Pravo and breeder garantee

so time to pick up my Beagle pup.

Was told by breeder the pup will have his first vaccine, and a paper with health garantee.

I got the paper, they cover 1 year of genetic Issues [Replace the dog with their own choosing]
and they do not cover infections or diseases, such as Pravo ...

is this common ?

I asked them to allow me 72 hours, to take the puppy to my own vet, and if it is already exposed to the disease, I would have a chance of taking him back, and they say "sure, but Pravo not included"

they gave me a week or two to think about it as I have already given them a small deposit. am I asking too much here ? or is it common practice to allow buyers vet to give thumbs up or down ?

I live in a house with back yard, so can keep the puppy in private areas till booster shots done.

Health guarantees can vary from breeder to breeder, but most common is to guarantee hips, elbows and eyes for 26 months.

Breed specific genetic diseases should be covered if the breeder did their due diligence and tested both sire and dam for these genetics issues BEFORE the breeding was done to ensure that they were breeding clear to clear or clear to carrier so no affected puppies are born. (The exact reason why some of us "harp" about health clearances when people are advertising litters and do not specify that).

The first puppy vaccination at 8 weeks is the DAPP (distemper, hepatitus, parvovirus and parainfluenza) which covers parvo (not pravo) boosters are usually given for this at 12 and 16 weeks. Parvo is a highly contagious disease and can be easily spread should the puppy come in contact with an infected dog or indirect contact with a contaminated object such as a feces, bowl, leash or even people who have had contact with an infected dog. This is one reason why many breeders due not allow visitors in to see the litter in the early stages and if they do allow visitors, request that your take off your shoes before coming into their home or wash your hands prior to handling the puppies.

If the breeder has done the appropriate vaccinations for the age of the dog, once the puppy goes home with you, the breeder is unable to guarantee that YOU as the new owner has not done something to allow for any disease or infection such as parvo, etc.

Some contracts also request that you take your pup for a check with your own vet within the first day or two of the puppy heading home with you. This is not to “test drive” the pup as is the pup has been paid for in full, but for the owner to be assured that their pup is in good health. If the owner feels this is not necessary, than both parties agree the pup is healthy and the fun begins with a new pup in the house!

Allowing a buyer to have his new pup vet checked is not something I am familiar with.
Normal puppy guarantees cover genetic issues, but not diseases.
Often 8 week old pups are de-wormed but don't have any vaccinations - you arrange that with your own vet after you pick up your pup.

So yes, it is common.
And from the breeders perspective, you are asking too much.

It's all about trust and common sense.
Breeding is a genetic lottery.
Once I picked up a pup that had Giardia, it took a while to diagnose and treat, while we're all were at risk (it's zoonotic, humans can get it, 'beafer fever'). I never asked for any money from him, but I never want to talk to that guy again.
Pick the breeder you can trust and don't worry too much about contracts, they're not enforceable anyways.

thank you for the replies everyone, appreciate them all.

many many years back we got a puppy that was very weak and sick, when taken to the vet, we found out it had pArvo . so I guess thats where my worry is coming from .. .this was from a pet store though, we were able to argue that the time in store is when the puppy was infected ...

the puppy has had its first shots, and Incubation period for Parvo is 14 days, so vet check on the same day, would only reveal what the puppy came with. so thought a good breeder would stand behind their protocols of making sure their puppies are not exposed to it, and allow a check up.

next week [my last chance to pick it up] will be 2 weeks after first shots...

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Originally Posted by vom Dufenshmirtz

It's all about trust and common sense.
Breeding is a genetic lottery.
Once I picked up a pup that had Giardia, it took a while to diagnose and treat, while we're all were at risk (it's zoonotic, humans can get it, 'beafer fever'). I never asked for any money from him, but I never want to talk to that guy again.
Pick the breeder you can trust and don't worry too much about contracts, they're not enforceable anyways.

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Breeding is a genetic lottery???

I'd really need to disagree with that. Poor breeding might be.

how does one find a registered breeder ? im just checking on kijiji which is mostly back yard breeders.

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Originally Posted by Ata83

how does one find a registered breeder ? im just checking on kijiji which is mostly back yard breeders.

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No guarantee a "registered breeder" will be a good breeder.

Find a web site or fb group for your breed and see what others are saying and what his dogs look like.
If you want it for hunting, make sure the guy is a hunter or trialer.
For my beagle, I spent about a year looking and figured out I wanted one from one of three guys on "Ontario Hunting Beagles".
Next time a litter came up, picking was easy.

OHB is a polite group - they are beagle owners after all - so you won't find people crapping over others and pointing out the "bad breeders".
You will see a lot of people pumping up the "good breeders".
It's possible that any of the other breeders could give you a good pup, but if you get one from one of the breeders that continually has litters of nice pups that the chances of getting a lesser pup are pretty poor.

There's a member here - swampsinger, try to PM him, other than that werner above gave good advice :)

There is only one "professional Beagle breeder" that I know of, Branko's Beagles. There is no market or demand to support many hunting stock beagle breeders. I have noticed a bit of a flurry of breeding activity lately I think that is being driven by the covid pandemic causing shortages of puppies in general. Speaking for myself, I only breed every couple of years or so. Those breedings are carefully planned with the purpose of securing and improving my bloodline. I have no interest in suppling puppies for the hunting, trialing, or pet market. Here's an anecdote that influences my practices. Over the past ten years I have offered three top quality pups or started Hounds for sale on this site and have yet to get one response. I'm exaggerating I did get one response from someone who ridiculed me for bragging up my Hounds. To get back on topic I have seen a few litters for sale on ontario hunting beagle facebook page. My advice is to by a puppy, your chances of picking the best hunting hound out of a litter of 8 week old pups are as good as anybody. Take your time and play the long game, even if you pick a pup today it won't ready to hunt till a least next year and might not hit its prime till its three.

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Originally Posted by Ata83

how does one find a registered breeder ? im just checking on kijiji which is mostly back yard breeders.

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For a specific answer, it depends on what breed you're looking for.

For a general answer, try to find like minded people, whether in person or online, and find out who has a dog that does great work in the field. Every owner thinks their dog is the best and every owner is right :D so get started by putting the feelers out.

For me, I have labradors. We've had them since 1985. I was born into a hunting household so I'm in a few circles where I could ask around and see who has what, which dogs are working well, and whose dogs have characteristics I like in the field. For me specifically, I don't need a fire breather to break sound barriers when retrieving. I DO need a dog that is quiet, patient, steady and willing to work. I like quick, careful QUIET dogs with good noses. I also compete with my dogs and every dog in that catalog is registered with the CKC, AKC or UKC. Start pulling catalogs and watching kennel names and you'll get a feel for who to reach out to. Breed clubs can also put you in touch with registered breeders (the Lab Owners Club, the Golden Retriever Club of Greater Toronto, etc) but you do need to specify you're looking for a hunting dog. Again, finding events those clubs are holding, getting out to the events or training days, taking a look around, all these things can help you find a registered breeder. Then put more feelers out and see how people feel about the breeder and their dogs. Everyone will have an opinion and it can be tricky to separate fact from fiction, but any of these things I've mentioned can help you get started with your search.