Lockdowns killed more Canadians under 65 than COVID-19: Statscan

Waiting to see how our resident troll is going to try and spin this one.
Crimes against humanity!

"The consequences of government-enforced lockdowns killed more Canadians under the age of 65 than the COVID-19 virus itself, according to a report by Statistics Canada.
In a report titled Provisional death counts and excess mortality, the government agency reviewed the number of deaths between January 2020 to April 2021 and concluded that 5,535 Canadians under the age of 65 died because of “indirect consequences” due to the pandemic.
Over the same time period, 1380 Canadians in the same age group died because of COVID-19 itself."

https://tnc.news/2021/07/18/lockdown...d-19-statscan/

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...10712b-eng.htm

Maybe they got my memo lol. I have been saying it a while now that almost 20 time's the deaths from opioids than covid 19 deaths under the age of 50.

My new stats this weekend suggest that more people are murdered every year than covid took under the age of 50.

Just over 600 homicides a year in Canada yet under that died in 18 months there was less than 600 covid deaths under the age of 50.


You have a higher chance of getting murdered in Canada than dying with covid. Under the age of 50.


Thanks for posting.

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So the lives of 25,000+ people 65 and over who died aren't considered significant. Let your parents and grandparents know their lives don't matter.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

So the lives of 25,000+ people 65 and over who died aren't considered significant. Let your parents and grandparents know their lives don't matter.

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LOL...is that the best spin you can do?
Not impressed. You need to refresh your playbook.
The other guys got the memo.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

So the lives of 25,000+ people 65 and over who died aren't considered significant. Let your parents and grandparents know their lives don't matter.

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Are those the ones that had 3 or more comorbitities,sent to the home where the average stay is 8 months and were doomed anyway or the ones that died with covid not from covid? We all know the average life expectancy is the same as the average age of a covid death and we all know the death rate hasn't increased except for those under 65 who died because of lockdowns. When those same demographics died of the flu it wasn't an issue. Why don't you tell your kids and your grandkids their future doesn't matter?

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Are those the ones that had 3 or more comorbitities,sent to the home where the average stay is 8 months and were doomed anyway or the ones that died with covid not from covid? We all know the average life expectancy is the same as the average age of a covid death and we all know the death rate hasn't increased except for those under 65 who died because of lockdowns. When those same demographics died of the flu it wasn't an issue. Why don't you tell your kids and your grandkids their future doesn't matter?

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Sure, they were old right? They were sick and gonna die anyway. Who cares?

https://globalnews.ca/news/7633055/c...ath-influenza/

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Risk of death 3.5 times higher for COVID-19 than influenza: CMAJ study
By Staff The Canadian Press
Posted February 10, 2021 6:56 pm

A study published Wednesday in the Canadian Medical Association Journal (CMAJ) found the risk of death from COVID-19 was 3.5 times higher than from influenza.

The numbers put a figure on the severity of the novel coronavirus, which experts have been speaking to since the pandemic began.

The study analyzed hospitalized cases of COVID and influenza between November 2019 and June 2020 in seven Toronto-area hospitals, finding that people admitted with COVID-19 were 1.5 times more likely to need intensive care, and stayed in hospitals 1.5 times longer than patients admitted with influenza.

The study used data extracted from hospital computer systems to describe details of patients’ hospitalizations, says Dr. Amol Verma of St. Michael’s Hospital and the University of Toronto.

That data included things like demographics, vital signs, laboratory test results, use of hospital resources like ventilators, and outcomes of their hospital stay — whether they died in hospital, needed intensive care, or were re-admitted.

The findings from the Canadian study were similar to results recently reported in France and the United States, the CMAJ says.

“We can now say definitively that COVID-19 is much more severe than seasonal influenza,” Verma said in a release.

The study described hospitalizations in Toronto and Mississauga, Ont. — areas with large populations and high levels of COVID-19 — and included all patients admitted to medical services or the intensive care units (ICU) for influenza or COVID-19.

There were 1,027 hospitalizations for COVID-19 in 972 patients — some re-admissions were included in the study — compared to 783 hospitalizations for influenza in 763 patients.

Those figures represent 23.5 per cent of all hospitalizations for COVID-19 in Ontario during the study period.

Most patients hospitalized with COVID-19 had few other illnesses, and 21 per cent were younger than 50 years of age. People younger than 50 also accounted for 24 per cent of admissions to the ICU, the study found.

While COVID-19 generally affects older adults more severely, Verma says the study highlights that the illness can also have serious impacts on younger people.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

So the lives of 25,000+ people 65 and over who died aren't considered significant. Let your parents and grandparents know their lives don't matter.

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No they obviously didn't matter.
The government chose to not treat them.
Your hypocrisy is a joke!

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Sure, they were old right? They were sick and gonna die anyway. Who cares?

https://globalnews.ca/news/7633055/c...ath-influenza/

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Yeah they were old, yeah you can't stop the inevitable. As for who cares that's your leftarded spin of a feeble attempt to brush off the preceding truths.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Sure, they were old right? They were sick and gonna die anyway. Who cares?

https://globalnews.ca/news/7633055/c...ath-influenza/

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Your MSM reports are conflicting with facts or just make sense? Looks like this year's early flu season influenza apparently disappeared.
Not seeing any confirmed cases?

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sourc...VoWEd9oIPbNs_-

With zero cases of influenza this year, risk of covid death is 3.5 times higher than zero:scream:..:fish:.lmao

Your only fooling yourself, even your comrades are crickets lol

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There were 1,027 hospitalizations for COVID-19 in 972 patients — some re-admissions were included in the study — compared to 783 hospitalizations for influenza in 763 patients.

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That is only a 20% increase over a normal flu season (a far cry from the sensational title of 3.5 times) . That should never overwhelm a properly run Hospital system. Even if they were running at 80% capacity they should be able to absorb that without calling in the Military to set up the MUST Hosptial.

It was the same as the ICUs...Ottawa has something like 80 ICU beds across the city....they were crying they were being overwhelmed when there were 10 Covid ICU patients...why is that ?

It couldn't have been all that bad, even the Emergency overflow beds set up in some cities were barely used. There was no 'overrunning' of the hospitals except in the GTA where they don't have enough medical centers for that density of people. Especially in areas where there is greater obesity (Diabetes) rates and poor health are the norms.

edit add: Sorry ..you're not allowed to call them obese..they are racialized. :)

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

So the lives of 25,000+ people 65 and over who died aren't considered significant. Let your parents and grandparents know their lives don't matter.

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Apparently those death's gave or gives opportunities. That's what our government says. To our sick deranged government those death's gave opportunity.

Still haven't figured it out yet have you?
Not my words but the government's lol.




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Originally Posted by MikePal

That is only a 20% increase over a normal flu season (a far cry from the sensational title of 3.5 times) . That should never overwhelm a properly run Hospital system. Even if they were running at 80% capacity they should be able to absorb that without calling in the Military to set up the MUST Hosptial.

It was the same as the ICUs...Ottawa has something like 80 ICU beds across the city....they were crying they were being overwhelmed when there were 10 Covid ICU patients...why is that ?

It couldn't have been all that bad, even the Emergency overflow beds set up in some cities were barely used. There was no 'overrunning' of the hospitals except in the GTA where they don't have enough medical centers for that density of people. Especially in areas where there is greater obesity (Diabetes) rates and poor health are the norms.

edit add: Sorry ..you're not allowed to call them obese..they are racialized. :)

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The problem is they have been overwhelmed for years prior to the pandemic. The bigger problem is they did little to prepare for an increase of cases. The original lockdown was supposed to prepare for what's coming. They did nothing to very little.

Now onto wave 3and 4 Field hospitals sat empty then whine about flying patients to other places lol. Would of been faster to drive hehe lol.

We talked about this last year



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Originally Posted by impact

Waiting to see how our resident troll is going to try and spin this one.
Crimes against humanity!

"The consequences of government-enforced lockdowns killed more Canadians under the age of 65 than the COVID-19 virus itself, according to a report by Statistics Canada.
In a report titled Provisional death counts and excess mortality, the government agency reviewed the number of deaths between January 2020 to April 2021 and concluded that 5,535 Canadians under the age of 65 died because of “indirect consequences” due to the pandemic.
Over the same time period, 1380 Canadians in the same age group died because of COVID-19 itself."

https://tnc.news/2021/07/18/lockdown...d-19-statscan/

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...10712b-eng.htm

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I would have thought you would have led with the line “ Canadians have been victims of some of the strictest public health orders in the world, rivalling communist countries like China and Cuba.”

One has to admire the spin by the right wing fringe propaganda machine that True North is.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Maybe they got my memo lol. I have been saying it a while now that almost 20 time's the deaths from opioids than covid 19 deaths under the age of 50.

My new stats this weekend suggest that more people are murdered every year than covid took under the age of 50.

Just over 600 homicides a year in Canada yet under that died in 18 months there was less than 600 covid deaths under the age of 50.


You have a higher chance of getting murdered in Canada than dying with covid. Under the age of 50.


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In my mind dying from opioid was completely voluntary and not the result of anything or anyone but that person

All others who died get my sympathy whether from COVID or anything else that wasn’t voluntary Russian roulette

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I would have thought you would have led with the line “ Canadians have been victims of some of the strictest public health orders in the world, rivalling communist countries like China and Cuba.”

One has to admire the spin by the right wing fringe propaganda machine that True North is.

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While not typically a fan of the Hysteria Impact likes to spread, his link from StatsCan is credible. Regardless of what tnc says the StatsCan numbers do not lie. More people under age 64 did in fact perish from causes other than COVID than would be expected. The only thing that changed in the period in question are the lock downs. Ergo attributing these excess deaths to factors caused by the lock downs is a reasonable assumption.

The million dollar question than becomes if there were no lockdowns how much would the number of deaths from COVID have increased? Would it be more than the number of excess deaths observed by StatsCan? No way to answer that accurately.

While I don’t usually agree with Badenoch’s take on things, I would have to ask - if a disease came along that disproportionately affected kids below the age of 5, would anyone be quoting similar statistics or would we all pitch in to save the kids ?

In one sense, ageism is a big of a problem as racism. A scientist might also say that’s nature before modern medicine and social welfare changed everything. Food for discussion.

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While not typically a fan of the Hysteria Impact likes to spread, his link from StatsCan is credible. Regardless of what tnc says the StatsCan numbers do not lie. More people under age 64 did in fact perish from causes other than COVID than would be expected. The only thing that changed in the period in question are the lock downs. Ergo attributing these excess deaths to factors caused by the lock downs is a reasonable assumption.

The million dollar question than becomes if there were no lockdowns how much would the number of deaths from COVID have increased? Would it be more than the number of excess deaths observed by StatsCan? No way to answer that accurately.

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I’m not arguing the Stats, just the spin. I know many on here like to compare Canada to Cuba, North Korea, China. I didn’t see that in the Statscan information.

The drug crisis and the correlation to the despair that many people had to face over the last year is a interesting read. Who knows, perhaps basic income might have had an effect on those numbers?

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I’m not arguing the Stats, just the spin. I know many on here like to compare Canada to Cuba, North Korea, China. I didn’t see that in the Statscan information.

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I try to ignore spin and just look at facts but being human impedes that. It is human nature to spin any and all things to fit the narrative and agenda that one supports. The far left, the left, the middle, the right and the far right are all guilty of it as is every religion ever invented. Spin is meaningless and generally detracts from any type of meaningful discussion.

This also qualifies as spin to me:

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

Who knows, perhaps basic income might have had an effect on those numbers?

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You are a proponent ideologically of basic income and as such you take the excess deaths and try to spin them so they might support basic income. What reality is that based in? Any facts to back that up or is it just an opportunity to push your idea that basic income is a good plan?

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

While I don’t usually agree with Badenoch’s take on things, I would have to ask - if a disease came along that disproportionately affected kids below the age of 5, would anyone be quoting similar statistics or would we all pitch in to save the kids ?

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We had that with Influenza ( HxNx) one year not that long ago...that variant hit Children far worse. I remember all the pictures of families lining up at community centers and school gyms to get their children the Flu shot. Lots of panic. That was the first time the term 'herd immunity' was used as it was the only hope to save the kids. Thankfully we had a flu shot available and it was just a rush to get it into the arms of the kids.

And yes statistics were used, again to create a sense of fear in an attempt to get parents to take their kids in for the shots (more kids better herd immunity) .

I remember the discussions here on the forum with the True and Non-believers of the vaccines. Even when it was the kids more seriously at risk.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

In my mind dying from opioid was completely voluntary and not the result of anything or anyone but that person

All others who died get my sympathy whether from COVID or anything else that wasn’t voluntary Russian roulette

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lol you have a pretty 1 sided way of looking at things or you just dont understand opioids at all.

alot of people who are addicted to opioids you can thank the health care system for that.

same with people who are addicted to hard drugs like heroine for example. it all started with doctor prescribed opioids and is why its been such a pandemic in the recent years.

[QUOTE=Species8472;1166583]I try to ignore spin and just look at facts but being human impedes that. It is human nature to spin any and all things to fit the narrative and agenda that one supports. The far left, the left, the middle, the right and the far right are all guilty of it as is every religion ever invented. Spin is meaningless and generally detracts from any type of meaningful discussion.

This also qualifies as spin to me:



You are a proponent ideologically of basic income and as such you take the excess deaths and try to spin them so they might support basic income. What reality is that based in? Any facts to back that up or is it just an opportunity to push your idea that basic income is a good plan?[/QUOTE

1. It’s not my idea as you suggest.
2. Who says I’m a proponent of the idea?
3. Meaningful discussion should be encouraged. The few who attempt it here are met with contempt, scorn and encouraged to remove themselves from the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

I’m not arguing the Stats, just the spin. I know many on here like to compare Canada to Cuba, North Korea, China. I didn’t see that in the Statscan information.

The drug crisis and the correlation to the despair that many people had to face over the last year is a interesting read. Who knows, perhaps basic income might have had an effect on those numbers?

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As far as the drug crisis - it would have made it worse.
That has been studied prior to the pandemic. Where there are drug problems, attempting to remedy them by increasing the users financial resources only results in worsening the problem.

The other think with opiod deaths - while they do affect the down-and-out crowd some, most of the deaths are in in middle income groups - recreational users having accidental overdoses.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

I try to ignore spin and just look at facts but being human impedes that. It is human nature to spin any and all things to fit the narrative and agenda that one supports. The far left, the left, the middle, the right and the far right are all guilty of it as is every religion ever invented. Spin is meaningless and generally detracts from any type of meaningful discussion.

This also qualifies as spin to me:



You are a proponent ideologically of basic income and as such you take the excess deaths and try to spin them so they might support basic income. What reality is that based in? Any facts to back that up or is it just an opportunity to push your idea that basic income is a good plan?[/QUOTE

1. It’s not my idea as you suggest.
2. Who says I’m a proponent of the idea?
3. Meaningful discussion should be encouraged. The few who attempt it here are met with contempt, scorn and encouraged to remove themselves from the discussion.

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CameraCutter: you brought the concept of basic income into the discussion and now deny that you are a proponent….losing credibility fast bud

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CameraCutter: you brought the concept of basic income into the discussion and now deny that you are a proponent….losing credibility fast bud

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It’s a point of discussion. I’d need to know what it looks like before I’d be in favour of it. If it replaces other social services like welfare and EI, perhaps it’s cheaper in the long run? And as far as my creditably, I’d you actually think I give a rats arse what the preconceived judgements of others on here matters to me, well let’s just say it doesn’t. So feel free to use the ignore feature.

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It’s a point of discussion. I’d need to know what it looks like before I’d be in favour of it. If it replaces other social services like welfare and EI, perhaps it’s cheaper in the long run? And as far as my creditably, I’d you actually think I give a rats arse what the preconceived judgements of others on here matters to me, well let’s just say it doesn’t. So feel free to use the ignore feature.

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Priceless. Reminds me of a government tactic used by both Conservatives and Liberals….they have an idea that they’d like to implement so they “accidentally leak” news of it and see the public and media reaction. If the reaction is bad, it was “just something that a junior staffer was working on”….if it’s good - new government policy !

if you weren’t in favour of a basic income you would never have mentioned it, but go ahead and sit on your pretend fence.

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Priceless. Reminds me of a government tactic used by both Conservatives and Liberals….they have an idea that they’d like to implement so they “accidentally leak” news of it and see the public and media reaction. If the reaction is bad, it was “just something that a junior staffer was working on”….if it’s good - new government policy !

if you weren’t in favour of a basic income you would never have mentioned it, but go ahead and sit on your pretend fence.

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It’s nice up here. Almost as good a view as from your high horse.

When are we going to think about this ?

https://youtu.be/KmaYpnKo2x0

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3. Meaningful discussion should be encouraged. The few who attempt it here are met with contempt, scorn and encouraged to remove themselves from the discussion.

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How come many many members here do not have meaningful discussion ???At the other hand, there are the" few" -apparently the only ones ,who can do meaningful discussion here?
Who is to decide about what is a meaningful discussion?

Crimes against humanity!

"The consequences of government-enforced lockdowns killed more Canadians under the age of 65 than the COVID-19 virus itself, according to a report by Statistics Canada.
In a report titled Provisional death counts and excess mortality, the government agency reviewed the number of deaths between January 2020 to April 2021 and concluded that 5,535 Canadians under the age of 65 died because of “indirect consequences” due to the pandemic.
Over the same time period, 1380 Canadians in the same age group died because of COVID-19 itself."

https://tnc.news/2021/07/18/lockdown...d-19-statscan/

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...10712b-eng.htm

Additionally, here are month of July stats of 2021 vaccinated versus 2020 non vaccinated.
Draw your own conclusion about the effectiveness.

https://i.imgur.com/je10Vjm.png

https://i.imgur.com/pLUI3aW.png

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbc...ers_and_spread

Please keep in mind you may not agree with an opposing point of view however keep the discussion from name calling or derogatory terms.

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5,535 Canadians under the age of 65 died because of “indirect consequences” due to the pandemic.

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boredom ? how are they relating these stats ?!

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boredom ? how are they relating these stats ?!

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Perhaps you can reach out to the 5,535 families and they can better explain?

I didnt write the article.

if I make a false claim about deer hunting, will u go and ask deers ? or rather ask me how do u know that or where did that come from ?

not questioning YOU personally. Questioning the article and numbers. covid lovers might as wel call those deaths covid related ...

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boredom ? how are they relating these stats ?!

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The damage done doesn't stop there. Canadian Doctors Speak Out.
https://rumble.com/vhag6d-canadian-d...9LCcgHywyURRDE