they should get the benefit of doubt. We don't have to look hard, nor think hard to recall incidents where more and more they are behaving like power hungry goons. All kinds of problems in the US over this issue. And more occurring here as well. Like teens being beaten by cops and losing eyes, and far more. Our cops are human too, and humans, nor any particular class are beyond the foibles and infallibility of humanity.

Some just think they are.
I've never much agreed with do as cops tell because they are god...That article Mike linked spells it out. Resisting arrest is only resisting when cops have grounds. And for what it's worth, early on in the vid it's quite evident she wasn't under arrest.

Looks and sounds to me, like the cops escalated it.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

from earlier link...



She was told she wasn't being detained by the Capt (lady ) officer...so she could refuse to give her name and no reason for her to be taken down and handcuff her.

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Not really. Once a person refuses to identify, then the arrest can follow, not the other way around. Typically in these “clusters”, there’s too many officers giving demands.....once a person was arrested for fail to identify, the identification was usually done at the station.
But that’s here...no idea about AS law...she didn’t need to be “detained” for her to have to identify herself. The officer said,” I believe you have committed an offence”...that’s enough ..

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Originally Posted by JBen

Haven't commented because, while I personally think the cops were overstepping. That's based on the video presented which does not show the entire incident. And I am not overly familiar with Australia's Covid law, just know they are pretty draconian. That said, earlier I did a few google searches using slightly different terms such as AU police brutality covid, AU police excessive force, AU police arrest women.

Will just say google yielded some surprising results. Quite a few reports of excessive force complaints, noteworthy against women,
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/24/...uring-covid-19

While I usually side with cops and believe to a degree they should get the benefit of doubt. We don't have to look hard, nor think hard to recall incidents where more and more they are behaving like power hungry goons. All kinds of problems in the US over this issue. And more occurring here as well. Like teens being beaten by cops and losing eyes, and far more. Our cops are human too, and humans, nor any particular class are beyond the foibles and infallibility of humanity.

Some just think they are.
I've never much agreed with do as cops tell because they are god...That article Mike linked spells it out. Resisting arrest is only resisting when cops have grounds. And for what it's worth, early on in the vid it's quite evident she wasn't under arrest.

Looks and sounds to me, like the cops escalated it.

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She escalated by resisting !

Not to sound like a AH but who really cares I know I most certainly don't it's Australia a country half way around the globe. We need to take care of our own problems in our back yard first like silly socks and the covid situation here. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Tigboy 304

Not to sound like a AH but who really cares I know I most certainly don't it's Australia a country half way around the globe. We need to take care of our own problems in our back yard first like silly socks and the covid situation here. Cheers.

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Its a story that reflects how the enforcement of the unconstitutional Pandemic laws by the Police have turned them into Goon Squads around the world. It's turned even our own cities into police states. Look at the fella in Toronto with the BBQ shack. Horse back Police and about 20 officers show up an haul him away.

It also ties into the story concerned retired and active duty peace officers looking to see the end of unconstitutional public health orders. A lot of good cops even see this as ridiculous and abusive use of their powers. They don't like what we see with what happen in their Police services.

see: https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...Guard-for-Thee

As seen by some of the response on here to this story, it's apparent that some folks see nothing wrong with how the police are conducting themselves. Some have have even used 'victim blaming ' because she provoked the assault by wearing a sign protesting of all things "'If you don't know your rights, you don't have any. Magna Carta.'..The irony doesn't escape notice.

When a lady out walking with her kid in a quiet neighbourhood can be assaulted by a gang of Police, have her child ripped from her arms and tossed in a van for the crime of 'not social distancing' there is something really wrong with what society has become.

But like you said it's half way around the world, so not our problem. They probably said the same thing watching the BBQ guy get hauled away and thought they how lucky they were that it wasn't happening there.

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She escalated by resisting !

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The lady Cop was the cause of this debacle and it was her who escalated it... ...the moment she crabbed the ladies arm.

She was trying to leave after she was told by the same cop she wasn't being detained.

Giving her a ticket for not social distancing did not require her being arrested.

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Its a story that reflects how the enforcement of the unconstitutional Pandemic laws by the Police have turned them into Goon Squads around the world. It's turned even our own cities into police states. Look at the fella in Toronto with the BBQ shack. Horse back Police and about 20 officers show up an haul him away.

It also ties into the story concerned retired and active duty peace officers looking to see the end of unconstitutional public health orders. A lot of good cops even see this as ridiculous and abusive use of their powers. They don't like what we see with what happen in their Police services.

see: https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...Guard-for-Thee

As seen by some of the response on here to this story, it's apparent that some folks see nothing wrong with how the police are conducting themselves. Some have have even used 'victim blaming ' because she provoked the assault by wearing a sign protesting of all things "'If you don't know your rights, you don't have any. Magna Carta.'..The irony doesn't escape notice.

When a lady out walking with her kid in a quiet neighbourhood can be assaulted by a gang of Police, have her child ripped from her arms and tossed in a van for the crime of 'not social distancing' there is something really wrong with what society has become.

But like you said it's half way around the world, so not our problem. They probably said the same thing watching the BBQ guy get hauled away and thought they how lucky they were that it wasn't happening there.

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"Halfway around the world and not our problem" is what people were saying when they first implemented lockdowns in Italy last year.

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Not to sound like a AH but who really cares I know I most certainly don't it's Australia a country half way around the globe. We need to take care of our own problems in our back yard first like silly socks and the covid situation here. Cheers.

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On one hand you are right but if we twist this picture a little. Let's say you are married and vacationing around my area and a group of goons attacks your wife for doing nothing wrong. You're not from here, not my problem however you can bet your socks I'm not going to stand around and watch a gang of skinheads beat on your old lady. Unless of course thats your thing.... in which case....

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Few things.

Tigbiy, with other topics I’d agree. For example, it bothers me, that so many Cdns are so wrapped up in Trump. But say little to nothing about our clown and problems in our own backyard.

This speaks to the Public Trust. And what happens when the public loses trust in those who have power over them. The lockdowns, “police state” are a global thing.

People are both growing fatigued and frustrated. Which of those a person likely feels depends on their income this year. Some are taking massive hits, while other are just growing fatigued. Listening to Ford say “ people are sacrificing” the other day. I wanted to punch him face. No they aren’t, just some are.

Both spell, potential trouble. And we are starting to see signs here. Be it protest in Que,,or BBQ owners.

The world has gone bat ship crazy. Few things make sense/add up. Be it the level of restrictions weighed against the cost of Covid, or the level of police response.

Will it get worse before it gets better? Hard to say, but if we look at these events, which are not isolated and are occurring in many countries, especially just south of us ( threats of armed insurrection now). Ill winds are blowing. And the end isn’t in sight

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Its a story that reflects how the enforcement of the unconstitutional Pandemic laws by the Police have turned them into Goon Squads around the world. It's turned even our own cities into police states. Look at the fella in Toronto with the BBQ shack. Horse back Police and about 20 officers show up an haul him away.

It also ties into the story concerned retired and active duty peace officers looking to see the end of unconstitutional public health orders. A lot of good cops even see this as ridiculous and abusive use of their powers. They don't like what we see with what happen in their Police services.

see: https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...Guard-for-Thee

As seen by some of the response on here to this story, it's apparent that some folks see nothing wrong with how the police are conducting themselves. Some have have even used 'victim blaming ' because she provoked the assault by wearing a sign protesting of all things "'If you don't know your rights, you don't have any. Magna Carta.'..The irony doesn't escape notice.

When a lady out walking with her kid in a quiet neighbourhood can be assaulted by a gang of Police, have her child ripped from her arms and tossed in a van for the crime of 'not social distancing' there is something really wrong with what society has become.

But like you said it's half way around the world, so not our problem. They probably said the same thing watching the BBQ guy get hauled away and thought they how lucky they were that it wasn't happening there.

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I agree for the most part. I believe there is a lot of government over reach. I believe most if not all of these covid charges will not survive a court challenge. I also side with the Leo’s that have brought the unconstitutionality of what’s taking place, to public attention. I don’t, for one minute believe this video is a total representation of what happened. My point all along is that people are too quick to judge and condemn the actions of the police, based on a partial video of an occurrence, when they have no idea of what actually occurred. These cell phone videos never represent the entire story, ever !

Like the kid here in the gta ,he called the cops a pig then wondering why they roughed him up and charged him He committed suicide shorty after . Sad really this covid lockdown is hard on the younger ones for sure.

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Let’s stay free.
If you like your oppression move to China.

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Like the kid here in the gta ,he called the cops a pig then wondering why they roughed him up and charged him He committed suicide shorty after . Sad really this covid lockdown is hard on the younger ones for sure.

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I haven't fact checked what follows, it's just heresay per se. I'm sure if someone is inclined they can check it.

Suicide rates amongst teens are heading down. Makes sense ( which is why I haven't checked). They are spending more time at home with family, less in school and in environment's that trigger anxiety and depression. Suicide rates amongst adults, especially middle aged men ( cough working years cough) are spiking large. Makes sense, some are under mountains of anxiety, both financial and other, one's sense of "worth". Working contributes significantly to a persons sense of purpose, self and well being. A good friend has lost two brother in laws in 2020. One to Covid, one to suicide..

Those are different topics though :). Although, we could be forgiven for thinking leo is going to start being called to more and more domestics, more and more incidents where they are dealing with frustrated, despondent people. And their responsibility to de-escalate is going to be tested.

Now, no-one know just yet, why this man went off the rails. Nasty divorce? Feeling down after losing a job, mountains of stress. Who knows....
SIU says it still hasn't determined how baby died in police shooting near Lindsay, Ont. | CBC News

Annnnnnnddd…….I am not surprised. Hockey player in AB, Family in Gatineau, the violation of civil rights keep piling...and people are cheering the death of freedoms and democracy.

Think back to the spring. I want to say March, it might have been early April.

Many here, and "out there" were commenting on China's draconian measures. All kinds of "comments". One being, leo/officials going into people's houses and forcefully removing people with Covid.

/points to the arrest in Quebec.

Either people take COVID seriously or they don't. If they don't they accept the consequences of violating the current laws temporarily restricting their movement and activities. If they die an horrific death hooked up to a ventilator it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The problem is someone else might face the same fate through no fault of their own.

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Either people take COVID seriously or they don't. If they don't they accept the consequences of violating the current laws temporarily restricting their movement and activities. If they die an horrific death hooked up to a ventilator it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The problem is someone else might face the same fate through no fault of their own.

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Like the poor politicians, doctors and police that decided their right to a vacation trumped societies collective good?

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Wow, I am surprised that so many people have such a low opinion of police officers. Some people seem to suggest that the police were just walking around looking for a woman to beat up on. I think it is more likely that it wasn't her use of the loophole that got her thrown in the back of the van, but what she did after she was approached by the police. As someone pointed out, probably refused to identify herself, and resisted arrest. Unfortunately, if there was some sort of law in place at the time (like a curfew) that gave police just cause to question her, like it or not, she has to identify herself.

If you don't agree with a law, go ahead and protest, but recognize that things could get ugly, especially if you plan to be uncooperative when confronted by police. For your child's sake, leave them at home.

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Are you a cop??

First of all, you are making A LOT of assortations there, with NO evidence ... what exactly did you see in the video that suggests see did something unlawful, other than to assume what transpired?

I am not against cops, in fact, one of my best friends is a cop ... and I support the ones that aren't power tripping ALL DAY LONG.
What actually pisses me off the most about power tripping cops, is it ruins the reputation of the good cops, my buddies!

If you're going to sit here and tell me that power tripping cops isn't a problem right now ... time for you to start waking up and realizing the truth!
It is a MAJOR problem ... you see some cops think they are above the law ... they become comfortable with their positions, and then think it's okay to do whatever you want to get your objective done. Sometimes, that objective is criminal, but in most cases, that objective is to charge someone, and let's ask ourselves ... is it okay for a cop to break the law, just so they can charge someone that is breaking the law?? NOPE.

In any event, what gives a cop the right to demand ID? Must there be no basis ... can they just come up to anyone and start harassing them for ID?? Sounds like a police state to me, if that is allowed to happen! Then throw away your rights ...

Like the poor politicians, doctors and more including most of those that are in favour of restrictions.

Decided some people should sacrifice, but they shouldn't. Nope not them, they want other people to pay the prices.....Me, I take Covid seriously, very. That doesn't mean I agree with the way we are handling it, the way we are intentionally killing others, and not stepping up.

Me, I can count on one hand the number of people I've seen in public without mask since July. And with respect to those taking massive financial hits for everyone else's well being and getting little but virtue signaling in return. I sincerely doubt, seriously sincerely doubt they are the one's flouting SD, taking risk. That group, more than any other group wants this over....And while there are always the fringe elements on both sides. This latter group, more and more and more, are the people "protesting".

So who is the problem.
Not hard to figure out

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Well, I was not there, neither was anyone here. We only get to see a very short video of the attempt to arrest a person. The fact that there were as many officers present, makes me believe there was much more going on there, to illicit such a police response. I agree, she was a lady with her child. Perhaps that fact should have played a part in her decisions to conduct herself in such a manner as to cause such a police response.
A normal thinking individual would not put themselves in such a position when their child was present !!??

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We'll see what comes out of this ... my gut says the police are going to get hit over the head for that one.
Let's assume for a second, she just irritated that female captain, and she went on a power trip ... let's give the woman with child the benefit of the doubt for a second ... would you not act that way, if you felt the police were violating your rights?

You know ... I was visiting New York City with my wife ... and two d-head cops were standing there while we waited for a traffic cross walk to go green. They were openly making sexual comments about my wife ... clear to hear, we were both shocked ... I didn't react because I knew it wouldn't end well for me ... but do you know how violated and powerless we felt ... COPS doing that??? So this happens, it happens EVERY day ... it's a big problem ... and it's only the 1% or 2% ... the other 98% of the cops must suffer because of all those d-heads. And so, must we not applaud the ones that have the guts to stand up to that disgusting behavior?

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Why does anyone care what happens in Australia? Thousands of miles away, different country, different laws. Let us know when you get video of it happening in Ontario from a legitimate news outlet.

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Well it seems our neighbors, Quebec, might be dealing with similar issues ... should we say, "Coming soon to Ontario"? LOL.

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Either people take COVID seriously or they don't. If they don't they accept the consequences of violating the current laws temporarily restricting their movement and activities. If they die an horrific death hooked up to a ventilator it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The problem is someone else might face the same fate through no fault of their own.

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Do you know one thing they ARE doing right in Australia? The government publishes detailed information on exactly how COVID transmission is occurring (shops, restaurants, family gatherings, etc) ... and they have flexible shut downs to deal with it where there is a problem ... NOT mass shut down and kill the economy, and drive suicides up like crazy! I'd like to know, where are the majority of these 3000 cases a day coming from? Is it the family meetings during Christmas? Is it at work? Is it at Walmart with the other 500 people fighting over the last roll of toilet paper? Where?? And once we know where ... should we not amend policy to stop that particular mechanism?

Fighting COVID is necessary, yes. But, there's a right way and a wrong way. Do you think a complete lock down of some small town in Northern Ontario that has zero covid cases is going to do anything?

MarkB, it makes me laugh ( not).

If we actually wanted to try and get ahead of this. We would be trying different things, as well as looking at countries where they do seem to be getting a handle. Australia is one good example. They are doing things somewhat surgically. That would mean Ford would need to find his cohonnes and backbone. Piss off the GTA and larger cities. Crack down on 'them'. It would also mean people in public service taking large pay cuts to save a few dollars, as well as stiff fines or taxes. Have we not used RIDE for 40 years to deter drinking/driving? At the simplest, how much faster might we be rolling out vaccines.....

But we all know why he hasn't. Him crying about for airports is a joke. While he's "right"..........

I call that freedom of choice - free of government regulation and draconian measures. So be it. Who are you to determine my personal risk issues. Please Sir - may I have another bowl of soup....

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Either people take COVID seriously or they don't. If they don't they accept the consequences of violating the current laws temporarily restricting their movement and activities. If they die an horrific death hooked up to a ventilator it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The problem is someone else might face the same fate through no fault of their own.

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Either people take COVID seriously or they don't. If they don't they accept the consequences of violating the current laws temporarily restricting their movement and activities. If they die an horrific death hooked up to a ventilator it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The problem is someone else might face the same fate through no fault of their own.

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Yeah you can be 50 50 on the issue .

I have to keep covid off the property yet the only thing I have done is stop having big dinners with friends and families. Yet I have not wore a mask unless told otherwise . I go out all the time had thanks giving dinner out, went out on Halloween go to store all the time. Worked, have been to hundreds of houses with no mask on during the summer. My kids enjoyed the summer with their friends . Have been to 2 funeral since November (not covid related).

I guess if it's as bad as they say I should of gotten covid 19 already.


Life still goes on, you just need to use common sense .

I am not going out to party's nor are we just going visiting for no reason. Yes alot has changed but you can still move forward with common sense.

But hey keep staying home if you want .

Keep up the good work

I will keep up what I am doing so far, one forum member thought I would be the first to spread it by going to Michael's lol. Guess maybe I might of been one of first back last December if I had it.

Why is it we are shutting down more serious issues than covid. 400 people out of 14 million are on ICU in Ontario. It's not my problem the government didn't prepare for a second wave .

They didn't care about about the preparation of the second wave to fit their agenda. Only one way to carry it out and they are doing a great job at it.

So far covid killed less than the regular flu would of and that's with them adding additional death's. Sad really .

If doctors , health care providers and our government is still going on vacation what does that tell you? They know they know the risk ,they also know more than the public . But hey they are still traveling what is they know that we don't know.

When our public health officials say they only say what they are told to say ?
Well guess what they should be saying what needs to be said is a medical prospective .
Not what they are told to say. They are the ones we should be listening to. But how can you?

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Like the poor politicians, doctors and police that decided their right to a vacation trumped societies collective good?

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And they have paid a price for their poor decisions. Lost positions, lost jobs, public criticism and limited future prospects. Well deserved in all cases.

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And they have paid a price for their poor decisions. Lost positions, lost jobs, public criticism and limited future prospects. Well deserved in all cases.

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Yep.....one of them is getting over $1MM in payout.....he is definitely paying the price.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...hute-1.5868575

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Yep.....one of them is getting over $1MM in payout.....he is definitely paying the price.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...hute-1.5868575

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And a London doctor too 600 thousand lol.



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And they have paid a price for their poor decisions. Lost positions, lost jobs, public criticism and limited future prospects. Well deserved in all cases.

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Only the ones that got caught ... Trudeau didn't get caught ...

A few tone deaf ones.
The rest.............................................. .....................................Who really aren't sacrificing squat? Please :)

Interestingly, I shared an article on FB this morning which I'll copy here now. I prefaced my post with respect to a big chunk of society not paying any prices, and staying mum about stuff, notably some of the stuff in the article. But a few people that fly south? They lose their shyte over. Where's the perspective?

One persons comment

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They're mum so they're not targeted.
I don't know a single person calling for maintained lockdown who isn't supported by someone else in some capacity (bread-winning spouse, taxpayers thru CERB or protected public sector contracts, pensions, etc).And all those people don't want to have their support stripped in order to actually "be in this together".

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The article
https://financialpost.com/opinion/gw...box=1610450509

I wonder, how of these goons who arguably have no empathy, no consideration for what things are doing to lowly masses they are stomping over. Have lost a single penny or night sleep?

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Only the ones that got caught ... Trudeau didn't get caught ...

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It will eventually come out. His deceit will eventually leak out like a bad fart at a dinner party - sorry about the optics but it seemed fitting.

time will tell how things play out.

Just another aspect that is certain to play into things. While it's good on one hand, what about the people that are under water or barely holding on? Personally, I suspect we are going to start seeing more "incidents". And with respect to this article. Notice the 'tone". Hey, isnt it fantastic 75% are banking all kinds.
Canadian Households Focus on Repairing Finances, Not Spending - Bloomberg

the other 25%-30%?
invisible, who cares.
Until they storm Queens Park and LEO are called in to quell the rebellion.

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Yep.....one of them is getting over $1MM in payout.....he is definitely paying the price.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...hute-1.5868575

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That money was paid because it as part of his employment agreement and the Board knew about his high-flying behavior. Dismissal with cause would probably not withstand a court challenge. IMO, the Board should have let him take it to court but hospital boards are notoriously weak.