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Sad, might have had a different outcome if someone else was carrying. I wonder if it had anything to do with mask policies at the store?
looks like he got shot in the back, surprised hes walking out of there with cuffs on.
wow. a bunch of 20 year old's killed too.
Ahmad Alissa is his name apparently, a 21 year old
and a cop dead as well
https://www.newsweek.com/who-ahmad-a...injury-1578119
Sounds like more range time is in order !Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
i heard the cop who died was the first on the scene i believe,Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
idk if he went in alone or what firearm he had with him
in those situations is it shoot to kill or? hes already killed a bunch of people, i would think it would be shoot to kill but i would also assume they would want information from the guy and his reasons i guess?
Police are trained to shoot to stop the threat....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
Yes I do agree they are trained to neutralize the threat but a few that I have shot with over the years could benefit from some extra range time as a few struggled to hit the broad side of a barn.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Yet so many pro-carry people think that anyone with a gun and 10min on the range would be able to take out an attacker with no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
Bingo! Unless the carrier has been trained in combat,concealed carry can cause more trouble than it solves. How are first responding Police personnel supposed to tell who the bad guy(s) are? Unless the bad guy is killed outright,yelling "It's him over there" ain't gonna cut it. Anyone with a firearm will be ordered to the ground and non-compliance instantly gets dumped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Yes fox you are correct with that statement but when it is someone's job to protect the public with the use of deadly force one should be proficient with the tools they are given to do that job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I would like to put these pro-carry guys through good active shooter training .....it might change their mindset !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I carry most of the time - all I'm asking for is a chance to defend myself if some nutjob with a gun comes near me - the guys name tells me a lot right off the bat -
Ya, many of them do not have the training needed, let alone some random person off the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Oh just go away with the racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
2021
Atlanta shooting - Robert Aaron Long - white guy
Buffalo, Minnesota shooting - Gregory Paul Ulrich - white guy
Sunrise, Florida - David Lee Huber - white guy
2020
Don Carter Lanes - Duke Webb - white guy
just adding to the listQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Stephen Paddock - Vegas shooting
unabomber - Theodore John Kaczynski
lived in a cabin and off his own land, planted food, hunted for food.
sent bombs through the mail
Patrick Crusius - El Paso Walmart shooting
Pittsburgh synagogue shooting (2018) - Robert Bowers
When someone with a name like that shoots people the thought of terrorism comes up - that's all
Stop throwing the race card around -Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
As Joe said. It's the right to defend myself if it ever comes down to that.
Noone knows whats it's like to be shot at, The sound of gun fire when you know the bullets are directed at you will shake up anyone. I don't care how much pro gun training you have.
Hell I know some pretty damn good paper punchers that get all shaken up when buck or coyote walks out in front of them.
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Thankfully, the vast majority of officers retire without having to use deadly force...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
These are actually rather startling statistics:
https://i.imgur.com/vtkgSnxl.jpg
a little blurry...the original:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...hooter-s-race/
Your talking mass shootings - what about the shootings that involve one or two people -
i dont think Muslim's will be on the top of that list either joepaQuote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Doesn't it make you think - someone kills 10 people and it makes the news all over the world - while each week thousands get shot in our big cities like Chicago , Philly, Baltimore and St Louis and you hardly hear about it - you add all those killings and it far outnumbers the victims of mass shootings - oh well - all I can say is be careful and be street smart
We are going to come to the realization that a lot of these mass shootings aren't just by chance.
https://youtu.be/AkE-QBGVDGI
I looked up on google - homicides in 2020 - in Chicago 769 - in Baltimore 335 - in St Louis 262 - in Philadelphia 500 -
So you do not consider the Oklahoma city bombing a terrorist attack? Or do terrorists have to be brown?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Exactly, white men of meansQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Bet more than a few of them, believed some sort of crazy conspiracy theory.
One day they will beQuote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
While sometimes we chafe under Canadian gun laws it is incidents like this that show their benefits. The Colorado shooter would most likely not qualify for a PAL due to his criminal background. Even if he did he could not legally buy the weapon or magazine he used. Nor would he be able to easily and legally stroll around in public and into a Canadian supermarket with an assault-style rifle slung over his shoulder.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/bo...ect/index.html
There are most likely just as many mentally disturbed and potentially violent people per capita in Canada as the U.S.A. The difference is that here it is far more difficult for them to get deadly weapons than in America.
Did you guys even watch the footage at the grocery store posted above?Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Lets try this again.
I'll assume most of you hunt, watch the video above and explain the level of sharpshooting this guy accomplished. Not to mention, no panic anywhere!
There's 3 dead on the ground with no sign of blood. The point of impact from the bullets are likely where?
Who it their right mind wouldn't tend to a person lying 10 feet inside the store doors when you're right there? A person more interested in the story that's who.
Time to walk up folks!!!
Interesting some of the statistics on there, California has the highest rate per capita, fists/feet kill more than rifles and shotguns combined (alot of unknown firearm types though). Handguns far exceed anything but I couldn't find recent gang numbers on there, the one I found was almost 10 years old but the number was almost 3,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-weapon-used/
We will see, it will likely take watching 2 or 3 news coverages to get a fairly good idea of the facts though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
You see people more interested in their phone and taking the pictures than the reality going on around them. I have heard war photographers describe the same thing that they are busy taking pictures and the threat and reality don't click until later. That and people seem to have lost alot of their empathy and even attachment to the people and community around them, emotionally and mentally detached or pure narcissists. Watch many of the youtube videos, you will see people just taping instead of helping or warning those injured or about to be injured!
Or a person who is in their right mind and is more interested in finding cover and concealment in an active shooter situation than playing amateur paramedic. Unless you're someone I care about deeply you're being left where you fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Listen when a guy with a name like Ahamd Al Aliwi Alissa shoots up a place one of the things most people wonder if this is a terrorist attack - why? - because terrorists have been shooting and bombing all over the world - have you forgotten 9/11 or the thousands of shooting and bombings that occurred all over Europe and the Middle East - race has nothing to do with it - Fox called me a racist even though I didn't mention anything about race in my post - I wish he would think before typing if he is capable of doing that - his post on the subject of dogs - "all dogs kill" pretty much the shows his lack of discernment - let's leave it at that -
Like some other topics this one always comes up. I fall back on the death of Vu Pham, who after firing one shot was shot in the head by an advancing Fred Preston.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
The second officer Del Mercy ( A hunter) started trading shots with Preston. I forget the exact nitty grittys, but also have talked with a friend ( now retired OPP from that region). If If recall correctly Mercy basically emptied his gun and magazines. Want to say the number of casings was in the 30s.... Hitting 70 yr old Preston 6 or 7 times before the final shot which was a ricochet off the pavement hit Preston in the head.........
Yet somehow people think they aren't susceptible to such things as adrenaline and fear when paper and deer start shooting back
I think the point is when ANYONE goes into a super market and shoots a bunch of people do you not think terrorism automatically? Or do you wait to hear the name of the guy to make your assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
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WTH are you talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
The video is displaying a POS human that would rather hold a phone than check for vitals.
Surprised you don't say, that they are part of the conspiracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
I've long given up on the thought that you might understand anything in today's reality.
I wanna know why all these fackin videos are always dog poop quality. All these people who are there always have a flip phone to record. Thanks for the video, does raise some flags as to why the hell those 3 guys are just standing there like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
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Standing there gawking taking video is completely stupid but not the sign of some deep state conspiracy. When the shooting starts and you're in no position to stop it GTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
So, ignore that there's no sign of gunshot trauma, no panic in anyone's face and some clown who happens to be just narrating an active shooting and nobody is paying attention to him. Lmao.
Well I guess as long as your knowledge provider tells you to follow the script, you're good to go.
Just so you know, there are millions around the world as we speak that can't understand how the sheep won't wake the puck up.
Just saying!
Either way, we'll see you at the finish line.
How about Nova Scotia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
The key word that I used twice in my post is "legally." The Nova Scotia shooter didn't just stroll into a gun store and buy an assault-style rifle. He had to have it smuggled in and then acquired the ammo illegally.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
Question,JoePa. Given the carnage of mass shootings,street murders and the current position on 2A that's become,quite clearly, completely untenable and defying all logic and common sense,at what point would you think Americans need to consider serious restrictions on firearm acquisition and ownership?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-ethnicities/Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Almost identical
The second amendment isn't about firearm acquisition and ownership....it's about preventing tyranny.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Which Americans expect to mean armed to the teeth. The 2A also says
A well regulated militia.
Not.
Lol I love how off track this has become [emoji23]
Serious restrictions on firearm acquisition and ownership? - only if the person is insane or a criminal with a record - only with the ability to have firearms can people protect their freedom - history has shown that the first thing any dictator or evil government -will do is confiscate guns and disarm the citizens - there are plenty of examples throughout history where the government enslaved its citizens because they didn't have the means to fight back - unfortunately that freedom has a price when someone uses a firearm to harm innocent people - I have in the past told of this incident - years ago at a local college a survivor of the holocaust gave a talk - after finishing he fielded questions from the audience - one individual ask him why the Jews didn't fight against the Nazis when they saw what was happening - the survivor's response - "with what they took all our guns" - our forefathers knew the value of citizens having the right to resist a evil government that's why we have the second amendment to our constitution - I think it is a God given right for one to be able to protect one's self and family from evil people - I feel so strong about this I would never give up that right - and remember one thing the first step to confiscation is registration - I hope that I answered your question - am a proud member of the NRAQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" - the Bill of Rights to the constitution were written to protect the people from the government - there have been several cases brought before the Supreme Court dealing with the 2nd amendment - all have protected the citizens rights to bear armsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
When a government requires its citizens to register their firearms there is only one more step to be taken to disarm the citizens - I was driving behind this pickup truck one time - the guy had a rifle rack attached in front of the back window of the cab - he had a bumper sticker which read - "my wife ok - my dog maybe - my gun never"
The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the right to keep and bear arms. It was ratified on December 15, 1791
So you're telling me in 1791 they wanted to take your guns away? The reason that Bill was put into existence in the first place was so people could protect themselves from invaders when they didn't have a army or a force to protect their towns and land. You have an army. And people to protect your lands. Only reason that bill is still here is because people still think that's what it is to be a patriot.
Only 3 countries in the world protect the right to bear arms in their constitutions: theUS,Mexico, andGuatemala. So you're telling me that every other country in the world is on its way to dictatorship?
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JoePa, good to hear we still have some great neighbors to the south.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
The US, Mexico and Guatemala. Yup those are places that you are most likely to be killed, while going to the grocery store, church , school. How is that working for them?...... But , but, they get to have their guns.
How about Uyghurs in China? Not like people have guns to protect themselves against an oppressive goverment....Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Is there a constitution in China. A list of 'rights' for citizens. I think not. Guns against tanks, and everything else the military can throw against you. Apples to oranges. I don't fear the military with weapons. I fear the nut job next door who just lost his job, wife, mind, etc. More likely to be killed by him, than the government.
We are already there !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
Without a shot being fired. Guns helped how? Would armed insurrection end the lock downs? NBL.
Joe, I’m against most bans. Strongly against controls that don’t address identifiable actual problems. But why did you omit what is arguably the most important part of the second?
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Be that as it may.
In this day age, I’d love to see your militias try to stop a tyrant.
Your bringing plastic forks to a gun fight. It’s just utterly ridiculous. The Iraqi army stood a better chance. They atleast have some armour and heavy arms...:)
As for nut bars that snap.
/cry
And feeling like you can’t live without a gun on you, or in case of a couple guys from Maine I met. That wouldn’t let their wives go out unless packing. That’s not freedom, it’s living in fear and prison. Worse that fear of a tyrannical govt. because it’s real vs a bad dream that just might. Maybe, just might some day happen. And the prices your paying in gun deaths per capita. Sickening. You can move mountains, spend trillions for 2,000 that died on 9/11. But the 10 or 15,000 that die every year?
Like a few things written down by men, some people only use the ‘ good ‘ bits. They ignore the rest, or say it was taken out of context.
This sentence,alone,if presented at trial to SCOTUS in it's entirety,is ripe for interpretation as a whole,not just the last few words of the sentence. When cases regarding 2A get to be heard,it seems that the Court will only rule on EXACTLY what's being presented. I really get the feeling that lawyers just aren't asking the right questions. If the question ever came in front of our Supreme Court in that matter,2A wouldn't last 10 seconds before being struck down. JoePa mentioned about criminals and mental illness and therein lies the rub. There's no doubt the shooters were stark raving nuts. The trick is to keep them from acquiring any firearm which defies all logic in the 2A preservation arguments by national firearm rights groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
We usually think a like Trimmer.
To quote myself.
“Arguably” the most important part...
This is a very interesting topic.
Many great ideas and posts.
My 2 cents
Here on the Forum "we" do openly and vehemently protect the rights of Uyghurs in China. Condemn the Chinese Government actions against the will of the Uyghurs.
At the other hand ,we do openly promote/ask the US Government for actions against the will of the Americans.
Why does this seems at glance like an oxymoron?
I disagree with innocent people's death-but America belongs to Americans ...
Yep-i know,this Forum is just a pastime ,and we all have our opinions....:D
It might be more accurate to say, people here don’t understand or don’t agree with the US. As opposed to saying they should.
That said.
Every time there’s an event like those of this week. The howls for bans here are loud.
Every time there’s an event here, 98% of the time the guns were not legally acquired. And guess where they come from. Bill Blair ( I think it was) even referenced some tragedies there as justification for bans here.
So while we don’t have a vote there. It is one the few topics, where their lifestyle has a direct impact on Canadians
JBen - I appreciate what you are saying but think of this - there have been many instances where one man with a gun changed the course of history - the First World War was started by one man with a gun - Kennedy was shot by one man with a gun and that changed everything - if Hitler was assassinated the whole world would be different - a hand full of armed men took over Cuba - in Egypt a guy with a gun changed the Middle East - don't underestimate the people if they have a way to fight - if a dictator tried to take over the U.S. he wouldn't last long - armed Americans are in essence a militia - unfortunately people are willing to give up their freedom for the sake of safety - give me liberty or give me death - a man with a gun is a free man - men have died so you can have freedom don't give it away so easily - a bad guy with a gun is stopped by a good guy with a gun - (roll of the drums)
In every one of those references, the world was worse off, after that one shot. Are you advocating for disarming everyone? Or only shooting certain people?
Hey joe Pa,
How about we imagine a world without guns, ever given that any thought.
Think China, or North Korea. Both countries don't allow firearms for citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Imagine that...lol...
There are tons more countries NOT RUN BY DICTATORS that don't allow firearms for citizens. Imagine that LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Sound like uphoria, rainbows and Unicorns, just what trudeau wantsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Sounds like your all for it?
Imagine that..lol
Did I say I was all for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I asked joe to imagine a world without guns.
Yeah,that would be lovely,just frickin' lovely......until all the crooks start running around with knives and clubs,then,everyone would have knives and clubs to protect their homes and families. Then,along come Liberals who would want to disarm people with knives and clubs,so,only crooks would have knives and clubs................see where this is going,Gilroy? A world without firearms wouldn't change one goddam thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Well I don't know you or anything about you Joe, but the statement is racially charged. Reading the news articles left here leaves the impression of mental illness although it qualifies as domestic terrorism. The United States obsession with firearms leads me to the old adage, "you reap what you sow". It is clear that the country as a whole places the 2nd amendment above the value of the lives of its citizens. Calling it the "price of freedom" is farcical.
North Korea has vacancies, you be safer there as nobody own guns...lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
Oh and there's China to, they are more of the same, no guns, much safer place to live. No worries in both countries much more safe and free than America....
The only farce is those who don't understand freedom or are jealous they don't actually have it...lol...next
Funny enough, lived in China for 3 years. 2009-2012. Felt just as safe there as I do here. And no one walks around caring a gun. The Good Old United States of American has become... what is it that Trump called Haiti and African countries?... Oh yeah, a shirt hole country.
https://www.uscis.gov/forms/explore-my-options
Exactly why Chinese are an oppressed people in their own country. Genocide. Unable to defend themselves from tyranny.
Social scores, 24/7 monitoring, suppression of free speech.
How many millions have died? Pales in comparison to the gun deaths in the USA.
No opportunity to eject the communist regime. 2A keeps this in check from happening.
That is why the Libs are hot and horny to disarm the population.
Go back to China if you love it so much. I want nothing to do with it here.
[QUOTE-Cameracutter ]Felt just as safe there as I do here. And no one walks around caring a gun. The Good Old United States of American has become...... Oh yeah, a shirt hole country.
This is an amazing statement :
If anyone there -or the USA state itself ,hurt You any ways .....to hate them so much?
Before we carry on-PLEASE help me out and give me examples of ppl in the USA openly carrying guns(where allowed) WERE comiting murders on the streets-like out of the blue ,while walking on the street or public place , just took that nasty gun off their shoulders ,and shot up a bunch of innocent .
It’s the People’s Republic of China. An it certainly has its problems. Take for example the two Michael’s. Pawns in a government pissing match. But you won’t get shot going to a Walmart.
No,but,you could surely get plucked off the street by some political commissar and never be seen again depending on what your political philosophy is or where you happen to come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
Odds of being imprisoned and tortured for bad mouthing Commie Joe = 100%
Odds of being shot visiting a Walmart in the USA = .001%
This is an amazing statement :
If anyone there -or the USA state itself ,hurt You any ways .....to hate them so much?
Before we carry on-PLEASE help me out and give me examples of ppl in the USA openly carrying guns(where allowed) WERE comiting murders on the streets-like out of the blue ,while walking on the street or public place , just took that nasty gun off their shoulders ,and shot up a bunch of innocent .[/QUOTE]
I don’t hate anyone. Plenty of friend there. Travelled it extensively. It’s obsession with its 2nd amendment is valued more than the lives of its citizens. Not sure how I can explain any simpler. Perhaps try reading it slowly.
Nothing wrong with the second amendment . Some carry others won't it doesn't mean everyone needs to be strapped up to go to the store.
We are getting screwed in Canada banning guns from law abiding citizens. Yeah that will sure stop the gun crime then when it doesn't work we can blame our neighbors [emoji846]. Hehe .
And since this is my first reply the guy went nuts . The gun didn't go nuts the guy that lost his mind and turned it on other did that.
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In China, you can criticize the government. You can’t criticize The Party. There is a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Boulder, Colorado this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
I would also add that an armed and trained member of the public (and btw I'm all for limits on the right to conceal/open carry...such as maintaining certain # of range hours, constant criminal checks, eyesight or reflex tests, losing the privilege at a certain age, etc.) does not have to deal with the scrutiny of being examined 6 ways to Sunday by a very hostile anti-police culture that seems to be the norm these days. Here we have the SIU, and I know several officers who have hesitated to even draw their glock because of potential -- or perceived -- ramifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
Officers here use the same logic to justify our inability as homeowner's to defend our residence and family with guns. "Just call us, we're trained to deal with" doesn't always apply.
Don't get me wrong, I see the pitfalls of unrestrained guns everywhere in civilian hands. But Stats show they do prevent more crimes or worsening of a crime.
There was an example in Texas not very long ago. A man went shooting up a church and an old timer grabbed what i believe to be a rifle from the truck and ended the threat. This was a rural area where the police aren't always able to respond right away. The man is a hero. There are many such examples but they don't get any media coverage because it doesn't fit the narrative...Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
I do believe, however, that many states could definitely utilize more extensive background checks and a mandatory firearm safety course of some kind. It's weird a 17 or 18 year old can just stroll up to a sporting goods counter and slap down some cash, and walk out with a loaded gun.
Two things can be true simultaneously, and the discussion is more nuanced than just 'unlimited guns all the time!' or 'no guns ever!'
Why do we always blame the gun?
Wonder if that piece of metal was telling him he needed to go kill people. I don't think so why blame the gun it is an object that does nothing unless tampered with by someone.
Isn't there a warning in the manuals they are not toys they could cause seriously injures or cause death.
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Does not matter what i read about this sad incident-there is zero indication that the nutcake was walking up/down the street with the gun slung over his shoulder like that,and then suddenly decided to shoot up a bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
However there is a clear trail of him being paranoid and "hurt" ,clearly preparing for this tragedy.
If the US military fails to protect its people and the oath under their constitution, the 2nd Amendment allows the people to respond with their arms, the militia reference was put in there for exactly these times. 2020 was the year of vision and the people woke up to see all the lies.
All US Government agencies, from the courts down to local political officials have failed the people, the majority know it and are prepared for it. Most Americans were awake to see that their country was taken over through a stolen election that originated on foreign soil.
I don't believe it's going to reach a civil war, as the military has completed a lot of their mission to date.
The American people/patriots were asked to hold the line, it was to give the military time to clean out the shytehole. That time is running out. They wont hold the line forever, it should be an interesting few weeks.
I don’t hate anyone. Plenty of friend there. Travelled it extensively. It’s obsession with its 2nd amendment is valued more than the lives of its citizens. Not sure how I can explain any simpler. Perhaps try reading it slowly.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
It is not in the speed of reading -but in Your speed of changing topics-at one post you call a country a "shirt hole"just like that -then change the subject in the next one to 2nd amendment, and try to shake off your derogatory comment.
Nice try!
A country heading in the toilet due to their love of guns, (the second amendment reference,) verses the people in it. Apples and oranges. You made the statement I “hate” them. I don’t hate. It’s a waste of energy and time.
He walked into a store with an assault-style rifle. An act in Canada that would be responded to very differently than in the U.S. where people openly carrying deadly weapons is seen as exercising a "right."Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
IMHO the elephant in the room is mental health. The US does not even have universal healthcare so how can they deal with mental health. Even if they could then they would have to connect that to access to firearms.
Virginia Tech shooter had all the signs but ignored. Same with the NS shooter but that lies squarely on the shoulders of the RCMP for that bungle.
https://www.medpagetoday.org/psychia...s/6546?vpass=1
That happens in Saudi Arabia to an American visiting an embassy, who gets murdered and cut up with a chainsaw and nothing much is done because the Americans need the oil and the bases and make money from these terrorists.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Governments made a decision many, many years ago both here and in American that it was cheaper and better for them to not keep mentally ill folk's in a locked down facility.Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
Send them back into the community, where they will diligently take their prescribed medication and all will be fine.
Given that they are mentally unstable, can sell, have access to street drugs, have no supervision, how did anyone think this was a good idea.
The paramedics, police, firefighters ,doctors and nurses pay the price of these bad decision's every day.
The repeated call's for service/help from the mentally ill on the street's is astounding and it might be a good idea to look back at a time where these poor soul's were properly cared for in a hospital, supervised fed and housed under the same roof.
They do not leave until a psychiatrist will lay his/her job on the line that they should be released and are NOT A DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR TO OTHERS. Done.
Mental health of individuals and the mental health of an entire nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
Liberals and democrats don't want to address it because it would alienate half of their voter base.Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661