Variants of Concern

Now, I will start by saying I'm just a simple con-struck-shun worker with no medical background, just real life experience and knowledge.
Nowadays all the news seem to talk about is these VOCs. They talk like this is a surprise, unexpected and a game-changer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not true that all viruses will mutate and evolve or change to better prolong their own lifespan? Other-wise they are just a flash in the pan and disappear.
It happens annually with flue viruses, causing a guessing game for big Pharm to pile the big bucks in their purse even though they get their annual guessing game plan wrong more often then not.
It seems every time more people get tired of hearing the same old dark clouds rolling out the thunder, the media and their puppet masters alter their own stories to be more doom and gloom.
Annual numbers of national death have not had a noticable increase.
A pandemic by definition (in my opinion, and this is my thread ) should affect and remove a nominal percentage of the population to be a pandemic, whether it be 3%,4%,5%, or 10%. Not that I want this to happen, but it just has not.
I do believe this puts the spotlight on the media for being sensationalist to keep coverage up front and center, as it is 24/7 Covid and pretty much nothing else.
Lots more stuff is happening around the world unreported, be it sexual harrassment at highest levels of government, military action in lands we are not seeing reported, and, gasp, actually good news too.
I believe the people are sick and tired of and filled to the top with Covid threats, lockdowns, curve-flattening, and yes, just 3 or 4 more weeks and it will be better and we can get back to normal. Enough is enough, and I believe that is what a bigger percentage of people are feeling.
If you feel you have to stay inside all day every day for the rest of your life to be safe and watch the talking heads on tv, stay inside all day and watch the talking heads on tv. Do not tell me I have to do the same. Period.
Yah, I havd a few minutes on my hands, but I'm going out in the yard for some sun now, and will be in the turkey woods this weekend.
Have a great weekend.
John

Covid by any other name. This is how virus mutate and are categorized each season.

https://i.imgur.com/5Hkghq5.jpg

Conclusions

The COVID-19 pandemic has led to large scale testing of asymptomatic persons with low pretest probability, a practice not previously employed for any respiratory viral pathogen. SARS-CoV-2 Ct values may be of use when interpreting positive laboratory results derived from patients with low pretest probability, in particular, asymptomatic persons with no epidemiological link to a confirmed COVID-19case. The province of Ontario has produced guidance documents that facilitate risk-based patient management and follow up that do not rely on definitively concluding that a test is a true or false positive. Ongoing education regarding the increased possibility for false positive test results when testing high numbers of asymptomatic persons during periods of low community prevalence of SARSCoV-2, even when utilizing assays with excellent performance is required. This would benefit the healthcare community and potentially avoid unnecessary patient isolation, contact tracing and outbreak declaration.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...-pcr.pdf?la=en

Variants are the biggest joke of this whole thing.

I just put a post about variants in another thread. People need to do some basic research on how viruses work, then they'll understand that variants are part of natural virus evolution and generally not scary.

Our efforts to eradicate covid from existence while much of the world is infected could create some interesting strains though.

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Interesting stuff. I wonder if we put as much effort into vaccine creation towards an extremely accurate and fast testing method if we wouldn't be in better shape? Conspiracy theories aside - I think it's bound to happen soon. A decent, effective and accurate rapid test would be a game changer.

love how they try and scare people, double mutant...whats more scary triple, quadruple, mega-mutant?? whatever puts more $$ in bill gates pocket I guess

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love how they try and scare people, double mutant...whats more scary triple, quadruple, mega-mutant?? whatever puts more $$ in bill gates pocket I guess

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With a double double dire facing him - he put his tongue against the cold pipe

Is the news killing itself? Non stop covid. I don’t watch it anymore.
News is about ratings.
Government is about stealing money.
End of story.

I hope you get a nice bird.

I keep reading that MSM is to blame. Why do people become obsessed with using initial rather than spelling things out. Who or what is MSM? Can anyone spell out what these initial stand for? Before I miss out on who to blamed.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.

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I keep reading that MSM is to blame. Why do people become obsessed with using initial rather than spelling things out. Who or what is MSM? Can anyone spell out what these initial stand for? Before I miss out on who to blamed.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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Main Stream Media aka MSM

As of April 20th 2021

399 people died under the age of 60 in Ontario since the pandemic began. From or with covid 19.


Over 1500 hundred died from an 1602 I think Ontario was in 2020 .

People have been gathering all over in Rally's by the hundreds they are still marching every weekend. They all haven't died yet and won't .

We need to be smart and protect the ones we love and the most vulnerable.

This pandemic has been in the long-term care homes not in the general public.


Schools and kids are safe right ?

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Main Stream Media aka MSM

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Mostly referenced to the plethora of left leaning rags, with manipulated news lacking any credibility.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Mostly referenced to the plethora of left leaning rags, with manipulated news lacking any credibility.

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You forgot, in Canada, ...mostly bought by our village idiot...

MSM, have also heard used as an acronym for Mass Social Media; either way just a conduit to get the best most sensational story out to the public in the shortest time possible for the best shock effect. Think the old Howard stern shock radio on a global scale, twisted to fit a more localized agenda.
John

If you pay real close attention you will see papers like the New York Times citing other papers like the Washington post as sources for their information. This way they can pass on fake news while appearing legit.

Here is a site with comprehensive information and links on the subject of the covid vaccines.
Many news articles. Sift through it and educate yourself.

https://nojabforme.info/?fbclid=IwAR...nyK_ZfSxqSUi_s

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MSM, have also heard used as an acronym for Mass Social Media; either way just a conduit to get the best most sensational story out to the public in the shortest time possible for the best shock effect. Think the old Howard stern shock radio on a global scale, twisted to fit a more localized agenda.
John

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Thank you for finally enlarging on MSM initials.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting
- Gun Nut

Who would of thought a pandemic that killed the economy and thousands of businesses closed permanently, blew a half trillion.

And still if we had a dollar for everyone that died under the age of 60 or the majority of the working class in Ontario.

It would pay for a month of my phone bill and 2 weeks of gas.

Or 8 cases of beer for others.

Or a by weekly truck payment.


Hardly enough to justify killing the economy.


We know who we need to protect and where this fight should be at .

But as a whole we are to dumb to know what's right so they have the need to tell us consistently and to shut everyone down.

The news is definitely not helping by spreading fear into the public.

More younger people are dieing we are being told. But they don't explain that this young group is in their 70s . The news makes it sound like it a bunch of young kids and people in their 30s.

Perfect example

I was asked when I was getting my shots I said I am not . What about the kids ? Nope no shots for them either . But so many younger people are dying from the new variants. What ? Where are all these people dying ? Well they don't have anymore room they took truckloads of people everyone is dying.
My reply stop watching the news please and do some research of who is dying .

People are so afraid they will get nevus if another person is not wearing a mask.

I can say this most of them are the ones that are afraid of black people.





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Sorry if sounded like a dik in my last post .

But we knew in back in the fall that over half the deaths were people of over the age of 85 . Over half.

Other places kept going without killing the economy and protected the most vulnerable.


Point is we know who's at Risk and it's not the general public or the majority of the people who keep this economy going.







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Well, I can say that for 1 year I really didn't know anyone that got COVID, but for some reason in the past month, it's absurd how many people I directly know have got COVID. Some younger people I know (mid 30 to mid 40) are pretty bad off ... this I would say is worse than your average Flu. So I am starting to think the variants are more easily transmittable and are impacting younger people worse.

Anyhow, I still don't think it warrants a province wide stay at home order. From the beginning I've said they need a way more detailed/tailored strategy, shut it down where the transmission is occuring ... put the necessary protocols in place where primary transmission is happening. Don't shut everything down ... very, very little (if any) transmission happening in restuarants and outside ... so why they shutting that all down? Also why shut down a small town in way North Ontario that has zero covid cases? The blanket approach to everything is killing our economy and doing nothing more than providing a false sense of security.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

I keep reading that MSM is to blame. Why do people become obsessed with using initial rather than spelling things out. Who or what is MSM? Can anyone spell out what these initial stand for? Before I miss out on who to blamed.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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Main Stream Media-
Any media source that doesn’t agree with, or reflect what the echo chamber here thinks is real, true or important. Unless of course it does, then they are legitimate.

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

Main Stream Media-
Any media source that doesn’t agree with, or reflect what the echo chamber here thinks is real, true or important. Unless of course it does, then they are legitimate.

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Care to guess why?

https://i.imgur.com/1ShTFjg.jpg

Any break down of numbers in your pretty chart? The $600 K went to mostly print media. Television news was not assisted. The wage subsidy of late is of concern. Bell received a healthy chunk and proceeded up the dividends they where paying.

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Any break down of numbers in your pretty chart? The $600 K went to mostly print media. Television news was not assisted. The wage subsidy of late is of concern. Bell received a healthy chunk and proceeded up the dividends they where paying.

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It is a slimy way to distribute the money to the big players all the while ignoring the independents.
Once they have the money in hand it is distributed internally as they see fit. No difference in the print / television reporting. Same propaganda content.

"The same reason the 25 per cent wage subsidy, like the 15 per cent subscription subsidy, is restricted to news organizations that “primarily” produce “written content.” Because that description neatly excludes anyone outside the existing Canadian newspaper industry. And that’s who this policy is designed for: not the future of news but the past; not the scrappy startups who might save the business, but the lumbering dinosaurs who are taking it down. "

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/and...-chill-sets-in

Some flu facts

By Jan 13 2018
303 people under the age of 17 were admitted to the hospital and 48 needed the ICU. From the flu

By January 11 2019

6 kids under the age of 10 died from the flu.

I also found this chart interesting from the government of Canada site. Shows the hospitalizations, ICU and deaths from influenza flu.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9743dc826e.jpg

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It is a sad reality that children do die each and every year from various diseases.
The hospitals save a lot but not all of them.

The MSM is guilty of sensationalising these cases in pursuit of their goal of fear mongering.
When judgement day comes they will have no where to hide.

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It is a sad reality that children do die each and every year from various diseases.
The hospitals save a lot but not all of them.

The MSM is guilty of sensationalising these cases in pursuit of their goal of fear mongering.
When judgement day comes they will have no where to hide.

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Agreed but the fear mongering on the anti COVID anti vaccine side is just as bad as the msm side

So I guess if you believe in judgement day there will be lots of company there from both sides of the fence

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Agreed but the fear mongering on the anti COVID anti vaccine side is just as bad as the msm side

So I guess if you believe in judgement day there will be lots of company there from both sides of the fence

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One side is people asking questions and looking for answers...the other has an agenda.

Here's a good example of MSM NOT printing or covering topics that go against the WHO/ Government recommendations.

MIT has been conducting research into the validity of the 6' social distancing. The results have been out for a few days and only a few independent newspapers and FOX have covered it. I haven't seen any Main Stream Media covering this story yet.

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Based on their equations, the researchers concluded that staying six feet apart alone would not prevent the virus from spreading person-to-person because the virus-laden small respiratory droplets would already be everywhere in the air. Again, that’s because they are assuming that the air in the room would be well-mixed. In turn, the small, light aerosolized virus-carrying respiratory droplets wouldn’t quite behave like fart particles might. In other words, the small droplets wouldn’t just stay more concentrated near the source but instead quickly fan out so that they are equally distributed throughout the airspace of the room.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=d89500e2b734

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Here's a good example of MSM NOT printing or covering topics that go against the WHO/ Government recommendations.

MIT has been conducting research into the validity of the 6' social distancing. The results have been out for a few days and only a few independent newspapers and FOX have covered it. I haven't seen any Main Stream Media covering this story yet.

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My son who is an HVAC & R mechanic started a business last year promoting sterilisation of duct work in commercial as well residential buildings utilizing banks of UV lights to eradicate viruses. Zero interest anywhere. Ford tossed money instead to LTC homes in order for them to replace the air filters on a regular basis. Something that was already being done.

More money in vaccines!

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One side is people asking questions and looking for answers...the other has an agenda.

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No not really. Not for an awful lot of them anyway. And I get people choose not to get a vaccine but I don’t understand the motivation to fear monger other to not get one

Presentation of the facts contrary to the narrative is not fear mongering. People post because they care. How you interpret that is on you.
Shocker!
https://www.muskokaregion.com/news-s...usps8XuZRUuzS8

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Originally Posted by WillieBeno

Presentation of the facts contrary to the narrative is not fear mongering. People post because they care. How you interpret that is on you.
Shocker!
https://www.muskokaregion.com/news-s...usps8XuZRUuzS8

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Another shocker

Over 3900 death's about half came from 624 homes in Ontario. The long term care homes are still going to be dealing with this virus and other pandemics. More is on the table to better prepare them for the future.

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Duck Dynasty had an interesting talk with the one doctor but this is of more interest I think, it is summarized and the results of the anti-body testing.

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Did they get any kind of an antibody test? Listening to the Duck Dynasty and the impact COVID has had on them including Uncle Si almost dying.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=489383785753804

Reason for posting ....NOTE: two of the people that had COVID were just tested and DID NOT have the antibodies anymore.

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A should listen to.... at 7minutes they comment that 2 or the people that DID have COVID they DID NOT have the anti-bodies when tested for them and the vaccine AND that the doctor had said they HOPED the vaccine would last a year or more.

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Originally Posted by WillieBeno

Presentation of the facts contrary to the narrative is not fear mongering. People post because they care. How you interpret that is on you.
Shocker!
https://www.muskokaregion.com/news-s...usps8XuZRUuzS8

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That goes both ways. I’m not taking sides but both side are presenting their so called “facts” in the same manner.

I find it funny that one side accuses the other of fear mongering with out realizing they are doing the same

As always the truth is somewhere in the middle. At least that is the “fact” I chose to believe.

But I won’t try to scare others into my way of thinking just to make myself feel better

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Duck Dynasty had an interesting talk with the one doctor but this is of more interest I think, it is summarized and the results of the anti-body testing.





A should listen to.... at 7minutes they comment that 2 or the people that DID have COVID they DID NOT have the anti-bodies when tested for them and the vaccine AND that the doctor had said they HOPED the vaccine would last a year or more.

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

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That goes both ways. I’m not taking sides but both side are presenting their so called “facts” in the same manner.

I find it funny that one side accuses the other of fear mongering with out realizing they are doing the same

As always the truth is somewhere in the middle. At least that is the “fact” I chose to believe.

But I won’t try to scare others into my way of thinking just to make myself feel better

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It's your party you can cry if you want to.

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It's your party you can cry if you want to.

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Ok then. Whatever that means.

I’m sure it was profound in your mind

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Ok then. Whatever that means.

I’m sure it was profound in your mind

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Just trying to make myself feel better. How you doing?

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Just trying to make myself feel better. How you doing?

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Couldn’t be better actually. Thanks for asking
Have a great evening

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Couldn’t be better actually. Thanks for asking
Have a great evening

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Cheers

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

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.... reads like a scientific paper all right, it was from July and I think I need the managers summary to get a more understanding and their premise/Abstract may be out of date already but there were some interesting points that caught my eye...

The fact SARs and other Coronavirus type viruses may have already created protection from the Wuhan Pneumonia (Covid-19) and if I understand this part right.

we tested N-, NSP7- and NSP13-peptide-reactive IFNγ responses in 37 donors who were not exposed to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2. Donors were either sampled before July 2019 (n = 26) or were serologically negative for both SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies and SARS-CoV-2 N antibodies23 (n = 11).

Notably, we detected SARS-CoV-2-specific IFNγ responses in 19 out of 37 unexposed donors


So... IF .... big IF with my understanding relative to the depth of that paper, there SARS-CoV-2-specific interferon detections in 19 of 37 cases then POSSIBLY 50% of the population already had some prior exposure (in that family of viruses) and possibly ... possibly protection against the coronavirus strains in general including the Wuhan Pneumonia. That leaves so bloody many questions, what was the strain(s) for the 19 to create that respons, when did it happen, the efficacy of the T-cell response to the original Wuhan Pneumonia and its variants .... is a natural exposure required to produce the long term response needed, if they could identify what created the response in the 19 would they have been better served exposing people to a vaccine (or even the live virus????) .... AUGH... maybe I'll just go poor myself a whisky or Sabra.


Back from the year I was born...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOrjHBaDzQ

Lots of papers out there for sure.
https://www.nature.com/search?q=Covid-19&journal=

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.... reads like a scientific paper all right, it was from July and I think I need the managers summary to get a more understanding and their premise/Abstract may be out of date already but there were some interesting points that caught my eye...

The fact SARs and other Coronavirus type viruses may have already created protection from the Wuhan Pneumonia (Covid-19) and if I understand this part right.

we tested N-, NSP7- and NSP13-peptide-reactive IFNγ responses in 37 donors who were not exposed to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2. Donors were either sampled before July 2019 (n = 26) or were serologically negative for both SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies and SARS-CoV-2 N antibodies23 (n = 11).

Notably, we detected SARS-CoV-2-specific IFNγ responses in 19 out of 37 unexposed donors


So... IF .... big IF with my understanding relative to the depth of that paper, there SARS-CoV-2-specific interferon detections in 19 of 37 cases then POSSIBLY 50% of the population already had some prior exposure (in that family of viruses) and possibly ... possibly protection against the coronavirus strains in general including the Wuhan Pneumonia. That leaves so bloody many questions, what was the strain(s) for the 19 to create that respons, when did it happen, the efficacy of the T-cell response to the original Wuhan Pneumonia and its variants .... is a natural exposure required to produce the long term response needed, if they could identify what created the response in the 19 would they have been better served exposing people to a vaccine (or even the live virus????) .... AUGH... maybe I'll just go poor myself a whisky or Sabra.


Back from the year I was born...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOrjHBaDzQ

Lots of papers out there for sure.
https://www.nature.com/search?q=Covid-19&journal=

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"AUGH... maybe I'll just go poor myself a whisky or Sabra." better have both.
Hidden Gene, Overlapping Genes
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1110133141.htm

Human Genes identified that fight covid
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0416145832.htm

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.... reads like a scientific paper all right, it was from July and I think I need the managers summary to get a more understanding and their premise/Abstract may be out of date already but there were some interesting points that caught my eye...

The fact SARs and other Coronavirus type viruses may have already created protection from the Wuhan Pneumonia (Covid-19) and if I understand this part right.

we tested N-, NSP7- and NSP13-peptide-reactive IFNγ responses in 37 donors who were not exposed to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2. Donors were either sampled before July 2019 (n = 26) or were serologically negative for both SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies and SARS-CoV-2 N antibodies23 (n = 11).

Notably, we detected SARS-CoV-2-specific IFNγ responses in 19 out of 37 unexposed donors


So... IF .... big IF with my understanding relative to the depth of that paper, there SARS-CoV-2-specific interferon detections in 19 of 37 cases then POSSIBLY 50% of the population already had some prior exposure (in that family of viruses) and possibly ... possibly protection against the coronavirus strains in general including the Wuhan Pneumonia. That leaves so bloody many questions, what was the strain(s) for the 19 to create that respons, when did it happen, the efficacy of the T-cell response to the original Wuhan Pneumonia and its variants .... is a natural exposure required to produce the long term response needed, if they could identify what created the response in the 19 would they have been better served exposing people to a vaccine (or even the live virus????) .... AUGH... maybe I'll just go poor myself a whisky or Sabra.


Back from the year I was born...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOrjHBaDzQ

Lots of papers out there for sure.
https://www.nature.com/search?q=Covid-19&journal=

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I wouldn't doubt there was some exposure to COVID prior to the media break out in January 2020. Especially in the first few months, I think the cases in Canada were under-reported. The testing just wasn't there, and people weren't aware ... so they just thought they had a bad flu. My son (who lives with us) got a really bad flu that took 6 weeks to get rid of. We travelled back from a trip overseas in early January ... could he have caught COVID and we just didn't know it was COVID? It's possible.

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I wouldn't doubt there was some exposure to COVID prior to the media break out in January 2020. Especially in the first few months, I think the cases in Canada were under-reported. The testing just wasn't there, and people weren't aware ... so they just thought they had a bad flu. My son (who lives with us) got a really bad flu that took 6 weeks to get rid of. We travelled back from a trip overseas in early January ... could he have caught COVID and we just didn't know it was COVID? It's possible.

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My wife was in China beginning of January 2020 for work. She's pretty tough, and unlike me, always pushes through when sick and hardly complains. She came home, and was bed ridden for 4 days.....there wasn't any testing yet, nor was it being told out loud there was a problem. Her doctor chalked it down as a virus......that's it.

Athletes claim to have contracted WuFlu at military games in China.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/artic...lness-covid-19

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Variants are the biggest joke of this whole thing.

I just put a post about variants in another thread. People need to do some basic research on how viruses work, then they'll understand that variants are part of natural virus evolution and generally not scary.

Our efforts to eradicate covid from existence while much of the world is infected could create some interesting strains though.

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Very well said. I just don't get the panic..."OH NO! I'VE LOST MY SENSE OF SMELL!! AM I GOING TO DIE!!??" Uhhh, it's called being congested, s**t for brains lol. You know, like the common cold that you've gotten at least 100 times before?

Anyone else think about this?

We know this virus is very similar to the recent SARS virus (which was a type of corona virus). So they are, say 70% the same in terms of affects & transmission, with Covid being slightly nastier.

Of all the smart people out there....doctors who've cured diseases and transplanted animal organs into humans, scientists & engineers who have put humans in space...and we're supposed to believe they really don't know how to get a better handle on this thing? Doctors are acting like it's the most unlikely thing in the world, like it's the first time they've discovered a virus ever. They were flip-flopping on the efficacy of masks, and then they learned you couldn't get it from surfaces, and then the 'danger zone' distance kept magically changing (there's still no consensus here, btw), and on and on.

I thought everyone was so pro SCIENCE! these days? Especially the secular left, who have made it into their own weird religion.

Obviously the ball was dropped big time, no question about it. International flights were never stopped. But somehow that's still the little guy's fault. So they just push more non-scientific lockdowns & arbitrary restrictions. What a joke!

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My wife was in China beginning of January 2020 for work. She's pretty tough, and unlike me, always pushes through when sick and hardly complains. She came home, and was bed ridden for 4 days.....there wasn't any testing yet, nor was it being told out loud there was a problem. Her doctor chalked it down as a virus......that's it.

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Well I guess almost 30 years ago now ... ugh... sound old... the first time I went to China about half way through the 3 week trip I caught something, I was bed ridden for 4 or 5 days, still felt tough on the plane back, went to the doctor here, he took one look at me and gave me a note for the week off and when I went back to work the one guy made the "I was going to tease you but, never mind you still look like crap" statement. Whatever I had the long term of it was that according to the doctor I actually pulled the muscles around the lungs from coughing (from the coughing not virus related), whenever I slouched at work after an hour or so when I got up I felt like I had been hit by a bat in the ribs and that went on for years actually. Has she had any longer term issues?

There are some nasty bugs out there and probably alot of worse viruses have come and gone and been written off as bad flu, cold etc. , it is very likely the Wuhan Pneumonia (COVID-19) came to Canada from the Wuhan military games or other travellers long before it was recognized. In January the military issued a warning to the gov't and there were organizations talking about this new Pneumonia but our idiots in charge did nothing and sent the PPE equipment to China and have done everything they could do wrong, they have done wrong.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cor...uhan-1.5528381

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...o-the-contrary

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Well I guess almost 30 years ago now ... ugh... sound old... the first time I went to China about half way through the 3 week trip I caught something, I was bed ridden for 4 or 5 days, still felt tough on the plane back, went to the doctor here, he took one look at me and gave me a note for the week off and when I went back to work the one guy made the "I was going to tease you but, never mind you still look like crap" statement. Whatever I had the long term of it was that according to the doctor I actually pulled the muscles around the lungs from coughing (from the coughing not virus related), whenever I slouched at work after an hour or so when I got up I felt like I had been hit by a bat in the ribs and that went on for years actually. Has she had any longer term issues?

There are some nasty bugs out there and probably alot of worse viruses have come and gone and been written off as bad flu, cold etc. , it is very likely the Wuhan Pneumonia (COVID-19) came to Canada from the Wuhan military games or other travellers long before it was recognized. In January the military issued a warning to the gov't and there were organizations talking about this new Pneumonia but our idiots in charge did nothing and sent the PPE equipment to China and have done everything they could do wrong, they have done wrong.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cor...uhan-1.5528381

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...o-the-contrary

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She hasn't had any longer term effects, other than going from 95lb to 115lb...lol....but that's due to my cooking over the last year. After she recovered last year, I was diagnosed with pneumonia, and I had it pretty bad. Had a hard time breathing etc...I went 3x to the hospital, but at the time, I didn't meet the requirements for testing as they didn't order enough in the beginning, and only tested if you were out of country or high fever.....all good now.....

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She hasn't had any longer term effects, other than going from 95lb to 115lb...lol....but that's due to my cooking over the last year. After she recovered last year, I was diagnosed with pneumonia, and I had it pretty bad. Had a hard time breathing etc...I went 3x to the hospital, but at the time, I didn't meet the requirements for testing as they didn't order enough in the beginning, and only tested if you were out of country or high fever.....all good now.....

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Good, all my long term pain after that virus was due to the coughing (don't remember if doctor here said anything about pneumonia, likely was) hurting the muscles around the lungs and my being a lazy slouch at the desk at work not the virus directly. If I had a proper posture it felt better, then I would slouch and irritate the muscles again ... and repeat. and repeat and repeat... then I got back rest and other stuff for my chair at work and finally got healed up but a day I would forget I felt it.

If there is an antibody test you should see if you can get it. If that's what it was and you still have the antibodies the odds of a COVID or variant seem to be alot less, less worries. And for the other issue... youtube or https://www.allrecipes.com/ :-)

They have traced back and believe that Covid was in the US as early as Nov 2019. I have read as well that the virus may have been in China much earlier then the Chinese reported.

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They have traced back and believe that Covid was in the US as early as Nov 2019. I have read as well that the virus may have been in China much earlier then the Chinese reported.

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I would go back another month or two before that. Maybe have been spread intentionally or otherwise by the Military games. Google it and raise an eyebrow.

Oh I believe that is quite possible, my buddy down the road from me (first person I met when I moved to where I live now) when he came home from Spain Dec 2019 he was as sick as a dog for about 2 weeks, he said it was nothing like the regular flu, 3 months later we shut down the country.

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I would go back another month or two before that. Maybe have been spread intentionally or otherwise by the Military games. Google it and raise an eyebrow.

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The Wuhan military games came up awhile ago, they apparently refused to test them for the anti-bodies at the time...I guess because it would contradict their story.

When you look at the nextstrain diagram of the various versions of COVID- 19 they have 19A and B and 20A to J
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

The timeline may be found by looking at longterm care and seeing an increase in illness. But the timeline might not be too important.
Was it Released as an act of war is the question I want answered. If it was then I would expect more things to happen soon.

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The timeline may be found by looking at longterm care and seeing an increase in illness. But the timeline might not be too important.
Was it Released as an act of war is the question I want answered. If it was then I would expect more things to happen soon.

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At the 405 minute mark bill Gates said it will come naturally or intentionally .

https://youtu.be/SF6Ev_EXg9w

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This is so taking out of context and it would be 100,000 times easier just to put something in the water.

I hope you don't believe in Chem Trails from jets.

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At the 405 minute mark bill Gates said it will come naturally or intentionally .

https://youtu.be/SF6Ev_EXg9w

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This is so taking out of context and it would be 100,000 times easier just to put something in the water.

I hope you don't believe in Chem Trails from jets.

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Not so far fetched. Bill Gates (nut job) has been working on spraying the atmosphere for well over a decade now.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...ent-postponed/

Other Scientist were talking about this before Gates was, heck I was talking about it before Gates was.

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Not so far fetched. Bill Gates (nut job) has been working on spraying the atmosphere for well over a decade now.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...ent-postponed/

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Other Scientist were talking about this before Gates was, heck I was talking about it before Gates was.

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Bill gates isn't a scientist or a doctor for that matter either.

Not with a degree no he isn't but that doesn't mean you cannot study.

Elon Musk has no real degree in rocket science yet he is the lead designer at SpaceX and considered an expert on rockets and engines.

A degree doesn't really mean as much these days. Anyone can study you do not need to go to University.

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Bill gates isn't a scientist or a doctor for that matter either.

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Not with a degree no he isn't but that doesn't mean you cannot study.

Elon Musk has no real degree in rocket science yet he is the lead designer at SpaceX and considered an expert on rockets and engines.

A degree doesn't really mean as much these days. Anyone can study you do not need to go to University.

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Posted by you to me in the "Have you had a COVID shot" thread:

"As I have said before Science and Medical Science has come along ways since 1930's 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and even the 1980's and 90's.

Please back that up with links that are not from discredited DR's or Scientist."

So, when exactly are credentials important then, when it suits your argument at the moment?

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Not sure what you mean and where I am contradicting myself.

Science has improved greatly and this is not the 1930's 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and even the 1980's and 90's.

One of the best electricians I know isn't even an electrician but he probably knows more then any out there.

So I am unsure about your point.

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Posted by you to me in the "Have you had a COVID shot" thread:

"As I have said before Science and Medical Science has come along ways since 1930's 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and even the 1980's and 90's.

Please back that up with links that are not from discredited DR's or Scientist."

So, when exactly are credentials important then, when it suits your argument at the moment?

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Not sure what you mean and where I am contradicting myself.

Science has improved greatly and this is not the 1930's 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and even the 1980's and 90's.

One of the best electricians I know isn't even an electrician but he probably knows more then any out there.

So I am unsure about your point.

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That doesn't surprise me, and I can't help you if you can keep your own arguments straight.

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Not with a degree no he isn't but that doesn't mean you cannot study.

Elon Musk has no real degree in rocket science yet he is the lead designer at SpaceX and considered an expert on rockets and engines.

A degree doesn't really mean as much these days. Anyone can study you do not need to go to University.

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By that criteria I would consider Bill to be a mad scientist, i.e. blocking out the sun, world de population, engineered meat.

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Posted by you to me in the "Have you had a COVID shot" thread:

"As I have said before Science and Medical Science has come along ways since 1930's 40's, 50's 60's, 70's and even the 1980's and 90's.

Please back that up with links that are not from discredited DR's or Scientist."

So, when exactly are credentials important then, when it suits your argument at the moment?

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Well, if I can perhaps interject ... it is the adherence to the scientific methodology and ensuring correct quality control that is of upmost importance. The qualifications are not necessary, but it simply means the person conducting the research is less likely to make mistakes (or draw incorrect conclusions). If someone wanted to on their own study online how to scientifically support a hypothesis or theory, they can do that easily, without a university degree.

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By that criteria I would consider Bill to be a mad scientist, i.e. blocking out the sun, world de population, engineered meat.

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I like to think of Bill as an expert dancer, lol:

https://youtu.be/lAkuJXGldrM

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I like to think of Bill as an expert dancer, lol:

https://youtu.be/lAkuJXGldrM

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ROFLMAO Who'd a thought that little nerd would turn out to be so evil.