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"Stay away from Indianapolis"
I'll do one better than that Joe, I'll just stay away from the U.S. entirely? Not that anyone is able to travel there now, but you get the point.
It's safe - just stay away from gun free zones - wouldn't hurt to wear body armor too -Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
At what point will Americans realize that something with loony toons nut bars and access to firearms needs to be addressed despite the 2A debate? Quite clearly,allowing this insanity to continue is not sustainable.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
They are building the wall on the wrong border !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
It is too late to do anything about guns - too many and too engrained into American culture - just need more good guys with a gun - it is just the price you pay from living in a free society - give me liberty or give me death - unfortunately some people get killed - if you give up freedom for safety you will end up with neither -
lol ill just stay away from the USA as a whole.
"more good guys with a gun"
what does that exactly mean. ill tell you I for one if i ever was out and seen some random person with a gun on their hip, street store sidewalk doesnt matter.
no i would not feel any safer.
i have no idea who that person is
i have no idea of their intentions.
when and why would that ever make you feel any more safe.
does the saying good guys finish last apply when it comes to guns ?
I have family in little rock ... always a surprise when I visit them.
I spent a good deal of my career on Military bases, ranges and field exercises that seeing guy carrying a gun is second nature to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
Of course it made me feels safer Haha..
If your not accustomed to it, it may look out of place like here in Canada..but down south it's almost common enough you don't think twice about it.
i dunno, i know someone in the states who has lived in Texas, Tennessee, Michigan, Georgia and a bunch of other states that i honestly cant tell you because shes been all over because of the work field she is in.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
i asked her if she feels any safer when she sees someone with a gun on their hip, she says absolutely not.
you would be surprised to see how many people do not think open carry should be a thing in the usa .
@mike, there's a difference between someone in uniform/ military/ training and a civilian carrying LOL haha
The vast majority of Americans are not gun users for the most part and even less have the ability to quickly determine who is the bad guy. What is scarier than 1 guy with a gun? I would say a store full of people packing who have no idea what they are doing when 1 guy comes in with a gun. Picture it now, gun comes in with a pistol and starts shooting. Gun owner 1 pulls gun, gun owner 2-50 pull their guns, now how do they determine who was the first person with the gun? You now have 51 people shooting at 50 people with guns with bystanders everywhere. If someone is fully trained with guns, their used, how to shoot tactically and identify the source then that is one thing but the blanket "good guy with a gun" gets dangerous very fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I'm with you Joe. I have never once Been to the USA and felt unsafe and I have been coast to coast and once the borders open again I look forward to visiting again the land of the free and the home of the brave.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
No there is not lol. A cop in uniform is on some human tracking sex charges near me . Just because they have a badge or uniform don't make them all better lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
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Exactly fishfood most are good but some are as crooked as a sway back horse same can be said for catholic priests.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Not really, most people who carry a holster in open carry are licensed well vetted and responsible citizens, most like a professional enforcement of some kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
If you feel anxiety when you see a gun, it's more 'your' issue than a real issue.
Fox - it doesn't work that way - I'm in a grocery store packing a 38 Special in my waist holster under my jacket - some nut comes in the store and starts shooting at people - I see the guy and jump behind a counter - draw my pistol and shoot the nut - we don't start shooting at each other - you shoot after you are sure of your target - all of these shootings occur in gun free zones because there isn't anyone to stop the nut from shooting people - me being there is no different than a cop being there - I see a lot of guys wearing a gun open carry and feel safer because because I know there are guys around in case a shooting incident occurs - a bad guy doesn't walk around with a gun on this side -
That is one part that scares me, are there actually checks and vetting for those who have open carry in the US? The rules are state to state and some cities and counties having their own rules. Being allowed ans safe to own a gun does not necessarily mean that someone should be allowed to carry for protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I think the U.S is a messed up place, with messed up values. It is destined to be broken apart. I don’t see how people so very different can stay united. The last elections results are an indication of the divide. I think it is unavoidable.
So,in your opinion,the south shall rise again? I have relatives in Georgia who would for sure agree. The coming civil war will not be between north and south,though. It will be between right and left......republicanism vs. socialism/communism and it will be ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
Lots of guys here painting an entire country with a pretty wide brush, funny though. Weren't all Canadian gun owners just hit with a brush similar?
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LOL are you serious right now? the whole point of someone being in uniform is so the public knows who they are/ who they work for am i wrong about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
"holster in open carry are licensed well vetted and responsible citizens"
so by that logic right there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urOypZoSeBM
a guy who did meth all day, husband ended his life with a gun.
again my point is i dont know who these random people are with a gun.
Here in Pa. you can open carry a sidearm any time without a permit - you are required to get a permit if you conceal it - either under a garment or get into a vehicle - getting a permit is easy as long as you don't have a criminal record and there is no outstanding issues - you got to remember if some nut walks into a place and starts shooting people by the time the police are notified and arrive at the scene a lot of people could be dead - if there were some armed good guys present that won't happen - right now the rioting that is going on is in the cities - the wackos are burning and destroying their own neighbors - if they ever started coming out into the suburbs and country side and try the same behavior they will be shot by the citizens -
Funny" we "have so many opinions alongside -what happens in the USA with gun laws- is bad.
Then the same "we" moan and cry about bill C-21.
Then "we"debate the gun control benefits -or ,lack of it -in the N Scotia shooting..........
Maybe" we "could separate the stance towards gun control , versus the disdain towards the USA (disdain, which puzzles me every time it comes up).
Consistency comes to my mind...........
just my 2 cents
Yup. .....”Honey, let’s grab some body armour for us and the kids before that trip to Disneyland. I think I saw some at Walmart last week. Maybe Amazon carries it too.”Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
I usually agree with your stance Joe but can’t imagine stating that your country is safe ....but wear body armour just in case.
might need an armored truck or tank tooQuote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
https://i.imgur.com/1ZEqCny.jpg
Disneyland is a gun free zone - you don't want to go there - it may be unsafe -Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
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Originally Posted by Bowjob
The best thing to stop a bad guy with an antitank weapon is a good guy with an antitank weapon
From experience, I have travelled a lot in the US for business purposes north to south, east to west and have never felt threatened anywhere I went.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
The media exaggerates a lot. Millions of Canadians have vacationed in the USA. How many horror stories have they reported?
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Originally Posted by impact
When the border was open I spent upwards of 4 months a year in the US.
In Canada's push back against anything American our country has forgotten the concept of freedom, or maybe we never really understood it.
The news and media are not there to inform us they are there to program us and it appears to be working.
People in socialist societies don't understand true Freedom because they live off the teat of the Government. The overseers own you from cradel to grave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
I was not suggesting that it was terribly unsafe everywhere. I was making light of the concept that it was “ safe but bring body armour”Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Just in case there’s a gunfight at the OK Corral
It is the same anywhere in the world. If you are going to be in public in any town or city you must have some kind of situational awareness. You don't walk around at midnight in an ethnically diverse ghetto by yourself looking like an easy mark.
You stay away from areas that just give you a bad feeling even in daylight, if you see people asleep in boxes and others just yelling to themselves or at others for no reason you see.
Random acts of violence can happen anywhere at anytime, in a backcountry park in central Ontario even and you will not avoid them all when outside your bubble, but you can stay away from areas that will have a much higher % of these things happening.
Stay aware and you will stay safer.
John
Tragedies like the one in Indianapolis are thankfully less likely to happen in Canada. The Indianapolis shooter legally bought and possessed the weapons he used despite being arrested the year before on a mental health complaint and having had a shotgun in his possession seized by police that was not returned.
In Canada had the same thing happened he'd have lost his PAL and would no longer be legally allowed to possess or acquire firearms or purchase ammunition. In America he can slap his money down, walk out with two assault rifles, fill his high capacity magazines to the brim and proceed to slaughter innocent people.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...le/7276098002/
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FedEx shooting suspect legally purchased rifles months after shotgun was seized from his home
USA TODAY NETWORK
INDIANAPOLIS – The suspected gunman in a mass shooting that left eight people dead at a FedEx building legally purchased the two rifles used in the massacre months after a shotgun was seized from his home, authorities said.
A trace of the two guns revealed that Brandon Scott Hole, 19, legally bought the rifles in July and September last year, police said. Police declined to say where Hole bought the guns, citing the ongoing investigation.
FBI Indianapolis Special Agent in Charge Paul Keenan said Hole’s mother contacted law enforcement in March 2020 to report that Hole might try to commit "suicide by cop."
Records show the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department conducted a mental health check and list Hole as being arrested. The report says police seized a shotgun "from dangerous person."
Police placed Hole on an immediate detention mental health temporary hold. The FBI interviewed Hole again a month later based on “items observed in the suspect’s bedroom” and said no violent extremist ideology was found or criminal violation detected, authorities said.
The shotgun was not returned to Hole.
The FBI dropped the ball
Not necessarily. It is possible the FBI dropped the ball if the shooter passed an NICS check or the system timed out. It is also possible the shooter purchased the assault weapons privately at a gun show, gun club or on the internet from a seller within his own state. The American background check is a joke and easily circumvented in most states.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
"Police placed Hole on an immediate detention mental health temporary hold. The FBI interviewed Hole again a month later based on “items observed in the suspect’s bedroom” and said no violent extremist ideology was found or criminal violation detected, authorities said."
Pretty incriminating statement. The FBI did not do due diligence. The flags were there.
Why does the Nova Scotia shooting come to mind?
Whats up with these federal agencies?
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/...ver-operation/
Bottom line is an identified nut job went on a shooting / killing spree.
Not the guns fault but societies failure. In order words, protocols were not followed.
The fault lies with a society that allows easy access to firearms. The Nova Scotia shooter had to acquire his firearms and ammunition through illegal channels. The Indianapolis shooter acquired his legally despite a criminal history. Put him in Canada and he never would have been able to legally acquire a firearm or ammunition.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Are you guys aware that Thunder Bay Ontario
Had a higher homicide rate than more than half of the states in the USA. Per [emoji817] thousand .
24 states has a lower homicide rate than Thunder Bay .
Toronto has a higher rate than maine
Guns or no guns we are not much better off.
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You are a gun control advocate and contradicting yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
What makes you think the Indy shooter would not have gone to the black market?
Legal or not the end result was the same in both countries.
Persons with mental health issues committed horrible crimes and were known to police.
The fault lies with the stupid folks in our society that would focus on one tool and ignore another for no other reason than being just stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
The Nova Scotia attacker killed half of his victims with a lighter.........Crickets
Impact is right on the button with accusing these agencies with complacency to the point of being in on the crime. We're going to get to the truth soon enough.
The Indianapolis shooter had no need to go to the "black market." It wouldn't even have been a consideration for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
There is no contradiction. There are some people who should not own guns. The Canadian system is superior to the American in achieving that objective.
I will take Toronto off as the population of Toronto is bigger .Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
York region 18 homicides in 2019 rate of 1.5 with 1.1 million residents.
Maine USA 24 homicides in 2019 rate of 1.8 with 1.3 million residents.
Do guns really matter? Strict laws vs chill relaxed law's. Hmmm
Seems there is not much of a difference.
Shall we compare thunder Bay with homicide rate of 5.6 in 2019.
Banning the guns won't stop this people are asleep at where thinking less is better but in the end it doesn't really matter.
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So, based on your assumptions of a superior Canadian system, why are the Liberals banning guns from law abiding citizens who have been properly vetted by the government and deemed to be safe and sane to own guns?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
probably because he is being told it's a good idea and will save lives lolQuote:
Originally Posted by impact
We don't need all those guns that don't kill people [emoji1787] they could kill someone lol.
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