Just amazing that all she is squawking about is genocide of FN. Maybe she should go look up the meaning of the word.
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Just amazing that all she is squawking about is genocide of FN. Maybe she should go look up the meaning of the word.
Yea she's a one trick poney that has the ear of the GG office...Stay tuned for a lot of drum dancing and throat signing mandatory at all public events. :)
I so enjoy the insights and thoughts of the off topic group. Always so full of respectful dialogue.
Sorry I forgot to put it pass it thur my Liberal Speak PC translator:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
She is truly a focused leader that shares common goals of the new GG. Together they will ensure that the Ingenious community will be more visible and well represented at public gatherings for all Canadians to enjoy. :)
Have to remember we're in mixed company here...
Ya but how many votes did this get jt.
More importantly, how much will the taxpayer be paying to appease the demands of "Reclamation" so he can look like he's trying to keep his 6 yr old promise of reconciliation.Quote:
Originally Posted by glen
The UN definition of genocide:
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
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In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
[a]Killing members of the group;
[b]Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
[c]Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
[d]Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
[e]Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Perhaps it would be an improvement from bagpipes and kilts?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I guess that's why it's the only thing you participate in on this outdoor forumQuote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
It’s flattering that you care so much about what forums I post in, I think it’s probably unhealthy to be so obsessed about one individual. I do appreciate you “checking me out” and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
Honestly-if You despise the topics in the Off Topics section(and perhaps this Forum as well)and vehemently oppose much of the posters-why bother ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
I really could not care less, do whatever pleases You....just can not wrap my head around "spending time" is a micro society, where there is nothing what one agrees with.
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Trying to convert groups of hunter/gathers that wonder about in a kind of nomadic lifestyle over fixed territories, content upon just eking out an existence, into settlers having an agriculture food base and an appetite for wealth generation through the destruction and exploitation of the natural world, makes for a real cultural genocide. That was the starting point.
Isolating their children, to prevent their adult population from passing on their cultural heritage, is where it eventually ended up. It would appear that the pathway to assimilation became corrupted over lack of adequate oversight, leaving patch works of unmark graves, in the locations of a number of residential schools.
Serves as a testimony to our ____________________ .
Now if you had words, that could be placed in that underlined space what would they be?.
You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
Despise? What would give you that idea? Vehemently oppose? More like disagree with.
I was unaware that this forum was reserved as a “safe space” for the conservative Christian right wing only.
Good to know all opinions are welcome.
It was the Indian Act that destroyed their culture. The Indiginous became lazy and stopped the nomadic hunter gatherer lifestyle...much easier to wait till the supply planes came in and drop off their groceries . All they have to do now is cash the 'colonist' cheques they were sent, drive their snowmobiles /ATVs (no more dog sleds ) down to the store to pick up their food. They stopped practicing their culture in lew of a warm house , electricity and TVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
I might sound a little jaded but, unlike most 'white' Canadians, I have actually lived, worked and spent time socializing on Cree reservations while I worked in Northern Manitoba. I know how the vast majority live. Great people for the most part and some very well educated. But few if any carried on a nomadic hunter gatherer lifestyle.
It wasn't the residential schools persee (yes some took advantage of the schooling to seek an education) it was them that voluntarily assimilated into the 'colonialist' lifestyle compliments of the money they received thru the Indian Act. Now with vehicles, snowmachines, ATVs, houses, free money etc they gave up or 'killed' their own native culture and language. Other than ceremonial events, they rarely show a glimpse of their past. Their culture evolved away from what they were.
I'll bet there is but a handful of Indigenous people far up north that live off the land anymore.
Sorry to burst your ego bubble but the last thing I'd want to do is check you out, you just happen to stick out like a sore thumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
Yes, they fell into all of the bad habits some of us have, we definitely did a bang up job of assimilating them. They, like predatory wildlife, have become opportunistic scavengers. We didn't really committed genocide, we just overran their continent so badly, they were unable to adequate pursue their traditional ways of life, so they ended up, falling back on our colonial welfare plan. We definitely have made many of them, what they are today, and yes, the Indian Act was a large contributor in seeing that they remained suppressed. It would appear we have done ourselves proud, gentlemen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
Wow you twisted that nice....Quote:
they were unable to adequate pursue their traditional ways of life, so they ended up, falling back on our colonial welfare plan"
They demanded 'reparations' from the government. What they did with the money was adopt the easier life and abandon their culture. Nothing then or now stoped them from their traditional lifestyle. ...ie: how many would give up their satellite TV, computers, and IPhones to go back to spending their evenings telling stories, in their native tongues, of their heritage and culture around a campfire every evening...like the good old days.
A glimpse into what this lady is all about.
The bonus is the 1st 1.30 minutes where she is asked to defend herself against harassment complaints...reminds me of GG Payette :)
At around 1:30 she lets it be known the taxpayers are on the hook for a whack more reparations from the Village Idiot..
Love the part where she roles her eyes because money was spent on the pandemic...:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IpBtOXogh8
Long before the Indian Act the Hudson's Bay Company and the Northwest Company permanently changed the culture of most Northern FNs from subsistence nomadic hunter gatherers to one based on trading furs with the colonies in exchange for goods and services. The culture loss started long before the feds got involved.
^^^^^ what he said!^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
At least they still went out and harvested their own pelts and exchanged them for goods....now they sit on the lawn at the post office on the 26th of the month waiting for their welfare cheques to arrive (personally seen ever month in Thompson MB).Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Plenty of generations of white folks have done that, I saw it for 35 years in Cabbagetown, that when the same guys were not locked up having a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Well many of the Indians had long term villages, like the Iroquois for example, as soon as the diseases were introduced by the earliest Europeans or firearms introduced there were massive changes. Some areas of the US (seems Canada is an unknown) the estimate is that in some areas possibly as much as 90% of the population was decimated where small and medium towns disappeared and large (by Indian standards) towns reduced to small villages in the 50 or so years between explorers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
There is also the example of what happened with the Neutral nation in Ontario, completely killed or enslaved supposedly over the protests of the French at the time. About the same time as the Indian Act came into existence there was the Metis Rebellions, in the US the Sioux Wars including Custer's Last Stand the same year as the Indian Act. The situation then and the low population and the possibility of wars, Confederation, the railroad, the threat from the US taking Western areas of Canada .... so much going on and we have a media that won't even question that budgets will magically balance themselves selling their simplified opinions that are no help.
I remember an interview with a chief (don't remember US or Canada), the Chief had no issue with being accountable and disclosure of spending and the reserve was being run like a corporation and with shares and being run very well... unlike the Soup diet Chief's reserve where she fought disclosure and accountability and the reserve was a mess. There are too many bureaucrats, corrupt chiefs and under the table dealing that need to be weeded out as a start to fixing the current situation
While not disagreeing with what you are stating my post was in reference to Northern FNs as stated. Typically this refers to the FNs on Rupert's Land which was in essence the land area draining into the Hudson's Bay Watershed. No villages (at most they had seasonal camps unlike the Iroquois and Wendat in the south), no Indian wars, no interaction with the colonies other than fur trade although European disease would still have been an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
This needs to be a two way street though. First nations band councils have been misappropriating government funds forever and living high on the hog while band members live in poverty. Remember Attiwapiskat? Approximately $104-million was paid to the first nation between April 2005 and November 2011 – mostly for education, health, social services, water and housing. But many of the roughly 1,500 residents live in abject poverty. During an audit of 505 transactions that the firm examined to determine whether they were complied with federal funding agreements, 409 lacked proper documentation. "An average of 81 per cent of files did not have adequate supporting documents and over 60 per cent had no documentation of the reason for payment,"
In the last 10 years,the government has coughed up almost $24Billion to FN projects and welfare cheques without one damn thing to show for it. Something has to change because what we're doing right now is a bust.
and the first day of her new tenure as chief...she's telling Trudeau he has to give them $billions more. It's a never-ending sinkhole of demands.
I think it's beyond the time that the government gives FN leadership 12 months notice and ,then,pulls the plug completely. Everything else that's been tried hasn't worked,only making matters worse. It's time to take a different tack.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
This guy sums it up beautifully.
https://www.facebook.com/harley.munr...2725650557491/
Not a bust, the bodies are showing up all over the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I have to wonder though ... what is everyone's vision for First Nations today ... I mean what does a good life of a FN member look like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
Is it still living like FN did back in 1850 ... or something else?
Why don't we start there ... why don't we let FN define HOW they see themselves living today ... do they want to assimilate, or do they want everyone to go away and go back to how it was in 1850?? I don't actually understand what they want ... you know, if everything could be "fixed up".
Probably what they want they can never ever get back. Rich lands all over the USA which were taken away from them when they aligned themselves with the Crown and fought for the British and ended up with inferior lands in Canada. Then Canadian aboriginal's who also fought for the Crown ended up with inferior lands in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
The problem as I see it was started with the British Monarchy and as they own Crown lands in Canada they can do all the compensation and sort the mess out that they started.
Even Indigenous People who have succeeded, say it has to change, Jody Wilson-Raboult is one of them :Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
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“For Attawapiskat and for all First Nations, the Indian Act is not a suitable system of government, it is not consistent with the rights enshrined in our Constitution, the principles as set out in (UNDRIP) or calls to action from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission report. In addition to the need for social and economic support, urgently needed in Attawapiskat and all First Nations, all Indigenous Peoples need to be empowered to take back control of their own lives,” she said in April 2016, according to APTN.
Nice to see a guy call a spade a spade....I've posted many of the same things he said on here...the gravesite debacle is purely political and bares more scrutiny as to why it came forward just before an election is called.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
Maybe because O Toole opened his mouth and the wrong words came out stating that the residential schools were set up to educate aboriginal people, maybe he should have tried to educate himself before spouting off. Now we have his Mea Culpa statement to the press while wearing egg all over his face, pretty funny really.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNm9_b0j7JcQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Whelp ... until there is agreement on what that vision is TODAY ... then this won't ever end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
But I'd first start asking first nations about how do they see themselves living out their lives ... I wouldn't focus on capital, or materialistic things right away. I'd be like ... do you want to integrate with the modern economy, or do you want to live in isolation with your own community? Or is there something else that we don't see.
Most cultures will adjust with the times ... the Italians did when they came to Canada, and they prospered. They actually faced lots of prejudice when they arrived, but they faced that head on, and look now ... they've built most of the residential communities in Southern Ontario. My wife's mom is Native American ... their tribe assimilated into Western Society so well that they are not even recognized as a status Indian (which I think is crazy ... either you are or you aren't a Native Indian). Search it up ... Lumbi tribe out of North America ... they get no status. LOL ... that's what you get for doing well with the cards thrown at you.
Right where the majority of liberal voters live in Canada. Makes sense, another bunch of useless freeloading liberals living off the backs of taxpayers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
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The indigenous people and the initial colonialists began with the idea of jointly sharing this great land. That idea went out the window as more and more immigrants pour into this land With them came the need to expand settlement. Clearly indigenous people were not in a position to comprehend the level of migration that would come envelop the land. As the colonial numbers climbed the aspirations of share this great land evaporated. Nor did indigenous people have any say on placing limits on the level of immigration. One wonders, if today that had a say, how they would view current immigration polices.
You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
The Indigenous embraced the new lifestyle immigration bought to this country. As it flourished and grew with innovation, they freely adopted (assimilated) to enjoy the same material things that were newly developed. Like the automobile, snowmobile etc etc. It improved their lives and they adapted to it freely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
Today walk onto a reservation anywhere and see how it compares to any 'colonists' suburb. Cars and trucks in every driveway, satellite TV, computers, stoves, fridges , smartphones etc etc. All the conveniences they gladly own, even though it came from white society.
Would they, looking back change things? ...NOT on your life. Silly to suggest that they would choose to continue a nomadic life and watch the world evolve and grow beyond their grasp.
I have to wonder then, why they grow so concern with the damage that is being done to the natural environment, the pollution of the water resources, the takeover as pipelines attempt to access unceded land dragging with them more settlement expansion. They should be running out to embrace these things, a long with the toys and jobs and their share of the economic wealth that come with them. Strange how they went out their way to halt rail traffic, no long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut
I"m sure their last concern is about the environment. If you've ever spent any time whatsoever on or near a northern native community you'd be hard pressed to find a dirtier, garbage strewn landscape in north American. Slums of Detroit might be a close match. Some reserves are run well, most are not.
They lost all credibility in regards to Indigenous concerns with the environment when all court actions are settled once they are given enough money. It always boils down to giving them money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
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First Nations have good economic reasons to support pipelines because their right to be consulted has enabled them to negotiate lucrative mutual-benefit agreements (MBAs) with the proponents. Although many details remain confidential for business reasons, such an agreement typically offers a First Nation several million dollars up front, plus tens of millions over the life of the pipeline. First Nation supporters of Coastal GasLink will also receive cash payments from British Columbia’s resourcerevenue sharing policy. Beyond these cash payments, MBAs also include valuable guarantees of employment, job training, and contract set-asides, which in the long run may be worth more than the cash
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The annual financial statements filed by the Peters Band (INAC, 2017) show reception in 2014/15 of $606,000 from Kinder Morgan for “capacity building,” that is, hiring consultants to analyze the company’s proposal. Another payment of $2,586,420 came from Kinder Morgan next year. This was a pre-payment on the MBA, said to be required to obtain the band’s approval. The same year, the band government distributed $1,932,400 to First Nation members. The payout was said to be $30,000 apiece to the more than 60 members. The 2016/17 financial statements also record “other revenue” of $1,079,270
Of course the elected chiefs could be bought, they have been essentially assimilated, it appeared to be the traditional chiefs that offered greatest resistance and drew other first nations into the ordeal. I'm curious did they ever treaty for the unceded land in questions? Until they do the indigenous still exert a degree of environment control over matters. From what I understand they have no interest in treating and turning land rights over to the crown. Has there been any progress a long the lines of treaty making? Perhaps the price tag for that has become far too high. What exactly was hatched out between the government and the traditional chiefs? Indigenous concern for the environment is reliant on their retentions of the land rights. Have they given those up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
In the one example I posted..the entire reservations of 60 people were given $30K each for their signature to allow the pipeline to cross their sacred land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
Environmental issues are put aside for money in their pockets.Quote:
Until they do the indigenous still exert a degree of environment control over matters.
Ceded and unceded land issues are not pertinent to the discussion, it's understood and why permissions are required and companies pay the toll.
Now you know why a wise king set up the wording of the Royal Proclamation in the matter he did? He realized that some of the indigenous race could be easily slickered and their land rights stolen, for song. Until the a treat is established the indigenous still hold the rights on land and after they blow their $30,000 each I suspect they will be back for more. I wonder how much of pay out will be eventually be arrived at for the city of Ottawa. So face it, those who continually complain about the money paid out to the indigenous people, that's life. As I like to view it, they are the landlords and we are the tenants, so enjoy the ride on the rent. The only trouble with unceded land, there isn't any rent control measures, so I can well imagine in time there will be an escalation in cost for the oil barons, which will indirectly impact on to us at the gas pumps. Oh, well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
If they're the landlords...why do they keep asking us to fix their water problems. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
I saw a clause in a Treaty contract that stipulated "unless conquered" I guess there are options :)
The natives are the proxy warriors of the oligarchs, plain and simple. The foot soldiers of revolutionary fervour in this country.
The liberal elites pretend to care about them, but just use them as pawns for political gain. Even in the rare case that a grievance is organic in origin, it gets co-opted immediately. This is nothing new.
Various Jewish groups and financiers in the U.S. used blacks as their proxy warriors during the civil rights era, where massive ethnic cleansing occurred in various Catholic urban neighbourhoods (Polish, Irish, Italian, German). They became hollowed-out, democrat run welfare states and have remained so to this day.
About a year and a half before Martin Luther King was shot, the whole movement started to get quite violent. This saw the rise of the Black Panthers (created by radical leftist David Horrowitz, who is now a neo-con) and ultimately led to a break down of the black-Jewish alliance.
It has been resurrected today with domestic terrorist groups like BLM (funded by George Soros to the tune of about 33 million...) and groups like the ADL & NAACP.
It's easy to forget, but all of what appears to be interracial conflict in America is intra-racial battles occurring mostly between people of English descent. In fact, a pretty straight line can be drawn from the purity movements of the 16th and 17th century to modern forms of zealotry found in woke politics.
The elite in America used everything from the Second World War to the Great Migration in order to increase their own power and marginalize any threats while the upstarts were still incipient.
And the main threat?
The "ethnics" (I'm sure the WASPs, Quakers, and eventually Jewish element of the ruling contingent would have less flattering names for these people), those people from the Old Countries, whose parochial loyalties and more literalist religious beliefs weren't really compatible with central planning from on high (particularly from the Ivies and from Washington, D.C., from which Americans still tend to receive their collective marching orders).
I wonder what they do with all the smoke and weed money they make
It is nice to see the acts of genocide spelt out, Badenoch. What puzzle me is they’ve tackled Cornwallis down in the maritime for encouraging scalp hunting , they gone after Sir John A, and Ryerson, for culture genocide in relation to the residential school. How did they ever miss, Lord Amherst?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
" In 1851, Francis Parkman was the first historian to document Lord Amherst's “shameful plan” to exterminate Indians by giving them smallpox-infected blankets taken from the corpses of British soldiers at Fort Pitt in 1763 (Parkman 1991:646–651)."
Genocide by germ warfare, we’ve be talking a lot about infectious germs these day. As I recall from my reading there was island down I believe in the Caribbean where a trick like this was employed. It wiped out the entire indigenous population, and the island was eventually repopulated by using Africans.
You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut. .
ding ding dingQuote:
Originally Posted by mikepal
edit: I’m not criticizing them with the above and I don’t think Mike is either. If I could live up north, hunt, fish, boat, ATV, snowmobile or do whatever else I wanted to on someone else’s dime I likely would.
makes ya feel dumb doesn’t it ?