Lifetime background check implemented for firearm licence applicants

Firearms licence applicants are now subject to a lifetime background check (instead of five years) to ensure eligibility.
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More BS that law abiding gun owners now have to deal with....too bad they didn't just address the real problems such as gangs and rezzy smuggling.

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Originally Posted by LiveBates

More BS that law abiding gun owners now have to deal with....too bad they didn't just address the real problems such as gangs and rezzy smuggling.

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How very true!!! Unfortunately turdeau hasn't the plums to tackle the real issues as he is afraid he may offend someone as we all know and can see.

Just another tool for a bureaucrat to impose a lifetime ban.
What ever happened to the "sentenced served"?

Why is it that the Libs want total control of your lives?
Do they not believe in the rehab of people for past mistakes?
People who are career criminals re-offend in the span of five years I'm sure. So, what is the point of the witch hunt?

It is certain that the lawless gang bangers will not care as the sentences are still too lenient.
Seems to me that the Libs are running scared of the current law abiding gun owning citizens.
We show intelligence, are not dumbed down and a threat to them...lol

If you are already a gun owner this doesn't affect you. Why the negative comments? Whats wrong with that? I see nothing wrong with a background check if you want to get your firearms licence?

Has nothing to do with law abiding citizens because if you are, clearly nothing will happen with your background check and you will be approved ?


Law abiding gun owners have nothing to worry about here either as you already have your gun licence so whats wrong with this?

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

If you are already a gun owner this doesn't affect you. Why the negative comments? Whats wrong with that? I see nothing wrong with a background check if you want to get your firearms licence?

Has nothing to do with law abiding citizens because if you are, clearly nothing will happen with your background check and you will be approved ?


Law abiding gun owners have nothing to worry about here either as you already have your gun licence so whats wrong with this?

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What if you were not law abiding lets say 25 years ago and a domestic complaint was leveled against an individual.
Based on that information a bureaucrat denies you a firearm license and then you have to hire a lawyer at the tune of thousands of dollars to fight it.

Think that is a fair representation of the law?
Just an example but the Liberals have empowered their servants to do exactly that.
No, it is not fear mongering.
Look at what is happening in Australia, NZ, UK, etc.

Eventually, only a select club of individuals will have rights to ownership of firearms.
This is a UN agenda. Read up on it and educate yourself. We do not have a benevolent government.

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

If you are already a gun owner this doesn't affect you. Why the negative comments? Whats wrong with that? I see nothing wrong with a background check if you want to get your firearms licence?

Has nothing to do with law abiding citizens because if you are, clearly nothing will happen with your background check and you will be approved ?


Law abiding gun owners have nothing to worry about here either as you already have your gun licence so whats wrong with this?

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The problem is we were all young and stupid once. Say you got in a bar fight and were charged with assault or like a fellow I used to work with who stole a Canadian flag from a school when he was 18 and now he can't enter the US? There is also the possibility that they will include renewals in this grand plan. Never trust a politician, especially a Liberal. TC

It’s not background check but this red flag law that scares me damn Karen sees you in camo and call you in as a danger. Crazy rule

If you look at the lawyer thread and CCFR on all the new crap being put on the law abiding, the ATT changes, the fight against the OIC etc. the changes being put in like the new transfer requirements have been topics of conversation for some time.
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...822-CCFR-Radio

https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...ce-on-firearms


... just another demonstration of the fact the Libs MUST go!

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Originally Posted by impact

What if you were not law abiding lets say 25 years ago and a domestic complaint was leveled against an individual.
Based on that information a bureaucrat denies you a firearm license and then you have to hire a lawyer at the tune of thousands of dollars to fight it.

Think that is a fair representation of the law?
Just an example but the Liberals have empowered their servants to do exactly that.
No, it is not fear mongering.
Look at what is happening in Australia, NZ, UK, etc.

Eventually, only a select club of individuals will have rights to ownership of firearms.
This is a UN agenda. Read up on it and educate yourself. We do not have a benevolent government.

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It is a fair point that some countries are more strict than Canada. For example one country does not permit a person to own a firearm who at any point in their life was convicted of an offense carrying a prison sentence of over a year, an illegal drug user, committed to mental institution, convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, dishonorably discharged from the military or subject to a restraining order for stalking an intimate partner or child.

That country is the United States of America:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identif...ibited-persons

Unlike Canada where you can make your case to a judge the only appeal from the lifetime ban in America is a pardon.

The problem to me is, like every other smoke screen, is that it is using our hard earned tax dollars to fund something that will not impact the root problem....anytime our money is wasted on distraction laws..
..it must be questioned and resisted.

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

If you are already a gun owner this doesn't affect you. Why the negative comments? Whats wrong with that? I see nothing wrong with a background check if you want to get your firearms licence?

Has nothing to do with law abiding citizens because if you are, clearly nothing will happen with your background check and you will be approved ?


Law abiding gun owners have nothing to worry about here either as you already have your gun licence so whats wrong with this?

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Now why do you suppose they have a PAL renewal every five years? It opens up your file for a background check, over the past five years. Now however it will be opening up your file for a lifetime background check. In your youthful exuberance did you ever do something that may have rated a police incident report?

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Now why do you suppose they have a PAL renewal every five years? It opens up your file for a background check, over the past five years. Now however it will be opening up your file for a lifetime background check. In your youthful exuberance did you ever do something that may have rated a police incident report?

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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no sir.

So,someone with a thirty year old simple shoplifting charge or got into a barroom scrap in college is disqualified from firearm ownership,permanently? This,to me,looks like the Liberals using any and every excuse possible to deny licenses. Now,before Liberal supporters on the forum claim it's an over-think,remember that we're dealing with Liberal bureaucrats who haven't the common sense God gave a gnat.

The well known UN agenda is to disarm the populations.
Our government is a servant to them.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

So,someone with a thirty year old simple shoplifting charge or got into a barroom scrap in college is disqualified from firearm ownership,permanently? This,to me,looks like the Liberals using any and every excuse possible to deny licenses. Now,before Liberal supporters on the forum claim it's an over-think,remember that we're dealing with Liberal bureaucrats who haven't the common sense God gave a gnat.

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It doesn't mean that necessarily. It means if you have events in your past beyond five years that may preclude your being issued a license you will be asked to explain them. If your explanation is not accepted and these events are used to deny you a license there is an appeal process.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/....6/page-9.html

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

So,someone with a thirty year old simple shoplifting charge or got into a barroom scrap in college is disqualified from firearm ownership,permanently? This,to me,looks like the Liberals using any and every excuse possible to deny licenses. Now,before Liberal supporters on the forum claim it's an over-think,remember that we're dealing with Liberal bureaucrats who haven't the common sense God gave a gnat.

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Given those examples, you would be fine. I suspect only incidents of violence of a more serious nature, would trigger an investigation by a firearms officer. It would not automatically result in a revocation or refusal…

The reasons for firearms renewal or denial should be published, clear and concise.
It should not be left to a politically appointed bureaucrat to decide what is acceptable or not.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Given those examples, you would be fine. I suspect only incidents of violence of a more serious nature, would trigger an investigation by a firearms officer. It would not automatically result in a revocation or refusal…

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Rick, they say lifetime checks for "applicants." Perhaps it applies only if you are making an your first application for a Firearm License. Might I have been reading too much into it, by thinking it gets applied when you are just making a renewal application? Surely the point was not to make it 'a skeleton in the closet hunt,' for those having already been granted a firearm license, and have a clear record.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[QUOTE=Gun Nut;1170915]Rick, they say lifetime checks for "applicants." Perhaps it applies only if you are making an your first application for a Firearm License. Might I have been reading too much into it, by thinking it gets applied when you are just making a renewal application? Surely the point was not to make it 'a skeleton in the closet hunt,' for those having already been granted a firearm license, and have a clear record.

Do you really trust this government? Remember they said none of their gun control will affect hunters or sport shooters yet here we are with even paint ball and airsoft guns being prohibited, meaning at some point you won't even be allowed to possess them. This lifetime background check for first time applicants will be a trial balloon with lifetime checks for renewals to soon follow. TC

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Rick, they say lifetime checks for "applicants." Perhaps it applies only if you are making an your first application for a Firearm License. Might I have been reading too much into it, by thinking it gets applied when you are just making a renewal application? Surely the point was not to make it 'a skeleton in the closet hunt,' for those having already been granted a firearm license, and have a clear record.

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The government's language specifies the expanded background check applies to an applicant who wants to acquire a license not one one who is renewing.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/c...l-rlac-en.aspx

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The legislation requires expanded background checks over the lifetime of an applicant seeking to acquire a firearms licence rather than just the five years immediately preceding the application.

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It makes some sense to keep guns out of the hands of someone with an extensive criminal history right up to 5 years and a day before he applied for a gun license.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

It makes some sense to keep guns out of the hands of someone with an extensive criminal history right up to 5 years and a day before he applied for a gun license.

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Your argument makes no sense at all. An individual vetted the previous five years and deemed OK should continue to be approved.
There would be no hiding anything especially if they have been through the court system. It is simply a witch hunt now.

You simply cannot go back in time and invent reasons to deny. It is not unlike sexual assault charges appearing out of the blue 35 years later.
Anyone who supports this is a Liberal Commie.

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Originally Posted by impact

Your argument makes no sense at all. An individual vetted the previous five years and deemed OK should continue to be approved.
There would be no hiding anything especially if they have been through the court system. It is simply a witch hunt now.

You simply cannot go back in time and invent reasons to deny. It is not unlike sexual assault charges appearing out of the blue 35 years later.
Anyone who supports this is a Liberal Commie.

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You missed the point…AGAIN!!! A new applicant has not been vetted for the previous five years. People renewing a licence won’t be subject to lifetime scrutiny,( but I wouldn’t bet on that).
The actual wording in any new legislation will be important.

...lol.....I wonder the stats on people who have taken the time to go through a PAL course....then a hunting course.....then bought a gun......then went gang banging.....lol....betcha' weiners to whistles it's in and around the zero(ish) column......all these points introduced by the government, is nothing but a waste of our tax money, and a waste of time.......build a jail......put people who shoot people inside of it......easy peasy...........

^^^No kidding! That’s are government “Overthinking” the stupid things lol


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You missed the point…AGAIN!!! A new applicant has not been vetted for the previous five years. People renewing a licence won’t be subject to lifetime scrutiny,( but I wouldn’t bet on that).
The actual wording in any new legislation will be important.

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A new applicant will have to account for everything in his background not just the past five years meaning a history of criminal activity or domestic abuse that ended 5 years and a day previously will be part of the decision-making process.

Deeper background examinations of renewals isn't part of the current program but I wouldn't have a problem with it as I've held an FAC/PAL since my early 20's.

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...lol.....I wonder the stats on people who have taken the time to go through a PAL course....then a hunting course.....then bought a gun......then went gang banging.....lol....betcha' weiners to whistles it's in and around the zero(ish) column......all these points introduced by the government, is nothing but a waste of our tax money, and a waste of time.......build a jail......put people who shoot people inside of it......easy peasy...........

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Any thinking individual knows that all these gun control measures will do squat to help prevent criminal use of firearms. Yet people keep voting for this corruption…..go figure!

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Any thinking individual knows that all these gun control measures will do squat to help prevent criminal use of firearms. Yet people keep voting for this corruption…..go figure!

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Trudeau makes it sound like this will stop all gun violence can he be that stupid really?

Loved O’toole answer last night. Yes I will support assault weapon ban but will also go after smuggled and illegal guns

O’Toole support for 1978 assault weapon ban :)

Trudeau was just asked and he let it slip his ban means all guns not like O’toole play on words Trudeau mentioned nothing about going after illegal guns

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Trudeau makes it sound like this will stop all gun violence can he be that stupid really?

Loved O’toole answer last night. Yes I will support assault weapon ban but will also go after smuggled and illegal guns

O’Toole support for 1978 assault weapon ban :)

Trudeau was just asked and he let it slip his ban means all guns not like O’toole play on words Trudeau mentioned nothing about going after illegal guns

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It’s not Trudeau who is “that stupid”, although he is…..it’s the people that vote for him who are !!

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

.it’s the people that vote for him who are !!

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The 'Enablers'... Haha...

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

You missed the point…AGAIN!!! A new applicant has not been vetted for the previous five years. People renewing a licence won’t be subject to lifetime scrutiny,( but I wouldn’t bet on that).
The actual wording in any new legislation will be important.

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Where does it say new applicants only? Those were Badenoch's words. It is not what I am reading in the link provided.
It appears to apply for everyone. An application (renewal) is new each and every time. Semantics.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/c...l-rlac-en.aspx

Expanded background checks
The legislation requires expanded background checks over the lifetime of an applicant seeking to acquire a firearms licence rather than just the five years immediately preceding the application. It will also add criteria that must be considered in deciding whether to grant a firearms licence, including a history of harassment, whether the applicant was ever subject to a restraining order, and whether the applicant poses a risk of harm to any person.

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Originally Posted by impact

Where does it say new applicants only? Those were Badenoch's words. It is not what I am reading in the link provided.
It appears to apply for everyone. An application (renewal) is new each and every time. Semantics.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/c...l-rlac-en.aspx

Expanded background checks
The legislation requires expanded background checks over the lifetime of an applicant seeking to acquire a firearms licence rather than just the five years immediately preceding the application. It will also add criteria that must be considered in deciding whether to grant a firearms licence, including a history of harassment, whether the applicant was ever subject to a restraining order, and whether the applicant poses a risk of harm to any person.

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“Seeking to acquire a firearms licence”….. not renew one. Firearms licence holders are being vetted every day, on a continuous basis as it is now. There is no need for a five year background check on a person renewing their licence. A quick check of their FIP history is done, and references may or may not be contacted. At least that’s what was done years ago…

My fingers are crossed it's only new applicants...I'd hate to lose my license over a simple mistake like I did being young.......I honestly didn't think it was a crime to jack a tractor trailer full of Dildoo's and rubber fists.....also didn't realize I'd sell every last one of em' when I parked outside the Liberal convention.........

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My fingers are crossed it's only new applicants...I'd hate to lose my license over a simple mistake like I did being young.......I honestly didn't think it was a crime to jack a tractor trailer full of Dildoo's and rubber fists.....also didn't realize I'd sell every last one of em' when I parked outside the Liberal convention.........

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ROFLMAO!!

This may seem innocent at first glance, but like everything the Liberals (ok - government of any stripe) does, it's far from innocent.
Notice the number of "Mental Health" hospitals growing across the province?
Notice how "Mental Health" has been talked about more and more - especially with children?
Notice how the mental health of people who commit crimes often is talked about in the news?
Now with this new legislation, a child of 8 who goes to talk to the school Councillor for anxiety or stress about whatever - this goes on his health record. When same child becomes 15 and wants to start hunting, he/she MAY be denied a firearms license because of a "history of mental health problems"
A very simple example - but true.
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist, or talks in private with their family doctor about any mental health issue, which the doctor MUST put on your record, may be denied a hunting/firearms license.
This is how they do it.
Call me crazy, call me a 'conspiracy theorist' - whatever. Wait 10 years and find out.
What is "conspiracy" today is fact tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by old outdoorsman

This may seem innocent at first glance, but like everything the Liberals (ok - government of any stripe) does, it's far from innocent.
Notice the number of "Mental Health" hospitals growing across the province?
Notice how "Mental Health" has been talked about more and more - especially with children?
Notice how the mental health of people who commit crimes often is talked about in the news?
Now with this new legislation, a child of 8 who goes to talk to the school Councillor for anxiety or stress about whatever - this goes on his health record. When same child becomes 15 and wants to start hunting, he/she MAY be denied a firearms license because of a "history of mental health problems"
A very simple example - but true.
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist, or talks in private with their family doctor about any mental health issue, which the doctor MUST put on your record, may be denied a hunting/firearms license.
This is how they do it.
Call me crazy, call me a 'conspiracy theorist' - whatever. Wait 10 years and find out.
What is "conspiracy" today is fact tomorrow.

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Yup like one of polls said 70-75% of people have some sort of depression or a anxiety over COVID. The others are gun owners

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This may seem innocent at first glance, but like everything the Liberals (ok - government of any stripe) does, it's far from innocent.
Notice the number of "Mental Health" hospitals growing across the province?
Notice how "Mental Health" has been talked about more and more - especially with children?
Notice how the mental health of people who commit crimes often is talked about in the news?
Now with this new legislation, a child of 8 who goes to talk to the school Councillor for anxiety or stress about whatever - this goes on his health record. When same child becomes 15 and wants to start hunting, he/she MAY be denied a firearms license because of a "history of mental health problems"
A very simple example - but true.
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist, or talks in private with their family doctor about any mental health issue, which the doctor MUST put on your record, may be denied a hunting/firearms license.
This is how they do it.
Call me crazy, call me a 'conspiracy theorist' - whatever. Wait 10 years and find out.
What is "conspiracy" today is fact tomorrow.

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I never woulda' thought about that....thanks for pointing it out....as we know....the people who are supposed to be working for us, will think of many different ways to achieve they're agenda.