Donations as a way to rip off taxpayers

Here is my thought:

Any donation(not talking small $-but BIG $)cost actually us ,taxpayers a whole bunch, and we are not even asked !

Scenario-a person donates 1,000,000 $ to a "cause'. The cause is more" political" yet it is allowed to be done,so it is not a real help to the needy.

The donator gets HUGE morale credit for it( think influence too )likely will get HUGE PR credits,and free advertisement too.
Then the donator writes off the donation ,at the end of the year.

Since the donator makes a LOT of money to be able to donate 1 mil-lets say,there is 500,000 $ back to his/her pocket AFTER taxation(by means of not paying taxes on the 1 mil revenue he/she made).

Here is the catch-since that person earned the 1 mil,then donated the 1 mil-got back 0.5 mil=there is 500,000 $ missing from the Revenue ,for the Government!

The Governement has to fill the needs due of budgeted expenses for the year!

So-indirectly,the 1 mil $ donation(again-to BS cause)will actually cost us, since us the taxpayers have to make up for the lost 0.5 mil portion.

The donator is out for 0.5 mil-but benefits hugely(to a cause not even being in the best interest of the taxpayers),yet we are on the hook for the other 0.5 mil

Thoughts?

Nonsense, the reality is that unlike gov't tax money most donations do some good far above the actual amount... money in the governments hand is wasted and studies have shown $1 has as little as $0.25 benefits where $1 to a charity or cause often allows them to provide $1.50 or more in benefits due to the volunteers and efforts of the people involved. Imagine if the gov't ran the local food banks or places like Covenant House or Scott's mission they likely wouldn't exist for one, would cost 5X or probably much more if they did and would be manned by civil servants who maybe half didn't give a sh**. That and the ones donating ARE taxpayers, so in reality a proponent of that idea is clueless of it being nothing but nonsense or b.s. out of some Liberal or Communist worshipper of big gov't and dictatorships.

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Nonsense, the reality is that unlike gov't tax money most donations do some good far above the actual amount... money in the governments hand is wasted and studies have shown $1 has as little as $0.25 benefits where $1 to a charity or cause often allows them to provide $1.50 or more in benefits due to the volunteers and efforts of the people involved. Imagine if the gov't ran the local food banks or places like Covenant House or Scott's mission they likely wouldn't exist for one, would cost 5X or probably much more if they did and would be manned by civil servants who maybe half didn't give a sh**. That and the ones donating ARE taxpayers, so in reality a proponent of that idea is clueless of it being nothing but nonsense or b.s. out of some Liberal or Communist worshipper of big gov't and dictatorships.

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Whoa-read the post before going too far with the nonsense reply.
I was talking donations not charity.

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Originally Posted by gbk

I was talking donations not charity.

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Generally donations are only made to charities that have CRA charitable status (and in recent years CRA is pretty particular about who gets and can maintain this status - shady organizations are not nearly as common as they used to be). If a donation is made to a non-charitable status organization there is zero tax benefit for the person making the donation - i.e. it has no affect on the tax they are required to pay. The other thing to know is that charity donations are not typically tax write offs - they provide tax credits. There is a big difference. A write off allows you to reduce your taxable income and has the potential to move you into a lower tax bracket (think RRSPs). A tax credit is calculated as a fixed % of the donation and applied against any tax you owe on whatever bracket you happen to be in. That rate used to be 15% on the first $200 and 29% on the remaining amount (not sure if it is still at these rates but either way this is lower than whatever tax bracket you will be in) and is independent of your tax bracket. Additionally i think there is a cap on the amount that can be used for tax credit calculation at something like 75% of your net income - this prevents someone from reducing their tax owed to zero through the use of charitable donations.

Not sure if the rules are the same for corporate or other entities as compared to an idividual

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Originally Posted by gbk

Whoa-read the post before going too far with the nonsense reply.
I was talking donations not charity.

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Well who are the donation too then?

The idea that the government is entitled to more money from Canadian taxpayers IS nonsense, Canadians are paying far more in taxes than the necessities and to say that the government should get more, especially with the irresponsible idiots running it now is beyond nonsense when you look at the realities. Even with all that they couldn't keep their promises from 2015 to 2019 and in 2020 they almost doubled the Federal debt (or maybe they did since they won't do a budget)... guess they don't balance themselves magically.

The smaller the government and the taxes the more benefit to Canadians there are by far on all levels especially in view of the level of taxation and below quote was before the carbon taxes were added and increased! I think it was Harper quoting someone that said and I paraphrase the wording that a dollar in an individual (and more so a charities) pocket can be increased and grow to become gold, a dollar in the government's pocket accomplishes much less and economically is stagnant and turns to rust.


In total, the average Canadian family spends 44.2% of its income exclusively on taxes, while their basic necessities — food, shelter, clothing, amenities, etc. — cost 36.3%.

“In 2018,” the Fraser Institute explains, “the average Canadian family earned an income of $88,865 and paid total taxes equaling $39,299 (44.2%).”

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Originally Posted by Species8472

Generally donations are only made to charities that have CRA charitable status (and in recent years CRA is pretty particular about who gets and can maintain this status - shady organizations are not nearly as common as they used to be). If a donation is made to a non-charitable status organization there is zero tax benefit for the person making the donation - i.e. it has no affect on the tax they are required to pay. The other thing to know is that charity donations are not typically tax write offs - they provide tax credits. There is a big difference. A write off allows you to reduce your taxable income and has the potential to move you into a lower tax bracket (think RRSPs). A tax credit is calculated as a fixed % of the donation and applied against any tax you owe on whatever bracket you happen to be in. That rate used to be 15% on the first $200 and 29% on the remaining amount (not sure if it is still at these rates but either way this is lower than whatever tax bracket you will be in) and is independent of your tax bracket. Additionally i think there is a cap on the amount that can be used for tax credit calculation at something like 75% of your net income - this prevents someone from reducing their tax owed to zero through the use of charitable donations.

Not sure if the rules are the same for corporate or other entities as compared to an idividual

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Thanx Species-answer fitting to the Forum. There may be things i did not see clearly,explanation is helpful.
Appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Well who are the donation too then?

The idea that the government is entitled to more money from Canadian taxpayers IS nonsense, Canadians are paying far more in taxes than the necessities and to say that the government should get more, especially with the irresponsible idiots running it now is beyond nonsense when you look at the realities. Even with all that they couldn't keep their promises from 2015 to 2019 and in 2020 they almost doubled the Federal debt (or maybe they did since they won't do a budget)... guess they don't balance themselves magically.

The smaller the government and the taxes the more benefit to Canadians there are by far on all levels especially in view of the level of taxation and below quote was before the carbon taxes were added and increased! I think it was Harper quoting someone that said and I paraphrase the wording that a dollar in an individual (and more so a charities) pocket can be increased and grow to become gold, a dollar in the government's pocket accomplishes much less and economically is stagnant and turns to rust.


In total, the average Canadian family spends 44.2% of its income exclusively on taxes, while their basic necessities — food, shelter, clothing, amenities, etc. — cost 36.3%.

“In 2018,” the Fraser Institute explains, “the average Canadian family earned an income of $88,865 and paid total taxes equaling $39,299 (44.2%).”

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Mosquito-read the original post-do not read INTO it............

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Originally Posted by gbk

Mosquito-read the original post-do not read INTO it............

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OK...

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Nonsense, The ones donating ARE taxpayers, so in reality a proponent of that idea is clueless of it being nothing but nonsense or b.s. out of some Liberal or Communist worshipper of big gov't and dictatorships.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

The idea that the government is entitled to more money from Canadian taxpayers IS nonsense, Canadians are paying far more in taxes than the necessities and to say that the government should get more, especially with the irresponsible idiots running it now is beyond nonsense when you look at the realities. Even with all that they couldn't keep their promises from 2015 to 2019 and in 2020 they almost doubled the Federal debt (or maybe they did since they won't do a budget)... guess they don't balance themselves magically.

The smaller the government and the taxes the more benefit to Canadians there are by far on all levels especially in view of the level of taxation and below quote was before the carbon taxes were added and increased! I think it was Harper quoting someone that said and I paraphrase the wording that a dollar in an individual (and more so a charities) pocket can be increased and grow to become gold, a dollar in the government's pocket accomplishes much less and economically is stagnant and turns to rust.


In total, the average Canadian family spends 44.2% of its income exclusively on taxes, while their basic necessities — food, shelter, clothing, amenities, etc. — cost 36.3%.

“In 2018,” the Fraser Institute explains, “the average Canadian family earned an income of $88,865 and paid total taxes equaling $39,299 (44.2%).”

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Your selective use of logic or lack there of it seems you either don't understand your own question and it's implications OR you don't like the reality that the government is already screwing Canadians and any way to put money to a good use instead of say funding CBC or the PM's vacations (the PM's vacation for 2019 was just reported at almost $200,000) etc. then the money is put to a much better use outside the government. Your percentages are also sh** and irrelevant to actual tax returns when you look, you ignore who the donations are to and their purpose and you seem in favour of government control and big government with more and more for them and less for the actual taxpayers. If I am wrong can you either explain it in a way that shows what your questions is like '' is the government entitled to more of our money and complete control?" or "Is the Communist absolute control the right way to go?" or some other way where what you are asking is clear then I will consider answering, otherwise...

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The concept is still Liberal thru Communist nonsense.

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Your selective use of logic or lack there of it seems you either don't understand your own question and it's implications OR you don't like the reality that the government is already screwing Canadians and any way to put money to a good use instead of say funding CBC or the PM's vacations (the PM's vacation for 2019 was just reported at almost $200,000) etc. then the money is put to a much better use outside the government. Your percentages are also sh** and irrelevant to actual tax returns when you look, you ignore who the donations are to and their purpose and you seem in favour of government control and big government with more and more for them and less for the actual taxpayers. If I am wrong can you either explain it in a way that shows what your questions is like '' is the government entitled to more of our money and complete control?" or "Is the Communist absolute control the right way to go?" or some other way where what you are asking is clear then I will consider answering, otherwise...

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Dont bother my friend wasting my time anymore-your reply is an archetype of feedbacks this forum is dying from.

Just read your replies-after reading mine. Then You realize that the ante communist and anti government fog makes you see -Nothing.
Then makes you spend huge time on empty rant and missing the target -for a mile.
Just so you can sleep better- i am not sure where you are taking from that my post supports the government-takes from the poor and supports liberals and-God forbidden-is communist? None of them jumps from my text.

The fog........

And-just so you know,i came from a former communist country-which gave me some experience to know them.Be assured-never had/have any sympathy for them,
Perhaps contrary to you-who hates them because of Hollywood-Newspapers-Books and hearsay.

Sleep well

I see nothing wrong with mosq post same with species

In the governments hands it will be more wasteful and useless to us. It always cost the government more to get things done just like our insurance company's .what would cost us 500 thousand now cost the government 700 thousand or more. When people work for the government it lines their own pockets and steals from the poorest paying the takes.

Just like our insurance company they get screwed every Day and because of it the insurance company paying they will pay more . So now we have to pay more .

It's more like what was said every dollar they have in worth way less in the government hands. So in theory your donation is working more saving tax payers money lol.


Government get screwed all the time paying more it's very wasteful if you ask me.


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GBK.. well said. I feel that some on here ,think about politics 99% of the time they are awake. Such a waste.

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GBK.. well said. I feel that some on here ,think about politics 99% of the time they are awake. Such a waste.

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Come on who are you kidding ....lets take a look at the pot calling the kettle black:

Your History on the forum in the past two yrs...

Since 2018 you have started 20 threats...

14 of the are in the Federal Provincial Politics
4 in Off Topics
I in Fishing you made this week

You contribute almost nothing to the forum outside the Off Topic Forum and 75% are in the Federal Provincial Politics category.

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Nonsense, the reality is that unlike gov't tax money most donations do some good far above the actual amount... money in the governments hand is wasted and studies have shown $1 has as little as $0.25 benefits where $1 to a charity or cause often allows them to provide $1.50 or more in benefits due to the volunteers and efforts of the people involved. Imagine if the gov't ran the local food banks or places like Covenant House or Scott's mission they likely wouldn't exist for one, would cost 5X or probably much more if they did and would be manned by civil servants who maybe half didn't give a sh**. That and the ones donating ARE taxpayers, so in reality a proponent of that idea is clueless of it being nothing but nonsense or b.s. out of some Liberal or Communist worshipper of big gov't and dictatorships.

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I can see your point clearly and what your trying to say but it is a little off the OP and where it was going.

That being said I would just like to say some of these charities we donate out money to do a lot of good. The Scott Mission I have a very long association with going back for at least 40 years and I know the family that run's it. Very decent Christian folk's that do a whole lot of good for the newcomers to the country and people down on their luck.

I do remember about a decade ago they started getting funding from the City of Toronto for the out of the cold program but within a few weeks the City was dictating how they should run the whole show and they reverted back to their own well run plan without their funding.

MP.. But I do not switch all the other numerous threads that I do read into a political debate. That IS the point. I read almost all threads, fishing, hunting , photos, etc. Does that mean I must comment on them all? With things like ' nice fish, good shot'. If I posted something about my Muskie fishing exploits, someone would ask, and then condemn me, if the lure was not made in Canada, and I just can't be bothered. You went back three years to check what I have posted. That is just so sad. and says a lot.

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Come on who are you kidding ....lets take a look at the pot calling the kettle black:

Your History on the forum in the past two yrs...

Since 2018 you have started 20 threats...

14 of the are in the Federal Provincial Politics
4 in Off Topics
I in Fishing you made this week

You contribute almost nothing to the forum outside the Off Topic Forum and 75% are in the Federal Provincial Politics category.

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There are probably at least 6 other regular posters on here that basically only post on the off topic and political thread's, why are you highlighting one over the other?

If a poster only want's to post on those sections why would anyone care.

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MP.. But I do not switch all the other numerous threads that I do read into a political debate. That IS the point. I read almost all threads, fishing, hunting , photos, etc. does that mean I must comment on them all? With things like ' nice fish, good shot'. You went back three years to check what I have posted. That is just so sad. and says a lot.

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I actually go back on old posts a lot, generally when one guy or another accuses a person of being a "troll" and go figure they have a whole bunch of posts calling other folk's trolls and that is the main content of their posts. LOL

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There are probably at least 6 other regular posters on here that basically only post on the off topic and political thread's, why are you highlighting one over the other?

If a poster only want's to post on those sections why would anyone care.

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Why, because you had better be part of the 'crew', or your participation is scrutinized and your made to feel verboten.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

If a poster only want's to post on those sections why would anyone care.

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Speak to your alter ego..he was the one being a hypocrite

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I feel that some on here ,think about politics 99% of the time they are awake. Such a waste.

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Why, because you had better be part of the 'crew', or your participation is scrutinized and your made to feel verboten.

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Yeh, well they don't run the show, been on here longer than most and will continue.

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Speak to your alter ego..he was the one being a hypocrite

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You don't see the difference between me reading most posts from all categories and saying nothing, and someone making political commentaries on all posts, whatever section they are in?........ Making fishing spoons = a diatribe about Chinese paint?

Back to the donations as a tax benefit, I have done this for a few years now. I rarely do the store cashier ones as that gives the corporations a tax break. I have learned to do some research on admin costs for CRA approved programs as they have to do public records of their costs. Some hire professional companies to do their fund raising and end up paying OVER 50% of money taken in for administration.
I try to give to local food banks, Lionheart, Marthas Table, Partners In Mission and such. These groups use volunteers extensively and well over 90% of funds go directly to the people who need it, as food and not smokes or drugs also so the kids at home see it also.
Two of the few International funds I do support also ROCK on low admin costs, these being War Amps and Mercy Ships, again with the focus being on the kids.
I feel good giving when I can and knowing I am getting back money at tax time makes me feel good a second time.
I win, kids win, That is what we call a WIN WIN situation.
Edit CANADAHELPS is 1 of the few fundraiser groups that actually does not charge (pretty sure anyhoo) for using their service, but do ask for a donation to help.
John

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MP.. But I do not switch all the other numerous threads that I do read into a political debate. That IS the point. I read almost all threads, fishing, hunting , photos, etc. Does that mean I must comment on them all? With things like ' nice fish, good shot'. If I posted something about my Muskie fishing exploits, someone would ask, and then condemn me, if the lure was not made in Canada, and I just can't be bothered. You went back three years to check what I have posted. That is just so sad. and says a lot.

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No one will condemn you for posting musky pics lol. Post them up come on post these things that's what the board is for . Not to just bicker back and forth ,we want pics and stories. That's what we all enjoy and come here for . You good to walk ? Come for a fish? Taking my kid probably Weds be catching whitties like your perch fishing [emoji6]

I'll be posting some whitties soon, yesterday was an amazing day won't post till tomorrow though with limited ice .

Cheers .



To stay on track who should I donate to?

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I see nothing wrong with mosq post same with species

In the governments hands it will be more wasteful and useless to us. It always cost the government more to get things done just like our insurance company's .what would cost us 500 thousand now cost the government 700 thousand or more. When people work for the government it lines their own pockets and steals from the poorest paying the takes.

Just like our insurance company they get screwed every Day and because of it the insurance company paying they will pay more . So now we have to pay more .

It's more like what was said every dollar they have in worth way less in the government hands. So in theory your donation is working more saving tax payers money lol.


Government get screwed all the time paying more it's very wasteful if you ask me.


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This thread is a waste of time, can't teach an ideologue to contemplate more than what they are told by their worshipped leaders. A few years ago there are LIbErals out there that were arguing that Harper shouldn't have reduced the HST, even though he balanced the budget and the China dictatorship admirer and his minions couldn't. The Libs were upset that the government had missed out on several billion in "revenue", companies and individuals got to keep the money to use and they were upset, this is the same nonsense (polite term) and they are too mentally fixed on ideology over facts to recognize it. They think someone like Trudeau taking money FROM charities is OK, people giving and paying less taxes is wrong ... when the reality is the opposite. Government "revenue" (taxes) trumps helping in their books it seems.

I see the China/dictatorship admiring excuse makers really seem to want what China has.. ignoring the 60,000,000 dead, no real freedom off speech, over a million in reeducation camps, tens of thousands in human trafficking etc., they want the government to tell them how to think, do all the thinking for them etc.

The old you can lead a horse to water but can't make them drink is "you can lead a Liberal to facts but not make them think"

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No one will condemn you for posting musky pics lol. Post them up come on post these things that's what the board is for . Not to just bicker back and forth ,we want pics and stories. That's what we all enjoy and come here for . You good to walk ? Come for a fish? Taking my kid probably Weds be catching whitties like your perch fishing [emoji6]

I'll be posting some whitties soon, yesterday was an amazing day won't post till tomorrow though with limited ice .

Cheers .



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Given his political dedication and usual toxic reaction to my pointing out there are better quality Canadian made alternatives I actually would expect FMC to NOT have Canadian made unless it was by accident.Buying from a company that it was reported atleast 80 of the manufacturers were using forced labour he is fine, Canadian.. seems like he gets upset. He is often best just ignored since his horse won't drink

DON'T let others tell you where to put your money, there are a few good rating pages, do some looking on what fits your desires for a better world, some are like World Wildlife where the actual work if less than 5% and others exactly the opposite.

For the ones they have open mind and clear sight:

I am surprised the way my thread was taken.
Honestly.

I tried to explain that i am talking BIG donations,and for BS politcal cause.

I explained (after Mr Mosquito's unprovoked, overboard and unneeded rant) -that i was talking donations, not charities.
I do respect each and every one of you supporting good cause.I also give to charities t- small amounts.I assume ,as most of us do. I do not belie anyone here was-will ever donate 1 million to any cause :silly:(as i highlighted as a" cause" of my thread)

I have to admit- i may do not understand the difference between charitable donations -and donation to other cause.

But-i made example,clearly,that the person donates 1 million!
Hence i assumed he gets back tax credit for 0.5 million(i could be wrong with that tax credit assumption).

I also stated in the thread ,that the Government WILL make up their loss of lost revenue ,due of the donation to BS cause.Never said the Government have to make it up-i sad they will just make it up, if the money is not there .That is juts the way is-any Governemnt ,anywhere in the world.
There was ZERO insinuation that Government knows how to spend money better then Charities do. Some people just READ INTO texts,and see something ,what is not there.

The fog.

I am not sure how more i could explain my point.

Anyhow-thank You for the ones contributed to the thread.
To the one, who makes sport about poking where there is nothing to poke at:

Mosquito,let me tell You one thing: You absolutely have no obligation to read my thread(or any thread for that matter).
Therefore-there is no obligation from your end to reply..........just saying.

Oh -one more thing :if You try to promote Your cause(whatever it is) : the absolutely worst way is to cut people's throat.
Especially ,when there is no cause for cutting throats..........just saying.

But how is it shorting the government ? If the government in return gives it back or funds them instead of the citizens it would be more wasteful.

They all seem to well paid quarter plus million a year many of them in the house . Plus extra benefits plus , plus ,plus .

It's called a budget .

What needs to happen is for some of the charity's profit margin to change. like mentioned some are good some bad . Look at the WE charity for example more of a corporation where the top just rich from public funds and government grants lol. Even the big corporations getting all kinds of breaks and funding from the government when they don't need . But they will ask and take to better them.

Some are good where the money is spent others just take advantage of it . If it all went to the government they would just waste it.

Budgets can't balance themselves even with a plan.






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For the ones they have open mind and clear sight:

I am surprised the way my thread was taken.
Honestly.

I tried to explain that i am talking BIG donations,and for BS politcal cause.

I explained (after Mr Mosquito's unprovoked, overboard and unneeded rant) -that i was talking donations, not charities.
I do respect each and every one of you supporting good cause.I also give to charities t- small amounts.I assume ,as most of us do. I do not belie anyone here was-will ever donate 1 million to any cause :silly:(as i highlighted as a" cause" of my thread)

I have to admit- i may do not understand the difference between charitable donations -and donation to other cause.

But-i made example,clearly,that the person donates 1 million!
Hence i assumed he gets back tax credit for 0.5 million(i could be wrong with that tax credit assumption).

I also stated in the thread ,that the Government WILL make up their loss of lost revenue ,due of the donation to BS cause.Never said the Government have to make it up-i sad they will just make it up, if the money is not there .That is juts the way is-any Governemnt ,anywhere in the world.
There was ZERO insinuation that Government knows how to spend money better then Charities do. Some people just READ INTO texts,and see something ,what is not there.

The fog.

I am not sure how more i could explain my point.

Anyhow-thank You for the ones contributed to the thread.
To the one, who makes sport about poking where there is nothing to poke at:

Mosquito,let me tell You one thing: You absolutely have no obligation to read my thread(or any thread for that matter).
Therefore-there is no obligation from your end to reply..........just saying.

Oh -one more thing :if You try to promote Your cause(whatever it is) : the absolutely worst way is to cut people's throat.
Especially ,when there is no cause for cutting throats..........just saying.

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I am trying to point out the scope of what you wrote ... but you just can't seem to understand... I have discussed this with dedicated socialist believers several times and they just ignore reality ... for you, maybe Fog.... because you really don't even seem to have a clue in the understanding what you are asking, you don't understand the tax system, you don't understand charities work and yet parrot the nonsense (polite term actually for the idea the gov't should get more taxes) of the socialist/communist hardcore.

Here is the charities info. from the gov't perhaps you can try understanding????
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-age...x-credits.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-age...on-donors.html

Now I will write it in simple point to help you maybe understand and I will skip the benefits of charities, already covered that and you seem unable or unwilling to relate .... so let's start.

1) A donation can only reduce the tax you owe, so the person is already a taxpayer. They made a choice to donate to something, they earned that money, it is their money.

2) If you donate beyond the yearly tax amount owed you get nothing back but you can carry the donation forward to other years.

3) As of three years ago the average Canadian was, even with donation included, was paying 43% of their income in taxes, probably atleast 2 or 3% higher with Carbon tax increases. So the average person works through Winter and Spring just to fund the government, not to feed/cloth/rent/save etc for themselves, I already put links on this.

4) Donations have a RECIPIENT and donation to charities and causes generally help people or the environment or a government approved cause (eligible charities.) where there is a need. In the face of such a need a person making over $150,000 as an MP can only be categorized as a sleaze ball taking money (over $200,000) FROM charities like Trudeau has done in the past until he was caught (Not including the WE charity and the almost $500,000 they paid to his family members). They are there for a cause or purpose and need money to operate, there are lots of rules to qualify and some are removed for various causes and fraud like these two mentioned here.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3606224/g...ani-militants/
https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/10037...9/?jwsource=cl

5) Even the government sees the benefit of people donating over creating or even using their own programs and in many situations often MATCHES individual donations to a charity or cause. The donations tax credit is still the same.
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-age...emergency.html

6) Saying it is ripping off tax payers is complete... nonsense that I have heard only from the most radical leftie ideologues, they are the only ones I have ever heard come out with.... nonsense on this level! Ripping off taxpayers... ha... that is on a par with the Liberal MP's saying the HST should be left where it was or made higher (See *) for government "revenues" (taxes), it is essentially saying people aren't entitled to decide how and for what their money is used for and the government is entitled to what ever it wants... the government is their god so it's Socialism/Communism. That kind of government above all, takes all and let's you keep what it feels like policy making can be seen in the man made famines that killed tens of millions in the Ukraine and China by the Communists.

7) At this point if you haven't figured out the scale, saying it is "ripping off taxpayers" is ...I'll be polite, its nonsense...if someone still thinks that actually is ripping off taxpayers it is simple, they are ignorant of the realities, a blind hater of the charities or organizatios or an ideologue that believes in absolute power for the government. At this point the gov't. is now there for those in power and the elites and the taxpayers and the many in Canada who don't make enough to pay taxes are little more than sheep to be herded and freedoms and possession granted or taken at whim of the all powerful ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZHUhfmlzXk


Not an ambush or a rant, you just can't understand your own question, sad, so much of history is repeating itself, if the left stays in power and even if there is no election this year I wonder what will be left of Canada's future, it sure looks like a promising statue that has had some big chunks broken off and thrown into the depths. The incompetence, lies, coverups and on top of that the mega deficit and spending when you start looking make the usual robbers criminal intent look like a planted rose garden.



* if there is an election and a win I would not be surprised to see the HST tax increased saying it would mostly be paid by the wealth. NOTE the top 20% already pay OVER 70% of Canada's income taxes, so although technically true it really f**** those already living on lower incomes. Like the carbon tax hurts the below average income extremely hard!

At the risk of stepping into a minefield.

GBK is or was speaking about the “Paul McCartneys” or Pamela Anderson’s who can afford to give “PETA” a few million. So they can shut down hunting. Or shut down the Oil patch. Please note quotes. Something we know, you’ve complained about Mosquito.

At the same time, they would get a tax credit of about $330,000 or more ( and let’s not quibble over register charities) And a lot of goodwill.....or as he put it. PR

He is correct when he wonders about the $330,000 in lost tax revenue. Tax credits still REDUCE a persons taxes. Until you hit zero due.

And He isn’t talking about the average tax payer, that pays more in tax, than they spend on housing/food. We could argue until the cows come home, about how governments spend and blow tax revenue. Ontario alone ran a deficit of about 50billion this year. Our debt I’ll guess is now over 350B. Like it or not, that’s reality. What we have to deal with. No matter how we got there.

I would pray, that even the most died in the wool, far right Conservative in the province. Has learned some valuable lessons this year. Like shortages of PSWs, RNs, ICUs.

We still have to do something about Hydro. So that people less fortunate than you Mosquito, can put food on the table, pay their Hydro, and pay more than that in taxes....

And GBK is wondering about the plethora of ways, the well off and rich have at their disposal to reduce their tax loads. Unlike the peons struggling to pay Hydro, put food on their table and pay taxes....

Curious, how do you propose we balance Ontarios budget. Without raising revenue. Then fix Hydro, and maybe find some crumbs to slap a bandaid on healthcare.
?????

or are you socialist, and expect our grandchildren to pay for it?

and lastly
I could be wrong, if I am I apologize in advance GBK. I don’t think and haven’t for a long time. That English is your first language. I never understood why latitude isn’t granted here. This medium, sucks balls for communication. And people do like wee bones.

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At the risk of stepping into a minefield.

GBK is or was speaking about the “Paul McCartneys” or Pamela Anderson’s who can afford to give “PETA” a few million. So they can shut down hunting. Or shut down the Oil patch. Please note quotes. Something we know, you’ve complained about Mosquito.

At the same time, they would get a tax credit of about $330,000 or more ( and let’s not quibble over register charities) And a lot of goodwill.....or as he put it. PR

He is correct when he wonders about the $330,000 in lost tax revenue. Tax credits still REDUCE a persons taxes. Until you hit zero due.

And He isn’t talking about the average tax payer, that pays more in tax, than they spend on housing/food. We could argue until the cows come home, about how governments spend and blow tax revenue. Ontario alone ran a deficit of about 50billion this year. Our debt I’ll guess is now over 350B. Like it or not, that’s reality. What we have to deal with. No matter how we got there.



And GBK is wondering about the plethora of ways, the well off and rich have at their disposal to reduce their tax loads. Unlike the peons struggling to pay Hydro, put food on their table and pay taxes....

Curious, how do you propose we balance Ontarios budget. Without raising revenue. Then fix Hydro, and maybe find some crumbs to slap a bandaid on healthcare.
?????

or are you socialist, and expect our grandchildren to pay for it?

and lastly
I could be wrong, if I am I apologize in advance GBK. I don’t think and haven’t for a long time. That English is your first language. I never understood why latitude isn’t granted here. This medium, sucks balls for communication. And people do like wee bones.

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THAT is exactly what i was traying to say Ben!!!
Word for word! or at least :thought for thought.


Thank You for helping to clarify it!

Appreciate Your help in the language issue also.........No need to apologize!Yep,my mind may be processing things differently ,and when i am tryin to "translate"my thoughts and my own words to english,i may come across "differently" then intended.
I apologise to the ones ,who were "misled "perhaps by my thoughts.

At the other hand -there is something i can not help with: reading the text FAST,then READING INTO IT-and then coming up with major knee jerk reactions.

There- one should slowd down-ASK friendly(or at least polite)clarifying questions...especially if there is a clear willingness to clarify.


Otherwise-one by his own actions/words may become likeness and carbon copy of political groups (long gone in the past /or still active) despised by himself the most!
Not by ideas supported by him-but my methods of supporting/presenting them.

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THAT is exactly what i was traying to say Ben!!!
Word for word! or at least :thought for thought.


Thank You for helping to clarify it!

Appreciate Your help in the language issue also.........No need to apologize!Yep,my mind may be processing things differently ,and when i am tryin to "translate"my thoughts and my own words to english,i may come across "differently" then intended.
I apologise to the ones ,who were "misled "perhaps by my thoughts.

At the other hand -there is something i can not help with: reading the text FAST,then READING INTO IT-and then coming up with major knee jerk reactions.

There- one should slowd down-ASK friendly(or at least polite)clarifying questions...especially if there is a clear willingness to clarify.


Otherwise-one by his own actions/words may become likeness and carbon copy of political groups (long gone in the past /or still active) despised by himself the most!
Not by ideas supported by him-but my methods of supporting/presenting them.

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OK, that's clearer now but well it is still their money, the charities are still approved (although in those types of cases they are more political than real help) so other than the scale and the fact it is likely virtue signalling as much as tax benefit I don't see there is different. Odds are many of them actually exceeded their tax payments for the year.

I didn't understand the intent GBK had but for the average person that would sooner see Scotts Mission or Covenant House get it rather than put in the pot so the Liberal PM can take another vacation (he will anyway, 2019 vacation was around $200,000 not including security I see) or the fat cat wanting to virtue signal the basic outline is still the same.

Many of the charities I think were created just for the purpose of political interference, economic/oil interference, even funding terrorist but it is still their money, tax credit (no clue on US rules) and must be approved charity (many I would not consider real charities but da rules iz da rules ... that's why Harper put new laws in and had more accountability requirements and investigations.... all of which were cancelled as soon as the Liberals got in ... but in the end, $1,000 or $1,000,000, it is all the same.

I assumed gbk was buying into the nonsense I have seen from ideologues I have had discussions with in the past on their want to cancel the tax credit altogether (usually since they felt unearned entitlements and felt offence at those that worked hard and got ahead usually) and there were issues explaining the reality, they didn't care about the cause/charity, who was helped and even the reality or the purpose just their ignorant angry ... nonsense ... in the end I put their mental ability ... well angry and ... this image about sums them up. Attachment 41379
They generally would fit in well with the 2030 WEF idiot socialist paradise dreaming sheep, hating the innovators and hard working in an US vs THEM we see in the books I mentioned.

So sorry I lumped you in with them but the essential points are still the same, as much as I dislike alot of the virtue signaling/ political "charities" until we get someone like Harper in there that will make hard choices to achieve goals I doubt they will be affected.,Heck I expect WE will probably return to Canada under a different name possibly since the parasitic/political charities make alot of noise at elections and pay huge speaking fees / travel expenses and get their pockets filled.

Couple pieces of advice - private charities existed long before government made a tax deduction..a "tax benefit thing" Tax deductions are political tools used for votes - nothing more, nothing less. You all have been convinced it is a good thing.

I have wrote before about the massive tax write offs McD's Canada got 78 mil, for the 2019 Happy Days meals promotion event, wherein customers direct bought 25M of product in which MC took the write off for corporate earnings write down (only does shareholders good), additional 53 mil was wrote off (again corp taxable earnings) for operating the business that day. All those funds go to RMH, which has a board of governors (elites) who get paid, and the charity is another write off the Corp of MC.

As a political candidate myself I have received contributions for running a campaign or the EDA expenses, and there is almost no benefit or very little benefit to 75% tax receipt of first $400 (or $300 tax credit) which is the best tax deal.

The whole concept of corp charity is purely drivel - Bell Lets talk day - where customers donate via cell (that they charged HST on added donation on cell bill). All the money donated that day is charged back to Bell as profit write down from your money...and people fall for corp charity all the time.

50 yrs ago people donated to charities in local neighborhood, Kiwanis, Shriners, churches and local causes which are all suffering now or non existent, all those funds stayed local in your community and no tax breaks were given - just good hearted people wanting to help.

The OP is correct in Corp write offs - are a direct rape of Canadian taxpayers and we all pay as result. 100% correct, and it should be ended completely.

A local example is CHEZ 106 ran a snowsuit fund drive for 10,000 kids snow suits and you text once and $25 was added to phone bill, twice for $50 (bought a snowsuit). They achieved the goal of 10,000 suits. Mission accomplished in gaining Bell Media (the corp), with a 10,000 X $50.00 = $500,000.00 tax write off..the people got nothing. And where is the report of and list of kids who got the suits?

I have always said and personally follow this method of my charitable works (I do lots), Start with your neighbour, your street, your community - it is there if you look all around you will find poverty. Give without expectation, give what you can do in time, work and money and give often. I am not religious at all - however - if you go to your local church and ask the priest they know who needs help, same with local shelter, pet rescue, woman's ("Persons" shelter, trying to be politically correct in line with Uncle Joe) shelter.

DO NOT EVER support a corp charity, that includes MOD, United Way -

The tax credit is to encourage people who may not otherwise donate, to give a little. And in return get a little back by saving on what's owed.

I'm not a fan of "tax the rich". More often than not, it strikes me as people wanting their cake and wanting others to pay for it. Anybody but me syndrome.

That said, the well off and above have the means, and dozens of ways to reduce their tax loads, as well as shelter. While peons have neither.

Given the times, the state of things. I would not be against eliminating/ limiting/adjusting some or many. Just look at Ontario. The fiscal shape we are in, problems with Hydro, healthcare, creating jobs, and more. And these problems all existed long before 2020. And for those that might say " growth in GDP. Which is more anybody but me.....

1) how's that worked for Ontario since 2008-2010
2) Sunny days last forever.....until they don't...meaning who can promise there won't be another 2008 in the next 12 years.....

Broadly speaking, who voted for the mess.

The well off and rich. Not those that are struggling to put food on the table, pay Hydro, Carbon Taxes, other taxes and fees, and trying to find 2 nickles to save. It's past time they pay for what they wanted. Owned their choices. Tax credits, etc. Are but one way.

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Couple pieces of advice - private charities existed long before government made a tax deduction..a "tax benefit thing" Tax deductions are political tools used for votes - nothing more, nothing less. You all have been convinced it is a good thing.

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I have always said and personally follow this method of my charitable works (I do lots), Start with your neighbour, your street, your community - it is there if you look all around you will find poverty. Give without expectation, give what you can do in time, work and money and give often. I am not religious at all - however - if you go to your local church and ask the priest they know who needs help, same with local shelter, pet rescue, woman's ("Persons" shelter, trying to be politically correct in line with Uncle Joe) shelter.

DO NOT EVER support a corp charity, that includes MOD, United Way -

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Agreed, especially the last line, I am quite careful on the charities I choose and their accomplishments and more should be.

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The tax credit is to encourage people who may not otherwise donate, to give a little. And in return get a little back by saving on what's owed.

I'm not a fan of "tax the rich". More often than not, it strikes me as people wanting their cake and wanting others to pay for it. Anybody but me syndrome.

That said, the well off and above have the means, and dozens of ways to reduce their tax loads, as well as shelter. While peons have neither.

Given the times, the state of things. I would not be against eliminating/ limiting/adjusting some or many. Just look at Ontario. The fiscal shape we are in, problems with Hydro, healthcare, creating jobs, and more. And these problems all existed long before 2020. And for those that might say " growth in GDP. Which is more anybody but me.....

1) how's that worked for Ontario since 2008-2010
2) Sunny days last forever.....until they don't...meaning who can promise there won't be another 2008 in the next 12 years.....

Broadly speaking, who voted for the mess.

The well off and rich. Not those that are struggling to put food on the table, pay Hydro, Carbon Taxes, other taxes and fees, and trying to find 2 nickles to save. It's past time they pay for what they wanted. Owned their choices. Tax credits, etc. Are but one way.

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Looking at the debt at this point the amount each individual owes is probably close to what the average income is for a Canadian worker. Note though that many are below the tax limit so don't pay much or any taxes and the taxpayers is a much smaller group so the current debt when calculated against those actually working in Canada may be 3 or 4X (or more) higher than that "average" salary. So money that goes to a cause or need directly is much better use of those funds by far.

As for taxing the rich, Trudeau for example has atleast 3 numbered companies I saw reported, yet he attacks small business/farmers and those actually working... as compared to his dancing, wearing silly socks and lying. Justlied has a huge pension waiting (yes smaller since Harper made changes but still a good one) and those same business are now taxes on passive income too... what a louse!