Why i will not vote on next elections

My personal opinion is that the lack of fiscal regime on Federal level(to assure future for Canadians ) lack of straight and lucid approach to just about anything ,and the lack of Federal Government effectively representing Canadians in the World(economically ,health wise and politically)are not beneficial for Canadians.
On a top-i disagree with supporting just about anyone (just because they are happy with support-not because they need the support)slowly but surely taking a desire away from people to take care of themselves.
I prefer straight and short political talks, with weight behind every word-not a hour long meaningless speech,one after another.

At the other hand-slowly ,but surely ,the PC lost all credibility in my eyes too.Not so much on Federal level(yet) but locally.
Federally ,they start to lose rapidly their image too.

I had great discussions with my wife-and we both came to conclusion ,that we should totally ignore the right things(or what we think is right)and just sit back ,and enjoy the benefits of whatever and whoever is throwing our ways.

Example- i was to work til 67,under Harper(i admire the guy ,and i think he was a great statesman)yet-Justin cut it back for me , to 65.
Doug Ford took away the minimal wage increase, what Catherine Wynne was to increase to 15 $/hr ,from14 $.This negatively impacted my Family on my wife's side .Who he gave that money too???

Doug Ford manages the COVID(in my eye)with lack of common sense ,overzealous lockdowns and totally unfair aproach to just about any Ontarian. As much mismanagement as Trudeau does(COVID vaccine fiasco, International Air Travel fiasco,mandatory COVID hotesl,at an all Inclusive Vacation rate for chicken wing hotels)and the Carbon Tax joke.

Doug Ford has audacity to say -times are hard, we are all in it together!
Then he puts freeze on rents,yet lets condo Corp. raise their condo fee,Hydro to raise Hydro cost,City of Guelph to raise property taxes to 15 years high,cuts sick day benefits ,and allows blackmail like Insurance hikes.......

I wish,there is a light at the end of the tunnel, but with these Politicians, no way i will waste a liter of gas to vote for any of them.
I know,this may be leaving power in wrong hands-but there is NO RIGHT hands to give power too anymore.

I am not a freeloader, and worked hard all my life.I am also not politically naïve-but i can not stand when people talk form both end of their mouth-or are not fair.

Our leading Politicians prove to me ,that they are not for us-but for themselves.
In Politics there seems to be lower then low.

Just my rant for the day.

If there would be some clever Politician, who would actually understand the meaning of fairness ,inclusiveness and comprehensiveness...wishful thinking i guess..

I hear you. I would REALLY appreciate some absolute HONESTY!!!! If we are screwed, then so be it, but what’s the plan to get us out? Let’s cut the crap and be honest with each other without judgement or reprisals. It’s been long over due.

I had a problem with the last election too..... I did go vote only to formally decline my ballot. My small way of protesting....
Our choices suck.

I hear what your're saying gbk. It's pretty well a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation in regards to voting? I'm retired with some pensions enough to keep me. Don't owe a nickel to a soul and have no intention of ever spending on things I haven't got the cash for. A good part of me has developed the attitude of "to hell with it! when it comes to politics. The country is pretty well screwed up so bad, no party will be able to sort it out in my lifetime left. And with the mindset of the young ones taking over the reins, there's not a lot to get excited about.
I'll still vote, but may have to hold my nose doing it?

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I hear what your're saying gbk. It's pretty well a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation in regards to voting? I'm retired with some pensions enough to keep me. Don't owe a nickel to a soul and have no intention of ever spending on things I haven't got the cash for. A good part of me has developed the attitude of "to hell with it! when it comes to politics. The country is pretty well screwed up so bad, no party will be able to sort it out in my lifetime left. And with the mindset of the young ones taking over the reins, there's not a lot to get excited about.
I'll still vote, but may have to hold my nose doing it?

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Agreed ! Just hold your nose and vote for the best of the worst !! I figure if I don’t vote, I can’t complain !!!

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Agreed ! Just hold your nose and vote for the best of the worst !! I figure if I don’t vote, I can’t complain !!!

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I will vote because I can see the alternatives.... more OICs, more huge deficits, more coverups and lies, more of China over Canadians...

I can hope for better than I expect from duh tool O'Toole but that's way better than we know we will get from Justlied who I know we will only get more and worse of the Worst PM in Canadian history.

Worst Can gov ever
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex...e-any-question




https://youtu.be/n2fp0Jeyjvw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99TXsQkNtcg




Look at the implications, Not voting is just saying I give up, Canada isn't worth putting in an effort for, no hope.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

"God doesn't require us to succeed; he only requires that you try" Mother Teresa of Calcutta

"In the struggle against evil, there is no shame in defeat -- only in not fighting." - Steven Hart



Corrie Ten Boom (Ravensbruck survivor, sister died there) - it cost her most of family, they knew the cost, yet they still chose to stand up and it saved Jews during WW2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeV7Otqlyzw


Sitting on your a** and not voting, a dog or stone can do just as much..... welcome to already becoming a serf.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rAiTDQ-NVY

I will never,NEVER,let other people make my decision for me,especially,the disgusting group of pathetic liberal pecker puffers who are pulling out every stop to remove those rights. That's what I believe we do when we abrogate our civic duty that was paid for with the blood of those who fought and died in two world wars to guarantee that right. To me,it's like spitting on their graves and handing the country over to the powers of political correctness and academic socialist communism.

Canada off to a great start 200,000+ lost jobs in April. Unemployment over 8%, increased taxes. More damage to come, our neighbors showing what's in store if we continue this path. Not goodhttps://youtu.be/NJbCmhEpO1Y

Justin and his crooked crew need be gone election time

If you don't vote you don't matter.

The problem is and what people are now waking up to the fact that our votes mean nothing as the elections are rigged and politicians are hand picked well in advance in support of Global agendas. When we have a deputy prime minister with the keys to our tax dollars making billions $$ vaporize into thin air then despair can certainly set in. That's treason at the highest level. No one voted for this.

https://www.weforum.org/people/chrystia-freeland

HOWEVER, there are good people with their boots on the ground at this very moment trying to fight this evil that has descended on us and bring back our way of life that we are entitled to enjoy. I encourage all to throw your support behind them. It may seem insignificant and a loss cause at first but each and every vote counts. Ignore the propaganda spewed out by MSM. Pay attention to the people that are being outcaste. We can make a difference and take back our country from the Globalists who have nothing but harm in store for us.

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If you don't vote you don't matter.

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Depend were you live..if you live in Rural Ontario your vote doesn't matter...the system is based on the whims of the voters in the GTA.
The Village Idiot promised to fix that...got him a whack of votes for making that promise too...then he discovered it wouldn't serve him well, so he reneged on the promise.

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Depend were you live..if you live in Rural Ontario your vote doesn't matter...the system is based on the whims of the voters in the GTA.
The Village Idiot promised to fix that...got him a whack of votes for making that promise too...then he discovered it wouldn't serve him well, so he reneged on the promise.

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The world is run by the people who show up. We live in a participatory democracy. If you don't participate don't piss and moan about the result.

I have a golf buddy who never votes. When he starts to complain about the government, any government, I try to shut him down by saying he lost the right to complain, when he did not vote. It usually quiets him down.

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The world is run by the people who show up. We live in a participatory democracy. If you don't participate don't piss and moan about the result.

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Exactly
If you don’t care enough to vote your opinion sure doesn’t matter to me

The fact is only 2/3 of Canadians vote...(less than 50% of population) yet that apathy seems to be of no concern. The Liberals said they would try to get more representation, but reneged when they discovered it would have cost them the election.

This is from Wiki; :voter turnout for elections since 2000..

The 3rd column from the left is % voter turnout by electorate , the last column on the right is the % of population that. (from link below)

https://i.imgur.com/HQbVRyel.jpg

For those that say that it is the immigrant vote that puts the liberals in power, stats prove that the most recent Canadian citizens are the least likely to vote. You know the, English is the second language, 'peons' from the cities. If we follow the reasoning of some people, would that not give the Liberals even more supporters, if they voted?

If you don't vote in every election you are entitled to, you should not be reading let alone posting in a political forum.
Canadian Men and women have died by the tens of thousands to protect this right to safely cast a ballot for your choice to be heard, even if it is a blank ballot. Use it wisely while you can, as many countries do not have the choice.
On another site I read a statement that epitomizes what this freedom entails.
We have 4 boxes to choose from for our freedom, and they should be used in this order:
1- soap box
2- ballot box
3)- jury box
4)- ammo box
I really hope I do not live to see the need to use option 4 in my lifetime here in Canada, but many countries in the past were surprised at how fast this has happened in their own lands.
John

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If you don't vote in every election you are entitled to, you should not be reading let alone posting in a political forum.
Canadian Men and women have died by the tens of thousands to protect this right to safely cast a ballot for your choice to be heard, even if it is a blank ballot. Use it wisely while you can, as many countries do not have the choice.
On another site I read a statement that epitomizes what this freedom entails.
We have 4 boxes to choose from for our freedom, and they should be used in this order:
1- soap box
2- ballot box
3)- jury box
4)- ammo box
I really hope I do not live to see the need to use option 4 in my lifetime here in Canada, but many countries in the past were surprised at how fast this has happened in their own lands.
John

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Essentially.... look at Germany 1931 to German 1940.... and with COVID as an opportunity 2020 to 2030, the internet and computers etc. to track/monitor everything.... 2020 and 2030...
Well those that don't vote are just practising to be serfs.... no say in their lives, just "own nothing and be happy"
https://www.facebook.com/22094237507...97595810336157

Further to what Trimmer and Mikepal said.

The fewer people that vote, the more weighting those that do have. At the end of the day, first and foremost they all chase votes. An argument can be made, that with First Past, the fewer people that vote, the better for them.

Regardless, both here and in the US, the divides are getting wider. The polarization worse. And as more and more of the Center is “lost”....

I have never not voted. Besides, I’ll vote to cancel out Gilly’s vote !!!! Lol

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I have never not voted. Besides, I’ll vote to cancel out Gilly’s vote !!!! Lol

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HaHa Hilarious!!!

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If you don't vote in every election you are entitled to, you should not be reading let alone posting in a political forum.
s.
John

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And why is that ?

Or-why i can not have my opinion posted on the Forum i am a member of?


Part of the rights we have inherited is to choose to vote or not to vote.Part of our freedom is also to express opinions, freely, without hindrance from others .

Don't You think that by "banning "me to read the Forum, and advising me not to post is opposite to what you try to convey......

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The world is run by the people who show up. We live in a participatory democracy. If you don't participate don't piss and moan about the result.

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We don't live in a participatory democracy we live in a representative democracy. In a participatory democracy you actually get to vote on the issues. We don't. Instead we choose representative to vote on the issues for us. We don't have government of the people, for the people by the people. What we end up with is government of the people, for the people, in spite of the people. Those in government get to do what they want, and we get to live with the consequences of what they do..

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Part of the rights we have inherited is to choose to vote or not to vote.Part of our freedom is also to express opinions, freely, without hindrance from others .

Don't You think that by "banning "me to read the Forum, and advising me not to post is opposite to what you try to convey......

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excellent post...a reminder that one mans' freedom of choice should not infringe on another mans freedom of choice.

I strongly believe that it is a civic duty to vote, no matter the level of government, Municipal, Provincial, or Federal.
I have believed this since I first became old enough to vote. As others have pointed out, we have lost a lot of good people in wars protecting our right to participate in upholding our Democratic system of government.
I know things are not the greatest right now, and voting may feel like a waste of time and effort to some, but it is the best way we have of showing the rest of the people in the country how we want to live our lives.
I do my best to vote in every election that I have a right to, and believe that everyone else should as well. If I am in conversation with others, I encourage them to vote as well, even if our political views may not be the same.
As was posted earlier, I don't have a lot of patience for others complaining about government when they don't take the time and effort to vote.

Everyone has the right to express an opinion but if you can't even be bothered to vote your opinions don't matter.

I have been involved in political campaigns most of my life at the federal and provincial level. When you participate in a party you are involved in developing its positions and policies and selecting candidates and leaders. It's your choice whether to be inside with influence or impotent on the outside.

I don't pay much heed to blowhards with political opinions who've never canvassed poll, attended a meeting, hammered in a lawn sign, got out the vote, made a donation, etc. I pay even less attention to those who don't vote.

vote of no confidence.

wish more people knew about it.

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Everyone has the right to express an opinion but if you can't even be bothered to vote your opinions don't matter.

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Kind narrow thinking isn't it..and wrong.

Sounds like you have immersed yourself in politics so it's important to you..by choice others do not find any interest in it and don't consider it important.

And voter apathy is taken seriously, their 'opinion' matters to those that monitor elections...why are they disenchanted with the electoral process.

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"When low turnout reflects cultural values of disenchantment or indifference, the election may not be an accurate reflection of the will of the people. Low turnouts can lead to unequal representation among various parts of the population.

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“People who are less trusting of their fellow citizens and who are less trusting of government officials to do the right thing are less likely to vote,” he says. “If you believe that your fellow compatriots and government officials are all out for themselves and cannot be trusted to behave in a moral fashion, then voting is likely to be seen as useless.”

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“Voters who follow the news but think the electoral system is rigged or that voting doesn’t matter and fail to show up for that reason,” as a group, “may be slightly larger in 2020 because of pervasive misinformation about voter fraud,” Huddy says.

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and the best:

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“Until and unless there is a candidate who I feel I could vote for in good conscience, I’m not voting,” Norman wrote. “Voting legitimizes the government structure we have in place and demands that the voter accept the outcome, whether they like who wins the Oval Office or not. My non-vote says presidential candidates and government officials aren’t quite up to snuff. Do better. Be better. And if someone better steps up to the plate, I’ll be first in line to cast my ballot,” he says.

This can be considered “principled abstention,” says Federico.

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vote of no confidence.

wish more people knew about it.

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There used to be a ballot for the Rino Party: it allowed you to exercise your right to vote...while saying you did not have confidence in the leadership being offered.

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Everyone has the right to express an opinion but if you can't even be bothered to vote your opinions don't matter.

I have been involved in political campaigns most of my life at the federal and provincial level. When you participate in a party you are involved in developing its positions and policies and selecting candidates and leaders. It's your choice whether to be inside with influence or impotent on the outside.

I don't pay much heed to blowhards with political opinions who've never canvassed poll, attended a meeting, hammered in a lawn sign, got out the vote, made a donation, etc. I pay even less attention to those who don't vote.

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And with statements like that, it's no wonder many voters see nothing in any present party worth voting for..

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Kind narrow thinking isn't it..and wrong.

Sounds like you have immersed yourself in politics so it's important to you..by choice others do not find any interest in it and don't consider it important.

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Too often those who don't "find any interest in it and don't consider it important" are often first in line spouting off about government or politics. To many of us who are politically active their opinions don't matter a pinch of coon crap because they aren't willing to make even the modest effort of getting off their lazy butts and casting a ballot.

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And with statements like that, it's no wonder many voters see nothing in any present party worth voting for..

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Excellent. Stay at home and STFU about politics and government. If you take yourself out of the process don't whine about how unfair it is.

In the meantime people like me will contribute to shaping policies, identifying candidates, working on elections and if the tide is running our way form a government that will implement the policies we've identified as priorities.

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There used to be a ballot for the Rino Party: it allowed you to exercise your right to vote...while saying you did not have confidence in the leadership being offered.

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What a great idea MikePal, have the various candidates laid out on the ballot and have a last option:
I DO NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE LEADERSHIP BEING OFFERED "O". I'd have to wonder how many times that circle would receive an "X". What would it mean? What could happen if it established something of a majority result? I have to wonder if having such a question and the public knowing about it being on the ballot, if it would improve voter turn out.

You don't stop hunting because grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Too often those who don't "find any interest in it and don't consider it important" are often first in line spouting off about government or politics. To many of us who are politically active their opinions don't matter a pinch of coon crap because they aren't willing to make even the modest effort of getting off their lazy butts and casting a ballot.

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Excellent. Stay at home and STFU about politics and government. If you take yourself out of the process don't whine about how unfair it is.

In the meantime people like me will contribute to shaping policies, identifying candidates, working on elections and if the tide is running our way form a government that will implement the policies we've identified as priorities.

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And for the second time in a row..
You've just showed exactly why so many voters see nothing worth voting for in present parties...LOL

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Excellent. Stay at home and STFU about politics and government. If you take yourself out of the process don't whine about how unfair it is.

In the meantime people like me will contribute to shaping policies, identifying candidates, working on elections and if the tide is running our way form a government that will implement the policies we've identified as priorities.

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You must be one of those paid for liberal influencers?

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Excellent. Stay at home and STFU about politics and government.

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Worked up some keyboard courage today ?
I offered up my address to come be show your courage but your tail was stuck between your legs.

Continue on your way, with your keyboard warrior status...lmfao

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You must be one of those paid for liberal influencers?

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Waste of money, unless he volunteers work...lol

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In the meantime people like me will contribute to shaping policies, identifying candidates, working on elections and if the tide is running our way form a government that will implement the policies we've identified as priorities.

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You have just confirmed what we all have come to realize.
Governed from the top down by the Elites.
They implement policies and ram them down the peoples throat.
This does not represent the wish of the people when our local elected politician is whipped into adopting shaped policies on the first day at work.

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Worked up some keyboard courage today ?
I offered up my address to come be show your courage but your tail was stuck between your legs.

Continue on your way, with your keyboard warrior status...lmfao

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I checked the address on Google Maps. Nice double-wide.

My counter offer stands. If you want to meet you can come here.

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You have just confirmed what we all have come to realize.
Governed from the top down by the Elites.
They implement policies and ram them down the peoples throat.
This does not represent the wish of the people when our local elected politician is whipped into adopting shaped policies on the first day at work.

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And the opportunity exists for anyone to become an "elite" if they want to put in the effort. But it's much easier to sit on the sidelines and complain.

Why do we need to keep making more policy's

Like when's it enough to just leave it alone always needing to think they should control everyone. Making new policies thinking it's for the better.



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Why do we need to keep making more policy's

Like when's it enough to just leave it alone always needing to think they should control everyone. Making new policies thinking it's for the better.



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It's all about control. Catchin anything?

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And why is that ?

Or-why i can not have my opinion posted on the Forum i am a member of?


Part of the rights we have inherited is to choose to vote or not to vote.Part of our freedom is also to express opinions, freely, without hindrance from others .

Don't You think that by "banning "me to read the Forum, and advising me not to post is opposite to what you try to convey......

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Just got back from the camp, didn't hear or get a shot at anything but it was a great overnighter.
What I intended to say with my statement was that if people want to complain about the government, then either vote to change or get off the crapper. Whining and doing nothing solves nothing, it is a process. Nothing personal, just my opinion.
John

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And the opportunity exists for anyone to become an "elite" if they want to put in the effort. But it's much easier to sit on the sidelines and complain.

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One of the most ridiculous and out of touch things you have ever said. Why do we need elites to rule us?

Everyone is free to vote or not vote. It's a special thing that we have the freedom to vote in this country. It's perfectly reasonable to destroy your ballot as an act of conscience.

The problem with politics is those that seek political positions and power are the people you would least want to hold those positions.

No offense Bandenoch but if people with ideas similar to yours are the ones setting the policy no wonder everything is the mess that it is. As soon as you start thinking you know what is best for someone else's life, as most politicians do, you have lost the moral authority to govern. The current direction of all 3 major Canadian parties show they are only concerned in power and any concern for the citizen is a cheap façade. Most of the decisions being made by politicians during COVID are out of fear for their political careers and not concern for the citizens. The few that do stand up for freedom and truth are quickly shouted down or kicked out of the party.

I don't want to be on here posting discussing gun control and COVID but there is too much at stake right now. I would rather go on about my life and have a government that has a respect for a citizens rights and freedoms.

Honestly I think the PPC is the only real conservative party left in Canada.

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One of the most ridiculous and out of touch things you have ever said. Why do we need elites to rule us?

Everyone is free to vote or not vote. It's a special thing that we have the freedom to vote in this country. It's perfectly reasonable to destroy your ballot as an act of conscience.

The problem with politics is those that seek political positions and power are the people you would least want to hold those positions.

No offense Bandenoch but if people with ideas similar to yours are the ones setting the policy no wonder everything is the mess that it is. As soon as you start thinking you know what is best for someone else's life, as most politicians do, you have lost the moral authority to govern. The current direction of all 3 major Canadian parties show they are only concerned in power and any concern for the citizen is a cheap façade. Most of the decisions being made by politicians during COVID are out of fear for their political careers and not concern for the citizens. The few that do stand up for freedom and truth are quickly shouted down or kicked out of the party.

I don't want to be on here posting discussing gun control and COVID but there is too much at stake right now. I would rather go on about my life and have a government that has a respect for a citizens rights and freedoms.

Honestly I think the PPC is the only real conservative party left in Canada.

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They are the only ones I see standing up for our freedom except for a few exiled conservatives.

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I checked the address on Google Maps. Nice double-wide.

My counter offer stands. If you want to meet you can come here.

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I offered my location. It's legit

You refused to give location..hiding your tail between legs....lmfao

Next

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Originally Posted by impact

You have just confirmed what we all have come to realize.
Governed from the top down by the Elites.
They implement policies and ram them down the peoples throat.
This does not represent the wish of the people when our local elected politician is whipped into adopting shaped policies on the first day at work.

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Amen they just use them against us .

They can't stop thinking about what they should implement next .


That is why I do what I do I know what's right and wrong as long as I'm not hurting anyone else who cares what I do lol.

That's why I was always open about my cannabis before it was legal. Who has the right to say I cant smoke pot but I can drink whatever. I was always open and smoked it wherever never hid it .




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One of the most ridiculous and out of touch things you have ever said. Why do we need elites to rule us?

Everyone is free to vote or not vote. It's a special thing that we have the freedom to vote in this country. It's perfectly reasonable to destroy your ballot as an act of conscience.

The problem with politics is those that seek political positions and power are the people you would least want to hold those positions.

No offense Bandenoch but if people with ideas similar to yours are the ones setting the policy no wonder everything is the mess that it is. As soon as you start thinking you know what is best for someone else's life, as most politicians do, you have lost the moral authority to govern. The current direction of all 3 major Canadian parties show they are only concerned in power and any concern for the citizen is a cheap façade. Most of the decisions being made by politicians during COVID are out of fear for their political careers and not concern for the citizens. The few that do stand up for freedom and truth are quickly shouted down or kicked out of the party.

I don't want to be on here posting discussing gun control and COVID but there is too much at stake right now. I would rather go on about my life and have a government that has a respect for a citizens rights and freedoms.

Honestly I think the PPC is the only real conservative party left in Canada.

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Honestly, I must agree.

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In the meantime people like me will contribute to shaping policies, identifying candidates, working on elections and if the tide is running our way form a government that will implement the policies we've identified as priorities.

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That's the problem, too many people without the intelligence to decipher between what's really right and wrong.
They are taught to be just smart enough to create division through their identity politics.
As long as they have or create disdain for the individual or group that a policy negatively effects, they don't care. Even if that policy is one step away from effecting them unjustifiably.
Your stance on gun control measures are a good example of that.

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And the opportunity exists for anyone to become an "elite" if they want to put in the effort.

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Lots of lube needed, I suspect..lol

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Lots of lube needed, I suspect..lol

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Political campaigns are always looking for volunteers and are always respected and appreciated. You'd know that if you worked on a campaign.

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That's the problem, too many people without the intelligence to decipher between what's really right and wrong.
They are taught to be just smart enough to create division through their identity politics.
As long as they have or create disdain for the individual or group that a policy negatively effects, they don't care. Even if that policy is one step away from effecting them unjustifiably.
Your stance on gun control measures are a good example of that.

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So get involved yourself. Make your voice heard where it matters. Otherwise my voice is the one they hear on issues you might be concerned about.

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So get involved yourself. Make your voice heard where it matters. Otherwise my voice is the one they hear on issues you might be concerned about.

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Rather full of yourself...thinking your special. Your 'voice', is no more important than anyone else.

Every person in Canada, whether they vote or not, has access to their local MPP/MP. If you think your voice is more valuable than theirs, that just makes you arrogant and condescending.

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So get involved yourself. Make your voice heard where it matters. Otherwise my voice is the one they hear on issues you might be concerned about.

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The big 3 are not interested in ideas that do not give them more power, more control or more money. Ideas that promote freedom and prosperity for the common man are foreign to them.

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Rather full of yourself...thinking your special. Your 'voice', is no more important than anyone else.

Every person in Canada, whether they vote or not, has access to their local MPP/MP. If you think your voice is more valuable than theirs, that just makes you arrogant and condescending.

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The difference is most people who call their MPP/MP wait. As often as not they call me because we know each other and when I do call mine are returned promptly. My voice may not be more important but its listened to more often.

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The difference is most people who call their MPP/MP wait. As often as not they call me because we know each other and when I do call mine are returned promptly. My voice may not be more important but its listened to more often.

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From what you've posted on the forum, I'd say you have an over inflated value of self worth....

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From what you've posted on the forum, I'd say you have an over inflated value of self worth....

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Have you ever worked on a political campaign? Joined a party? Made a donation? Your MPP in Kemptville is Steve Clark. I've met him and know his predecessor Bob Runciman quite well. Instead of sitting around with your thumb in your bum you might help Steve get re-elected next year. You might even learn something about politics along the way.

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Your MPP in Kemptville is Steve Clark. I've met him and know his predecessor Bob Runciman quite well.

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So you thought it might impress us and make yourself appear more important by name dropping ?

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Have you ever worked on a political campaign? Joined a party? Made a donation? Your MPP in Kemptville is Steve Clark. I've met him and know his predecessor Bob Runciman quite well. Instead of sitting around with your thumb in your bum you might help Steve get re-elected next year. You might even learn something about politics along the way.

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Almost as cool as going to high school with Otoole.
Not that I would share that kind of info to think I'm cool. I just thought it would be more impressive than you....bahaha

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So get involved yourself. Make your voice heard where it matters. Otherwise my voice is the one they hear on issues you might be concerned about.

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Good luck, unless you're part of the club you're not getting in where it matters, the political system is rigged. Something tells me you're well aware of that though.
I get involved when and where I can to protect Canadians rights, l have my whole life with plenty of success along the way and I don't need any accolades for doing it.

Badenoch....Next time you are asked about policy, bring up cutting the federal public service by a minimum of 30%, doing away with the inheritance taxes, doing away with capital gains tax and lowering taxes across the board in order to stimulate the economy. All true fiscally conservative policies. I bet they stop calling after that.

The government always believes they can spend peoples money better than the people can. The easiest and best way to stimulate an economy is to leave the money with the people who earn it.

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Good luck, unless you're part of the club you're not getting in where it matters, the political system is rigged. Something tells me you're well aware of that though.
I get involved when and where I can to protect Canadians rights, l have my whole life with plenty of success along the way and I don't need any accolades for doing it.

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It's a very easy club to join and getting in where it matters only takes a little time and effort. People who claim the system is "rigged" but have never been directly involved in the system are like know-it-alls about hunting who have never fired a shot.

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Badenoch....Next time you are asked about policy, bring up cutting the federal public service by a minimum of 30%, doing away with the inheritance taxes, doing away with capital gains tax and lowering taxes across the board in order to stimulate the economy. All true fiscally conservative policies. I bet they stop calling after that.

The government always believes they can spend peoples money better than the people can. The easiest and best way to stimulate an economy is to leave the money with the people who earn it.

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We agree tax cuts stimulate the economy although I favour income tax cuts and not across the board. As for the other opinions you'll have to carry your own water. Get involved, attend a meeting, express your views to the people who matter. You'll be surprised at how many share your views.

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Badenoch....
The government always believes they can spend peoples money better than the people can. The easiest and best way to stimulate an economy is to leave the money with the people who earn it.

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Not in a leftist world, the freeloaders live off earners money. The whole reason liberals do nothing positive, but raise taxes.

It's really showing with CERB, along with other handouts. Unemployment over 8 percent and climbing, over 200,000 jobs lost last month.

But hey look at the bright side, universal basic income will come soon for job loss, and to permanently extend CERB to those that choose to freeload for life off the earners money..

Vote Libertarian, at least you will be voting for something. If you dont vote "they" win in creating voters apathy and despair. All the socialist will vote for keeping themselves employed with the state.

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We agree tax cuts stimulate the economy although I favour income tax cuts and not across the board. As for the other opinions you'll have to carry your own water. Get involved, attend a meeting, express your views to the people who matter. You'll be surprised at how many share your views.

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Most conservatives, if they are conservatives, agree with my ideas....if many people in the party share my views, as you claim, why do they never make it into policy.

What you claim and what we see as the end result in the party policy do not match up. Where in the process are things getting derailed? If I need to make politics a part time job and hobby to make sure that the CPC acts like the conservative in their name and doesn't tax me into oblivion and then something is wrong.

I have a friend who was close and involved with the election of the local conservative MP. The MP had all these great things they were going to do in Ottawa to make a difference. They went to Ottawa after the election and came back cowed and toeing the party line.

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Most conservatives, if they are conservatives, agree with my ideas....if many people in the party share my views, as you claim, why do they never make it into policy.

What you claim and what we see as the end result in the party policy do not match up. Where in the process are things getting derailed? If I need to make politics a part time job and hobby to make sure that the CPC acts like the conservative in their name and doesn't tax me into oblivion and then something is wrong.

I have a friend who was close and involved with the election of the local conservative MP. The MP had all these great things they were going to do in Ottawa to make a difference. They went to Ottawa after the election and came back cowed and toeing the party line.

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Stephen Harper cut the GST by two points because party members supported and advanced the policy. The CPC disbanded the long gun registry because party members supported and advanced the policy. The CPC overturned the banning of the Swiss Arms and CZ rifles because gun owners in the party contacted their MPs and convinced them to do it.

These things do not happen by accident. They are the result of activist party members. You do not get everything you want each time but if you can bring together enough people inside the party you can make change.

While a 2% cut of the GST is technically a tax cut it's not enough to stimulate anything.

Don't think I don't write my MP. Again, if I have to become an activist so the conservatives will stand up for my rights, freedoms and to not be taxed into oblivion, then they need to remove conservative from their name.

I see not voting as a vote for the status quo, not protest.
I will likely always vote for the broadest based conservative party.
I think my views are more libertarian than conservative, but can't see anything productive coming from conservative vote-splitting.
If libertarians can't get enough traction within the conservative party to swing the party to the right, there is no way in hell they'll have any influence at all an independent party - other than to shave conservative votes and hand the country back to the liberals.

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I see not voting as a vote for the status quo, not protest.
I will likely always vote for the broadest based conservative party.
I think my views are more libertarian than conservative, but can't see anything productive coming from conservative vote-splitting.
If libertarians can't get enough traction within the conservative party to swing the party to the right, there is no way in hell they'll have any influence at all an independent party - other than to shave conservative votes and hand the country back to the liberals.

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Tru dat!

[QUOTE=Badenoch;1160111]It's a very easy club to join and getting in where it matters only takes a little time and effort. People who claim the system is "rigged" but have never been directly involved in the system are like know-it-alls about hunting who have never fired a shot.

No they'd be called liars just like the ones in the political arena.

Nothing will change until we overhaul the media, our knowledge providers.
If our media were chefs, we'd be all dead from food poisoning.
The most frightening thing about the last number of years is that the people keep going back to the same POS for their meals.

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No they'd be called liars just like the ones in the political arena.

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They wouldn't be liars they'd be uninformed and ignorant just like the people who have never participated in the political system but think they know all there is to know about it.

The way the know-it-all hunter who has never actually hunted learns is to get into the field. Same with know-it-all political malcontents who've never been involved.

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They wouldn't be liars they'd be uninformed and ignorant just like the people who have never participated in the political system but think they know all there is to know about it.

The way the know-it-all hunter who has never actually hunted learns is to get into the field. Same with know-it-all political malcontents who've never been involved.

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If they were giving out marks to mind controlled recipients, you'd be at the top of the class.
You're going to have to be shown not told. Stay tuned

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They wouldn't be liars they'd be uninformed and ignorant just like the people who have never participated in the political system but think they know all there is to know about it.

The way the know-it-all hunter who has never actually hunted learns is to get into the field. Same with know-it-all political malcontents who've never been involved.

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I suppose you were part of the Amway family 30+ years ago..?. They to made their slaves feel like they were important (Amway family) members, just like you speak of...lmao

The to told their members, one day they can become Elite just like them...Rolfmao.

There's also the hunters that can see what their looking at behind the crosshairs...lol

I hear you ... but I will vote. I'd rather have a minority government forever, that cannot really do much, than a corrupt government (like a Liberal majority) that can do a lot of damage.

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If they were giving out marks to mind controlled recipients, you'd be at the top of the class.
You're going to have to be shown not told. Stay tuned

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You're going to show me? LOL. It's one thing to be short an arrow. Try not to be a brick short too.

You will not be voting, then stop ing. If you choose not to have a say then you get to shut up about politics until you choose to vote again.

I really wish some people would travel to some of these places that do not have the right to vote, maybe you will see the light.

Don't worry though, you will all go off about all the young people and how "entitled" they are, without even considering how entitled you are to simply live in such a country as this.

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I really wish some people would travel to some of these places that do not have the right to vote, maybe you will see the light.

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Your right..I spent 6 months on a UN mission in Cyprus....when I got back I didn't complain about anything, it didn't matter who was running the country or how badly; it was better than what I had seen. HaHa.

I spent 25 yrs in an organisation (DND) where politics was discouraged. No election signs on the the yards in the PMQ (living quarters) during elections etc. The nature of the business was that we were to be unbiased politically. For good reason.

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I have never not voted. Besides, I’ll vote to cancel out Gilly’s vote !!!! Lol

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Only if you’re in the same riding....

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You're going to show me? LOL. It's one thing to be short an arrow. Try not to be a brick short too.

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Bahahaha good one.
It won't bare any fruit to reality but funny never the less.
It's pretty clear that you won't accept any knowledge provided from any of the members here that's counter to yours, so yeah you'll have to be shown but it won't be from me or anybody here.
You'll be part of the 25% that has to be woken up with an information dump.

I found some things to like with Max and the PPC also, he was the only guy on stage in the debates that gave answers that I thought were straight and realistic

I was also a member of the Reform Party back when I was younger, and remember how splitting the right vote gave the Liberals majority governments quite handily

but where do they stand now ? I haven’t heard about them much since the last election

I will always vote.

There are names of my family on a stone in Vimy Ridge in France that I will honor until I am dead, and that includes casting a ballot. Though I am utterly disgusted in our current provincial and federal leaders, I will vote for the thief who will steal from me the least.

We drive 8 miles to vote in every election even though there is a polling station 800 meters away from home for the same reasons already mentioned in this thread. If I'm not happy with the candidates I will vote for an independent or underdog in hopes that it might sway the other candidates policy (somewhat nieve I Know). I can see how some might feel that voting is an exercise in futility with the country being ran by an installed or leftover from previous governments Health Bureaucrats. If there ever was an election of importance this would be it so go out and exercise your right to vote even if it is only to send a message. "If you don't use it you'll lose it."

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I will always vote.

There are names of my family on a stone in Vimy Ridge in France that I will honor until I am dead, and that includes casting a ballot. Though I am utterly disgusted in our current provincial and federal leaders, I will vote for the thief who will steal from me the least.

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X2.......My Great Grandfather is laid to rest in Cabaret Rouge not far from Vimmy - 1st Bttln East Surrey.

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