The Liberal government needs a data-driven plan

The pressure is on to justify the lockdowns.

"Under the guidance issued by the Center for Disease Control over two weeks ago, fully vaccinated Americans can gather indoors, without keeping their distance or wearing masks, with unvaccinated people from a single household who are at low risk of developing severe disease from COVID-19."

"Here in Canada, Canadians have yet to receive any similar guidance. In fact, it’s been the opposite; there has been no clarity on when families can be safely reunited, even for vaccinated Canadians – never mind guidance on the conditions under which all other COVID-19 restrictions would be safely and permanently lifted."

"A year into the pandemic, we have tools like rapid tests, therapeutics, vaccines and data on how COVID-19 is transmitted. Lockdown measures were put in place to buy time to get these tools. Now that these are available worldwide, the federal government needs to tell Canadians how they’re going to be deployed, under what timelines, and, most importantly, how they’re going to be used to lift widespread restrictions permanently."

"Calls for reopening guidelines are being made by industry and civil society groups across the country. This is why Conservatives have introduced a motion in the House of Commons that will force the Liberal government to provide Canadians within 20 days a clear, data-driven plan to support safely, gradually and permanently lifting COVID-19 restrictions. Members of Parliament will vote on this motion on Wednesday."

"Canadians are resilient and have come together to protect one another. Now, the Liberals need to show Canadians that their sacrifice isn’t indefinite."

https://ottawasun.com/opinion/columnists/rempel-garner-the-liberal-government-needs-a-data-driven-plan-on-lifting-restrictions/wcm/3e96edb9-3c3b-41c6-a7ee-f12b2909f814

"All across Canada, everyone is working on their re-opening plans. Businesses, industry associations, sports clubs, you name it. Individuals and families are working on their plans for all of the fun things they’re going to do soon and the great reunions they’re planning to have."
"But not the federal government. Not Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. He remains Canada’s biggest downer, seemingly happy to keep the nation under some form of restrictions for whoever knows how long."


"It’s not acceptable. It’s not leadership."
"Politicians in other countries, from across the political spectrum, are championing responsible re-openings."

https://ottawasun.com/opinion/editor...3-62ef288398d4

The Liberals would NEVER agree to a data driven plan, because it would expose their mis-management ... lack of data creates huge loop holes for failure to manage ... hard to prove anything.

Lots of misinformed people believe things , without actual proof .

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Lots of misinformed people believe things , without proof of same.

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Those would be the liberal electorate.

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What misinformation??? OK try to prove this is "misinformation":

1) Federal deficit will be greater than $300 billion ... (https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/fede...wave-1.5209807) ... let's compare ... see that red bar vs. the grey (fact) bars?

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2) GDP dropped 5.1% in same time period ... biggest drop EVER! (https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/cana...ats-2021-01-29)

I'm not actually expecting you to respond with facts or data ... it's not your style ... you're going to do the same old by deflecting with some other useless information, blaming someone else (let's pick George Washington this time, why not?) or respond with a question ...

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What misinformation??? OK try to prove this is "misinformation":

1) Federal deficit will be greater than $300 billion ... (https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/fede...wave-1.5209807) ... let's compare ... see that red bar vs. the grey (fact) bars?

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2) GDP dropped 5.1% in same time period ... biggest drop EVER! (https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/cana...ats-2021-01-29)

I'm not actually expecting you to respond with facts or data ... it's not your style ... you're going to do the same old by deflecting with some other useless information, blaming someone else (let's pick George Washington this time, why not?) or respond with a question ...

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I just figured out how to stop non-sense talk ... almost 24h and silence ... oh the bliss! LOL.

Guess you missed the joke.....I was talking about something other than the budget or politics at all, for that matter. I don't need proof, any proof, I have faith, that everything happens for a reason. Lol.

Trump happened for reasons.

Ford happened for reasons

Harris happened for reasons.

And what you utterly fail to grasp, or fail to acknowledge, or fail to care about.

Is that those reasons are coming with big consequences. Whether in places like Alberta, or Ontario. Whether we are talking economic activity, and GDP growth. Or peons losing jobs, businesses or significant amounts of their normal incomes. Or where and how tax revenue gets spent or simply tax revenue going in the toilet when peons lose jobs and incomes. Sacrificing.......

Don’t believe me? Ask any small town in Ontario..who still haven’t recovered...It’s all one great big joke isn’t it?

im curious, since this all started in March 2020. Have you lost or sacrifice anything?

As for the topic.
yeah, god forbid Liberals, health officials etc rely on anything approaching statistics or data. They seem to have stats and models for the weather and Covid aplenty. But no stats or plans on how to help those thrown overboard, or even models for things like depression, divorce, substance abuse, how far this is setting have nots back, impacts on children who don’t understand why mommy and daddy are selling the house, or not seeing friends for a year...
and more

There are no facts in the Liberal paradise and no policy they put forward is fact driven.

Through the research I have done over the years it's apparent to me that the left's approach to Climate Change, COVID and other issues have nothing to do with science or reality and everything to do with a political agenda and the pursuit of power.

To the left, when dealing with issues like the transgender issue, COVID and Climate Change, science is only valuable and valid if it is consistent with their ideological dogma.

The left complains about religions and religious dogma but fail to see the similarities in their devotion to their anti-scientific leftist ideological dogma. Contrary to what they would have you believe, Atheism and the current progressivism are religions.

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Would that be kinda like the government giving out misleading information. ? What about covid 19 deaths is it misinformation? You know the people who died from covid and died with covid? There is a difference but they just all got added together . Wonder why the government would mislead the public and report more deaths from people with covid and didn't necessarily die from covid. But hey they had to keep the numbers high to keep the fear spreading.

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Guess you missed the joke.....I was talking about something other than the budget or politics at all, for that matter. I don't need proof, any proof, I have faith, that everything happens for a reason. Lol.

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I see we picked door number one ... responding with some useless information.

So I'm not sure how to interpret what you said, don't want to put words in your mouth ... can you confirm? ... you "don't need proof" (so are you saying you'll ignore the facts?) and you "have faith" (as in the budget will balance itself type faith?). Yup, sounds like a Turdeau fan. It proves my point ... Libs don't want data ... it makes it harder to get away with idiocrasy and corruption.

Very simply.

There is no reason, not one, not to believe or suspect Canada isn't heading down the same path Ontario went down. Arguably worse given the shape Ontario is in, and now Alberta/Energy. Despite crap people can see with their own eyes( Like businesses boarded up, friends out of work, people losing big chunks of their income and far far more that could be mentioned) if they are inclined to look and see with respect to the prices being paid by some. It doesn't take an economist, to think about some pretty basic things, as well as likely ripple effects.

And like Ontario, between 2006-2014ish. All some seem capable of is arguing. Not 'debating" what might be done to imporve their lot, or get the economy going. But arguing.
That's what the electorate has managed to accomplish after 14 years. Squat! That's what the so called champions of the working class have managed to do. Stand in the way of doing something for those paying the prices.

And if people think 2020/2021 is something to laugh about, or the long term effects......
It's akin to watching two adults fight and argue about who started the house the fire that their kids are stuck in, rather than doing something about it

And that's just getting started the tip of the iceberg.
No functioning parliament since this time 12 months ago...
Completly shut down to avoid a scandal
No budget in 2 years
and on
and on
and on
and on

JBEN.

"im curious, since this all started in March 2020. Have you lost or sacrifice anything?"


Yes I just got in my Omers statement and I have lost thousand's of dollars. Next question.

So has everyone else with $$ tied up in the markets. What makes you special?

Lost hours at work?
Lost your business?
Lost sales because people aren’t buying or travelling?
Lost your house?
lost your pension benefit? My bad, I didn’t realize your monthly check was 60% or 30% of what it was in 2019

What have you sacrificed.
Nothing

and at least you have savings or a pension to lose market value. The vast majority don’t.

So has everyone else with $$ tied up in the markets. What makes you special?

Reply. Nothing, but you asked if we had lost something and I gave you a reply in the positive. Next.

Lost hours at work?

Reply. N/A.
Lost your business?

Reply. N/A
Lost sales because people aren’t buying or travelling?
Reply. N/A
Lost your house?

Reply. No.
lost your pension benefit?

Reply. Which benefit.

My bad, I didn’t realize your monthly check was 60% or 30% of what it was in 2019

Reply. My monthly pension has been reduced after reaching 65 years, thanks' for asking.




What have you sacrificed.

Reply. What do you mean have I sacrificed, is being shut up for a year a sacrifice yup, losing money on investment's.

what exactly is you big sacrifice.

and at least you have savings or a pension to lose market value. The vast majority don’t.[/QUOTE]

Reply. My bad I GUESS, I must apologize to the vast majority for looking after my financial house.

p.s. Did I tell you I have another pension coming up.

Why do you quote all that crap.??

And you don’t think people being negatively affected likewise aren’t cooped up? Once again, all your doing is proving your incapable of thinking about those being thrown under the bus. Who Mr gold shield, by and large are the demographic that struggle to pay Hydro, Carbon taxes and much else that could be repeated ad naseum.

Aren’t you special....
But at least you have a roof, and income......
last sentence.
“Grats, you won the game of life..

So with respect to this thread. And government policies, lack of plans, data, and consequences for people blah blah and with the backing of their supporters

Nuff said.

You haven’t sacrificed squat Terry.