Bear hunt so far: Wolves

So far a very unsuccessful season so far. Went to WMU 41 and 49 and zero hits after 3 weeks. Only 2 hits on 1/4 baits in 55A where this story starts.

A couple days ago we were about to head down the tree from an unsuccessful hunt. We hear a wolf howl sound off probably 1km away NE. Then one sounds off much closer behind us about 200 yards away E. Then 5 more sound off directly infront of us, and they're coming up wind towards us. 3 of them come within 20 yards right infront of us and don't go away until we make some loud noises and flash spotlights ​around. Figures since I am close to the algonquin border which is full of wolves. I also saw one cross the road earlier further south that same day.

I have their howls recorded but I am unsure of how to share a video here. I could send it to you if you PM me your contact info. At the very least I can provide a picture of a fisher that visited us that same day.
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Shoot the bastards!

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

Shoot the bastards!

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Seeing that he is in 55 he may be in an area that does not allow hunting of wolves and coyotes.

Also, why the blanket statement, wolves have been part of the natural ecosystem here long before man, they do kill and eat deer and moose but so do you.

Just polluted with them at our camp in 49 too. Wolf,coyotes,mutts whatever ya wanna call em, Need thinning bad.

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Originally Posted by SongDog

Just polluted with them at our camp in 49 too. Wolf,coyotes,mutts whatever ya wanna call em, Need thinning bad.

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I see the US has realized that in a lot of their parks and are opening hunting seasons to cull them back.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Seeing that he is in 55 he may be in an area that does not allow hunting of wolves and coyotes.

Also, why the blanket statement, wolves have been part of the natural ecosystem here long before man, they do kill and eat deer and moose but so do you.

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You may be on your own with that statement Fox. As true as it may be.

better than the family of raccoon ive been feeding lol.

I watched an interesting documentry about re-introduction of wolves to yellowstone, and how it changed the screwed up ecosystem.

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/thin...ges-ecosystem/

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Originally Posted by Ata83

better than the family of raccoon ive been feeding lol.

I watched an interesting documentry about re-introduction of wolves to yellowstone, and how it changed the screwed up ecosystem.

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/thin...ges-ecosystem/

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These articles are so biased.

Like does noone understand how nature works yet?

Wolves were eradicated from the park in the 1930s...So the elk population takes off way above sustainable population. They eat all the vegetation until species become at risk. Then it trickles down until the beavers are loosing feed and their population crashes.

70-80 years later they reintroduce wolves back (now bigger Canadian wolves) and talk about how they are changing the ecosystem for the good.


Sure, Wolves should be there to control the ecosystem. But then wolves start to leave the park and ranchers start to shoot them when they see them as they are a threat to their herd.

All these people just look at how good the wolves have done and they want to ban hunting of them...

THEN the wolf population gets out of control and the elk/sheep/deer population crashes. Bears and other predator population start to crash and it trickles down again. Then they are forced to uplift the ban again as the ecosystem is way out of wack again.

Why can't we just leave nature the way it is, Instead of banning this and that.

Talk to any ranch owner around Yellowstone. They will shoot each and every wolf they see, Forever.

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You may be on your own with that statement Fox. As true as it may be.

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Notice the number of people on here who want wild boar to show up, even if it destroys the livelihood of the farmers who give them permission to hunt now. It is amazing how little conservation many hunters consider.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Seeing that he is in 55 he may be in an area that does not allow hunting of wolves and coyotes.

Also, why the blanket statement, wolves have been part of the natural ecosystem here long before man, they do kill and eat deer and moose but so do you.

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In 55A they allow hunting of Wolves and coyotes from Sept 15th to March 31st. I still have a wolf tag from February (I take one with me when winter camping incase I need it because we have dogs with us).

Regardless, the wolf population there seems aggressive and out of hand. I do not hunt deer there but the only animal I'm seeing there are wolves and they seem to have little fear of people. There are also several sheep and cattle farmers further south.

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

In 55A they allow hunting of Wolves and coyotes from Sept 15th to March 31st. I still have a wolf tag from February (I take one with me when winter camping incase I need it because we have dogs with us).

Regardless, the wolf population there seems aggressive and out of hand. I do not hunt deer there but the only animal I'm seeing there are wolves and they seem to have little fear of people. There are also several sheep and cattle farmers further south.

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55 has an asterisk beside it, there are counties in that area that are closed, due to the Algonquin Wolf. Ya, the numbers are going up but that is kind of the idea.

with the encroachment of human population i feel every wildlife population needs to be ....."managed" unfortunately politics and human "feelings" seem to get in the way of proper management.

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with the encroachment of human population i feel every wildlife population needs to be ....."managed" unfortunately politics and human "feelings" seem to get in the way of proper management.

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Yea the spring bear hunt was sure a great example of that !!!

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Originally Posted by Fox

55 has an asterisk beside it, there are counties in that area that are closed, due to the Algonquin Wolf. Ya, the numbers are going up but that is kind of the idea.

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Good point. But the township I hunt is not on that list. Wolves that move up-wind towards human scent while yipping in excitement is a concern. Not only that but they are packing up pretty early around there. I doubt their numbers are going to be hurt being 20km away from possibly the biggest wolf population in ontario where they cannot be hunted (algonquin). You can tell their numbers are getting too high here. I used to see deers 2 years ago here and now I never see them all year. Also I have no raccoons on any of my baits and I rarely see foxes compared to in the past.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Yea the spring bear hunt was sure a great example of that !!!

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The bears in Bruce peninsula are sprawling south now. They used to have a full length fall and spring season in 2019 and now they have only a single week of spring season. Ever since then there have been way more human/bear encounters up there and now we're seeing bears as far south as kettle point.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Seeing that he is in 55 he may be in an area that does not allow hunting of wolves and coyotes.

Also, why the blanket statement, wolves have been part of the natural ecosystem here long before man, they do kill and eat deer and moose but so do you.

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True enough. Wolf populations follow deer population cycles. The main population control for wolves are empty stomachs along with disease and parasites. Wolf populations across Ontario are plentiful and some hunting pressure wouldn’t hurt.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Also, why the blanket statement, wolves have been part of the natural ecosystem here long before man, they do kill and eat deer and moose but so do you.

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I agree, but they do have to be managed.
Unfortunately MNRF are MIA. IMO

The MNR has always wanted to increase the wolf population in the park as part of their wildlife management plan and the 'real' reason they don't want wolves hunted in adjacent WMUs (their winter area).....they want the Moose more than they want the Deer.

https://i.imgur.com/4eorlxrl.jpg

So instead of having great opportunities for hunting the excessive number of elk-deer-moose etc,lets have wolves take them all down.
Hunting brings $ and keeps eco system in check -the better managed ,the more it does.
Look at many successful European countries.

No-we bring up wolf numbers,no one really wants to hunt them that much, to affect the population-voila, wolf becomes hunting control.
Nothing to hunt = no hunting= no headache.

Lovely and smart

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Originally Posted by SongDog

Just polluted with them at our camp in 49 too. Wolf,coyotes,mutts whatever ya wanna call em, Need thinning bad.

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We're in 49 as well but rarely see wolves. Maybe a handful over the winter but so far none during deer or bear season.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Notice the number of people on here who want wild boar to show up, even if it destroys the livelihood of the farmers who give them permission to hunt now. It is amazing how little conservation many hunters consider.

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I really hope we never see those. We're in Burks Falls but I've heard that there have been sightings in the Parry Sound area.

55A 55B and some of 58 is completely overrun with wolves. I have cameras set up at my place and I've got pictures of bears and wolves. I have a couple adult deer kicking around but I think all the fawns are toast, same goes with the moose calves.

Fox, yes, wolves were here, the Algonquin wolf was not. The so called Algonquin wolf was a product of Grey wolves breeding with logging camp dogs. A big part of me believes that this breeding behavior has brought on their kill and walk ways. Call BS all you want but I have watched these wolves kill off deer then walk away to kill another and eat none of it. About 8 years back we ended up with a brutal crust on the snow for the winter, we had 12 dead deer on our land and nothing more than a bit of the back legs, bellies and the buttholes chewed out. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a21abac4a7.jpg

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55A 55B and some of 58 is completely overrun with wolves. I have cameras set up at my place and I've got pictures of bears and wolves. I have a couple adult deer kicking around but I think all the fawns are toast, same goes with the moose calves.

Fox, yes, wolves were here, the Algonquin wolf was not. The so called Algonquin wolf was a product of Grey wolves breeding with logging camp dogs. A big part of me believes that this breeding behavior has brought on their kill and walk ways. Call BS all you want but I have watched these wolves kill off deer then walk away to kill another and eat none of it. About 8 years back we ended up with a brutal crust on the snow for the winter, we had 12 dead deer on our land and nothing more than a bit of the back legs, bellies and the buttholes chewed out. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a21abac4a7.jpg

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Interesting, I wonder what causes them not to eat the meat. Seems like a survival instinct would drive them to eat.

The only wolf kills I've seen in 49, they licked the deer clean. All that was left was scattered pieces of the carcass.

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Originally Posted by rali

Interesting, I wonder what causes them not to eat the meat. Seems like a survival instinct would drive them to eat.

The only wolf kills I've seen in 49, they licked the deer clean. All that was left was scattered pieces of the carcass.

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Wolves killing and leaving the animal is nothing new. Happens all the time in high wolf populations. Wolves do kill for fun. I remember Gus from Life-below-zero telling a story about how a pack of wolves killed a young bull moose and left it.

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55A 55B and some of 58 is completely overrun with wolves. I have cameras set up at my place and I've got pictures of bears and wolves. I have a couple adult deer kicking around but I think all the fawns are toast, same goes with the moose calves.

Fox, yes, wolves were here, the Algonquin wolf was not. The so called Algonquin wolf was a product of Grey wolves breeding with logging camp dogs. A big part of me believes that this breeding behavior has brought on their kill and walk ways. Call BS all you want but I have watched these wolves kill off deer then walk away to kill another and eat none of it. About 8 years back we ended up with a brutal crust on the snow for the winter, we had 12 dead deer on our land and nothing more than a bit of the back legs, bellies and the buttholes chewed out. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a21abac4a7.jpg

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I will most likely go up for Wolves in the winter in 55A. Any tips for the best month to catch them at? As we speak I'm in 55A now getting ready for a bear sit tomorrow. Have a wolf tag already.

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

Wolves killing and leaving the animal is nothing new. Happens all the time in high wolf populations. Wolves do kill for fun. I remember Gus from Life-below-zero telling a story about how a pack of wolves killed a young bull moose and left it.

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I believe wolves will kill when the opportunity presents itself, even if they are not starving, but they will probably return to the kill site over the next few weeks to feed themselves.

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55A 55B and some of 58 is completely overrun with wolves. I have cameras set up at my place and I've got pictures of bears and wolves. I have a couple adult deer kicking around but I think all the fawns are toast, same goes with the moose calves.

Fox, yes, wolves were here, the Algonquin wolf was not. The so called Algonquin wolf was a product of Grey wolves breeding with logging camp dogs. A big part of me believes that this breeding behavior has brought on their kill and walk ways. Call BS all you want but I have watched these wolves kill off deer then walk away to kill another and eat none of it. About 8 years back we ended up with a brutal crust on the snow for the winter, we had 12 dead deer on our land and nothing more than a bit of the back legs, bellies and the buttholes chewed out. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a21abac4a7.jpg

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Grandpa was born in '35, when he was a young kid there were 2 kinds of wolves in the bush at the south end of the park. They did also bring in arctic timber wolves to the park, that would have been the early 1950s, grandpa drove the truck with the wolves in to the park.

It is my understanding that there were no coyotes in the park in the early 1940s and wolves rarely breed with dogs, they would rather kill them.