Hey guys & gals…
anyone have experience using Hornady lever evolution 30/30 win 160gr FTX bullets in the big woods for deer hunting. Just wondering how they stand up in thick brush??
thanks
Dustin
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Hey guys & gals…
anyone have experience using Hornady lever evolution 30/30 win 160gr FTX bullets in the big woods for deer hunting. Just wondering how they stand up in thick brush??
thanks
Dustin
Not the 30-30, but I have a sample size of one when I shot a doe with a .44 magnum in a ruger carbine. It made a perfect entry and a pretty nice exit hole while turning the heart/lungs inside out. Doe went 50 yards but left a giant blood trail that a blind man could follow. They won’t shoot through trees though, but I’d certainly shoot another deer with them. Most guys running levers at my old camp where using them except one guy still shooting ammunition he had leftover from the 60’s. They’ll work if you can connect.Quote:
Originally Posted by missy83
Hold up in the brush?
There is no cartridge that will bust brush.
Dont worry,just mind your aim and distance.
You need to know ,the plastic tip is more sensitive to hitting thicker twigs,because it may disintegrate in a flight(to a degree)thus wounding, not killing.Which should be avoided.
I guess ,if the twig is closer to the animal,would not matter that much.
If you are in heavier brush,lead nose may be a better choice.Even then-distance matters.
I've shot the lever evolution in 30/30 at paper but not at deer. My initial impression was I didn't need the extra noise and recoil out of the little 30/30.Quote:
Originally Posted by missy83
Inside 100 yards, a 170 grain Winchester power point makes a nice hole and leaves a great blood trail. Usually better than I find with the 30-06. I have inadvertently attempted "brush busting" when using the 30/30 in the old hound camp. I had 3 deer come out ahead of the dogs, I shot the first one. Two ran over to the next guy, he missed, one came back and I fired 6 times (slowly and precisely) at the walking deer at around 40 yards and missed every shot. Upon further inspection I found bullet marks all through the little saplings where the deer was standing and never touched a hair.
A humbling experience that ended with a lot of exciting noise for the gang but only one of three deer down.
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My experience with .44mag and .444 LE ammo is that the bullets are constructed very lightly. If you hit any bones - even ribs - the bullet fragments badly. That seems really counter to the logic of shooting a large caliber. The .44 mag on paper seemed not a lot different from remingtons. The .444 on paper shoot a lot better than the remingtons. (in a JM stamped XLR).
It is probably because they are using pistol bullets in rifles with higher velocities, one of the huge problem with the 444 Marlin, people load pistol bullets in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
I harvested once a nice 10 point deer ,at about 50 yards,thru really heavy bush(open hardwoods on wet soil have million saplings sticking out -just about everywhere).Height-diameter and type of sapling varies wildly.November,no leafs though.
The deer was walking thru,and i had no other choice.The deer ran 150 yards.I clipped one lung and punched the liver and the other lung).The deer ran into a tree trunk V,and expired.
I was shooting a 20 gage 2 3/4 Win Partition Gold Sabot slug(the best there it is-alas it shoots for nothing from my Savage).That bullet matches the 45/70 ballistics .
Did its job perfectly.
Both the hornady and remington 265gr .444 is supposed to be a .444 specific bullet. But you are right about the pistol bullets. The remington 240 grains are a .44 mag bullet and they mushroom out to over an inch. But at least they stick in one piece. The hornady 265's fragment badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I have a 50 cal muzzle loader, I wanted to run 44 cal bullets, just due to the ability to get other bullets for plinking. I refuse to buy the packs that they put out, a 240gr pistol bullet pushed by 100gr of 777 powder, that thing is going to open up like crazy, I went with the 300gr XTP, reduce that velocity a bit and gain some sectional density.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
I cannot believe they are still loading 444 with pistol bullets, I guess they have not learned.
I don't have faith that any .30-30 bullet is better in the brush than any other. I load my .30-30 with 150 Speer flatpoints because they are accurate with max loads of Leverevolution powder. If I were going hunting somewhere brushy, I'd still use that load, but if all I had was FTX bullets I'd use them without a second thought.
2017 Manitoulin 200 lb 10 point buck, 25 yards. I picked an open spot in the trees...just saying. The buck never took a step. I pulled the trigger and the buck dropped. Double lung shot. Winchester 94, 32 special using leverevolution. When I dressed the deer, the chest cavity was just a blood filled void. The lungs were just gone. I will continue to use this ammo.
P.S.: The accuracy is great in my gun.
I learned a long time ago that nothing really pushes bush in any respectable, repeatable, and dependable way.
A twig along the way will knock a big bullet off course.
Bullet construction determines fragmentation. I try to stick with all copper bullets for hunting for that reason and I don’t like lead migration in the deer I shoot.