What firearms are reasonable for hunting is the focus of a report released today by the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters (OFAH).
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What firearms are reasonable for hunting is the focus of a report released today by the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters (OFAH).
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Should be an interesting read.
And if they are not reasonsble? Going on some sort of ban/prohibited list?
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Already there.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJohnson
What firearms are reasonable for hunting is the focus of a report released today by the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters (OFAH).Quote:
Originally Posted by OODMag
The 68-page document, titled What Firearms are Reasonable and Proportionate for Hunting in Canada: An examination of previously non-restricted firearms prohibited under SOR/2020-96, was authored by OFAH Director of Programs and Policy Matt DeMille.
The report examines the relationship between hunting and firearms and analyzes firearms prohibited by order in council (OIC) on May 1, 2020. Canadian firearms owners identified these firearms as being used for hunting, prior to being prohibited, the OFAH stated in a release.
Of the 64 firearms examined that were previously non-restricted, almost all of them were used for hunting by Canadians. The report concludes that there is nothing that separates these now-prohibited firearms from other non-restricted firearms available for hunting in Canada.
Trudeau specifically say he wouldn't allow bans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Gs...ature=emb_logo
Then when challenged they refused to even let the judge see the evidence (if any exists) as to why the banned those specific firearms and invoked the secrecy act.
Liberal breaks another promise in regards to openness, Runkle OIC secret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-riF490Nfo
Translation: Libs lies and did nothing good and then covered up the lies and attack on the law abiding.
The reality: In the 2021 CBC election compass, a series of questions to suggest which party fits you, one of the questions was should there be a ban on semi-auto firearms and in the results it specifically said that the NDP/PC/Liberal and Green ALL were in favour of it to some degree. The options were Strong infavour, generally in favour, neutral, generally against and strongly against, of the elected parties only the Conservatives were strongly against, all others were sort of in favour or however they phrased it.
Conclusion: They made sh** up, attacked the law abiding, have no clue why or what they are doing, used the secrecy act out of desperation and will try to ban all semi's later given a chance.
See CCFR and Lawyers advice threads for more detail on what is going on.
Regretably,we have the Liberal government for the next 4 years. This "report" is like closing the barn door after the horses are long gone. WTH was this a year or even 6 months ago?
Hey you just made me hurl into my throat :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
A minority government..the first non-confidence vote and we'll spend another $600 million. One of these times the brain dead will find a piece of grey matter that will turf the turd :)
That moron has pumped the kool aid down the throats of Liberal voters by the tractor trailer tank load to the point where their collective brains have completely atrophied and turned to mush. I believe Canada has turned a corner into a socialist/communist abyss beyond redemption.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
And the next 4 years after that
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
My initial thoughts and then thoughts of the Spring bear ban, then I headed for the liquor cabinet and I started feeling better again. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
You have an election, force the opposition to spend all their cash trying to get elected and they are unable to fight or unwilling to call a snap election because they have no money in the kitty. Pretty sneaky LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Exactly how Trudeau keeps Singh in his cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Every gun is reasonable to be used for hunting, pistols too, no reason any of them cannot reasonably be used for hunting.
Justin keeps Singh where he likes him.......right behind him whispering into his earQuote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
Kinda like this?..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
Attachment 42362
In all seriousness.........I agree with Fox that any firearm can be used for hunting. The issue is the anti gun and/or anti hunting fringe groups that are mis-informing the general public about firearms. What is the difference between a moose gun and a sniper rifle? They can both be black, camo or wood have a scope and have the ability to shoot a large projectile accurately over a long distance. What about the term 'assault rifle'? The definition of 'assault rifle' does not exist in Canadian legal circles, but yet every Canadian thinks they know what one is when they see one. AR's are suddenly bad and need to be banned but I can legally hunt with my Tavor (with pinned mags). This makes no sense to me what so ever.
Even Justin shows his ignorance by stating "why does anyone need an AR to bring down a deer", this is a great example of rampant ignorance of politicians & common Canadians about firearm laws and hunting regulations.
OMG yes!! Thanks you make my day!Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Just an FYI,the CPC didn't spend half the budget allocated for the election (might have made a difference). Their assets are staggering after the last few years concentrating on fund-raising campaigns. The only issue they'll have going forward will be replacing the money spent. There's so many PO'd members that there's a concern their wallets will be slammed shut. This report really is a day late and a dollar short. It would have helped a year or so ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Well you are right and when you use this as a wedge issue you either come out winning or losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
Just show's you MONEY CANT BUY YOU LOVE . LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Yes.....right wrong or indifferent that is the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
The Liberal's one using it as a wedge issue... by using lies and fear mongering.... sad. Even going so far as to use the secrecy act to hide the facts... disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Liberal breaks another promise in regards to openness, Runkle OIC secret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-riF490Nfo
Trudeau specifically say he wouldn't allow bans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Gs_mwWmTk&feature=emb_logo
So you admit the Liberal's just bribed voters... and you are happy about it. Quote proves true again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell
Maybe OFAH should get Ian Runkle's input as a lawyer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0qD51ZASl0
"The Liberal's one using it as a wedge issue... by using lies and fear mongering.... sad. Even going so far as to use the secrecy act to hide the facts... disgusting."
You are being disingenuous to suggest only one party has used gun owners in wedge issues, a certain leader of a certain party used it for two full terms in office to great effect.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
Once again fishing out one tiny item out of many and trying to create something that doesn't exist.
Site your evidence that anyone but the NDP and Liberal's lied and fear mongered and created division about firearms. Bill Blair alone was empirically the biggest liar and hate speech generator I have seen, even exceeding the lies Justlied has put out. Your opinion and fact just never seem to coincide.
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...FR-Radio/page8
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Originally Posted by mosquito
"Your opinion and fact just never seem to coincide."
Your pretty good at looking up old u tube video's I am sure you will be able to find one of the many hundred's posted by Stephen, talking about saving duck hunters rights. If you have trouble I will find them for you.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
Oh please find them... it is so much better to show how your "facts" and the real ones don't match with you stating what you believe clearly. As for looking them up, I just have them book marked... I have a folder of Justlied lies, Corruption, incompetence..... I know you won't believe facts or evidence and it is easiest to show there, they aren't all youtube though.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FluffyEnvi...restricted.gif
It took me maybe a minute or two to do the initial several posts listing all the lies and corruption on here, don't worry wasting time on ideologues is more an amusement while the coffee perks than any kind of effort.
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...r-the-LIbErals
It should make you happy, it is talking about something other than the topic and realities or Bill "hate em all" Blair and his lies and "Justlied "I admire dictators and tyrants" Trudeau.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H6nhJc3i00
. “Wedge politics” (Wilson and Turnbull 2001) is a particularly aggressive
version of the former, where a party highlights an issue that is very important to at least some of its
voters (but of low importance nationally) and produces dissention within opposing parties (Giasson and
Dumouchel 2012). Giasson and Dumouchel (2012) conclude that gun control became a wedge issue for
the Conservatives under PM Stephen Harper. While this was arguably not the case for the Chrétien
Liberals in the 1990s, as discussed below gun control allowed the party to distinguish itself from the
Reform Party while appealing to Quebec voters.
https://www.cpsa-acsp.ca/documents/c...2.Hennigar.pdf
Woo HOOO! You found something! Congratulations, you found a Brock political science prof writing something for UBC saying Harper getting rid of the firearm registry was a wedge issue, perhaps it was. I am sure that given the lies that the Liberals have come out with in regards to the registry, the ATT etc. that it's significantly less than the Conservatives. Just look at the lies and hate speech Billy "no facts, just fiction" Blair has been spewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Now let's analyze what this Brock prof is actually saying in his article in regards to its integrity...
First the sources, several articles on people wanting bans, there also is several Toronto Star and the repeated commentary that he likes the direction of gun control and the repeated Ecole Polytechnique and the fact that "Marc Lépine’s semi-automatic wasn't banned. so his prejudices do seem to be showing.
Since he is drawing a conclusion and making statements he claims as true let's look if we can trust those prejudices vs integrity. I bring up again his repeated talking about Marc Lepine, the fact his rifle wasn't banned and his open statements he likes the direction of gun control and can be seen to bemoaning the common sense changes Harper made. The same changes we saw Trudeau saying would allow people to take restricted firearms to kids soccer games, obvious lies/fear mongering.
So good for you, you found an article by an obvious anti-firearm prof at Brock (Lepine, obvious attitude towards Harper and bringing up of the New Zealand gun control...) but I stand corrected, you did find something. Looking at your choice it seems to confirm your anti-firearm attitude again that you keep showing while claiming too be a firearm owner.
Now back to the topic, people use all types of weapons now and through out history from the boomerang, atlatl, bow,matchlock and all types of firearms. It is no surprise that a legally owned firearm of any type is used for hunting today. The one guy I talked to from Florida talked about using a 6" 44 mag pistol to hunt wild boar in thick cover. In the heavy stuff a short barrelled powerful handgun and multiple shots were needed to stop a charging 100+ lb boar and he had got 3 the year he talked about it. People enjoy different challenges so it is again no surprise the way they hunt is different, just look at the 243 to 45-70 and blinds, stalking, tree stands etc. for deer and that is just in firearms, then throw in muzzle loader and bow season, even the OOD has an article about old fashioned archery deer hunting.
No trimmer21. It's not cool aid he pumps down the throats of Liberal voters it is FEAR. The thing is, most people have a FEAR of that which they are totally IGNORANT. The chief fear is firearms can kill you, we need to get rid of all of them to be safe. They have no other purpose except they can be used to kill people. The more efficient they are the more people they can kill. He does pump cool aid he pour fear into people. Its not about people being determined to kill people. It's about the potential of guns to killQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
people, regardless of whose hands they are in. Guns are to be FEARED. Nothing is ever said about the need for someone to pull their triggers. Nor their motives for pulling them. The reason for that, remains a mystery as the ones who pulls the triggers, more time than not, end up shooting themselves.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
Well fear works the other way, 300 million firearms in the USA most purchased out of fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
Yes Yes, must attack US instead of the LIEbral's and their fiction.... firearms for self defence are bad, pepper spray for self defence is bad, thinking something other than what Libs and CBC say to think is bad .... bad in your opinion. In the UK they have the ban the knife crowd and their creating fear of another inanimate object.. quite ridiculous actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3887145
"guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
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The average gun owner owns 5 firearms, and handguns are the most common type of firearm owned. 48.0% of gun owners have owned magazines that hold over 10 rounds, and 30.2% of gun owners -- totaling about 24.6 million individuals -- have owned an AR-15 or similarly styled rifle. Demographically, gun owners are diverse. 42.2% are female and 57.8% are male. Approximately 25.4% of Blacks own firearms, 28.3% of Hispanics own firearms, 19.4% of Asians own firearms, and 34.3% of Whites own firearms."
Based on the incidents, the number of women that own firearms we can assume say... 1 in 4 is a woman defending herself... that would be about 400,000 times per year a woman would defend herself and not be the victim of a crime, but hey... self defence is bad (according to Libs).
Now as for bought out of fear, how about looking at how many million deer/duck etc hunters there are in the US, the number of target shooters, competitive shooters... no, not you, just make things up and insult. Sad.
Now back to the types of firearms and uses...
https://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/c...-united-states
Heading into fall 2020, there are about 11.4 million deer hunters in the United States. More specifically, there are about 9.4 million people who hunt deer with both gun and bow, and an additional 2 million who hunt deer only with bow (that includes all archery). If you are a casual reader, do not misread these numbers. I’m going to get geeky here, so keep reading for more specific numbers.
Again, there are 11.4 million deer hunters in the U.S. This includes 4.63 million bowhunters. We are just talking deer here; this doesn’t include elk, bears, moose, sheep, turkeys, ducks, geese, other small game, etc.
It very quickly becomes evident to anyone with a functional cerebrum that with 9,000,000+ deer hunters using rifles that there must be a huge variety being used in that purpose. There are many articles and examples of a platform like the AR being used for deer hunting for example.
https://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/c...hunting-rifles
and for Coyote etc. too.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/h...oyote-hunting/
So Bill and Justlied and their "facts" are once again shown as lies and fear mongering again.
"In the UK they have the ban the knife crowd and their creating fear of another inanimate object.. quite ridiculous actually."
If you were a Doctor or Nurse working in a Glasgow emergency ward every weekend you might think differently. LOL
Huh.... never want to talk about facts the thread is talking about.... well they do have a gang problem and gang fighting and about 60% of the murders are with a knife. That much you have right... now let's look at the whole story. The imbeciles with the knife bans etc. are trying to even go after kitchen knives because that is the weapon of choice... even with the restrictions etc. in place. So as the weapons keep changing and now the kitchen knife is most common but with the increase in acid attacks in the UK will they be banning Mr Drano too or just requiring a permit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Oh wait... the murder rates did go down though, hmmm, why, it took 10 years and the ban didn't work they just changed weapons, well they started going after the gangs and taking a longer term approach of getting kids out of gangs. That is what worked and what did our Liberals do, they spent less than 1/3 the promised amount and many of the programs got no money from the govt and they went after the law abiding firearm owners. Pretty useless bunch of idiots in the Liberal party it seems, that and liars too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHpNTWFtn6M
So what would you suggest, educate the rampant ignorant, or simply continue leaving them in the dark, lost in fear and spouting demands to ban guns from civil society, because guns have not other purpose apart from being instruments to kill people with. JT has done a masterful job on selling people on the latter option, and draw upon their fear to achieve the results..Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
Still saying BUY BACK.... anyone here ever buy a firearm from the government?
Seems ridiculous to turn them in without compensation unless of course you are a card carrying Lib. or they were turned in by a spouse or relative from an estate.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/hardl...the-government
Since a ban on numerous firearms took effect in May 2020, Canadians have only turned in 160 to the government — a stunningly tiny number, considering the original government estimation of there to be some 90,000 to 105,000 outlawed firearms in Canada.
I suspect 99.9% don't even know about the ban these forums represent probably 1%
Out of 2 dozen people who I know that hunt none participate in these types of forums, of everyone I have eve met none are members of any forums or at least that is what they have said.
I know people in their 80's that don't know the FAC was replaced and wouldn't care less and yes they still hunt.
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Originally Posted by mosquito
Not that high, maybe half I could believe though, especially with over 320 unlisted new reclassified additions, including the Huglu XR7, there are probably a huge number that have no clue their firearm was reclassified.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1182890