A look at parental rights and what is going on in our justice, education, and healthcare systems.
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A look at parental rights and what is going on in our justice, education, and healthcare systems.
https://www.rebelnews.com/father_of_...0JdyT0gGoFmfDE
What a sad state of affairs we have in this country no child under the age of 18 should be allowed to make such a life altering decision such as that and I would say that most 18yr Olds aren't capable of something that serious either. Something of that degree of seriousness should have to wait until the age of 21 and then if one decides to go ahead with something like that it SHOULD NOT be funded by Ohip in any way shape or form as it is in NO WAY a life or death situation. It should be a user pay system if you want it done pay for it YOURSELF and not the taxpayers.
I have zero problems funding it. Who here can claim to understand this issue. Let alone the human brain. Ffs even experts, can’t and don’t understand half.....
Try wrapping your rational brain around the brain of someone with X. It can’t be done. You simply don’t think as that person does. Your “rational” thoughts have zero relevance. I can’t imagine what it might be like, to feel trapped in a males body....lol, ffs most of you resent living in 2021 where your told how to think/feel....can’t even handle that...
The issue, for me anyways. Is that youth are susceptible to influence. Nor are they capable of what we deem to be adult decisions.
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They could get tattoos at 15, married at 14 if that’s what they want. There’s be no such thing as a child soldier, and no such thing as a young offenders act, and 17 year old that kill someone would tried as adults.
The fact! The courts deem it necessary to ban information to protect the
Child’s
Identity. Is all that needs to be said.
The world is so screwed up thanks to the left, liberals and progressives it’s pardon the pun.
Nuts
That is ridiculous
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You don’t have a problem funding it ?
This country’s finances are in the toilet. We either need to reduce spending or raise taxes - and door #2 is really unpopular. Take a trip to the countries that are overtaking North America and see if they’re funding these sort of things,
and of course the bigger issue is the irreparable damage to a generation of confused kids
No I don’t.
How much to you think we spend on the consequences of various “mental health” issues, be it substance abuse or other. That frankly are ignored.
Say the word. Physical ailment like diabetes, Chrones, Cancer, a cold, broken bone. And everyone gets that. Say your suffering from a chemical imbalance and your treated like a freak...with little support. We are also I imagine talking about a very very small percentage of the population. God forbid we help, or comprehend “yay but for the grace of god”.. walk a mile imo.
Debt/taxes et al.
Yep. Are you suggesting there aren’t 1,000 other things we spend too much on, where real money could be saved...
You must be.
I have a couple of things to say that seem to be relevant ... two may seem to be contradictory, but they are only because of the different times.
My dad said when he grew up and was about 6 years old, living in poverty and therefor a result of necessity ... he took care of babies while his parents worked the farm. He had his first job very young. It was normal to get married at 14 or 15 years old ... in fact if you weren't married by the time you were 20 ... most people thought they'd never be married and grow old alone. At 18 you were normally a parent.
Now, we can't imagine how a 16 year old would ever make it on their own ... they are considered to still be children.
What happened to the maturity of "children" (those under 18)? Did we do this, and is it right to have done this (I believe because we treat them like children with NO responsibility, they do not mature). And let's not confuse ... the past say 50 years is where this all changed, but prior to that .... for thousands of years ... "children" today, were adults back then.
Here's my perspective ... what has changed is the parent ... in fact I'd say the LACK of being a parent ... with the goal of raising mature people. In fact, I'd go so far as saying this is possibly a product of government intervention, and stripping parents of their rights to teach children. You see, don't they say the most influential years in a child is actually up to the age of 12? After that ... good luck trying to improve the nature of a person. If we strip a parent's rights to properly parent (because some psychologist comes up with a theory and makes a big social experiment out of it, where we learn the consequences only decades later) ... especially in the formidable years of a child's upbringing ... the child then has little ability on their own to make sense of much ... and the mind itself is influenced ... good or bad, right or wrong ... basically there's nothing there to help guide the child. It becomes worse when those children become parents themselves a decade later ... which is what we are experiencing right now.
So tying this back to the theme of this thread ... unfortunately, at 16 or even 18, perhaps 20 ... we still have children ... who have and don't believe in responsibility, little values to guide them ... lost. And now that we created this little tasmanian devil ... we also want to tell them they can be whatever they dream of being? No guidance? How are we as society going to understand the circumstances of a particular house hold, and know what the right thing to do is, as a parent ... we think a blanket approach which says ... let the child do whatever they want ... is the right thing?? I don't think so. How do we know that this isn't just some misunderstanding of emotions playing out, and if we allow the child to have an operation ... that they don't actually regret it later on?
Who here has done something as a "child" that you regret having done today as an adult? I have ... I got two tattoos ... one I ended up HATING ... it was a mistake (went to an amateur to get it done ... bad quality, and the theme just doesn't reflect who I am). The other I like.
It took me $600 to get the one I don't like put on ... it took $6500 to get it off (laser) ... and it's not 100% perfect ... I'd say 99% good ... but I'm MUCH happier today ... at least I'm okay taking my t-shirt off at a beach. So, I made a decision as a child that I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wish my parents were so strong about that they STOPPED me from doing it ... yes it would have been tears and anger at the time ... but fast forward only 5 to 10 years, and I would have thanked them ... now don't get me wrong ... I love my parents, they are awesome ... my dad was tough ... but I was a rebel ... and actually 16 years old at the time ... and I'm pretty sure illegally (due to my age at the time) this tattoo shop allowed me to do it.
WE SHOULD NOT EVER take away the rights of a parent ... EVER.
One thing about this that bothers me and there are many is why the doctors involved feel that they are entitled to anonymity, these people are supposed to be professionals and if what they are doing is supposed to be so great why are they hiding. There is another cases before the courts where a pastor was/is jailed for holding mass and couldn't agree not to hold mass as part of bail restrictions and the prosecuting attorney in the case wanted to be anonymous. I read a comment somewhere yesterday that someone wrote that rings true to me, "If Canada accepts everything it stands for nothing."
Maybe the prosecutor wanted to remain anonymous, because of the fear, of right wing religious nuts, trying to get retribution. The voters of the country, are deciding what we will accept, or not.
I don't think that's it they seemed like a mostly peaceful group that just wanted to worship in peace. They through a number of charges at the Pastor but were all dropped but one this week after the matter garnered international attention. I think she wished to be anonymous due the heinous crime against humanity she was perpetrating.
MarkB.
In large part I agree ( obviously). However I'm not sure it's that straight forward. I'm going to step way, way way out of my comfort zone here.
When one of my daughters was 16-19 as a parent/father I was dealing with what some might call, or assume was some fairly "normal" rebellious behavior. My responses ( right term?) were based on how we might handle a typically rebellious teen. Worded differently, if your spoiled teen is acting out, rationally you do X....Worded another way...Applying rational though, to something that isn't rational
Years later, with help. We find out she was sexually assaulted when she was 8. And the various things plaguing her were a result of PTSD. How much further damage did I do, because rationally you respond to X by doing Y....because no-one understood underlying it all was PTSD.....PTSD itself, still isn't fully understood....
No-one, or few really understand the human brain. Unless your a trained phycologist and more, and even then, there are many areas that aren't fully understood. This topic of gender identity being one. Some think it's a choice...Most science says no it's not. "yay but for the grace of god"
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article...ary%20by%20age.
I'm sorry to hear about that JBen ... that is terrible what happened to your daughter.
But you see ... I think what I'm saying applies ... in your household ... your circumstances needed a specific action.
Now, you did what you thought was right ... no one gives us a book on parenting ... and we are going to make mistakes, but
you see, ultimately you did find out the issue, and sought the right help for your daughter. As a caring parent, you use the
best of your knowledge and abilities to help your child.
Please allow me to now speculate on a situation where there is a similar circumstance to what happened in your family, but
the outward behavior was one where the female child finds mental relief in the thought of being a male ... and I won't go into
why ... let's just say that is the way the trauma ramifies itself. Is it okay that the government then says, nope you as a parent cannot
intervene to support them through that situation, but MUST accept it ... even if the child is 9 years old ... and wants to undergo sex
transition therapy?? That's the difference between parenting (even when we make mistakes on good intentions) vs. non-parenting (ie, let
the government handle it).
Painting all us believers in God with one brush ... religious nuts? Yes, I can see it playing out in your mind ... could not possibly be handled peacefully by religious "nuts". They're all nut jobs, aren't they? I mean how crazy is this bunch that wants to come together (socially distanced) to praise our God and discuss about peace and love?? Why don't they just go to Walmart and buy some candy and chips in the presence of hundreds of strangers! Why can't they be acceptable! Same ol' fishy ... one of the most prejudice people on this site, who claims not to be.
My son was suspended for a day for saying he was straight and he goes to a Catholic School a Trans person was offended and then headlocked him threw him to the floor. But my son was also suspended for stating he's straight. I guess you are no longer allowed to say your straight.
MarkB
Life happens.
Had I known the root problem was PTSD ( itself not fully understood), I'd handled many things differently. The vast majority do the best they can with the information they have. But it wasn't all that long ago, cops were expected to man up and not be so weak, because few understood PTSD....When someone is "sick above the shoulders"......Treated like freaks stepping off the short bus.
This topic, and while I largely agree parents know best. And am utterly against this insanity.
Do they?
Sounds par for the course our children are being indoctrinated into this left wing ideology that if you aren't part of it you are viewed as selfish, intolerant and need to be cancelled right away (pardon the pun) before you infect someone else and undue all their programing.
That goes both ways I hope. Just don't be offended. Am I not expected to be offended, when I have been called some very derogatory names for having voted liberal. Criminal, pervert, abuser, sexual predator, etc. You personally have called Liberal voters, and myself, all of those things. I guess calling someone a 'nut', is worse.....
Joepa... 'Transgender nonsense' ?
I have 15 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren - all grandchildren with the exception of two boys were home schooled - the two that were not home schools wanted to play sports so they ended up in a public school - both eventually went to a Catholic School because the public school was promoting this homosexual and transgender nonsense - the Catholic School they went to was noted for having real good football teams - both of them said that the move was the best thing they could have done - both ended up being the starting quarterbacks for two years and both ended up getting full scholarships (everything paid for) from division one schools - so there is an alternative to sending your kids to a public school where all the BS is being taught - down here you can go to a Catholic School even if you are not a Catholic - if your kid is going to a public school they are being indoctrinated by far left, liberal ideology -
Yes - transgender nonsense - why all of a sudden this is such a big item - when I was growing up and when I was a parent I never heard of all this crap about kids wanting to change their sex or not knowing what they were - sure there probably were some kids that were screwed up - there were some tomboys and sissies around but they were so few nobody paid attention - the world wasn't turned upside down because of them - a lot of this starts from some people who are screwed up and being in positions of influence - they keep pushing their agenda to make their screwed up lives a normal thing -
Again Joepa? 'Homosexual and transgender nonsense' ? By who's definition is it nonsense. Both have been around, since the dawn of man. Are you saying that homosexual feelings are not normal, for some? That homosexuals are 'screwed up' ? That they are not entitled to the protection and benefits afforded to all, in a secular society? Free from persecution and discrimination, because of whom they fell in love with. You did not hear about, or see many alternative sexualities in the past because they were hiding, in the closet, afraid for their livelihood and their lives. Why?
Joe.
Would you consider the Mayo Clinic as reputable?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20475255
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[COLOR=#111111]Gender dysphoria can also impair the ability to function at school or at work, resulting in school dropout or unemployment. Relationship difficulties are common. Anxiety, depression, self-harm, eating disorders, substance abuse and other problems can occur.
LOL
I was pretty sure it wasn't a spelling mistake or opposite day post on your part Joepa.
This statement above does actually make a lot of sense in explaining one possible reason for all this new cancel culture and the controversial to many agendas being pushed by some for extreme and fringe views of a very few.
John
An , 'it' ? ........Joepa........ Have you no respect for common decency?
I'm with you JoePa100% nonsense. As for people of influence pushing their own agenda up here in Ontario we had a useless premier by the name of Kathleen wynne everything she did here in Ontario went to chitt and put the province deeper in debt and worse off than when she took office. Anyway where I'm headed with this story is she was a lesbian and she was once touting the idea of ohip which is taxpayer funded to cover the cost of anyone wanting a sex change could have one free of charge. If someone wants a sex change in my books by all means do it but at a minimum age of 21and you pay for it out off your own pocket not mine just like going to the dentist the province doesn't cover that as it is not life or death.
Why,Fish? That's easy to answer. Despite the brayings,bullying with political correctness and cancel culture of the lib-left,90% of society still finds all forms of homosexuality reprehensible,disgusting and morally repugnant. Never equate toleration with acceptance.
Well, sorry Joe.; I'm usually with you, but not this time. Our gender is formed in utero. We have nothing to do with it. In our day there were just as many LGBTQ folks as now. The difference is that they had to keep it hidden back then - so they had to live a life far short of what they wanted - yes, remember those we called sissy boys and butch girls?
Thank goodness it is more acceptable now - my nephew is trangendered , dresses like a girl and is a bank teller. When he was being born, the placenta pulled away from the uterus and he got little testosterone.
Being a Christian I believe sex is for marriage only - trangendered + and the same as women or men who never marry.
I treat them all though with respect and understanding.
When you are no longer allowed to state you are straight in my opinion we have a problem.
Your son should definitely be able to say he was straight. I expect the fight was the problem.
Sorry I read the previous post incorrectly.
Sharon - nice to hear from you - here's the point I am trying to make - a lot of people are born with abnormalities - be it homosexuality, transgender, pedophilic, extremely violent temper, alcohol addiction . etc. - these people have a burden no doubt and but need to resist the tendencies that they have because they are wrong - I personally think that homosexual behavior is wrong and I don't want someone pushing to make it normal and ok - there are pedophiles who are born with that tendency - I don't think we should accept their behavior because they were born that way - many people speak of tolerance as a good thing but it isn't when you tolerate something bad - If anything I feel sorry for someone who has to deal with these issues but I can't sanction bad behavior - we must realize that millions of people are born with burdens - blind, crippled, mental problems .etc - you do what is right and make the best of it
Very interesting perspective. I'll think on that. :)
A few years back while my daughter was in highschool she successfully defended herself from an attack by a much larger girl, they were both suspended and the incident went on their permanent record. I appealed it with the Vice Principal and the school board and got nowhere after 3 days even with a teacher that witnessed the event that said my daughter did nothing to provoke the other student and tried to walk away. The Vice Principal's position was that the Champ did such a great job of defending herself she deserved a 7 day suspension.
So true.
JoePa, that is the problem with society, if you speak up and the left don't agree, they become offended, attack cancel and do everything they can to silence those who speak up.
Thats whats needed, more people get real and speak up against these leftist ideologies, that hurt more then it helps.
So I am not new to this, I did not go to the principal as my son did not want anything to start. Had something happen several years ago with the other son and he did hit someone who deserved it. He saw another student breaking into a locker he asked the kid to get away the kid stopped and grabbed my son around the neck (Caught on video) my son gave him a good fist in the head and dropped him.
At the first the School only told me my son hit someone. After talking to my son and then the school I found out the real details, the locker the kid was breaking into was the most bullied kid in the school and the kid trying to break in was his bully. My son told him to get away from the locker or he would go to the principal, the kid then grabbed my son around the throat, my son knew he could take the bully and hauled off and hit him. I told the principal my son deserved a cupcake, he would have gotten a cake if he had hit him 3 times real good.
I have a policy if you attack me and I feel I can take you "You become my personal property to do with as I see fit.". I don't and never have started a fight I just finish them.
I am truly sorry to have read that your daughter had a terrible experience that that no child should ever have to endure.
Back the topic at hand, the state should not be in the business of preventing parents from being parents. As Mark said with his tattoo story, there an awful lot of things that a kid decides to do which are regretted later.
Back to the other part of our posts: there are many people who are anxious /self-conscious about their weight or appearance....is the taxpayer responsible for rectifying every problem that everyone has ?? Is OHIP going to start paying for breast implants or other plastic surgery so that we can all be completely happy with ourselves??
This left wing garbage is destroying Western society.
I had a similar incident with a grand child a few years ago where he was being assaulted by a school bully that teachers and principals were well aware of,but,for whatever reason,were afraid to tend to. My grandson took care of the brat (humiliation in front of everyone works wonders) the way he was taught and the bullying ended,permanently. When we attended the interview,the Principal was quickly brought up to speed,too. With bullies and bureaucrats,silence is acquiescence and acceptance. Never keep silent.
Here's an update on todays precedings sorry only facebook link available now.
https://www.facebook.com/LauraLynnTT...9372924474319/
Youtube Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY_h9NChkpI
Here's a great bullying story.
I had 2 brothers in wheelchairs with Muscular Dystrophy. One died at 17 and one at 21.
One night another young, healthy brother hears the ill brother crying. Upon questioning , the ill brother says that someone is bullying him at school- who bullies a kid in a wheelchair? The bully is pouring milk etc. down my brother's back .
My parents were absentees so my little brother decided to handle this himself.
Next day , my healthy 15 year old brother goes to my ill brother's school, finds the bully and beats him up completely.
By the time he gets back to his school , the police are there waiting for him.
After hearing the story , the Police and principal say, "Well , don't do it again." and leave. :)
That is the way bullies were dealt with years ago and usually after that they never bullied anyone again. Now we coddle them and say bad person no repercussions for there behaviour. If you receive zero punishment you will do it again and again.
I was bullied as a kid in grade 1 - 3 but i barely remember it anymore, but I recall grade nine quite well, I was new to the school and one guy decided he wanted to bully me and tormented me all year pushing me out of his way, tripping me and everything, the last day of school during a English exam I was sitting in the desk in front of him, as he got up he shoved his desk into my chair, I just exploded and smashed mine as hard as I could sending him flying. The class and teacher just looked nobody said a thing and I handed in my exam and walked out. That following year I grew. In grade 10 there were new rules made clear to him.
I have always taught my kids that bulling is wrong and you stand up for others or at least help. Schools now teach the opposite and that you should allow yourself to be bullied. I'm sorry I will not stand for that and if anyone lays a hand on my kids and my kids feel they can do it. That person becomes their personal property and they can do what they feel is right.
Another storey more like yours my youngest brother was bullied and beat up twice by a kid who I knew of. My Dad had a cop friend of his over to ask for advice. The cop told Dad well the kid is a minor and yes he could try and scare the kid but that is all. I spoke up and said well I'm still considered a minor can I do something he just looked at my Dad and nodded his head up and down and smiled. :)
Until I was 13,I was a 5' nothin' pipsqueek that was bullied relentlessly. My Dad had passed when I was 10,and until Mom hooked up with real rounder who was a bit of a badass (RCR-Korea),it never occurred to me to fight back. At that age,I started a bit of a growth spurt and my step dad decided it was time I learned to take care of business after I'd come home once too often with fat lip and blackeye. He set me up with a buddy of his who was a master of military unarmed combat. I learned from him 3 days a week for 3 years and I learned my lessons well. Now,the strange thing about bullies is they never smarten up and look what's going on around them until someone finally takes them apart. From then on,I got even with every one of them and I made sure they walked funny for a long time afterwards.
Schools say they have zero tolerance. That’s just lip service. Something the boards and unions and some teachers like to say because it sounds good.
My eldest was bullied badly, as was my youngest ( hers with consequences that needed police envolvement). I’ll never forget the meeting with all the players, and one social worker having to put the principal in her place.
My eldest, actually had a peace bond placed against her. And had to spend a year of good behaviour for daring to stand up for herself. The guy cried like a baby after she beat the out of him. Me, after her court appearance. I hugged her and said, good for you.
Welcome to 2021.
The father has been jailed until trial April 12-16 to prevent further emotional harm to the child but what about the emotional harm to the child caused by the incarceration of her father?
https://tnc.news/2021/03/17/grave-co...g2QEelIjYaXm_k
Those are great stories! I'll share a quick one you guys might enjoy.
Myself, a good friend of mine, and his younger sister were walking home from school (yes, WALKING to & from school...remember when kids used to do that? lol). We must have been about 10, his sister maybe 6 or 7. There was a spoiled brat who lived on our street, a real loud mouth type of kid. His parents never laid a hand on him and I remember hearing the way he spoke to his grandparents and just being sickened by the level of disrespect.
Anyways, we were walking by his house and he started to verbally abuse my friend's sister as she had a very minor disability. He even tried to grab her backpack and push her. My friend confronted him and gave him a chance to stop and leave her alone...but he decided to press the issue at his peril. My friend proceeds to beat the living **** out of him, and just left him in a mangled heap on his doorstep. Friend was real worried that his father would be upset, but told him exactly what happened later that evening. I was there and remember his father saying "Son, you did the right thing. If he ever abuses your sister again, you do the same thing."
How far we've fallen. Today that would be viewed as an act of 'toxic masculinity' or some other radical leftist term.
Thinking back I realize how lucky I am to have had a strong father, grand fathers, uncles, etc. in my life growing up. So glad I was raised right.
This all points to one thing - good people better start voicing their option and doing all they can to stop this rush to madness - there is a war going on for the soul of our countries - you can no longer sit by and watch - get involved
I notice that in every one of the instances people site, the child was fighting back against bullies. The victims. Someone must be the bullies, and their parents are the ones that need ‘talking’ to. Somebody must be having those kids, and their attitudes. Do they not have to show up at meetings with the school authorities? I usually only had to be told-to do ,or not to do something once, by my father.
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Do they not have to show up at meetings with the school authorities
In my eldest daughters case, we knew the boy and his parents. The principal assured us, they were talking to his father. Weeks later another incident I said enough is enough and knocked on the kids door, prepared to have it out it with the boys father.
The father was floored. First he'd heard of it.
Last I heard as I walked away was dad lighting up his son. At least in that case, with that boy, there were no further incidents.
The principal was none to happy to see me.
In my youngest case it involved dozens of kids and two schools. Police and more. but we really didnt get anywhere, nor did the school take it seriously until she hurt herself ( the same daughter we learned later had PTSD).
Long winded way of saying if any teacher ever tries to tell me they take it seriously, I hope they are prepared for my response.
Just because a parent says something to the kid doesn't mean they will listen especially when there are no repercussions. In the Liberal world there are no repercussions.
My older brother is a big guy but one thing about him had a bad temper - this happened years ago - my one nephew would walk home from school each day and at one particular corner there was a kid that would give him a tough time - so my brother taught the nephew how fight - even got a punching bag - so one day the nephew is coming home from school and this kid is standing at the same corner - he starts harassing the nephew - the nephew hauls off and hits the kid and gives him a bloody nose - a couple days late the nephew is coming home from school and at the same corner is this kid with a older buddy with him - they give my nephew a hard time - the nephew goes home and tells my brother - they both get into the car and drive over to this corner looking for the two kids - they see them walking up the street so they get out of the car and start walking up towards the kids - the kids see them coming so they take off running up the street - my brother starts chasing them - they run into a yard with my brother right after them - the run into the backdoor of the house with my brother right after them - they run through the house and out the front door with my brother right after them - they finally run through a school yard and by brother stops chasing them - I guess the kid's parents were working and not home but it sure wound have been funny seeing some guy chasing your kid right through the house like that - needless to say the nobody bothered my nephew again
The Bullies own the schools ... the schools just don't want to admit it. They put up these pathetic anti bullying messages ... and then when it really comes to standing up for victims ... the schools do nothing ... it's pathetic ... we live in a world of straw houses buddy ... people are weak when it comes to standing up for values, or whenever it counts. If you really want to bring them to their knees, file a report with the police ... breaking into someone locker, and a physical attack on your son, which he had to defend himself against ... school will then have no choice but to cooperate with the police.
Years back when my daughter was in grade 7(she’s 21 now), she was being severely bullied online and at school by one particular kid. We went through all the channels with the school and it just went on and on into the summer and into the 8th grade.
I finally got fed up and payed a visit to the boys father. I brought along a friend who we nicknamed Shrek for particular reasons. Let’s just say that I made it very clear to the father that if I had to come back it would not be a pleasant visit from us.
I was expecting and prepared for a visit from the police which never came and the harassment stopped immediately. Funny how that happens! Sometimes old school works.
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That seems to be the only language people like that understand, sadly some of them like to sit on both sides of the fence.