So they caught a gun trafficker

The guy was attempting to smuggle in 249 Polymer 80 Glock kits in from the States. Anyway I started to look up some information, and crunch some numbers. The kits sets, State side cost between $150 to $170, so he would have needed seed money in the range of $40,000. Retail, the manufactured guns in Canada sell for around $850. I suspect the street value to avoid the nuisance of government legalities would make the price top at least $1000.each. In terms of having a six figure, tax free salary, that would be quite some incentive to get involved in trafficking. Alas the fellow got caught. I have to wonder thought, how many time he didn’t. I also, have to wonder what might be done, that could make gun trafficking less profitable and attractive, in order to do away with the incentive. As was the case with marijuana using punitive measures does not appear to be much of a deterrent. Nor do government legalities appear to add much to public safety. A case in point, would be last spring’s N.S. rampage.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.

Was the guy American or Canadian?

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Was the guy American or Canadian?

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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/montreal...cd6abef70/amp/

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The article states, "The driver of the vehicle, Sherbrooke resident William Rainville, was immediately arrested for allegedly importing firearms." I'm guessing that may make him Canadian. Plus the article, was entitle:
"RCMP arrests Serbrooke man, seizes 249 guns near Quebec-U.S. border."

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

Its a good thing Trudeau is reducing sentences for gun crimes.
Its great to be a criminal in Canada, Liberals are giving, get outta jail card to criminals now.
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The article states, "The driver of the vehicle, Sherbrooke resident William Rainville, was immediately arrested for allegedly importing firearms." I'm guessing that may make him Canadian. Plus the article, was entitle:
"RCMP arrests Serbrooke man, seizes 249 guns near Quebec-U.S. border."

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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Seeing as how you didn't provide a link to the story you posted, I suppose it was anyones guess?

The 5 hockey bags is the giveaway. He's Canadian.

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Seeing as how you didn't provide a link to the story you posted, I suppose it was anyones guess?

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Actually Markster in his posting had found & posted a link to the story. It was in the Montreal Gazette. I learn about it on CTV News, and went looking for it. I found it on a different site.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you top huting.
- Gun Nut

He was probably misunderstood so he will probably be out very quickly.

Oh the poor misguided youth - LOL.

There are so many places you can hide guns when crossing the border it is impossible to completely stop this kind of thing - especially in 18 wheelers, RVs or boats

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There are so many places you can hide guns when crossing the border it is impossible to completely stop this kind of thing - especially in 18 wheelers, RVs or boats

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Precisely, so what is the point of throwing up so many barriers to the legal trade in firearms. The only ones that really get inconvenience are the law abiding citizenry. Suppressing the legal market in firearms only serve to expand the unregulated and illegal trafficking of guns, and pad the pockets of gangs and organized crime.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

There's a lot of places to stash firearms, drugs and whatnot in campers, semis and SUV's but I guarantee customs knows or has seen where everyone of them is. It just boils down to the logistics of checking what vehicles.

$1000 each??? Try at least double if not more on the street.

A box of 50 rounds of pistol ammo will get $500 on the street.

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$1000 each??? Try at least double if not more on the street.

A box of 50 rounds of pistol ammo will get $500 on the street.

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I’ve heard that street firearm trafficking can be much more profitable then my example illustrated. But my point was, why continue to feed that system of profitability, by throwing up so many barriers to the legal trade in firearms. It really makes no sense and seems to promote very little public safety when it appears they are only able to catch and convict so few. .

You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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I’ve heard that street firearm trafficking can be much more profitable then my example illustrated. But my point was, why continue to feed that system of profitability, by throwing up so many barriers to the legal trade in firearms. It really makes no sense and seems to promote very little public safety when it appears they are only able to catch and convict so few. .

You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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The gun issue with our government is simple, they don't want to attack their voter base.
Freeloaders and criminals generate a huge amount of votes for the liberals. If your not aware, I believe our liberal government not so long ago just reduced sentences for gun crimes. If I'm not mistaken it was announced just days after announcing more gun control for licensed owners .
Trudeau and the rest of his don't give a sh#t about licenced owners or their vote, as most don't ever vote liberal. So they could care less how difficult they make for licensed owners

What PO's me to no end is that for every one that's caught,at least,10X that slip through.

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$1000 each??? Try at least double if not more on the street.

A box of 50 rounds of pistol ammo will get $500 on the street.

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If they take my pistols next........I can at least make a tidy profit from what is left.

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Boy what a difference from what you guys have to go through with regards to firearms - I can go over to Cabela's right now and buy a couple handguns and an AR type rifle and take them home - once you pick out the guns you want you go over to a area where there are computers set up - you fill out the forms on the screen and they get an ok from a check that is made on you - if you have no criminal record you are good to go with the guns - right now the biggest problem is getting ammo for certain caliber guns - so many people have bought guns that the ammo makers are having a tough time meeting the demand - the 9 mm handgun is real popular right now

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The gun issue with our government is simple, they don't want to attack their voter base.
Freeloaders and criminals generate a huge amount of votes for the liberals. If your not aware, I believe our liberal government not so long ago just reduced sentences for gun crimes. If I'm not mistaken it was announced just days after announcing more gun control for licensed owners .
Trudeau and the rest of his don't give a sh#t about licenced owners or their vote, as most don't ever vote liberal. So they could care less how difficult they make for licensed owners

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It might surprise you how many police officer's vote Liberal.

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None that I know.....and I know quite a few....

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None that I know.....and I know quite a few....

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You need to have worked in a big diverse multicultural City.

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Boy what a difference from what you guys have to go through with regards to firearms - I can go over to Cabela's right now and buy a couple handguns and an AR type rifle and take them home - once you pick out the guns you want you go over to a area where there are computers set up - you fill out the forms on the screen and they get an ok from a check that is made on you - if you have no criminal record you are good to go with the guns - right now the biggest problem is getting ammo for certain caliber guns - so many people have bought guns that the ammo makers are having a tough time meeting the demand - the 9 mm handgun is real popular right now

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The great thing about Canada is that most of the population does not feel a need or a want to go off to Cabela's and buy a couple of handgun's or an AR type of rifle. The constant fear displayed by American's about neighbor's, ethnic communities,
the need to live in gated communities with armed guards, even armed guard's in school's is ABNOMAL, its a pity you do not
realize its not normal.

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The great thing about Canada is that most of the population does not feel a need or a want to go off to Cabela's and buy a couple of handgun's or an AR type of rifle. The constant fear displayed by American's about neighbor's, ethnic communities,
the need to live in gated communities with armed guards, even armed guard's in school's is ABNOMAL, its a pity you do not
realize its not normal.

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Just as I predicted years ago that crime would increase up there - I am also predicting that Canadians will someday feel the need to arm themselves - from the riots that were going on down here and the lack of police protection citizens felt they better get prepared to defend themselves - you wait - it will happen up there too - you are just a couple years behind

All that is needed is some disaster that makes food scare and gas unavailable the place will fall apart - citizens will be on their own - can you imagine living in some of the big cities this past summer when the so called peaceful demonstrations destroyed everything they could get their hands on while the cops stood and watched because some liberal politician told them to stand by - the only way to control a mob is by fire power

What's normal? - what was normal 10 - 20 -30 years ago ain't normal today - Gilroy - old buddy - you are living in the past - your not aware what is going on in some of our big cities - it won't be long and it will spill out into the suburbs and spill up into your neck of the woods - get ready

Most of us here will be feeding dew worms long before that ever happens. This ain't the States and our mentality just isn't what yours is when it comes to guns. Besides, we don't have the population or the poverty needed to fuel rampant gun crime that you folks enjoy.

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Most of us here will be feeding dew worms long before that ever happens. This ain't the States and our mentality just isn't what yours is when it comes to guns. Besides, we don't have the population or the poverty needed to fuel rampant gun crime that you folks enjoy.

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Lots of gun crime in our cities. Shootings are pretty much a daily occurrence in Toronto.

When I left the Maritimes you very rarely ever heard of anyone having handguns on the streets. It's not like that anymore.

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Lots of gun crime in our cities. Shootings are pretty much a daily occurrence in Toronto.

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It's nowhere on the scale it is in most American cities. As I seem to recall, they have 10 times our population but 50 times the firearms related deaths.
I should add too that in an 11 month period there has been 578 mass shootings in th states. It's not even news worthy anymore.

You got to look at the big picture - the definite trend is that things are getting worse with regard to crime, morals, - cheating, stealing, killing and just about everything - what will drastically change this trend - I don't see anything coming along - just as you would look at trends when you evaluate a stock on the stock market - you look at trends to guess what the future will be like - all the bad stuff will continue to grow until you are faced with it up in Canada -

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When I left the Maritimes you very rarely ever heard of anyone having handguns on the streets. It's not like that anymore.

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That is because your news came from the maritimes.

The fact is that gun crime is significantly lower than it was in the 70s, the problem is that if there is one gun crime anywhere in the country we see it 18000 times and hear about it about as many.

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You got to look at the big picture - the definite trend is that things are getting worse with regard to crime, morals, - cheating, stealing, killing and just about everything - what will drastically change this trend - I don't see anything coming along - just as you would look at trends when you evaluate a stock on the stock market - you look at trends to guess what the future will be like - all the bad stuff will continue to grow until you are faced with it up in Canada -

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That is where you are wrong, the numbers prove that you are wrong, serious crimes are not going up.

Not in NB, My Dad knew several Cops and yes it all Changed sometime around 1990.

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That is because your news came from the maritimes.

The fact is that gun crime is significantly lower than it was in the 70s, the problem is that if there is one gun crime anywhere in the country we see it 18000 times and hear about it about as many.

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That is where you are wrong, the numbers prove that you are wrong, serious crimes are not going up.

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After many years with law enforcement in Ontario,as a general rule of thumb,we saw that what was happening in the US always migrated north,but,it usually took about 10 years. That hasn't changed,in fact,it appears to be accelerating at an alarming rate to about half that. The gang banger/gun issue we're seeing in Canada's large cities has been occurring for the last 5 years in American big cities. Chicago and Baltimore comes to mind.

Right on Trimmer - right on - that's exactly what is happening

Seems to coincide with the relaxation of the immigration laws.

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Seems to coincide with the relaxation of the immigration laws.

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.........and liberalization of the justice system to be more "politically correct".

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After many years with law enforcement in Ontario,as a general rule of thumb,we saw that what was happening in the US always migrated north,but,it usually took about 10 years. That hasn't changed,in fact,it appears to be accelerating at an alarming rate to about half that. The gang banger/gun issue we're seeing in Canada's large cities has been occurring for the last 5 years in American big cities. Chicago and Baltimore comes to mind.

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We have had so called gang banger activity in Toronto since about 1988, after our first crack house WAS RAIDED IN MY OLD DIVISION by 5 district drug's squad. It was never allowed to get out of control because we did not abandon or surrender whole public housing project's to the bad guy's, BUT IN THE USA they had no problem doing that decades ago and making no go area's. Of course we did not know at the time that Ronald Regan was actually facilitating the flow of cocaine into places like Compton, while the CIA was using the profit's to fund illegal wars.

So Joe Pa we are no where near like America which is a country in decay because of internal corruption. Your America is a war mongering country and like Rome will keep declining caused by your greed Worldwide.

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They tried 3 strikes and your out in the USA for decades and it was a costly colossal failure with the largest prison population in the World.

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American and Canada is composed of immigrant's unless your aboriginal. They all committed crime, there were plenty of Irish gangsters in Toronto and Boston and New York. There is an ebb and flow through history Italian gangsters, Russian gangsters,
Triad's...

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We have had so called gang banger activity in Toronto since about 1988, after our first crack house WAS RAIDED IN MY OLD DIVISION by 5 district drug's squad. It was never allowed to get out of control because we did not abandon or surrender whole public housing project's to the bad guy's, BUT IN THE USA they had no problem doing that decades ago and making no go area's. Of course we did not know at the time that Ronald Regan was actually facilitating the flow of cocaine into places like Compton, while the CIA was using the profit's to fund illegal wars.

So Joe Pa we are no where near like America which is a country in decay because of internal corruption. Your America is a war mongering country and like Rome will keep declining caused by your greed Worldwide.

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Funny you should mention..corruption !!

Hopefully those who do not believe it will actually open this link and read.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...015001-eng.htm

The murder rate in 2013 was half that of 1974.

Total crime rate peaked around 1990.

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After many years with law enforcement in Ontario,as a general rule of thumb,we saw that what was happening in the US always migrated north,but,it usually took about 10 years. That hasn't changed,in fact,it appears to be accelerating at an alarming rate to about half that. The gang banger/gun issue we're seeing in Canada's large cities has been occurring for the last 5 years in American big cities. Chicago and Baltimore comes to mind.

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Gang activity in the US is down significantly as well, look at the Mafia in New York.

You cannot just look at 2 years or 5 years and make a determination, that is how the government is using statistics to try to ban guns in Canada. Yes gun crime has gone up in a few years but it is way down from what it was in the past.

You are just fueling the statistics that will have your firearms taken away.

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The great thing about Canada is that most of the population does not feel a need or a want to go off to Cabela's and buy a couple of handgun's or an AR type of rifle. The constant fear displayed by American's about neighbor's, ethnic communities,
the need to live in gated communities with armed guards, even armed guard's in school's is ABNOMAL, its a pity you do not
realize its not normal.

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They would if they could

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Boy what a difference from what you guys have to go through with regards to firearms - I can go over to Cabela's right now and buy a couple handguns and an AR type rifle and take them home - once you pick out the guns you want you go over to a area where there are computers set up - you fill out the forms on the screen and they get an ok from a check that is made on you - if you have no criminal record you are good to go with the guns - right now the biggest problem is getting ammo for certain caliber guns - so many people have bought guns that the ammo makers are having a tough time meeting the demand - the 9 mm handgun is real popular right now

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It should be the same here to but others will disagree .

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Boy what a difference from what you guys have to go through with regards to firearms - I can go over to Cabela's right now and buy a couple handguns and an AR type rifle and take them home - once you pick out the guns you want you go over to a area where there are computers set up - you fill out the forms on the screen and they get an ok from a check that is made on you - if you have no criminal record you are good to go with the guns - right now the biggest problem is getting ammo for certain caliber guns - so many people have bought guns that the ammo makers are having a tough time meeting the demand - the 9 mm handgun is real popular right now

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Hey Joe I see your letting ppl across Mexican border and giving them $1400
Is it the going to be same Canada USA border buy me a nice gun or two

And people worry about the guns lol.

Like I said before rocket launchers have been found here too they are banned .

Apparently so are grenade launchers and grenades , several guns and many of the didn't come from Canada .

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/londo...bust-1.5954798




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Hey Joe I see your letting ppl across Mexican border and giving them $1400
Is it the going to be same Canada USA border buy me a nice gun or two

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What color gun do you want?

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He was probably misunderstood so he will probably be out very quickly.

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He will get off without any charges, as he identifies as a law abiding firearms owner and has done nothing wrong.