Have you had a COVID shot?

The purpose of this thread is to share information about getting the shot from people who’ve actually had it not a discussion of why anyone won’t or shouldn’t get it. Please try and stay on topic.

For those who have had the shot what was the process you went through, which vaccine did you get, where did you have to go, did you have side effects and was anything said about the second shot?

I pre-registered online with the Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph health unit on March 11, received notice to make an appointment on March 29 and booked the earliest availability which was on April 8.

The process at the clinic set up at the University of Guelph was very smooth and took 30 minutes from arrival to departure. I received the Pfizer vaccine and written and email confirmation that I’d been vaccinated with the first shot including the brand and lot number. I was told the health unit would contact me for the second shot.

The next day I had a slight stiffness in my arm and didn’t feel quite 100 percent in the morning. By the afternoon I was back to normal.

For those who’ve had the shot(s) how did it go for you?

Pretty much the same for my wife and I... little bit of a sore arm... that was it. We had ours in Apr7 in Chatham. Very well run operation there. Walked in, did the screening, next stop was the shot. We waited the requisite 15 min. Then went to another lady on our way out, to get our printout of the shot. Ours was the Pfizer vaccine. Easy process. We debated about getting it, but with elderly parents and grandkids to babysit, it was a no brainer.

I'm not sure what you expecting in an answer...it's the same flu shot scenario we get every fall...nothing in the mechanism of delivery has changed. Pretty much guarantee your going to get 95% the same answer.

i know someone who got the second shot a while ago, im not sure what company or whatever, but she was out for 2 days after she had the second one. throwing up head pounding stomach killing her etc, lasted for 2 or 3 days. she seems fine now tho.

( she got it a while ago as she works in the medical field)

Shopper's Drug Mart,registered on-line Friday,vaccine the next day for both me and the Mrs. We were fourth in line,in-out after 15 min. wait,letter of certification on the way out. The whole thing took 30 minutes after a 20 minute computer glitch trying to communicate with MOH data base. It seems it was simply swamped. We had a sore shoulder the next day and a bit of a headache,but,other than that,it was clear sailing. MOH to contact us via e-mail for the next schedule to complete the series of AstraZeneca.

Me and Mrs had appointment at a local arena, told to only show up 5 min before. We got in, registered and sat down till we were called. Got our Maderna shot and had to sit 15 min before we could leave. They told us second shot was 28 days to 16 weeks and everyone had to get vaccinated before second round. Sore arm for a few days. Very well organized and they respected distances and were constantly cleaning everything. We’re both very happy to have gotten vaccinated.

Actually, your question violates the Personal Health Information Protection Act
An FYI for the people here on this site.

"Ontario’s health privacy legislation, the Personal Health Information Protection Act (PHIPA), establishes a set of rules regarding your personal health information (PHI). PHIPA gives you the right to:

-be informed of the reasons for the collection, use and disclosure of your personal health information;
-be notified of the theft or loss or of the unauthorized use or disclosure of your personal health information;
-refuse or give consent to the collection, use or disclosure of your personal health information, except in certain circumstances;"

https://www.ipc.on.ca/health-individ...ts-in-ontario/

Got my first shot 3 weeks ago Pfizer , on the recommendation of a 96 year old client of mine made sure put it on the arm I don't sleep on. Was up in Brampton Oster something or other? Was well run felt like any buffet service line. Second appointment is being bounced around was set for next week than moved to July 1st however won't work for me so trying to arrange a more convenient day(booking second shot seems hard than the first but can't blame them as it is an everchanging circumstance). Other than the arm feeling like it was bruised no ill effect noted.
With death off the table think I'm pretty good to go now.

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Actually, your question violates the Personal Health Information Protection Act
An FYI for the people here on this site.

"Ontario’s health privacy legislation, the Personal Health Information Protection Act (PHIPA), establishes a set of rules regarding your personal health information (PHI). PHIPA gives you the right to:

-be informed of the reasons for the collection, use and disclosure of your personal health information;
-be notified of the theft or loss or of the unauthorized use or disclosure of your personal health information;
-refuse or give consent to the collection, use or disclosure of your personal health information, except in certain circumstances;"

https://www.ipc.on.ca/health-individ...ts-in-ontario/

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Wonder if this actually applicable as for the most part no personal identifiers is used as most use alias for the forum name.

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Wonder if this actually applicable as for the most part no personal identifiers is used as most use alias for the forum name.

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It isn't applicable because real names are not used and anyone who doesn't want to share the information is under no obligation.

I had mine yesterday- Pfizer . No side effects yet , just a slightly sore arm. Well organized clinic; took 30 minutes. Takes about 3 weeks to be completely effective , so I'll be staying in till then, except for getting out with the dog. You still have to be very careful after the vaccine, but I shouldn't end up in the hospital or ICU. Second shot in 4 weeks. As someone who went through the polio era, I'm very thankful for a vaccine.

Government: don’t worry it’s your choice to get the vaccine!
Also government: we will limit your rights and restrict your freedoms because you didn’t get the vaccine your now second-class citizens.

No I haven't.
Considering you can still get COVID19, transmit COVID19 and die of COVID19 AFTER being vaccinated*, not to mention that there are no long term studies on this new type of procedure, I think I will pass.
The risks do not outweigh the benefits.
People should review the Pfizer.com website on the vax* and see the list of conditions that they say exempt people from getting it.
It's a pretty long list including those who have had Covid19 and recovered from it. The vax* could mess up your natural immune system in this case.

For those who have got the shot it would be great to post when you are contacted for your second shot.

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For those who have got the shot it would be great to post when you are contacted for your second shot.

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It would also be great for people that are fully vaccinated to let others know when their restrictions are lifted and they can take off their masks and return to normal like our government has told us would happen.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/9568...9107547291366/

HaHa....

https://i.imgur.com/jGSNWosl.jpg

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For those who have got the shot it would be great to post when you are contacted for your second shot.

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Here in London they set up the second shot when you get your first- 4 weeks , same vaccine- Pfizer.


(PS Just answering your question; not looking for verbal abuse from non vaccinators.)

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

It would also be great for people that are fully vaccinated to let others know when their restrictions are lifted and they can take off their masks and return to normal like our government has told us would happen.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/9568...9107547291366/

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Big paper you get . Some of it is:

"Fully vaccinated people can can visit other vaccinated people indoors /outdoors without mask or physical distancing.
You can skip quarantining and testing if exposed to someone who has/gets Covid 19 but are asymptomatic , but should quarantine if you hear you visited someone who got sick with the Covid.
This means that vaccinated grandparents may feel comfortable visiting their unvaccinated grandchildren.
Avoid travel." quote

etc.. etc

PS Just answering your question; not looking for verbal abuse from non vaccinators.

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Originally Posted by Sharon

Big paper you get . Some of it is:

"Fully vaccinated people can can visit other vaccinated people indoors /outdoors without mask or physical distancing.
You can skip quarantining and testing if exposed to someone who has/gets Covid 19 but are asymptomatic , but should quarantine if you hear you visited someone who got sick with the Covid.
This means that vaccinated grandparents may feel comfortable visiting their unvaccinated grandchildren.
Avoid travel." quote

etc.. etc

PS Just answering your question; not looking for verbal abuse from non vaccinators.

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I read the same article and found it very encouraging. The full answer on restrictions will come when everyone who wants to be vaccinated is fully vaccinated.

We can however look to nations that are further ahead of Canada for the answer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-56713639

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Non-essential shops and beauty salons have opened in England and Wales for the first time in months, as Covid rules are eased across the UK

Many shops are staying open late to try to avoid crowded peak times - but long queues still formed outside some outlets during the day

England's gyms, zoos and hairdressers have also reopened, with restaurants and pubs now serving customers outside

Pupils returned to school full time in Scotland and Wales, while Northern Ireland's "stay-at-home" order is ending

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How good is it there? Yesterday the UK, a country of 66 million people, had 2,505 new cases. Today, Ontario, a province with 14.5 million had 4,156.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/united-kingdom

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Originally Posted by Sharon

Big paper you get . Some of it is:

"Fully vaccinated people can can visit other vaccinated people indoors /outdoors without mask or physical distancing.
You can skip quarantining and testing if exposed to someone who has/gets Covid 19 but are asymptomatic , but should quarantine if you hear you visited someone who got sick with the Covid.
This means that vaccinated grandparents may feel comfortable visiting their unvaccinated grandchildren.
Avoid travel." quote

etc.. etc

PS Just answering your question; not looking for verbal abuse from non vaccinators.

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Vaccination is everybody's own choice. If being vaccinated makes you feel safe and happy, that's great, that's all that matters.

Down here restrictions remain for fully vaccinated individuals living under care. Isolated to their rooms if even one case is linked to the residence. Not even able to interact with other fully vaccinated residents. Vaccinated or not you still have to wear your mask in all public spaces like grocery, shopping stores.

Personally I don't feel theses vaccines are any more than a yearly flu shot, shots. I really have to wonder why these vaccines only last possibly a year. I'm not really that fond of taking a couple annual shots for a single flu virus. What's even more alarming is how this single flu virus has made experimental drugs being approved by our government, while 28 other countries have banned it. Mean while our government is buying up approving and giving it to Canadians.

I have other therapeutics and life choice that make me feel safe and healthy. For now I will pass on the yearly vaccine for Covid

Excellent post. Thank you.

I have no problem getting the Vaccine and I will prefer the Pfizer. Why because it has been the most widely used, with the best results and the best data. I know four people that have had the Pfizer vaccine. No issues and extra toe or extra finger growing. My parents were suppose to get it this week but no Vaccines left right now, my wife is registered but has not had hers she has told them she will only take the Pfizer.

Hopefully I will get mine (Both on time, I don't believe in half jobs) before Nov as I want to go see my daughter's family (my two grand daughters).

But I will say at the current rate it is not possible to vaccinate every Canadian even by 2022.

Although I do enjoy this working from home.

Speaking of vaccine results....

"The South African variant of the coronavirus is notably more adept at “breaking through” the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine than other variants are, Israeli scientists have found, in a first-of-its-kind real-world study."

"Israel has used the Pfizer vaccine almost exclusively to vaccinate millions of citizens, with a version by Moderna, based on similar innovative mRNA technology, used minimally."

"A team from Tel Aviv University and the Clalit healthcare organization sequenced the swabs of 150 Israelis who tested positive for COVID-19 despite having been vaccinated."

"In their study, the prevalence of the South African strain among vaccinated individuals who were infected despite their inoculation was eight times higher than its prevalence in the unvaccinated infected population."

"Though the number of such infections among the vaccinated was relatively small, the findings indicated that this variant was far more successful in getting through vaccinated individuals’ defenses than other strains."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/real-w...ssing-vaccine/

Not sure your point, essentially your showing that it is very effective over all. You do realize that no Vaccine is perfect. Including all that exist now.

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Speaking of vaccine results....

"The South African variant of the coronavirus is notably more adept at “breaking through” the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine than other variants are, Israeli scientists have found, in a first-of-its-kind real-world study."

"Israel has used the Pfizer vaccine almost exclusively to vaccinate millions of citizens, with a version by Moderna, based on similar innovative mRNA technology, used minimally."

"A team from Tel Aviv University and the Clalit healthcare organization sequenced the swabs of 150 Israelis who tested positive for COVID-19 despite having been vaccinated."

"In their study, the prevalence of the South African strain among vaccinated individuals who were infected despite their inoculation was eight times higher than its prevalence in the unvaccinated infected population."

"Though the number of such infections among the vaccinated was relatively small, the findings indicated that this variant was far more successful in getting through vaccinated individuals’ defenses than other strains."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/real-w...ssing-vaccine/

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Watching the TV yesterday saying many of the vaccination clinics have closed, due to lack of vaccines available. At the rate of vaccination our country won't be fully vaccinated by the time others that have been vaccinated will be looking for their yearly re-vaccination.

Our federal government has failed Canadians miserably when it come to vaccine roll out and protecting Canadians. Maybe after another year or two of lockdowns the people will start to wake up how much of a failure Trudeau is.

https://youtu.be/eM612Qx3Ol0
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Had the Pfizer vaccine yesterday in Ottawa. My wife is Metis so we used the City run Aboriginal clinic here. Sore arm for both of us this morning but she did have some pins and needles in her arm right after the shot and she was monitored at the clinic for about 45 minutes total and then set home with instructions.

Overall, well run clinic from registration to checkout. The Wabano Indigenous Center was there handing out snacks and water after the shots were administered.

Quite normal my wife gets a sore every time she gets the flu shot. Some people have reactions and some have none.
I'm someone who never gets any of the side affects (Knock wood) my wife gets them all.

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Had the Pfizer vaccine yesterday in Ottawa. My wife is Metis so we used the City run Aboriginal clinic here. Sore arm for both of us this morning but she did have some pins and needles in her arm right after the shot and she was monitored at the clinic for about 45 minutes total and then set home with instructions.

Overall, well run clinic from registration to checkout. The Wabano Indigenous Center was there handing out snacks and water after the shots were administered.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

I read the same article and found it very encouraging. The full answer on restrictions will come when everyone who wants to be vaccinated is fully vaccinated.

We can however look to nations that are further ahead of Canada for the answer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-56713639



How good is it there? Yesterday the UK, a country of 66 million people, had 2,505 new cases. Today, Ontario, a province with 14.5 million had 4,156.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/united-kingdom

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Or, it could be said the virus has already run through most of the high density areas, leaving much of the population with natural immunity. There are 66 million people living on an island smaller than Ontario after all. They have around 4.5 million reported cases. As we found out in Canada last year, reported cases versus actual cases aren't even close. It was found to be about 4x higher than reported in Ontario through antibody tests. Look it up.

There are arguably more people in the UK with natural immunity than have been fully vaccinated, so let's not jump to conclusions about how effective it is yet.

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Natural immunity doesn't always cut it. In fact being vaccinated doesn't always cut it but does help. You can still get chicken pox, measles etc but it is much rarer. Nothing is perfect.

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Or, it could be said the virus has already run through most of the high density areas, leaving much of the population with natural immunity. There are 66 million people living on an island smaller than Ontario after all. They have around 4.5 million reported cases. As we found out in Canada last year, reported cases versus actual cases aren't even close. It was found to be about 4x higher than reported in Ontario through antibody tests. Look it up.

There are arguably more people in the UK with natural immunity than have been fully vaccinated, so let's not jump to conclusions about how effective it is yet.

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Interesting, Kelowna Gym slaps a Twister on the vaxed.
https://www.kelownanow.com/watercool...en_vaccinated/

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Natural immunity doesn't always cut it. In fact being vaccinated doesn't always cut it but does help. You can still get chicken pox, measles etc but it is much rarer. Nothing is perfect.

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It appears to be cutting it.

You think a vaccine that has been trickled out for a few months is having more of an effect than the natural immunity that would be achieved from a virus that has been there for 3 or 4 times as long?

The population of the UK has become physically more tolerant of covid (closer to herd immunity) than we are. Plain and simple.

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As I have said before Science and Medical Science has come along ways since 1930's 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and even the 1980's and 90's.

Please back that up with links that are not from discredited DR's or Scientist.

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It appears to be cutting it.

You think a vaccine that has been trickled out for a few months is having more of an effect than the natural immunity that would be achieved from a virus that has been there for 3 or 4 times as long?

The population of the UK has become physically more tolerant of covid (closer to herd immunity) than we are. Plain and simple.

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But going to the Gym on Steroids is OK LOL.

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Interesting, Kelowna Gym slaps a Twister on the vaxed.
https://www.kelownanow.com/watercool...en_vaccinated/

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As I have said before Science and Medical Science has come along ways since 1930's 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and even the 1980's and 90's.

Please back that up with links that are not from discredited DR's or Scientist.

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It's my opinion, no links. Same as you post yours here nonstop, and "discredited" isn't exactly a word I trust from those using it these days. Funny that you've become so trusting of government, given your signature line. That's called cherry picking you know.

You like bets. I'll bet you a 50 dollar Tim's card at Christmas all of the current vaccines are useless by then.

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Who does yoga on steroids?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-ha...il-11613669731

Unlike you I do research, as well being a DBA I am pretty good at reading data.

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Self medicating again? Show me where steroids are mentioned or are you just another one of those discredited doctors?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-ha...il-11613669731

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Sure I will bet 50 bucks but the money goes to a Charity how about for diabetes or Cystic Fibrosis.

Must post a copy of the receipt on this site.

Deadline is Dec 1'st 2021.

For Discredited DR's it is not my opinion usually it is the Medical Society.

Also A chiropractor is not a Medical Dr.

I have never said I trusted the government not once but I do trust Science and I can read.

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It's my opinion, no links. Same as you post yours here nonstop, and "discredited" isn't exactly a word I trust from those using it these days. Funny that you've become so trusting of government, given your signature line. That's called cherry picking you know.

You like bets. I'll bet you a 50 dollar Tim's card at Christmas all of the current vaccines are useless by then.

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Sure I will bet 50 bucks but the money goes to a Charity how about for diabetes or Cystic Fibrosis.

Must post a copy of the receipt on this site.

Deadline is Dec 1'st 2021.

For Discredited DR's it is not my opinion usually it is the Medical Society.

Also A chiropractor is not a Medical Dr.

I have never said I trusted the government not once but I do trust Science and I can read.

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You're on. Charity of the loser's choice? Mine would go to the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society of Canada.

I never said a word about chiropractors... and likewise, I just don't think we're reading the same things.

We took the same pathology classes in school greatwhite, you know that viruses have a few billion years head start on vaccine technology. We'll see how it unfolds.

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Unlike you I do research, as well being a DBA I am pretty good at reading data.

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Reading data is easy, absorbing it and critical thinking are a little different. Regurgitating alphabet soup on steroids has jaded your cognitive ability to recognize the facts when the data has been presented to you, instead you suggest, assume, and believe you are telepathic.

Well this thread made it 4 whole days before taken off the rails by anti-vaxxers. The intent was to have a discussion among people who've received the vaccine and compare notes on the process and the experience. I hope more people who've received the vaccine will post and provide updates on the second shot when they get them.

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Well this thread made it 4 whole days before taken off the rails by anti-vaxxers. The intent was to have a discussion among people who've received the vaccine and compare notes on the process and the experience. I hope more people who've received the vaccine will post and provide updates on the second shot when they get them.

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Your understanding (or lack thereof) of what an "anti-vaxxer" is is downright ridiculous, and if you wanted to tailor your responses you could have asked for PM's.

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But going to the Gym on Steroids is OK LOL.

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Do you know anything about steroids?...lol. are you going to tell us they are bad or dangerous.?..lmao

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Your understanding (or lack thereof) of what an "anti-vaxxer" is is downright ridiculous, and if you wanted to tailor your responses you could have asked for PM's.

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Have you had the shot? If yes then feel free to tell us how it went for you. If not then perhaps you might start a new thread where you and the doubters and/or uncertain can discuss the merits of "herd immunity," yoga gyms, steroids and other unrelated matters.

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Well this thread made it 4 whole days before taken off the rails by anti-vaxxers. The intent was to have a discussion among people who've received the vaccine and compare notes on the process and the experience. I hope more people who've received the vaccine will post and provide updates on the second shot when they get them.

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Here's an update, fully vaccinated people are still living under the same restrictions as the un-vaccinated. Nothing to see here, move along keep your mask on just because your vaccinated doesn't mean you can ignore restrictions.
https://youtu.be/53pNegyiFnY

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Have you had the shot? If yes then feel free to tell us how it went for you. If not then perhaps you might start a new thread where you and the doubters and/or uncertain can discuss the merits of "herd immunity," yoga gyms, steroids and other unrelated matters.

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Newsflash genius, you derailed your own thread when you posted your opinion on how well the vaccine is working in the UK in post #19. If you're going to post your OPINION on that matter, and not just discuss who got the shot and when and how you felt (as was the intent of your thread), then expect a rebuttal on your opinion if someone doesn't agree.

As for the shot, no I have not received it as I am currently ineligible at 45 years old. I may be contacted ahead of time as I work in food production, but I'll wait until more long term data on the available vaccines becomes available. There's no hurry on my end, I'm not concerned about catching the virus. Right now, it feels like I'm being coerced into taking the vaccine, so I won't.

I have had all the standard vaccines to date, yet you want to label me an "anti-vaxxer" because I question the panic/vs need for these covid vaccines. I passed on the H1N1 vaccine from a while back and I never get the seasonal flu shot as I've never had issues getting over colds or flu and I don't feel that I NEED a flu shot or covid shot. Maybe you think I do, but that's your issue not mine.

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Newsflash genius, you derailed your own thread when you posted your opinion on how well the vaccine is working in the UK in post #19. If you're going to post your OPINION on that matter, and not just discuss who got the shot and when and how you felt (as was the intent of your thread), then expect a rebuttal on your opinion if someone doesn't agree.

As for the shot, no I have not received it as I am currently ineligible at 45 years old. I may be contacted ahead of time as I work in food production, but I'll wait until more long term data on the available vaccines becomes available. There's no hurry on my end, I'm not concerned about catching the virus. Right now, it feels like I'm being coerced into taking the vaccine, so I won't.

I have had all the standard vaccines to date, yet you want to label me an "anti-vaxxer" because I question the panic/vs need for these covid vaccines. I passed on the H1N1 vaccine from a while back and I never get the seasonal flu shot as I've never had issues getting over colds or flu and I don't feel that I NEED a flu shot or covid shot. Maybe you think I do, but that's your issue not mine.

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My post was to support information from a member who has who has been vaccinated about the potential benefits of getting the shot which the people who've received the vaccination might want to know.

I don't care whether you or anyone else gets the vaccine. My interest is in the process and experience of people who are getting the vaccine and very much appreciate the input from those who've been vaccinated and look forward to them returning with news on their second shot.

I haven't had the shot yet as I am waiting, my wife signed up but it is on hold due to not enough vaccines which Trudeau swore up and down would be here no later then March (after he lied about Feb). My parents in NB and Uncles in NS something all waiting as there are very few vaccines that Trudeau promised.

In my honest opinion Trudeau is now guilt of every covid death.

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Have you had the shot? If yes then feel free to tell us how it went for you. If not then perhaps you might start a new thread where you and the doubters and/or uncertain can discuss the merits of "herd immunity," yoga gyms, steroids and other unrelated matters.

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My post was to support information from a member who has who has been vaccinated about the potential benefits of getting the shot which the people who've received the vaccination might want to know.

I don't care whether you or anyone else gets the vaccine. My interest is in the process and experience of people who are getting the vaccine and very much appreciate the input from those who've been vaccinated and look forward to them returning with news on their second shot.

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Supported with your opinion and speculation, which you deem unacceptable from anyone else in YOUR thread.

Anyway... I know quite a few people who have had the shot so far between my age (healthcare workers) and mid sixties. One, a woman in her early sixties, spent the day after in bed with a headache and fatigue, but most reported side effects have just been sore arm for a day. These are a few guys I know from work in their early sixties and they got the AstraZeneca. So far, I don't know anyone who has had both shots.



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So far, I don't know anyone who has had both shots.



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My parents are in their late 80s (88 and 86) and have had both. No issues. Neither of them have any health issues and still live on their own on the farm and both still drive so not sure they are the best sample.

My mom (81 yesterday) received her first dose March 7th, had an appointment booked then for around the 28th of March , was called and cancelled just 2 days before her 2nd shot. Now the powers that be , not the makers of the magic juice , have decided she can wait a lot longer then 21 days to receive her 2nd dose, not sure when that will be though.
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My post was to support information from a member who has who has been vaccinated about the potential benefits of getting the shot which the people who've received the vaccination might want to know.
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There are no benefits as of yet. Our PM has made it crystal clear in the house of commons, vaccines are not enough, we still have to maintain restrictions like wearing masks and distancing.

Not sure what your asking of the forum when vaccinated or not, the benefits do not change, only the chance of less severe symptoms if you get sick.

Our company just came out with a vaccination Thank You Program. Show proof of vaccination and receive a $350.00 bonus. That sounds good to me. Supposedly a bunch of different companies have started this program.

Well that sucks, I work as a contractor who's going to give me 350.00 bucks.

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Our company just came out with a vaccination Thank You Program. Show proof of vaccination and receive a $350.00 bonus. That sounds good to me. Supposedly a bunch of different companies have started this program.

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Our company just came out with a vaccination Thank You Program. Show proof of vaccination and receive a $350.00 bonus. That sounds good to me. Supposedly a bunch of different companies have started this program.

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That's just asking for a lawsuit. Far too many reasons not to get a vaccine that are perfectly acceptable..i; any recovered Covid patients don't need a vaccine. That is why even the Village Idiot is backing down on making Passports a requirement..it will end up being a challenged charter issue.

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There are no benefits as of yet. Our PM has made it crystal clear in the house of commons, vaccines are not enough, we still have to maintain restrictions like wearing masks and distancing.

Not sure what your asking of the forum when vaccinated or not, the benefits do not change, only the chance of less severe symptoms if you get sick.

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Your first and last sentences in this post contradict each other. Not suffering the most severe symptoms is definitely a benefit.

To the topic-I have received my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine two months ago. The immediate sense of having done something that could benefit both myself and others was palpable. Soreness - but not at injection site. It was at elbow and shoulder. Mild headache. Very mild fever — just enough to keep me from passing screening at work — for about 36 hours.
I work within a Phase one setting. I have managed three different congregate care outbreaks that involved healthy people that followed IPAC measures. Unfortunately the real world does not — and we all have to travel to and from work, go out for groceries and live with our families (and by extension with everyone else they encounter)
Vaccination - to me - is one of the few things that I can control that can most likely make a difference.

I also have an 85 year old mother with diabetes and a heart condition that thinks Tucker Carlson is the world’s best journalist/news broadcaster. I fear for her.

I’ll check back in in early June after 2nd dose. My early March appt was postponed.

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Your first and last sentences in this post contradict each other. Not suffering the most severe symptoms is definitely a benefit.

To the topic-I have received my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine two months ago. The immediate sense of having done something that could benefit both myself and others was palpable. Soreness - but not at injection site. It was at elbow and shoulder. Mild headache. Very mild fever — just enough to keep me from passing screening at work — for about 36 hours.
I work within a Phase one setting. I have managed three different congregate care outbreaks that involved healthy people that followed IPAC measures. Unfortunately the real world does not — and we all have to travel to and from work, go out for groceries and live with our families (and by extension with everyone else they encounter)
Vaccination - to me - is one of the few things that I can control that can most likely make a difference.

I also have an 85 year old mother with diabetes and a heart condition that thinks Tucker Carlson is the world’s best journalist/news broadcaster. I fear for her.

I’ll check back in in early June after 2nd dose. My early March appt was postponed.

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Well Tucker is better than most of what we have in Canada atleast, there are a few exceptions like Brian Lilley and a few others but the rest in Canada are just Tru-Annon cult worshippers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPpzFIxZaA

Facts are just something the Tru-annon cult in the media in Canada won't use and as usual Justlied ignores the whole picture, fact Israel has higher vaccination rates and has been reducing restrictions.... that's why Justlied picked the UK. There are atleast 30 or 40 countries that have more vaccinated than Canada due to their incompetence but hey, facts and LIbErals.

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Your first and last sentences in this post contradict each other. Not suffering the most severe symptoms is definitely a benefit.

To the topic-I have received my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine two months ago. The immediate sense of having done something that could benefit both myself and others was palpable. Soreness - but not at injection site. It was at elbow and shoulder. Mild headache. Very mild fever — just enough to keep me from passing screening at work — for about 36 hours.
I work within a Phase one setting. I have managed three different congregate care outbreaks that involved healthy people that followed IPAC measures. Unfortunately the real world does not — and we all have to travel to and from work, go out for groceries and live with our families (and by extension with everyone else they encounter)
Vaccination - to me - is one of the few things that I can control that can most likely make a difference.

I also have an 85 year old mother with diabetes and a heart condition that thinks Tucker Carlson is the world’s best journalist/news broadcaster. I fear for her.

I’ll check back in in early June after 2nd dose. My early March appt was postponed.

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I said you have a chance of less severe symptoms is all.

My wife has two employees off work, one is off work with both parents sick with covid and both having severe symptoms. Both have been fully vaccinated over a month ago.

If you really belive the vaccine are whats needed to get us out of this pandemic maybe you should hear what your PM has to say about the vaccine your taking. He has no faith that they will work and has no reason to lift restrictions on those who are fully vaccinated. You have more faith in vaccines than the government who is giving it to you.

The drug makers and our government dont agree with the amount of time in-between first and second shots required. The only reason is because our government has failed to acquire enough vaccine so the times of vaccination has severely increased.

Truth be told Vaccines are not enough, not my words, our PM's

https://youtu.be/53pNegyiFnY

I'd prefer to hear the facts from anyone but PM Silly Socks then make my own decision.

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Well that sucks, I work as a contractor who's going to give me 350.00 bucks.

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I’m sure being a contractor has its perks....

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That's just asking for a lawsuit. Far too many reasons not to get a vaccine that are perfectly acceptable..i; any recovered Covid patients don't need a vaccine. That is why even the Village Idiot is backing down on making Passports a requirement..it will end up being a challenged charter issue.

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Why a lawsuit? If you don’t want to get a shot that’s your decision and they can’t to nothing about it. For those that choose to get a shot, you get a bonus. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything they don’t want to.

Here is what a doctor wrote - "I had Covid - I didn't enjoy it . It was a nasty cold for two days. Unrelenting butt/low back aches. very low energy and low grade fever - It was weird not being able to smell anything for a couple days - a week later coffee still tasted a little off - but I survived - Now it appears (as always has) that I have beautiful , natural, life long immunity not something likely to wear off in a few months if I get the vaccine -= In my body and my household Covid is over - In fact now that I've had it there is evidence the Corvid vaccine might actually be more dangerous for me "

"World's leading vaccinologist is sounding the alarm (Geert Vanden Bossche)- here is the biggest reason this Covid vaccine doesn't make sense - When someone who is very pro vaccine, who has spent his entire professional career overseeing the development of vaccines is shouting from the mountaintops that we have a major problem - I think the man should be heard - why Covid vaccines may be accelerating the mutation of the virus - why th vaccines may be creating vaccine-resistant viruses and why because of previous problems with antibody dependent enhancement we may be looking at a mass casualty event in the next few months/years " - Christian Elliot - 4/16/2021(True WholeHuman)

The big problem is that we can't trust people or governments anymore - who knows how this Covid thing will turn out - you. heard all kind of things that just confuses everyone - vaccine only lasts 6 months- you need a 3rd shot - if you get the shot and then get Covid it will be worst than if you didn't get the shot - blood clots - bad batches of vaccine - pharmaceuticals making billions on keeping people vaccines - no liability - on and on

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Here is what a doctor wrote - "I had Covid - I didn't enjoy it . It was a nasty cold for two days. Unrelenting butt/low back aches. very low energy and low grade fever - It was weird not being able to smell anything for a couple days - a week later coffee still tasted a little off - but I survived - Now it appears (as always has) that I have beautiful , natural, life long immunity not something likely to wear off in a few months if I get the vaccine -= In my body and my household Covid is over - In fact now that I've had it there is evidence the Corvid vaccine might actually be more dangerous for me "

"World's leading vaccinologist is sounding the alarm (Geert Vanden Bossche)- here is the biggest reason this Covid vaccine doesn't make sense - When someone who is very pro vaccine, who has spent his entire professional career overseeing the development of vaccines is shouting from the mountaintops that we have a major problem - I think the man should be heard - why Covid vaccines may be accelerating the mutation of the virus - why th vaccines may be creating vaccine-resistant viruses and why because of previous problems with antibody dependent enhancement we may be looking at a mass casualty event in the next few months/years " - Christian Elliot - 4/16/2021(True WholeHuman)

The big problem is that we can't trust people or governments anymore - who knows how this Covid thing will turn out - you. heard all kind of things that just confuses everyone - vaccine only lasts 6 months- you need a 3rd shot - if you get the shot and then get Covid it will be worst than if you didn't get the shot - blood clots - bad batches of vaccine - pharmaceuticals making billions on keeping people vaccines - no liability - on and on

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google the name Geert Bossche and you will find that hes a veterenarian. Not a vaccinologist. But keep shouting from the mountaintops lol

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google the name Geert Bossche and you will find that hes a veterenarian. Not a vaccinologist. But keep shouting from the mountaintops lol

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https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

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google the name Geert Bossche and you will find that hes a veterenarian. Not a vaccinologist. But keep shouting from the mountaintops lol

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Your information is totally biased. Vets do due diligence on testing vaccine on animals before they are rolled out to humans. An important step that has been omitted with these emergency gene therapy drugs release to the public. Everyone taking the vaccine is a de-facto guinea pig.

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Here is what a doctor wrote - "I had Covid - I didn't enjoy it . It was a nasty cold for two days. Unrelenting butt/low back aches. very low energy and low grade fever - It was weird not being able to smell anything for a couple days - a week later coffee still tasted a little off - but I survived - Now it appears (as always has) that I have beautiful , natural, life long immunity not something likely to wear off in a few months if I get the vaccine -= In my body and my household Covid is over - In fact now that I've had it there is evidence the Corvid vaccine might actually be more dangerous for me "

"World's leading vaccinologist is sounding the alarm (Geert Vanden Bossche)- here is the biggest reason this Covid vaccine doesn't make sense - When someone who is very pro vaccine, who has spent his entire professional career overseeing the development of vaccines is shouting from the mountaintops that we have a major problem - I think the man should be heard - why Covid vaccines may be accelerating the mutation of the virus - why th vaccines may be creating vaccine-resistant viruses and why because of previous problems with antibody dependent enhancement we may be looking at a mass casualty event in the next few months/years " - Christian Elliot - 4/16/2021(True WholeHuman)

The big problem is that we can't trust people or governments anymore - who knows how this Covid thing will turn out - you. heard all kind of things that just confuses everyone - vaccine only lasts 6 months- you need a 3rd shot - if you get the shot and then get Covid it will be worst than if you didn't get the shot - blood clots - bad batches of vaccine - pharmaceuticals making billions on keeping people vaccines - no liability - on and on

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I'm with you on that Joe, natural immunity is best. Booster shots required for Phyzer vaccine. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/us-co...0Ffzp1ynCLOosg

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I'm with you on that Joe, natural immunity is best. Booster shots required for Phyzer vaccine. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/us-co...0Ffzp1ynCLOosg

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Moderna has also said a third shot will likely be necessary by this fall.

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Your information is totally biased. Vets do due diligence on testing vaccine on animals before they are rolled out to humans. An important step that has been omitted with these emergency gene therapy drugs release to the public. Everyone taking the vaccine is a de-facto guinea pig.

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They always keep bringing up the fact that they are getting new information from real life trials and data . Yes that means we are test study in this mess we are the guinea pigs to these new experimental vaccines.

Whatever happens now could be devastating down the Rd. We just simply don't know yet.

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All of them will need boosters new more contagious variants are emerging that is working around the vaccines. More to come soon by the fall the vaccine won't be as effective as it is today.

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Moderna has also said a third shot will likely be necessary by this fall.

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Most of the country won't even have their first shot of a vaccine by then.
All the more reason to keep us locked down. After all that is the liberals plan. Hard to deny when they are telling us exactly that.
https://youtu.be/8QjGTymEMNk

Even from Trudeau who has no faith in vaccines that he's forced Health Canada approve.
https://youtu.be/53pNegyiFnY

Meanwhile UK has less daily cases than Ontario. If his mouth is open he's lying

Booked for AZ on Tuesday afternoon

Got my first shot today of Maderna. Just like the liquor store, in one door and out the other. No big deal, no sore arm, no aches, no pain. Next one is scheduled in August and my only concern is that it doesn't conflict with any fishing trips.

We got in the front of the line for boosters

Canada ordered another 30 million boosters for next year and another 30 million in 2023 . 2024s contract will be 60 million not sure why so many then , maybe another 2 year contract lol.

Starting to push em out like candy now .

By the 6th shot we will have more knowledge of these experimental vaccines lol.


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We got in the front of the line for boosters

Canada ordered another 30 million boosters for next year and another 30 million in 2023 . 2024s contract will be 60 million not sure why so many then , maybe another 2 year contract lol.

Starting to push em out like candy now .

By the 6th shot we will have more knowledge of these experimental vaccines lol.


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Isn’t that the same line of BS the village idiot was spewing about the first vaccines ??? We all know how that turned out. He’s incapable of telling the truth......period !

Rick, I think its hard to tell the truth when you're clueless to begin with.

Well we know the Dual Variant is in Canada
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-i...ndia-1.5400313

We know Justlied Trudeau is a massive misinformation source
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3684264751664562

and we know he ordered 5X what Canada needs (depriving other nations) and the rollout is really screwed up

and Justlied wants to keep people scared and locked down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pNegyiFnY

and we know the AstraZeneca has resulted in some clots,
https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...ne-2021-04-17/

rare but some countries have stopped using it and the US sent it's unused AZ to Mexico but it seems some came here too.
It is also reported 76% effective or worse against variants,so 24% + won't have any protection, more shots until ????, hence the order of 300M?
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...s-b117-variant
"Overall efficacy was 61.7% against the B117 variant and 77.3% against other variants, according to the study. The vaccine was 81.5% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 caused by non-B117 strains."

** Personal NOTE, based on what I have read it seems the AZ IF it works may have a longer antibody duration in the body BUT it isn't as effective as the Pfizer etc in the short term. My OPINION is that due to the nature of the vaccine (mRNA type) as the virus mutates beyond the current variants (seems good against variants SO FAR) the Pfizer won't stay in the body as long possibly to work as long or as well as AZ, I hear it over and over this type of vaccine is an unknown.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/29/cdc-...effective.html

• A single dose of Pfizer’s or Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine was 80% effective in preventing infections, according to a new CDC study.
• Two doses are better than one, the CDC said, adding that the vaccines’ effectiveness jumped to 90% two weeks after the second dose.

and we know that for under 55 it is not recommended in some countries but AZ just opened up for ages 40+ in Ontario and Canada say 30+
https://www.680news.com/2021/04/16/n...commendations/

But Other countries
https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN2BU1R0
"Italy recommended on Wednesday that AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 shot only be used on those over 60 and Britain that people under 30 should get an alternative, due to possible links between the vaccine and very rare cases of blood clots."

Now the Pfizer between shots is saying 21 days....Moderna is 28 days but I just booked mine and the 2nd is in 16 WEEKS.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-BioNTech.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...s/Moderna.html


Locked down, scared, relying on unreliable media and govt and possibly dependant on the next shot from the government for travel permission, say once or twice a year since the effectiveness and duration are completely unknown and now talking about mail in ballots and an election ....


Fills you with real confidence .... NOT!

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The purpose of this thread is to share information about getting the shot from people who’ve actually had it not a discussion of why anyone won’t or shouldn’t get it. Please try and stay on topic.

For those who have had the shot what was the process you went through, which vaccine did you get, where did you have to go, did you have side effects and was anything said about the second shot?

I pre-registered online with the Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph health unit on March 11, received notice to make an appointment on March 29 and booked the earliest availability which was on April 8.

The process at the clinic set up at the University of Guelph was very smooth and took 30 minutes from arrival to departure. I received the Pfizer vaccine and written and email confirmation that I’d been vaccinated with the first shot including the brand and lot number. I was told the health unit would contact me for the second shot.

The next day I had a slight stiffness in my arm and didn’t feel quite 100 percent in the morning. By the afternoon I was back to normal.

For those who’ve had the shot(s) how did it go for you?

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I'm schedule for my shot on Monday, it would seem along time coming, my daughter finally was able to book me in a few weeks back. Both my spouse and daughter have had their shots, my spouse because she visit her mother in a long term care facility, my daughter because she is an RN.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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I'm schedule for my shot on Monday, it would seem along time coming, my daughter finally was able to book me in a few weeks back. Both my spouse and daughter have had their shots, my spouse because she visit her mother in a long term care facility, my daughter because she is an RN.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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Did they get any kind of an antibody test? Listening to the Duck Dynasty and the impact COVID has had on them including Uncle Si almost dying.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=489383785753804

Reason for posting ....NOTE: two of the people that had COVID were just tested and DID NOT have the antibodies anymore.

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Did they get any kind of an antibody test? Listening to the Duck Dynasty and the impact COVID has had on them including Uncle Si almost dying.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=489383785753804

Reason for posting ....NOTE: two of the people that had COVID were just tested and DID NOT have the antibodies anymore.

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All I Know is they seem to be continually being tested, pretty much on something of a weekly basis, So it would appear that there is ongoing monitoring. So far so good in both their circumstances.

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All I Know is they seem to be continually being tested, pretty much on something of a weekly basis, So it would appear that there is ongoing monitoring. So far so good in both their circumstances.

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Which one did they get?


More than half Canada's AstraZeneca vaccine came from U.S. plant accused by FDA of quality-control problems
Controversy first erupted in March when it was revealed that cross-contamination at the Baltimore plant had ruined 15 million doses of the J&J product
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ntrol-problems

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Which one did they get?


More than half Canada's AstraZeneca vaccine came from U.S. plant accused by FDA of quality-control problems
Controversy first erupted in March when it was revealed that cross-contamination at the Baltimore plant had ruined 15 million doses of the J&J product
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ntrol-problems

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I believe they got the Pfizer.

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Thank you for volunteering for the human trails portion of the COVID 19 vaccine. You are the case sample, for the roll out, the Guinea pig for the rest of us. Please keep this post and email handy as proof of your compliance. Documentation is so important for future lawsuits and class action cases in the future.

Fast forward to an AD from 2030 - IF you where part of the vaccine trails in 2020-2021, you might be entitled to compensation. Please contact 1-800- i.t.o.l.d-y.o.u-s.o.

If there is one thing I have learned - You dont have to ask anyone if they have been vaccinated they proudly annonce it all over the inter-webs. To take a ….non -clinical human trialed, emergency - experimental MRNA vaccine - or Gene Therapy. Good luck with that.

I will never get it - for as long as I can hold out - even then, unless they threaten me death...then maybe. My body - my choice just like women, before you start that argument. If I die - I die my way - not the states way.

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The purpose of this thread is to share information about getting the shot from people who’ve actually had it not a discussion of why anyone won’t or shouldn’t get it. Please try and stay on topic.

For those who have had the shot what was the process you went through, which vaccine did you get, where did you have to go, did you have side effects and was anything said about the second shot?

I pre-registered online with the Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph health unit on March 11, received notice to make an appointment on March 29 and booked the earliest availability which was on April 8.

The process at the clinic set up at the University of Guelph was very smooth and took 30 minutes from arrival to departure. I received the Pfizer vaccine and written and email confirmation that I’d been vaccinated with the first shot including the brand and lot number. I was told the health unit would contact me for the second shot.

The next day I had a slight stiffness in my arm and didn’t feel quite 100 percent in the morning. By the afternoon I was back to normal.

For those who’ve had the shot(s) how did it go for you?

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Thank you for volunteering for the human trails portion of the COVID 19 vaccine. You are the case sample, for the roll out, the Guinea pig for the rest of us. Please keep this post and email handy as proof of your compliance. Documentation is so important for future lawsuits and class action cases in the future.

Fast forward to an AD from 2030 - IF you where part of the vaccine trails in 2020-2021, you might be entitled to compensation. Please contact 1-800- i.t.o.l.d-y.o.u-s.o.

If there is one thing I have learned - You dont have to ask anyone if they have been vaccinated they proudly annonce it all over the inter-webs. To take a ….non -clinical human trialed, emergency - experimental MRNA vaccine - or Gene Therapy. Good luck with that.

I will never get it - for as long as I can hold out - even then, unless they threaten me death...then maybe. My body - my choice just like women, before you start that argument. If I die - I die my way - not the states way.

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Hey, did you hear over in Israel and Finland thier hospitals are overcrowded with sick and dying people, shortages of oxygen and hundreds of thousands sick? Oh wait - nope. Wrong country. They have the highest vaccinated populations in the world. Must be a hoax.

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Hey, did you hear over in Israel and Finland thier hospitals are overcrowded with sick and dying people, shortages of oxygen and hundreds of thousands sick? Oh wait - nope. Wrong country. They have the highest vaccinated populations in the world. Must be a hoax.

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I think your story is wrong ? Israel is 80 percent fully vaccinated if they have a a problem it would mean the vaccine is useless.

Might be India you are talking about and they have have a population of 1.3 billion. Big outbreaks and high numbers can be expected.


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I think your story is wrong ? Israel is 80 percent fully vaccinated if they have a a problem it would mean the vaccine is useless.

Might be India you are talking about and they have have a population of 1.3 billion. Big outbreaks and high numbers can be expected.


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LOL. You are 100% correct....just trying to make a point that the vaccines are NOT useless.

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I think your story is wrong ? Israel is 80 percent fully vaccinated if they have a a problem it would mean the vaccine is useless.

Might be India you are talking about and they have have a population of 1.3 billion. Big outbreaks and high numbers can be expected.

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I believe that post was meant as sarcasm.

Israel's population of 9 million people is about 2/3rds that of Ontario. In January it reached a single day high of almost 12,000 new cases (equivalent to 16,000 per day in Ontario.) In the past day their new case total was 50.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/israel

Similar results are being seen in countries with higher vaccination rates.

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Originally Posted by line052

Thank you for volunteering for the human trails portion of the COVID 19 vaccine. You are the case sample, for the roll out, the Guinea pig for the rest of us. Please keep this post and email handy as proof of your compliance. Documentation is so important for future lawsuits and class action cases in the future.

Fast forward to an AD from 2030 - IF you where part of the vaccine trails in 2020-2021, you might be entitled to compensation. Please contact 1-800- i.t.o.l.d-y.o.u-s.o.

If there is one thing I have learned - You dont have to ask anyone if they have been vaccinated they proudly annonce it all over the inter-webs. To take a ….non -clinical human trialed, emergency - experimental MRNA vaccine - or Gene Therapy. Good luck with that.

I will never get it - for as long as I can hold out - even then, unless they threaten me death...then maybe. My body - my choice just like women, before you start that argument. If I die - I die my way - not the states way.

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Absolutely your choice and I respect that. What I don’t respect is your need to insult others who think differently than you

Seems to be the trend with many. If people don’t agree with you rather than just explaining your position you feel the need to belittle and insult them

Cases don't mean hospitalization or ICU - You see the case count #'s are being used to control the fear narrative. And that is why your statistics are flawed.

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I believe that post was meant as sarcasm.

Israel's population of 9 million people is about 2/3rds that of Ontario. In January it reached a single day high of almost 12,000 new cases (equivalent to 16,000 per day in Ontario.) In the past day their new case total was 50.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/israel

Similar results are being seen in countries with higher vaccination rates.

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Cases don't mean hospitalization or ICU - You see the case count #'s are being used to control the fear narrative. And that is why your statistics are flawed.

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Not my statistics but those of one of the most respected medical schools in the world.

Anyone unimpressed by case counts can look at deaths.

Israel's worst week was January 17-23 with 414 deaths. Last week there were 17.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/israel

In the United Kingdom the worst week for deaths was January 17-23 with 8,700 deaths. Last week there were 163.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/united-kingdom

Countries that are vaccinating are seeing steep drops in case counts and deaths.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international

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Countries that are vaccinating are seeing steep drops in case counts and deaths.

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Or those that has comorbidity issues (old folks) died during the first wave and the rest of the population go sick (asymptomatic, mild cases etc) then recovered . The population build up a natural immunity to the virus..so death counts dropped.

Since those numbers were never tracked or even considered by the Government they have no idea how high the herd Immunity is and are instead, insisting everyone still get a vaccine. You have to ask why...

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Not my statistics but those of one of the most respected medical schools in the world.

Anyone unimpressed by case counts can look at deaths.

Israel's worst week was January 17-23 with 414 deaths. Last week there were 17.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/israel

In the United Kingdom the worst week for deaths was January 17-23 with 8,700 deaths. Last week there were 163.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/united-kingdom

Countries that are vaccinating are seeing steep drops in case counts and deaths.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international

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Just wondering if they stopped counting suicides, overdoses and people who died with covid as covid deaths yet?

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Or those that has comorbidity issues (old folks) died during the first wave and the rest of the population go sick (asymptomatic, mild cases etc) then recovered . The population build up a natural immunity to the virus..so death counts dropped.

Since those numbers were never tracked or even considered by the Government they have no idea how high the herd Immunity is and are instead, insisting everyone still get a vaccine. You have to ask why...

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Exactly, the "dry tinder" has been burned. Sounds insensitive to say it that way, but by the time the "3rd wave" rolls around, many of the people seriously at risk have already been exposed, especially in the small, densely populated places that are being discussed. It can be spun to appear to be solely because of the vaccines, but it isn't solely because of them at all. A certain level of herd immunity was achieved before vaccines were administered at all. Vaccines (pre-treatments) are having some effect surely, but not the only effect.

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Here is a novel idea! Stop testing and watch the plandemic disappear!

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05

Product type: Nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies that use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for detection of SARS-CoV-2

Date: 13 January 2021

WHO-identifier: 2020/5, version 2

Target audience: laboratory professionals and users of IVDs.

Purpose of this notice: clarify information previously provided by WHO. This notice supersedes WHO Information Notice for In Vitro Diagnostic Medical Device (IVD) Users 2020/05 version 1, issued 14 December 2020.

Description of the problem: WHO requests users to follow the instructions for use (IFU) when interpreting results for specimens tested using PCR methodology.

Users of IVDs must read and follow the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is recommended by the manufacturer.

WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.

Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

Actions to be taken by IVD users:

Please read carefully the IFU in its entirety.
Contact your local representative if there is any aspect of the IFU that is unclear to you.
Check the IFU for each incoming consignment to detect any changes to the IFU.
Provide the Ct value in the report to the requesting health care provider.

We are still seeing a 99.2 survival rate with today's deaths from confirmed cases 3 weeks ago. With 24 dead that had the virus in Ontario.

The government expects over 200 deaths each day in Canada from cancer and we are ignoring this because of a virus that is killing way less. Talk about priorities lol.

Apparently Canada is only 2.7 % fully vaccinated. Ouch .




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We are still seeing a 99.2 survival rate with today's deaths from confirmed cases 3 weeks ago. With 24 dead that had the virus in Ontario.

The government expects over 200 deaths each day in Canada from cancer and we are ignoring this because of a virus that is killing way less. Talk about priorities lol.

Apparently Canada is only 2.7 % fully vaccinated. Ouch .




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Well as much as cancer sucks it’s not contagious and sure a small percentage have had both shots but almost 30% have had the first one which significantly helps with COVID illness which is why with our limited supply of vaccine they are only administering one dose for now to most other than the elderly that are very vulnerable

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We are still seeing a 99.2 survival rate with today's deaths from confirmed cases 3 weeks ago. With 24 dead that had the virus in Ontario.

The government expects over 200 deaths each day in Canada from cancer and we are ignoring this because of a virus that is killing way less. Talk about priorities lol.

Apparently Canada is only 2.7 % fully vaccinated. Ouch .




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One need only look at India, to see what government priorities should be !!!!

Yes but most of them will likely need a third shot as the second shot will be done to late, the Feds even ordered enough to cover for the third shot just last week. Most likely because they realize that they were wrong about extending out to 4 months against all recommendations.

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Well as much as cancer sucks it’s not contagious and sure a small percentage have had both shots but almost 30% have had the first one which significantly helps with COVID illness which is why with our limited supply of vaccine they are only administering one dose for now to most other than the elderly that are very vulnerable

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I don’t agree with exceeding the manufactures spec for the second dose either. I get the logic and time will tell if it’s the right decision but it’s not the one I would have made

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Yes but most of them will likely need a third shot as the second shot will be done to late, the Feds even ordered enough to cover for the third shot just last week. Most likely because they realize that they were wrong about extending out to 4 months against all recommendations.

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Be prepared to roll up your sleeve twice a year if that is the path you wish to follow.
Viruses constantly mutate. Nothing new in respect to it and our immune system quickly adapts if you are strong and relatively healthy.
The government will be quick to remind you of your next scheduled jab as part of their "New Normal"

Lots more vaccines are on there way in the next couple of weeks. I just booked mine for next week.

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Be prepared to roll up your sleeve twice a year if that is the path you wish to follow.
Viruses constantly mutate. Nothing new in respect to it and our immune system quickly adapts if you are strong and relatively healthy.
The government will be quick to remind you of your next scheduled jab as part of their "New Normal"

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Sure. I get a flu shot every year so I don't make my 87 year old mom sick. It's no big deal.

I have mine booked for tomorrow morning..... I know my mom/dad will be happy, we sure do miss not being able to see each other. This will get us one step closer.

Is there any evidence of it stopping the spread yet ?

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Is there any evidence of it stopping the spread yet ?

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The spreading/hospitalisations is amongst the age group NOT vaccinated yet...so NO, ...

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So sounds like it is a yes......... not a no.....

I've heard up to 60% of current hospitalizations have been vaxed to some degree.
https://www.muskokaregion.com/news-s...3h8IeaRIyR7q40

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I've heard up to 60% of current hospitalizations have been vaxed to some degree.
https://www.muskokaregion.com/news-s...3h8IeaRIyR7q40

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Your story says there are two active cases at that home. One staff, one resident. Hardly 60 percent unless there are only three people living there. LOL.

The story also says

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Dr. Charles Gardner credited the vaccinations for a “dramatic reduction in deaths” during a March 30 news conference, stating they have created a “ring of protection” and a 95-per-cent reduction in mortality to this “very vulnerable sector.”

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Your story says there are two active cases at that home. One staff, one resident. Hardly 60 percent unless there are only three people living there. LOL.

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That's in the home not the hospital. Yeah he said prevents death not transmission but survival rate for a not vaxed 80 year old patients is 94% anyway so who knows. Hospital whistle blowers are anonymous or they'll lose their jobs, that info is leaked so take that however you choose.

In other news Florida is 100% back to normal effective today.

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis suspended remaining local COVID-19 restrictions within his state by executive order on Monday as part of a series of moves he said were meant to prevent government overreach in response to the pandemic."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flo...9-restrictions

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Is there any evidence of it stopping the spread yet ?

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Most vaccinated country in the world is Israel. In late January they were +/-9,000 case per day. For the last month they have been +/- 100 cases per day. They have also had almost all restrictions lifted for the last 6 weeks or so. So indoor spaces like schools, synagogues, theatres and restaurants have been full open and virtually no community spread. So i would say that indicates some success with vaccinating.

UK is similar. They are second most vaccinated and their case numbers have dropped through the floor as well with most restrictions lifted as well.

So 2 most vaccinated countries have basically some of lowest number of new cases per capita in the world.

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Most vaccinated country in the world is Israel. In late January they were +/-9,000 case per day. For the last month they have been +/- 100 cases per day. They have also had almost all restrictions lifted for the last 6 weeks or so. So indoor spaces like schools, synagogues, theatres and restaurants have been full open and virtually no community spread. So i would say that indicates some success with vaccinating.

UK is similar. They are second most vaccinated and their case numbers have dropped through the floor as well with most restrictions lifted as well.

So 2 most vaccinated countries have basically some of lowest number of new cases per capita in the world.

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Any idea if the testing rate or CT cycles have stayed the same in the UK and Israel? That does have a direct effect on the numbers and the media/governments have proven themselves untrustworthy with facts and statistics throughout COVID. Restrictions in Texas and Florida have been lifted for some times as well. How do their vaccination per capita vs cases rate compare with the UK and Israel. The media often ignores any evidence contrary to the narrative. If we want the truth we can't cherry pick data and I am just looking for the truth.

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Any idea if the testing rate or CT cycles have stayed the same in the UK and Israel? That does have a direct effect on the numbers and the media/governments have proven themselves untrustworthy with facts and statistics throughout COVID. Restrictions in Texas and Florida have been lifted for some times as well. How do their vaccination per capita vs cases rate compare with the UK and Israel. The media often ignores any evidence contrary to the narrative. If we want the truth we can't cherry pick data and I am just looking for the truth.

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Testing isn't always a good measure. Hospitalization rates are a better indicator. Here are COVID hospitalizations in the UK.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ons-in-the-uk/

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On January 12, 2021, over 4.5 thousand individuals in the UK were admitted to hospital as a result of the coronavirus (COVID-19), the highest single amount since the start of the pandemic. The daily hospital cases started to rise significantly at the end of 2020 and into January 2021, however since then the number of hospitalizations fell dramatically as the UK managed to vaccinate millions against COVID-19.

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I've heard up to 60% of current hospitalizations have been vaxed to some degree.
https://www.muskokaregion.com/news-s...3h8IeaRIyR7q40

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If you have an underlying medical condition vaccine or not you are high risk!

I have my name in at about 10 different locations from hot spots like Brampton/Mississauga to Niagara

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Testing isn't always a good measure. Hospitalization rates are a better indicator. Here are COVID hospitalizations in the UK.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ons-in-the-uk/

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That graph resembles any other graph for a typical flu season to say that at this point the decline is due to vaccination is premature. Warmer weather, longer days = more people going outside and getting their vitamin D and the end of the virus season.

I will only take the Pfizer so when they call me if it isn't for Pfizer I will turn it down, I also want 100% assurance that the second dose will be the same brand.

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If you have an underlying medical condition vaccine or not you are high risk!

I have my name in at about 10 different locations from hot spots like Brampton/Mississauga to Niagara

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I will only take the Pfizer so when they call me if it isn't for Pfizer I will turn it down, I also want 100% assurance that the second dose will be the same brand.

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What about receiving your second shot within the 21 day manufacture's recommendation?

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That graph resembles any other graph for a typical flu season to say that at this point the decline is due to vaccination is premature. Warmer weather, longer days = more people going outside and getting their vitamin D and the end of the virus season.

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Canada and most of Europe have similar climates to the UK. If your theory had any merit we'd see the same sort of declines in cases and hospitalizations in Europe and Canada. We aren't.

I have mentioned that in previous posts, yes if they cannot promise me the second shot on time then I will pass.
At some point they will be able to do it on time and I will wait.

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Canada and most of Europe have similar climates to the UK. If your theory had any merit we'd see the same sort of declines in cases and hospitalizations in Europe and Canada. We aren't.

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Could be due to lockdowns also.
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/e...ool?tab=trends

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Testing isn't always a good measure. Hospitalization rates are a better indicator. Here are COVID hospitalizations in the UK.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ons-in-the-uk/

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Yes but cases are the metric by which the world is gauging COVID. Switching metrics is an easy way to escalate or downplay COVID.

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Yes but cases are the metric by which the world is gauging COVID. Switching metrics is an easy way to escalate or downplay COVID.

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Whether you measure hospitalizations or new cases the fact remains that those jurisdictions who vaccinated faster than Canada are getting the pandemic under control.

This week Alberta became the jurisdiction with the highest growth rate of infection in North America.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ases-1.5412090

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TORONTO -- Alberta is now reporting the highest number of COVID-19 cases per capita in all of Canada and the United States.

According to CTVNews.ca's tracker, there have been an average of 440.5 daily cases per million people in the last seven days, more than any other province or territory in Canada as well as every U.S. state. Cases had been trending upward since March and continue to climb.

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COVID deniers claim that if we test less there will be fewer cases which is complete nonsense.

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Canada and most of Europe have similar climates to the UK. If your theory had any merit we'd see the same sort of declines in cases and hospitalizations in Europe and Canada. We aren't.

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Canada has a bunch of different climates based on what part of the country we're taking about. The climate in Calgary varies vastly from Toronto. The climate in Halifax varies greatly from that in Saskatoon, you get the picture. Think less about weather conditions and more about humidity or lack thereof.

We're in the middle of the country and our "continental climate" is what makes respiratory virus transmission take such wild swings here. It's the same if you look at Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, etc. Long, cool dry periods where transmission is high and then long, hot and humid (humidity is key), periods where transmission is low. Look at our summer last year. We had less than 100 cases a day, and it wasn't because people were wearing masks or just got really good at public health measures in the summertime. It's because a humid summer made transmission far more difficult.

The humidity levels on the coastal regions will always keep transmission relatively lower than places with continental type climates.

This is evident if you cross reference humidity trends in a region that is having a "surge" in cases. I looked yesterday, Alberta is "the worst" in Canada right now by the numbers. Their driest point in the season (by RH) is the end of April. Our driest point in the season by RH is March. That's why we peaked in April, same as we did last year.


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Whether you measure hospitalizations or new cases the fact remains that those jurisdictions who vaccinated faster than Canada are getting the pandemic under control.

This week Alberta became the jurisdiction with the highest growth rate of infection in North America.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ases-1.5412090



COVID deniers claim that if we test less there will be fewer cases which is complete nonsense.

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PCR test is a fraud. Data can be manipulated by running the tests at higher threshold cycles, the inventor of it said it shouldn't be used for covid 1984 testing. The weather in Alberta has been cold lately, could account for prolonged virus season.

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Canada has a bunch of different climates based on what part of the country we're taking about. The climate in Calgary varies vastly from Toronto. The climate in Halifax varies greatly from that in Saskatoon, you get the picture. Think less about weather conditions and more about humidity or lack thereof.

We're in the middle of the country and our "continental climate" is what makes respiratory virus transmission take such wild swings here. It's the same if you look at Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, etc. Long, cool dry periods where transmission is high and then long, hot and humid (humidity is key), periods where transmission is low. Look at our summer last year. We had less than 100 cases a day, and it wasn't because people were wearing masks or just got really good at public health measures in the summertime. It's because a humid summer made transmission far more difficult.

The humidity levels on the coastal regions will always keep transmission relatively lower than places with continental type climates.

This is evident if you cross reference humidity trends in a region that is having a "surge" in cases. I looked yesterday, Alberta is "the worst" in Canada right now by the numbers. Their driest point in the season (by RH) is the end of April. Our driest point in the season by RH is March. That's why we peaked in April, same as we did last year.

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And yet right across the border in Montana the new case increases are one-third that of Alberta.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ates-1.5051033

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And yet right across the border in Montana the new case increases are one-third that of Alberta.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ates-1.5051033

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Probably attributed to the Jet Stream.

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And yet right across the border in Montana the new case increases are one-third that of Alberta.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ates-1.5051033

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Montana has 1/4 the population of Alberta, its largest city has 100000 people. Alberta has 2 cities with over 1 million. This is a 2 part problem. Population density being the big one. Conditions allowing easy transmission is the second.

Billings Montana (most populated city) doesn't even have the same RH trend based on its relative position to the Rockies. Billings is driest at the end of the summer. Calgary is at the end of April.

Here are the graphs.

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Here's a study from Australia that found a 7 to 8 percent increase in transmission for every 1 point reduction in RH:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0818094028.htm

Yet, it's still the fault of the people for not following restrictions, so more restrictions will be imposed.

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/w...ases-1.5412613

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Any idea if the testing rate or CT cycles have stayed the same in the UK and Israel? That does have a direct effect on the numbers and the media/governments have proven themselves untrustworthy with facts and statistics throughout COVID. Restrictions in Texas and Florida have been lifted for some times as well. How do their vaccination per capita vs cases rate compare with the UK and Israel. The media often ignores any evidence contrary to the narrative. If we want the truth we can't cherry pick data and I am just looking for the truth.

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Israel halted it's testing by at least half.

Chile is using the Chinese made vaccine they have high vaccination rate and just went through there biggest outbreak.

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Testing isn't always a good measure. Hospitalization rates are a better indicator. Here are COVID hospitalizations in the UK.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ons-in-the-uk/

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This doesn't mean it's not still spreading the vaccine is to reduce hospitalizations and deaths we know it's working . So why would they test anyone not showing symptoms. If most of the cases show little symptoms and you have a vaccine that takes those symptoms away how would you even know you are sick. Might feel a little off but it's covid without even knowing it.


I think suppressing the symptoms could lead to a more dangerous situation.

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Here is the monthly RH chart and the infection curve for Sydney, Australia. See any relationship?

Note how their worst time is during their typical cold and flu season, our summer.


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Listing to a show now lady has family in Israel both her parents had sever reactions
One is going to need a kidney replacement from the vaccine. But they are not talking about these issues.

Vaccine deaths are other things they didn't die from the vaccine 2 days later it was heart failure.


Die within 28 days of covid and it's a covid death . Die within 48 hour's of the vaccine and it's natural causes . ?

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Here's a study from Australia that found a 7 to 8 percent increase in transmission for every 1 point reduction in RH:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0818094028.htm

Yet, it's still the fault of the people for not following restrictions, so more restrictions will be imposed.

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/w...ases-1.5412613

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It's less the fault of restrictions being followed and more the fault of the Canadian government being behind in acquiring vaccines. Where they are being administered cases are dropping faster than where they are not climactic conditions notwithstanding.

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Listing to a show now lady has family in Israel both her parents had sever reactions
One is going to need a kidney replacement from the vaccine. But they are not talking about these issues.

Vaccine deaths are other things they didn't die from the vaccine 2 days later it was heart failure.


Die within 28 days of covid and it's a covid death . Die within 48 hour's of the vaccine and it's natural causes . ?

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All sorts on here.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1100924840381516/

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All sorts on here.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1100924840381516/

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Yet nobody is responsible for what happens lol.

Use at own risk

The fear out there is unbelievable but if you really dig deep the evidence shows the Mass population don't need to be vaccinated.

Crazy the amount pressure to get everyone injected with an experimental vaccine that don't need it .

What's the risk vs rewards to any under 40?
The vaccine could do far more damage to this group for what ?

It should be no different than the flu shot.
Recommended it to the 60 +plus. That age group and above are responsible for just about 95% of all Ontario's deaths . They would save a lot more lives if they focus in this group for their second shots. Some recommendations are for 65 plus they don't show much of the 70,s they seem to push the 60 to 80 age together lol.


What happens when the fake antibodies wear off will it make you more susceptible to the virus by making it worse?


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It's less the fault of restrictions being followed and more the fault of the Canadian government being behind in acquiring vaccines. Where they are being administered cases are dropping faster than where they are not climactic conditions notwithstanding.

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Then how did we get down to around 100 cases a day in Ontario last summer without vaccines?

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Then how did we get down to around 100 cases a day in Ontario last summer without vaccines?

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My supposition is that the first wave which was much smaller occurred primarily in institutions and during a complete lockdown that people followed more closely. The second wave began as it got colder and we moved inside where spread occurs more often. The third wave is driven by variants aided by a populace that is not as rigorous about following lockdown requirements. Throw in sloppy border controls and poor vaccine acquisition and distribution to further compound the problem. It is possible climactic conditions were a contributing factor but can hardly account for all the rises and falls.

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yet nobody is responsible for what happens lol.

Use at own risk

the fear out there is unbelievable but if you really dig deep the evidence shows the mass population don't need to be vaccinated.

Crazy the amount pressure to get everyone injected with an experimental vaccine that don't need it .

What's the risk vs rewards to any under 40?
The vaccine could do far more damage to this group for what ?

It should be no different than the flu shot.
Recommended it to the 60 +plus. That age group and above are responsible for just about 95% of all ontario's deaths . They would save a lot more lives if they focus in this group for their second shots. Some recommendations are for 65 plus they don't show much of the 70,s they seem to push the 60 to 80 age together lol.


What happens when the fake antibodies wear off will it make you more susceptible to the virus by making it worse?


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99.7% recovery rate

Actually about 98.5% If you want to get technical

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My supposition is that the first wave which was much smaller occurred primarily in institutions and during a complete lockdown that people followed more closely. The second wave began as it got colder and we moved inside where spread occurs more often. The third wave is driven by variants aided by a populace that is not as rigorous about following lockdown requirements. Throw in sloppy border controls and poor vaccine acquisition and distribution to further compound the problem. It is possible climactic conditions were a contributing factor but can hardly account for all the rises and falls.

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I disagree about the first wave being smaller, but we're both just making our own guesses. It appeared smaller because of our limited capabilities then. They were testing 5000 to 8000 per day versus 40000 to 60000 a day now. Positivity was close to the same although in April of 2020 it got as high as 17 percent. Much higher than it's been in this wave. Criteria for testing at that time was entirely different, because tests were so limited. Serological tests have shown in many of the provinces that covid was about 4x as widespread by last spring as was being indicted by PCR tests. We peaked last April at around 650 cases in one day. Multiply that by 4 and we're not far from the numbers today. More contagious variants would probably make the difference between 2500/day and 4000/day in this wave, or maybe just complacency about guidelines.

I do agree that countries with high rates of vaccination undeniably seeing lower rates of infection, but I don't believe that can be solely attributed to vaccines.

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I set up at least 100 weddings last summer. Yet the numbers still fell and then the party goers still had to party too lol.





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I think it's 99.5 under 60 it keeps going higher the younger you get . Get's worse the older you are putting the percentage down when you look at all deaths .



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Around 99.5% or better for anyone under 65.

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It's less the fault of restrictions being followed and more the fault of the Canadian government being behind in acquiring vaccines. Where they are being administered cases are dropping faster than where they are not climactic conditions notwithstanding.

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Thats funny, I think you were one of them many months ago telling us the anti-mask kooks were the problems spreading the virus. Now seems your changing your tone about virus spread. I guess its no longer the anti-maskers being the problems?...lol

This morning (pfizer)
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Now I feel I am one step closer to visiting with my parents.

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My Mom is an assisted living apartment, had both shots months ago, and we still can't go see her...

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Actually that how many don’t die. Not the same as recovery and there are lots of long term health effects taking place

I get your point but too many people think you die or your just fine which really isn’t the case for many

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My Mom is an assisted living apartment, had both shots months ago, and we still can't go see her...

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Mind if I ask why, What is the rationale. The entire point of my vaccine is so I can get to see them.

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Mind if I ask why, What is the rationale. The entire point of my vaccine is so I can get to see them.

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No one really knows....the only person cleared to see her as a 'caregiver' is my sister, who also has both her shots...given to her by the Assisted Living place. It makes NO sense..every resident and employee is vaccinated, but no one can visit there.

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Actually that how many don’t die. Not the same as recovery and there are lots of long term health effects taking place

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I hear you my vision isn't as good as it was, but if you also took the suicides, overdoses and people that died with covid 1984 that number would probably be closer to 100%. Especially if it mutates and becomes not as severe as they claim viruses of this type do.

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Mind if I ask why, What is the rationale. The entire point of my vaccine is so I can get to see them.

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There is no evidence that shows it stops the spread.
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Might be time to bring the old folks home. I think there are some tax incentives.

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Thats funny, I think you were one of them many months ago telling us the anti-mask kooks were the problems spreading the virus. Now seems your changing your tone about virus spread. I guess its no longer the anti-maskers being the problems?...lol

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Many months ago we didn't have a vaccine. Today we do. The third wave could have been curtailed by earlier vaccine delivery. Israel, the UK and he the USA being prime examples of how effective vaccines are in reducing case loads, hospitalizations and deaths.

I thought you were one of the guy's with Gilroy and Fishermcan that felt Trudeau was doing a wonderful job in procuring our Vaccines (Which never showed up)

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Many months ago we didn't have a vaccine. Today we do. The third wave could have been curtailed by earlier vaccine delivery. Israel, the UK and he the USA being prime examples of how effective vaccines are in reducing case loads, hospitalizations and deaths.

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Many months ago we didn't have a vaccine. Today we do. The third wave could have been curtailed by earlier vaccine delivery. Israel, the UK and he the USA being prime examples of how effective vaccines are in reducing case loads, hospitalizations and deaths.

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No it would not have curtailed the case load.
Improper use of PCR testing is what keeps this pandemic going.
It is exactly why legal action has now been undertaken.

"WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology."

"WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity."

"Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information."

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05

The whole mask mandate is driving infections up also. Nobody wears them properly and half of them don't fit, everyone is touching their face or mask while they are shopping. Think about it, how often do you wash your mask, in theory it should be washed every time you return home.

Some lady on the news the entire family got covid after the shot in the states.

When she was doing the interview online in what looks like to be her residence she was wearing a mask. Then later in the segment if was down below her nose but come on that's why your husband in the hospital if your going to wear a mask inside when everyone already has covid . Like what the heck..


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No it would not have curtailed the case load.
Improper use of PCR testing is what keeps this pandemic going.
It is exactly why legal action has now been undertaken.

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How exactly does improper testing overflow our ICU’s. Assuming people are pretty sick before they are put there

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Lots of vaccinated people in India sick with covid. Apparently the variants are not being stopped with vaccines in India.

Hey Impact and Willie - are you guys doctors?

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Hey Impact and Willie - are you guys doctors?

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Not the kind that can help you.

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How exactly does improper testing overflow our ICU’s. Assuming people are pretty sick before they are put there

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Were did all the overflowing ICU business come from. Why now, why not at the beginning of COVID?

This is the only article I could find that gave the real reason explicitly and clearly.

https://torontosun.com/news/provinci...ra-icu-beds-go

Beware the spin of the left wing media. Beware the fear p()rn. I am not saying that it isn't happening, just saying that it is being presented in a way to induce fear and panic.

Maybe it's time to start trying Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opin...06f632875.html

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Hey Impact and Willie - are you guys doctors?

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I have 55,000 that speak on my behalf.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

This country is truly run buy a bunch of morons and imbeciles.

"The federal government’s vaccine advisory committee is recommending people who can wait for an mRNA vaccine, like Pfizer or Moderna, hold out for it, once again contradicting the long-standing advice to Canadians to get the first shot they’re offered."

"On Monday, the National Advisory Council on Immunization (NACI) issued its recommendation for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Due to an extremely rare blood clotting issue, NACI is recommending that the vaccine be given to people over the age of 30, who don’t want to wait for a mRNA vaccine."

"Conservative Health critic Michelle Rempel Garner asked Health Minister Patty Hajdu about the advice during question period Monday"

“What does Health Canada advise? This is a lot different from what we’ve been here hearing, taking the first vaccine offered or wait if you can for an mRNA vaccine?”

Hajdu said if Canadians have concerns about any of the vaccine they should turn to their doctor.

On another note, why is the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario issuing a gag order to its members?
Should doctors not be allowed to provide care to individual patients as deemed appropriate?

" Whether you are a new physician looking to practise medicine for the first time or you’re an experienced doctor moving to Ontario from another jurisdiction, the CPSO is the body that grants you your medical licence."

https://www.cpso.on.ca/

https://i.imgur.com/5rKZgkn.jpg

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Lots of vaccinated people in India sick with covid. Apparently the variants are not being stopped with vaccines in India.

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Under 10 percent of the Indian population has received one dose. Worse numbers than Canada.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56977653

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So far, only about 26 million people have been fully vaccinated out of a population of 1.4 billion, and about 124 million have received a single dose. India has millions more doses on order, but still far short of what it actually needs.

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I thought you were one of the guy's with Gilroy and Fishermcan that felt Trudeau was doing a wonderful job in procuring our Vaccines (Which never showed up)

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You thought wrong. You will not find a post of mine saying the federal government has done a "wonderful job" procuring vaccines.

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On another note, why is the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario issuing a gag order to its members?

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I like how they word their reason: The statement is intended to focus on professional behaviour and is not intended to stifle a healthy public debate about how to best address aspects of the pandemic. Rather, our focus is on addressing those arguments that reject scientific evidence and seek to rouse emotions over reason.

They judge what scientific evidence you are to support, you're not allowed to support scientific evidence that contradicts their scientific evidence... HaHa

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I have 55,000 that speak on my behalf.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

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The thread is about vaccines. The Great Barrington Declaration meanwhile is about lockdowns and herd immunity. It actually speaks positively about vaccines.

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We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine.

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So if these 55,000 doctors speak on your behalf then you are not against vaccines. Please return to this thread when you get yours and let us know how it went for you.

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The thread is about vaccines. The Great Barrington Declaration meanwhile is about lockdowns and herd immunity. It actually speaks positively about vaccines.



So if these 55,000 doctors speak on your behalf then you are not against vaccines. Please return to this thread when you get yours and let us know how it went for you.

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The doctors advocate vaccines and alternate solutions. Vaccines are not the end all of viruses contrary to what you are trying to promote.
My free speech is alive and well here Agent Badenoch and your attempt to stifle it ...well...... you know where you can go.

My step dad was told by his doctor that since he has never had the flu shot it would be wise not to take the covid shot . He is 63 .

Just another doctor opinion.

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The doctors advocate vaccines and alternate solutions. Vaccines are not the end all of viruses contrary to what you are trying to promote.
My free speech is alive and well here Agent Badenoch and your attempt to stifle it ...well...... you know where you can go.

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No attempt here to stifle anyone's free speech. Were it not for free speech I could not derive the amusement from calling out anti-vaxxers for their nonsense. I'm not going anywhere.

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No attempt here to stifle anyone's free speech. Were it not for free speech I could not derive the amusement from calling out anti-vaxxers for their nonsense. I'm not going anywhere.

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I don't think anyone here is an antivaxxer, I've had all my shots, I think the correct term is anti guinea pig if you want attach labels.

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I don't think any here is an anti vaxxer, I've had all my shots, I think the correct term is anti guinea pig if you want attach labels.

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That's just it, it's new it's an experimental vaccine. For emergency use only.

Evidence shows I have small chance of death with a 99.9 survival rate . I'll take my chances . They say follow the evidence evidence shows I have high probability of success without the vaccine. However I did experience long haul symptoms back before we called a pandemic.

It is not an emergency to vaccinate anyone under 40 . Evidence shows 40 and under and has had the most cases with the highest survival rate.

Wonder how many under 40 died from covid 19 and with covid we just don't know.
I'll be 40 this year lol.

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That's just it, it's new it's an experimental vaccine. For emergency use only.

Evidence shows I have small chance of death with a 99.9 survival rate . I'll take my chances . They say follow the evidence evidence shows I have high probability of success without the vaccine. However I did experience long haul symptoms back before we called a pandemic.

It is not an emergency to vaccinate anyone under 40 . Evidence shows 40 and under and has had the most cases with the highest survival rate.

Wonder how many under 40 died from covid 19 and with covid we just don't know.
I'll be 40 this year lol.

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Your chances of dying from the vaccine are just as good.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...espj649061Lzac

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Not the kind that can help you.

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You just answered my question. Thanks.

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You just answered my question. Thanks.

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Anytime!
https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/138113

https://rumble.com/vf0jmh-we-are-the-99-percent.html

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https://rumble.com/vf0jmh-we-are-the-99-percent.html

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Extended version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6y-skW9Stg

Well, I just made my vaccine booking!

A little bit of common sense. The last couple minutes of this clip discussion mutations, vaccines in children and forced vaccination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRQzGiJ0CQE&t=508s

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Your chances of dying from the vaccine are just as good.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...espj649061Lzac

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Tucker Carlson and some numbers on vaccine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7UgRtBcfvo

Worth a listen. I am not saying everything he says is right but there are some ideas in here that have merit.

https://rumble.com/vg6dcd-peter-mccu...interview.html

The governments, mainstream media and the medical bureaucrats have used up all their trust capital with the public. People can see the narrative being pushed doesn't make sense or follow any logic so we need to start looking at alternative sources and alternative voices to try to get a sense of what is really going on.

So far I have not gotten the shot - just not running all over the place and when I do go somewhere I am very careful - I was thinking that when the J&J vaccine became available I would get it - kinda waiting and seeing what is happening - not sure at this time -

Lives are at risk because the Liberals refuse to follow the science
In recent days, numerous health experts have spoken out about the risks of delaying doses

https://financialpost.com/diane-fran...w-the-science?

How long have I been saying this for, Trudeau should hire me so far I am batting 100 and he and all his team are bating zero.

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Lives are at risk because the Liberals refuse to follow the science
In recent days, numerous health experts have spoken out about the risks of delaying doses

https://financialpost.com/diane-fran...w-the-science?

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Few nurses have passed away recently they will not say if they have had the vaccine or not . The most recent one another doctor or who ever she was said they had hoped they past that point of them dying.

Sounds like by that comment that since they were all protected we shouldn't have seen any more death's. Even if they are not vaccinated they should at least comment on it. Is it that hard to find if they have been vaccinated or not.


Now they want to give this experimental drug on kids. Why were they aloud in school it doesn't effect kids they have claimed they opened schools they closed them to slow the spread . So why are we opening up and pushing these experimental vaccine. Alberta Monday starting to vaccinate 12 and up.


Why?

Risks vs rewards the vaccine could be worse with just a few small percentage points of negative reactions. They are at no Risk


If everyone trusted in the vaccine what are they worried about? Did they just take a drug and fear someone is going to give you Covid LoL.

It shouldn't be pushed the way it is they should be focusing on who needs them to save lives.



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It shouldn't be pushed the way it is they should be focusing on who needs them to save lives.



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Six million of the most vulnerable have been vaccinated. No need to pick on healthy kids.

So i now know of 10 people in my village who had Covid all got very sick and were down for over 2 weeks. I also know of 1 death in my community and my son in law best friend died of Covid at age 30 no diabetes and fit as a fiddle, left behind a little girl and wife.

I got my first shot of Pfizer this morning and happy I did.

There is fear mongering on both sides of this so rather than read one or two articles do some research and make your own choice

Medcram videos on YouTube have been an excellent source on COVID and vaccines for me.

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I got my first shot of Pfizer this morning and happy I did.

There is fear mongering on both sides of this so rather than read one or two articles do some research and make your own choice

Medcram videos on YouTube have been an excellent source on COVID and vaccines for me.

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I had my Pfizer shot Monday. Tuesday little sore at injection point nothing bad Wednesday afternoon. Fatigue started slept 11 hours last night lol im happy with 5-6 Thursday still bit tired nothing like yesterday tho

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So i now know of 10 people in my village who had Covid all got very sick and were down for over 2 weeks. I also know of 1 death in my community and my son in law best friend died of Covid at age 30 no diabetes and fit as a fiddle, left behind a little girl and wife.

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I know of more than one persons dying in auto accidents and heart attacks that were chalked up as covid deaths. Sadly to many lives are becoming part of the agenda.

These were not heart attacks or Car accidents

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I know of more than one persons dying in auto accidents and heart attacks that were chalked up as covid deaths. Sadly to many lives are becoming part of the agenda.

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So i now know of 10 people in my village who had Covid all got very sick and were down for over 2 weeks. I also know of 1 death in my community and my son in law best friend died of Covid at age 30 no diabetes and fit as a fiddle, left behind a little girl and wife.

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I would be curious to see what the autopsy report said and what morbidity that 30 year old may have had to cause a premature death.

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/p...p_2016-508.pdf

Ontario will no longer give AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine as 1st dose due to blood clot risk
Province has recorded 8 cases of rare blood clots linked to AstraZenec

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...cine-1.6022545

In the Scheme of things 8 is not a very large number my concern is this vaccine efficacy is much much lower then the Pfizer.

You will find a much higher percent of severe issues with even drugs for diabetes.

I suspect part of the reason they are pulling it is public perception.

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Ontario will no longer give AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine as 1st dose due to blood clot risk
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...cine-1.6022545

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So i got my shot a little over 2 weeks ago. Sore arm for half a day and that was it until this morning. Woke up looked in the mirror and there is a glowing 666 on my forehead.

How many Foreheads do you have now?

I get mine May 25 (Can't wait to get my nano microchips injected.) ;)

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So i got my shot a little over 2 weeks ago. Sore arm for half a day and that was it until this morning. Woke up looked in the mirror and there is a glowing 666 on my forehead.

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I assume the booster shot is to insure long term battery power so I can be tracked.

okay okay, now im confused.

all of a sudden everything rides on being vaccinated and not cases anymore?

nowwww im a little skeptical.

i wasnt planning on getting the needle either way.

but this is just fishy to me now.

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so i got my shot a little over 2 weeks ago. Sore arm for half a day and that was it until this morning. Woke up looked in the mirror and there is a glowing 666 on my forehead.

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