They have no idea what they are doing. There is nothing science related about anything COVID.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/h...s-britain.html
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They have no idea what they are doing. There is nothing science related about anything COVID.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/h...s-britain.html
"Some animals or people who received the vaccine and were later exposed to the virus developed more severe disease than those who had not been vaccinated (1). The vaccine-primed immune system, in certain cases, seemed to launch a shoddy response to the natural infection. “That is something we want to avoid,” says Kanta Subbarao, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza in Melbourne, Australia."
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/15/8218
Even in Canada they are messing around with the second dose .
7 long term residents are sick in a home in Quebec after taking the first dose .
This 2 part dose said it always failed because of this problem getting back on time for the second dose can be tricky . It was mentioned months ago .
Seems like they will have to plan this in with their injection planning.
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/s...ters-1.5265389
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There seems to be a plethora of articles,lately,promoted by the "antivaxxers" that we should really take with a huge grain of salt.
An entire news article about nothing... It does contain the paragraph:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
"The outbreak doesn't suggest anything new about the vaccine—it was already clear it doesn't give full protection with a single dose, nor right away—but it is highlighting worries in Quebec, where people are already on edge about the province’s “off-label” vaccination campaign and the contradictory information around it."
With only 80% efficacy after one dose, this is expected.
The article also notes:
"The seven new cases add urgency to the families’ worries, Shanks said, despite the fact that the cases were “not surprising,” she said.
“There have always been active cases and staff cases [at Maimonides],” she said. “There was never a belief that there would be no new cases… COVID was circulating in the building.”
It is your body and your choice to make an informed decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Some vaccines and drugs are good.........others, not so much especially when rushed to market without proper testing under the guise "Approved for Emergency distribution". When Pharma eliminates safety protocols you become the Guinea pig.
It was towards how Quebec was going to delay the second dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Quebec took the road to inject everyone with a first dose and delay the second.
Now they are being threaten with a law suit if they do not receive that second dose.
Like promised.
Why are they trying to delay the second dose ? What happens and there is a mess up and can't get the second dose ?
That's what I was referring to that's the problem with a second dose yet they want to delay it.
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Was posted last week Quebec wont receive second shot on time.
They put all the eggs in the first shot . What happens if there is a mess up and the second dose is late ? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...lays-1.5861194
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Again I wasn't talking the out breakQuote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
First line said Even Canada is messing around with the second dose.
Then I commented on the residents .
Then I proceeded to comment on how this 2 part vaccine always failed because of the second dose timing.
Example . Quebec thought it would be better to delay the second shot to give out more of the first dose. Bad idea that is even the vaccine company said it was a bad idea.
Hence why I said they need to plan this second dose in with their injection plan.
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We live in a society where we have been trained, due to bombardment of information, to move too fast for science to keep up.
Society are starting to believe it is acceptable to curtail or outright ignore science, simply in order to have things faster and cheaper.
The ones who benefit financially from this, can also rely on this very issue, to ensure nothing can be proven against them ... it is almost
impossible to link a disease that occurs years later to a particular event ... unless there is tonnes of science behind the study ... and even then ...
God help us.
Speaking of science
Seems like there is are a bunch of new variant strains .
A Brazilian variant
The UK variant
An African variant.
Wonder when we get one lol.
Ps the science is bull crap. The science says travel is a problem that's how it spreads .
Well why have 1500 flights left to go visit a sunny beach destination since October. ?
Seems like we have ignored the science all along .
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This has been brought up a few times, there are currently atleast 8 variants being tracked.
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global
It is possible to catch it twice.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...ch-covid-twice
The fact you CAN catch it twice bodes badly for the effectiveness and duration of any vaccine and this one has had no significant testing of any real duration. In the past vaccines have been shown to actually make 2nd occurrences much worse and been pulled so let's hope they did better this time... but we may not know that for 2 or 3 years.
The general trend of new cases is down and the deaths usually lag a week or two behind are still on the increase, so hopefully that will sharply drop as the vulnerable get the vaccine.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/canada/
Yesterday is the 1st anniversary of the WHO saying there is no evidence the Wuhan Pneumonia was person to person transmittable.... even though the evidence was long out there. As I write this the WHO investigative team has finally got approval to go investigate and is sitting in quarantine in China for another week (total 14 days before they can get out). So at this point it would seem the WHO conclusion will be what China tells them to say.
Some of our health officials are useless too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVC...ature=emb_logo
and we see socialistic Communist worshipping ideologues that want to exploit this "chance"/"opportunity"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE77utcasb8
and our airports... US, France, UK, China.... still arriving in Toronto.
https://www.torontoairport.com/pearson-arrivals
Oops
Looks like I said could happen.
Oh my the vaccine will be in short supply.
Guess most of the ones that didn't follow instructions and gave more people the vaccine instead of instead of saving them for their second dose could be in craps creek lol.
It's better to inject more so it can be done faster but wait a minute when will they get a second dose ?
On time . Weeks after they are expected to get it . Will it even work if waiting to long ?
Did we just put all our egg's in 1 basket and break an egg?
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/pfizer-r...sues-1.1549123
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Speaking of eggs I dropped a dozen on the concert and only cracked 1 a few days ago .
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WOW! Not sure how you jumped to that conclusion but it sure wasn't based on reading that article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
You want to talk about coding of COVID deaths? Lack of science behind the mask mandate? Lack of science behind the effectiveness of lockdowns? Now they are mixing and matching vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanO
The governments and the medical communities advising them are not following or using any proper scientific means or methods. They play fast a loose with the truth as it suits their needs.
Well masks have accurately been shown to protect those around the wearer for a long time. I had some N95 masks I used about a year ago because I wanted to protect myself, they work good for that BUT usually have an exhale vent so there is no protection for those around the wearer. They are meant to protect the wearer in contaminated environments and if the environment is dust etc. contaminated no need to filter the exhale. People didn't and many still don't understand the types and uses.
About 14 months ago though wearing a mask into a store or bank would have brought the SWAT team out, the only take away from this I hope is that people will start to act like Japan and if they do have to go out and feel sick they wear a cheap protect THEM mask. The distancing and isolation are big factors but masks are also probably responsible for a significant impact in reducing the flu and cold etc. numbers that have been reported.
There is a difference between a properly fitted and properly disposed of N95 and a bandana pulled up over someone's face that goes in and out of their pocket.
Again now the government of Ontario wants to wait 50days instead of the 21 day recommendation period.
Probably brought on by his health officials I wouldn't put it past them now .
https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/ont...ages-1.5268930
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Yep, the vapour breathed out from the N95s I had did no filtering (exhale vented, many are), a bandana perhaps filtered 30% (guess) or more of the exhaled vapour.... and if you are out fox hunting on a cold day 90% because if you have ever breathed through a scarf it will freeze to your glasses, scarf, moustache/beard https://fiveablog.files.wordpress.co...vered-face.jpg :moose::moose:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
and in the news we won't see on CBC...
15 days after they declared victory ..... they start building 3,000 isolation centres, WHO doing research from hotel....
https://www.facebook.com/45136900840...11391776636848
"China seems to be back to square 1" Wuhan shutdown. 22 Million in current lockdown
https://www.facebook.com/45136900840...21315698514898
China's fudged numbers on cases.... right before Chinese New Year where millions travel.
https://www.facebook.com/45136900840...48112206365577
UK puts ban on travel from South America over new variation because more contagious than UK... UK is way more than regular Wuhan Pneumonia ....
https://www.facebook.com/45136900840...26719851506347
Yep they have already poured the concrete in northern part of China to build new covid centers. Something that should of been done here long ago . Like 10 months ago when the USA did it lol.
But what will Canada do ? There might be a covid camp here but it's not in a place that's it needs to be lol
What is this for ?
https://youtu.be/86TR2ryhhgY
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They should have set up dedicated hospitals (converted warehouse/schools/offices), airport screening and probably many other things that they didn't and still haven't done. They seem more interested in the opportunity instead of the illness and victims.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
What is that for? .... I can only think of two reasons, they anticipated a huge disaster in the north ....
OR a place far away from everyone else if Covid-21? from the new variations is even worse! They say COVID-19 is worse than the flu and COVID-19UK is even worse and COVID-19 South Africa and COVID-19 Brazil are worse and even more worser... so the next variation will it be super transmittable but less lethal? slightly more transmittable but much more lethal? who knows??
Both those supposed that they put some thought into it, my bet, they just spent money so they could say they did something.
I will definitely agree there is some pseudo science going on. I put it down to desperate measures for desperate times. I don't read anything sinister into the changing policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
Well as it turns out "they own the science" and that should be known as Google and and other platforms already have.
The people who have the agenda own the science the ones putting in policies own the science and will dictate the process.
There is no debate about this, what they say is the only way.
After realizing this it just makes sense to why the mandates happened so quickly without having providing any evidence.
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.......and as it turns out,every last bit of the "science",all the mandates and lockdowns were and still are flat out BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
What went on during covid was NOT science and was unforgivable in today's information age. Almost like the catholic dictates over the last 2000 years - well up to 1950.
When science refuses to allow itself to be questioned, it's not science you are dealing with. Covid made this pretty clear.
Science is all about questioning and proving.
Lets not confuse science with politics or you may get medical advice from a leader of the free world telling you to flush out your body with bleach.
Thank you LP, that just brightened my morning. LmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by longpointer
Fish food for leader of the free world.
Thanks but no thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
We need a president not anymore crime minsters with parties that will never be elected. We need leadership that is with the people not big tech. I see history repeating itself but with big businesses not just rich friends. We are close to 200 year's when Canadian rebellions formed as governments overstepped but instead of rich friends it's rich businesses. What's the difference? Who's back do they really have? Look no further than Ukraine what a joke.
When our government sits on a board that predicts we will own nothing and be happy and will rent everything , that isn't a good partnership for its people . Should we just brush this aside as all the other predictions are happening as we speak. Are they even predictions or just what's being worked on ? It's pretty obvious.
When they are all buying realestate eventually they will own everything. They own almost most of London Ontario it isn't a conspiracy it's a reality.
What don't they have covered?
The freshwater, big tech, big pharma, the university's the storage facility's, big businesses, big strips of Toronto and other city blocks world wide.. The farms ,lavish resorts hotels, housing, apartment blocks entire neighborhoods. "They own the science"
That's pretty scary. The list is endless.
Why are there still Chinese police stations in Canada.
We need leadership that takes responsibility for its actions. How many scandals will we watch and ignore.
We need someone to stand for the people not world puppets. I could go on for hours so I will stop here lol.
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I get a physical every year done by an internist - he recommended that I get a booster shot - I did get the Johnson shot well over a year ago but decided not to get anymore shots - first of all I'm retired and don't have to contact a lot of people - I stay away from crowds - I watched Tucker Carlton interview the person who is responsible for the development of this new type of vaccine - he said that he would NOT get the vaccine because there were too many unknowns concerning it's short and long term effects - my sister got the vaccine and right after getting a booster she got really sick - real bad sore throat for a week - she says she should not have gotten the booster shot - so am I taking a change of getting Covid and getting real sick or maybe even dying - maybe but at 90 years old I ain't worrying about it - my bags are packed
The sad part is look what's happening still. The same group of people is using it well beyond just the covid narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
They own the science they literally used climate change as an example. Hence why they put the un links on top . So what else do they control? At the current moment I don't trust any of them nor our own government's.
If Canada has partnered with the science witch they have its plastered all over the government sites. Where are we heading ? Ban free speech? Ban questioning?
What's changed between covid, climate change, world issues, world agreements where does that put the voice of those who do not control the science? Silence those that question and call them a nut job. It's what they are good at.
It's all bs and it's all being manipulated by un elected powers.
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you are 100% correctQuote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
it's in our nature to question what we feel isn't correct even if we are not right in our assumptions. this is the fundamental skill that has allowed humans to evolve over 1000's of years. to discourage this in humans is basically taking away our survival skills and turning us into dependents