O- the tool . is going to remove Sloan from caucus. Is it justified?
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O- the tool . is going to remove Sloan from caucus. Is it justified?
If you have the right to vote you have the right to donate lol.
Just my opinion .
It is what it is
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From what I see, not for the reason given anyway.
The Party accepted an individual as a card carrying voting member after he was vetted, and he did vote in the leadership race last year. Supposedly, he voted for Duncan as his leadership choice, but that I hear only second-hand. Sloan accepted a donation from that member back in August of last year, of which 10% of the total was gladly accepted by The Party for their own federal coffers.
It is well known there has been a falling out between The Party and Sloan for well over a year, so if they want to boot him they will. This however cannot be justified as the right reason to remove him, IMHO.
John
I agree with that synopsis. I guess they are trying to remove the rot, before it spreads and costs them at the poles.
the rot hasnt affected the liberals at the polls in any way...by this logic maybe the Cons should add to the rot and corruption if they want to win an election and beat Mr drink box water bottles sorta thing silly socks anytime soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Off topic. We were talking about Sloan. Why no comment on the subject at hand? Somehow , some way, it must always be turned around to critique the libs.
O'toole will be better than PM Justlied silly socks but duh'Toole is just letting the media lead him around like a dumb puppy again. Say and do what will make them happy, he knows he can't beat them without alot of effort and the media.. well I wouldn't be surprised if they had other real conservatives they want to remove too.Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
In the Liberal camp, interfere with the A.G. and RCMP... just resign for a month and get hired back (Butts),
huge ethical scandal, just resign and we will find you a job in the UN (Morneau)
get caught and found guilty 5 times (also blocking other investigations) and you can still not answer questions and show of silly socks. (Justlied Trudeau)...
I wonder how many ANTIFA, Communists, convicted terrorists, ISIL members etc. contributed to the Liberal's ... oh wait, the media doesn't want to talk about that. Alghabra has made pro terrorist (anti-Semitic groups) statements etc and they have him as an MP. The Conservatives are held to a different standard by far, the Liberals seem to be expected to be corrupt and have people under criminal investigation run with no issues!
O'Toole is sending a member to the furnace as a message to everyone else in caucus. Racism in any form won't be tolerated.........period. That,my friends,is called l-e-a-d-e-r-s-h-i-p.
The cool aid drinkers voted to re-elect a party whose leader was under RCMP investigation for obstruction of Justice and guilty of ethics violations...now they're throwing stones..seems being a hypocrite is part and parcel of being a Liberal supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
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Originally Posted by mosquito
Justin doesn't want to talk about the money he received from the illegal casino group .
Maybe since they have been found to corrupt they can give back that money to our debt.
Or nothing about We scam why is it no other volunteers were paid before Justin Trudeau was running for pm.
It's a volunteer for a charity not a business
They should be giving money to the charity not taking hundreds of thousands dollars from it.
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Yea that issue is Kryptonite for any party...Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Example...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
https://youtu.be/4RzrHbIx36A
Yup another hijacked thread , not staying on topic. It was a simple question. Every single thread somehow gets turned into the same old , same old. Some replies don't even mention the original question.
This is a Sloan/ O'Toole thread, keep it on topic please. Deflections are for hockey, not this thread.
John
When you want to highlight the lows of the cons, expect the same in return for your federal heros.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Curious why you didn't post the same type of thread about the removal of JWR, Butts and Morneau when those events took place?
I take it accepting a 160.00 donation of 1.3 million from 1300 donations is much worse than a billion dollar sponsorship scandal or interfering in a criminal case?
Then start your own thread. Don't change the focus on, every. single. one.
Yes I think Sloan should be kicked out. You quite often see Conservatives kicking out bad blood, but not the Liberals, if Trudeau was to do the same he would have to kick himserlf out. There is no debate about that. Trudeau is a criminal that is a fact.
So for me ERIN is trying to deflect from his own misstep and his speech at Ryerson where he managed to upset the vast majority of Canadians with his remark about residential schools being set up to "educate" the aboriginal population.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Clearly Mr O'Toole is way out of step with what Canadians want to hear from a potential Prime Minister. Mucking up mud to score a few political points work's well with the BASE but not the population. If he had any political savvy he would know there has been lots of press and documentaries about the residential schools terrible abuse of the first nations people.
Mr Sloan is just another terrible example of bad judgement by the voters in my cottage area who were supportive of Trump and decided to take a sip of his cool aid.
Sloan is a homophobe, a bigot and a general all-around creep. O'Toole wants to present a credible alternative to the current government and expand his support into those areas necessary to win an election so getting rid of Sloan and is the right decision. Accepting a donation from a neo-Nazi is as good excuse as any to dump Sloan.
Yep, and pointing out the fact Duh,Toole is being ridiculous and comparing it to real corruption and unethical behaviour in other parties seems unpopular in the usual accomplices. O'Toole is just being led around and for the media to spend the effort they are in this it seems dedicated to attack Conservatives and trying to silence people they can. The hypocrisy is off the scale!Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
In this country a person has to be tried and then convicted of a criminal offence to be deemed a criminal. So no there has been no conviction and no its not a fact as its not been proven to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Times 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Same veiled Language as Kellie Leitch with her "Canadian values" a dog whistle for the deplorables.
Trudeau was being investigated by the RCMP and he shut it down that says a lot.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
Off topic, maybe you could start a new thread on this one and give specific information?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Thanks for the quote....you know you'll see again..HaHa..Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Fishermccann, what does Indian education and Donald Trump have to do with Sloan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Or is it acceptable to change the focus from the radical left and unacceptable from the right?
Don't see you complaining about trolling leftist posters changing the focus of Sloan to bash O'toole and Trump?
I can answer that read my post O'Toole is deflecting from his own mistakes. Simple that is why is connected.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
So here is a fair comment on this topic by a National Post columnist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xth8ecNdJ00
You are confusing posts, and posters, as I never mentioned that. As for other contributors... not my circus.....Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Quite the pedigree on the donator Mr Fromm, no wonder Erin is trying to put some distance from him and the party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_F...e_supremacist)
Speaking of pedigree,I've never heard Chrysta freeland come out to denounce her maternal grandfather for being a Nazi collaborator during the second world War but hey that doesn't surprise me as liberals like to keep skeletons in the closet as much as possible. I'm sure if she was asked about it would be the typical liberal response deflect and defer and in no way directly answer the question because a liberal that can give a honest answer is nearly extinct.
T304 please try to stay on topic or start your own thread.
Is this a rule you are putting forward?
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Isn't hijacking a thread not already a rule be it unwritten or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Back to Sloan....
Sloan first ran for the party in 2019. Sloan's homophobia, misogyny, bigotry and other extreme views would have been no secret nevertheless Andrew Scheer and his team let Sloan stand as a candidate. It is encouraging to have a new leader who won't tolerate Sloan or people like him.
This firing is political optics, the CPC took $13.00 from that fee, so they are just as guilty..but apparently blameless...
I have been telling you this for years - CPC/Libs are the wings of the same bird. You all have been trained to vote against something, or a pretty color. Frequently on the campaign trails, I would ask that question - great your voting XXXX - please tell me one policy of the party you are voting for...95% can't name a single policy of who they are voting for, and most just I have to rid of XXXX. Now is not the time to split the vote, vote have to stick together, maybe next time...45 yrs you have hoped/voted for promised change...
It is called identity politics for a reason - because it makes you a single issue voter, based on your demographics. Sadly, we are locked into this cycle and is exactly why O' Toole is doing this as plays to far left ideolog's and activists (two big demographics). This is the new norm and those who continued to swayed by these of actions - will continue to be swayed to vote for them.
If it was, which is isn't, he and his buddy would have been suspended years ago for repeated and multiple infractions.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
There is a rule however that one could say is in violation of rule'2:' as the intent of it by the poster was to be intentional provocative, considering the OP's well know political leanings.
just saying :)Quote:
: 2. Controversial, religious orwill be removed without warning.Quote:
political threads deemed inappropriate or needlessly provocative
Would -could,every political post be considered under that rule? From both political sides viewpoint, or just one?
Given how often some people will chirp about Harper/Cons whenever JT/Liberals do something.......................................Li ke being caught with a known terrorist while in India ( just saying). Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
It is refreshing to see someone get the boot, whether it's little more than optics ahead of a much speculated on 2021 election.
If you don't like how a thread is going you can always leave the thread. Is someone forcing you to participate?
Or have you chosen to participate.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
My gosh man. I started the thread. The question was very specific. You want to go off topic start your own thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
You've been on this forum long enough to know that when an OP launches a topic for discussion, but has no control of what gets posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
To try an control how we are allowed to respond because it's 'your' thread is a little dictatorial don't you think ??
I asked if removing Sloan was justified . Bad question?
Touché. That quote might come back to haunt you. �� . Wink intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Gord they are probably voting about now so I guess the Conservatives will provide us with that very answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
The say imitation is the greatest form of flattery...Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
And you used 'touche' wrong. Just saying.
Rebels view
https://youtu.be/gscZjSMtF3c
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Its only OK to go off topic if a Liberal does it, then it's fine.
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Originally Posted by MikePal
Good question and the answer for me is .... Yes, he was a hole in the boat, need to save the boat by repairing the leak....Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Are you going to ask the same question about MP Ramesh Sangha being dropped from Liberal caucus ??Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
X2. O'Toole is very media savvy knowing full well that allowing Sloan to stay on paints a huge target on the party as alt right KKK members. The leftist,bought-and-paid-for Liberal main stream media propaganda machine would have a hay day. This effectively takes the wind right out of their sails. Well played,Mr. O'Toole,well played.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
A media savvy political leader would never go and announce that he believed "residential schools" were set up to educate aboriginal people and were a good thing. So he has managed to shot himself in the foot and now will have to wear his remarks into the next election campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
So he has got rid of one racist and now looks like he is a racist himself, why do you guy's keep voting in a three legged donkey to run in a thorough breed race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zt1T54ptEQ
There's a classic example of giving the media ammunition to use against oneself by making a comment that could be easily misconstrued and turned against you that required a clarification which was acceptable to the Council of the Grand Chiefs and the Reconciliation Commission. That was a good lesson for all Conservatives. Unfortunately,the only person that didn't get with the program was Sloan,so,out he went.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
[QUOTE=Gilroy;1142207] he managed to upset the vast majority of Canadians with his remark about residential schools being set up to "educate" the aboriginal population.]
Unfortunately he suffered from speaking the truth, as did others if the record of the recorded history of residential schools holds any merit. Not only politicians of the time were in favor of these schools but elders and tribal chiefs also thought the schools would be good for their children as it would give them opportunities in the new emerging world. Unfortunately these schools quickly turned into sweat shops due to a lack of funding and because educators of the day knew little or cared little about native culture. Once the schools operations were handed over in their entirety to religious sects did they truly become the horror show we know of today.
So in effect, people like O'Toole are speaking accurately based on actual history while his critics are really the clueless ones.
Very well put Sawbill......the 'intent' of the intervention was valid and encouraged by one and all at the time. The problem was the execution of the program and using the Church to run it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
And Indigenous children remain left behind to this day:
It's just a topic were not allowed to speak off openly...Quote:
In Canada, 52.2% of children in foster care are Indigenous, but account for only 7.7% of the child population according to Census 2016. This means 14,970 out of 28,665 foster children in private homes under the age of 15 are Indigenous.
Results from the 2011 National Household Survey also show that 38% of Indigenous children in Canada live in poverty, compared to 7% for non-Indigenous children.
[QUOTE=sawbill;1143488]Well I must disagree the only clueless one here is O'Toole trying to score a few political points by pointing out the schools were still being opened under Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. If we go by your argument then Trudeau should get CREDIT for continuing the schools?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Sloan is a separate infesting sore for the Conservative party and is apart from the self inflicted wound O'Toole gave himself for the residential schools remark. The continual underlying theme haunting the Conservative party is one of being seen a racist or in worse case scenario's as white supremist, people VOTED FOR SLOAN.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Again,it comes back to giving the media the stick with which to beat you with. O'Toole needs ro hire me as a Press Spokesman. The lyin' SOB's wouldn't know what hit 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You were no God dammed good at getting The Donald voted back in I can just imagine the damage you would do for this poor lad. He,he..Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
[QUOTE=Gilroy;1143549]Just so we are all on the same page.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
O'Toole is clueless for trying to score points for pointing out schools were opened by PET.
JT is all that and meets that high bar for trying to score points by blaming Harper for everything, whether accurate or not..except maybe opening schools
Man, I wish we had emojis here. Different rules for different folks
/wide eyed shock
/smile
I have yet to know a politician that doesn't play those games. But for whatever reason, Liberals pharts smell like roses and they can use wedge issues, attack ads, try to score cheap political points, whatever and get passes. But when cons do it...
LOL The saving grace is that O'Toole is nothing like Trump. If I was Trump's press secretary,I'd do the same thing they did as the latest young lady,give him enough rope and let him hang himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
They'd mop the floor with you because they always get the last word and have a much larger audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I don't know about that. It's hard to fire shots when there's no ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch