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If you go thru the motions and am successful in a controlled hunt for a certain WMU, it doesnt make sense to me that I cannot use a bow / crossbow (providing I wear hunter orange)
Yes I am fully aware bow season is a long season but the first week of November is some great hunting that I miss out on due to this rule...
You make a good point as the 1st week of November is a great time to be out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
Bingo. I have my Nov. controlled hunt validation, can wear orange, but STILL, can't use a bow next week. Absolute nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by kokes
I agree with all of you ridiculous rule
I’m on my own property but I can’t bow hunt during first gun week or 3rd hunt. 2nd hunt is are muzzleloader choice
nice to see a few others are in agreements - perhaps we can get OFAH involved and see if controlled hunts could also include bows - if in fact the numbers are still being "controlled" then there should be no reason against it???
The numbers are being controlled, I know people who did not get a validation in the last few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
I can see no reason why someone with a controlled validation, shouldn't be able to use a bow, providing hunter orange Regs. are followed…Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
Question: Would it be because MNRF want the majority of the deer taken asap?
I know nothing of controlled hunts up this way and simply asking.
Not allowed-i asked once directly MNR.That was when they generously "extended "the shotgun season to include Sunday in WMU 80.Yet-at the time,from 8-9 municipalities WMU 80 is made up,ONLY 1 (ONE)allowed Sunday gun discharge.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
So-basically they give by TAKING away a day of hunt.
Dec. Cont. Deer hunt here is muzzleloader or bow.But-You still can apply to ONLY one of the 2 seasons,so it is still a NO GO .
Reg states clearly for Nov hunt-shotgun or muzzleloader"ONLY".
That"ONLY" is the key word.
I also told them-to no avail,when i started hunting ,there was 3 months hunt in WMU 80(6 days Cont Deer)the rest was bow.For "anyone".
They GIVE more oppportunities, intorduced Dec Cont Muzzleloader, and the Sunday (useless)day of hunt.
So-basically they TOOK away in WMU 80 total 8 days of hunting opportunities.
ofcourse - thats why its called a controlled huntQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
perhaps but in many WMU's there arent even additional tags to go around - so by that logic whether I fill my one tag with bow in october or gun in november what do they care... I get what you are saying though..Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
There is NO logic in this one also.Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
You MUST apply for antlerless deer validation for WMU 80 ,to get a doe with a bow. On your MAIN tag.ONLY applies for bow.
But-when you get the Cont Deer validation tag,it is valid for both sexes.Automatically.;):confused:
Yep, same here in 93…Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
I wasn’t aware that there were units where you can’t use a bow during the general firearms season. I don’t see the logic. It’s my understanding that the premise behind controlled hunt to ensure safety by limiting hunters. IMO archery hunting is probably safer than hunting with a firearm.
I could never understand this rule, In some areas, during controlled hunt 1 st week, where it is shotgun it is shotgun only, yet where it is rifle you can use a bow, and in 2nd week where it is black you can use a bow, dont get it shotgun what 80-100 yards max, rifle what 3-400 yards, is it not safer in the shorter distance?
Unfortunately,while there are may hard working,much needed and dedicated employees in MNR,somehow where decisisons are made,directions are taken,and some common sense and logic is to be used-there is not much of it .Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
Example-they asked the PUBLIC about moose regulation changes recommended by hunters ,few years back.Before this new system was put in place.
They polled hunters via the NET. There was a fainted -we will get back to you notion ,somewhere there .
I got my feedback in,and questioned -why while having public moose hunting consultation,they organized 80 % of those public meetings Nort Bay and up...yet 80% of the moose hunters are North Bay and south.....i think my question was logical.Why we are denied acess(or have to travel 400 km)to have a chance to have a face to face say in things ....
Never got a feedback.
Never mind that,but i still can not get my head around-why 20% of hunter population HAD opportunities to say /debate face to face ,and to the rest of us-all this was basically DENIED !
Speaking of another stupid rule, in WMU 65 archery is open for five days and closes only to re-open again on October 15 until december 31. WTF?
It is allowed during shotgun and ML though. Confusing as heck.
October 1 to October 4
October 15 to October 31
November 15 to November 28
December 6 to December 31
The logic is pretty simple....they want to control the number of hunters in the wood and my guess they realize that the orange army is the worst time for hunter accidents. Probably why they call it a controlled hunt. Most get almost 2 months and two weeks to bow hunt. Take your shotgun or ml that week or two. Controlled hunt.
I hunt a small private plot of land in 79, most of the plots in the surrounding area are small (around 10 acres), hence the neighbours are close, one has horses so out of respect I don't gun hunt. The total hunter numbers still be can be controlled by the lottery, I don't see a reason the controlled hunt should eliminate the use of bows.
The same reason why you can use a rifled shotgun with a long range but cannot use a single shot cartridge firearm of less power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
Does not necessarily make sense but it is the rule.
One thought in my head is that many bow hunters do not understand that during a gun hunt they must wear the same hunter orange as gun hunters. I know of people who hunt all seasons with a bow as if they are allowed in full camo.
several years ago I was still hunting in the loring area. I was walking very slowly and as quiet as possible down this trail. I look almost beside me and there is a guy in full camo about 4' of the ground in a fallen tree with his bow. I could imagine if I was back 100yds and had a deer run past me. I would never have seen him and would have unloaded on the deer.
The concept that is being presented is to follow all the controlled rules including the draw numbers and orange clothing except use a bow instead of a gun.
We as a hunting community can stand up and present a responsible solution to the increased urban sprawl before we get told what the rules will be, city limits will continue to expand and property owners will want to reduce gun hunting around those locations, but if we can show bow hunting to be a viable option we can maintain more hunting privileges than we would otherwise lose.
This is already done, from Oct 1st to Dec 31st across the province.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marker
I am confused, what is already done?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
"We as a hunting community can stand up and present a responsible solution to the increased urban sprawl before we get told what the rules will be, city limits will continue to expand and property owners will want to reduce gun hunting around those locations, but if we can show bow hunting to be a viable option we can maintain more hunting privileges than we would otherwise lose. "Quote:
Originally Posted by Marker
There is already a 3 month bow season, you do not need to fight to change the controlled hunt when you have a 3 month bow season.
In the US they have urban shotgun hunts, nothing is wrong or unsafe with having an urban hunt but people don't like hunting. There is no use dividing hunters, like this thread is once again trying to do.
While I respect your opinion (and your other posts), I disagree with you on this point. The approach to maintaining hunting opportunities is being presented above as a proactive diplomatic solution to meet all stakeholders needs, as opposed to a push pull approach where we hunters ask for more than we want and settle in the middle. As such, neither method is attempting to divide hunters per se but to add clarity to the methods used approaching loss of hunting areas in order to add volume to our collective voice. Bow hunting in the controlled hunt near areas of urban sprawl is a solution to maintain hunting opportunities where there are local land owner concerns of gun discharge, no matter how unfounded, and one or both can become ruled out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
In Burlington there is no bow discharge by law. You can discharge a bow and gun or neither. There is no urban hunting around here. Controlled hunt is to control they amount of hunters. Most discharge by laws allow both. There is a 2 month and 3 week bow season in Burlington and a 5 day gun hunt. Is that not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marker
I don't if the bow hunters are looking for a whambulance and cheese, jeez they already have 2 1/2 months of time, if they can't get it done during that time, become a vegan.
I guess my question is................... How does one lose out if one decides to use a bow instead of a gun?
I am lost with many replies by now, reflecting back and forth what is controlled deer and what is not...........then gun vs bow hunter?
I think everyone knows what and why is controlled deer week called controlled .
Ppl ask actually(if we watch carefully)-why bow can not be used at the time gun can?
Period.
Less range,less chance,more skill etc.Makes sense.
My only take is this-if there are bow hunters ONLY, and they would apply to hunt controlled ,if that would be allowed-in many areas hunters who hunt with gun ONLY, may be "pushed out "from hunting opportunity ,due of tag limits/high applicant numbers.
Hovewer ,i know ZERO hunters around here,who hunts ONLY gun.
Yet-i do not know ,but the assumption above COULD have very sound logic.
if MNRF knows the numbers,and my theory is sound-let it be as is.
I understand your points, the system is already working as we can see from the controlled hunts in 87 (14 days) vs 79 (5 days), I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbonura
Can I bow hunt during muzzleloader season
It depends what WMU you are in, there is a type of hunt called controlled hunts which do not allow use of bows but not all areas have controlled hunts. Check the hunting regulations map (link below) for your WMU and then go down to the charts to determine when bows can be used:Quote:
Originally Posted by pointer
https://www.ontario.ca/document/onta...ations-summary
NDMNRF have an EBR regarding streamlinig Deer hunting seasons in the province. Maybe,they can get all this crap sorted out,too,while they're at it.
I believe this issue was mentioned in the EBR.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21