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This non-vaxxed person seems to have had a change of heart ...
‘I was suffocating’: Unvaccinated Alberta woman shares COVID-19 experience (msn.com)
But let me guess, she's a liar, right? MSM set this up, right?
My position, getting the vaccine should be a choice.
COVID is not just a flu, it is FAR, FAR worse.
Fake news you say... sure lots of it out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
https://www.thecountersignal.com/new...vid-propaganda
Why can't they do real broadcasting?Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
lol.
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Not allowed to, same for healthcare workers, breaks agreement with Phyzer. Big Pharma have choke-holds on governments though contractual agreements.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
There's all kinds of "fake news" stories like that.......in the cemetary.
The fake news is very much a reality (brought to you by Pfizer, of course): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5xqP-aPwOUQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
There has been zero reporting on flu cases since this scamdemic began. And by now we all know how dishonest the reporting has been re cases and deaths. Tons of false positives. Everything was just chalked up to a covid death even if the person fell down the stairs and died while they also happened to have covid.
There have been many cases of healthy people getting severely ill, and almost dying from the flu. So if you want to play the outlier game it can go both ways.
Reality is covid is nothing more than the sniffles for the vast majority of people. This is where the disconnect comes in -- why force 2-3 experimental jabs ($$$) and enforce draconian, soul-crushing lockdowns for the majority of healthy people? It doesn't add up when you zoom out and look at things from a macro level. Why censor any talk of natural immunity?
Even if covid is far worse than the flu, which is debatable, I agree with you the vaccines should be optional.
If covid is so dangerous, why are Scandinavian countries completely open with no restrictions or masks on planes, etc. Why are people now flocking to theatres and sporting events to sit inches away from the coughs and sneezes of strangers, when they've been cowering in fear and not seeing their own families for almost 2 years?
It's social engineering and psychological warfare, and the truth is waayy down on the priority list unfortunately.
My old boss who got covid and will not be working again because of the damaged done to his lungs is probably faking including the time he spent in the hospital.
The farmer I know down the road who also can barely work because of what Covid did to his lungs, must also be faking it.
I know three people that contracted it, two were severely ill. One spent a month on a ventilator in an induced coma. He still has lung problems…..fake news ?? No way !!
Less people got measles
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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker
Well, I like to use my own data ... forget everyone else and what they say ... just my own, who I personally know, what I've seen with my own eyes ... this way I know I don't need to trust the propoganda of both sides ... vaxxers and anti-vaxxers alike ... because both sides have lots of bull$H!t they believe in ... YES, BOTH SIDES.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushwhacker
Here's my data ... I now know 2 anti-vaxxers that died (one a family member) from COVID in the past 4 months! I don't know ANYONE that has died from an "ordinary flu" ... ZERO.
I know 7 people in total that have died from COVID (antivaxx and vaxx together) in the past 1 year. I know a handful of people that got it and survived and say it is the WORST thing they've ever experienced.
I know a few people (a little less than the number that got really sick from COVID), that tested for COVID (due to proximity to someone who had COVID) ... and they were positive, but had no symptoms.
The majority of my friends and family have not tested positive for COVID.
I have spoken with doctors in Italy and Canada, who were/are live on the scene treating COVID patients ... and they say it's no joke.
So, those are my truths/realities ... from my perspective ... when you guys say this is nothing than the sniffles ... I'm like, what drugs you guys on?
You see ... you guys point your fingers at the other side and call them sheep.
You guys are sheep too ... you are just believing BS that someone else you trust is tell you.
LOTS of sheep, on both sides of the equation ... tonnes and tonnes of sheep! Baaaaaaaa. Baaaaaa.
No discredit to you Bushwhacker ... I just wish people would stop jumping in deep with the propaganda on both sides ... we are being played!
Don't let them fool you!
The truth is in the middle ... it always has.
Vaccine should be a choice ... but get educated, and stop listening to the propaganda!
But impact is the foremost expert in the world
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Originally Posted by MarkB
Pro-vax pushing brainwashed losers don't care who suffers, children included. True cowards imo
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Indeed I'd say you have definitely been playedQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
https://www.thecountersignal.com/new...vid-propaganda
https://thenationaltelegraph.com/reg...u-bed-capacity
https://thenewamerican.com/shocking-...ccine-mandate/
Yep that's about as played as you can be
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I feel like the last 20 months is people trying to convince me of all kinds of crazy reasons to ignoreQuote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
the fact that I know plenty people who have died, been seriously injured or have had semi-permanent to permanent
damage from COVID ... I'm supposed to believe it's just sniffles.
And then I get called a sheep and brainwashed, when I don't believe their propaganda.
You see, it works both ways. Anti-vaxxers also don't know how to reason, and have an educated discussion.
I'm called a fear mongerer, sheep, brainwashed ... all the stuff I'd expect in Grade 3, on a school playground.
Both sides are equally wrong and equally bad. And neither are right.
Anti-vaxxers too ... the BS I've heard, whoa! Anti-vaxxers should move to Hollywood and make some movies ... they would be friggin amazing crazy unreal stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I challenge you to come out and meet my friend and tell him he's faking it.
Where do you's come up with anti-vaxxers? Please enlighten us why the names? There's many people who don't care to participate in a medical experimentation with absolutely zero recourse from injury or death. It's called freedom of choice, medical privacy, the right to refuse coercion.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
I have a step daughter that caved to her employer and to social restrictions. Now as a result of mrna experiment she has been to the emergency once and clinic from chronic headaches and un-explainable rashes on both legs. ER doctor told her he cannot say that it is from the vaccine even though these symptoms started days after vaxxed. She has less than .01 percent of dying from Covid and now has to suffer as a result. The best part is doctors are silenced to speak the truth.
Anti-vaxxer, no not at all. I'm definitely against being part of experimental drug trials...
When the pro-vaxxers start getting very sick they have no where to point their fingers except at themselves...
:o
You are an anti vaxer
Cowardly commentQuote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Nope not afraid of you and have even offered to meet up with you same as Impact and Smitty.
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Originally Posted by canadaman30
Maybe he'll post his address again and invite you to a fight too. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Ignore the anti-vaxxers. They are a shrinking minority in Ontario comprised largely of crackpots at the keyboards. As of today 87% of the eligible population in Ontario have had at least one shot. 85% have had both.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
In the last election anti-vaxxers had an option that supported their views. The PPC took 5% of the vote. Anti-vaxxers are completely insignificant and getting more so each day.
No need to fight, I want to ask him in person what is problem is.
But there is very little I am afraid of except maybe my kids or Grand Kids getting seriously harmed.
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
You cried to admin when you got called out for location cameras and YouTube to follow..... lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
I put the offer and location and you cried to admin as welll.....lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
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First of all unlike you Guy's I do not go crying to the admins. I received 2 points so far the past week. I do know one of you three went crying to the Admin.
Same here. I didn't report him either. I just laughed at someone who would get so riled up about something on the Internet that he'd post his address (assuming it was really his address) and invite a complete stranger over for a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Meanwhile, 13,774 vaccine doses were administered in Ontario today again proving the complete irrelevance of the anti-vaxxers no matter how belligerent they get.
https://covid19tracker.ca/vaccinationtracker.html
You guys are all to much for real LOL.
Either you have it or you dont. Who cares. Make your own choice and live your life. Thats all.
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I laughed to when you wouldnt backup what you claimed...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
MSM played you...Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
https://www.thecountersignal.com/new...vid-propaganda
https://thenationaltelegraph.com/reg...u-bed-capacity
Trudeau is playing you even as late as the last couple days. Tell me again how your not being played?
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Like the coward you are you never answered my comment posting facts that 18000 Quebec health care workers have refused the experimental genetic manipulation jab. I suppose you think those quite knowledgeable people are all anti vaxxers too or are they just exercising their Charter rights? Again you can never post a single fact to back up anything you say because you're never right lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Stop calling each other sheep or we'll close the thread. You're all entitled to your stances but stop flinging mud.
Happy Wednesday.
:)
Baaaaa...:)
(translate:..'OK' in sheep) HaHa..
There's plenty of anti-vaxxers on this site alone, lol. I hear all kinds from you guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I hear from friends and family that are anti-vaxxers.
I also am on other blogs that have anti-vaxxers.
Here's the stories I've heard from anti-vaxxers ... and don't tell me you haven't, because we both know you'd be telling a fib!
- they are injecting us with something that when the 5G network is turned on it will either be able to track us or control us. Nanochips and graphene have both been suggested.
- they are trying to cull half the world's population to avert climate change
- they simply need an excuse to have a vaccine passport in place, which will ultimately be used to control what people can and can't do ... and that will allow them to press forward with their socialistic globalization visions.
Those are the ones I hear almost on a weekly basis. Some of them are quite creative ... and that's why I think those people should go to Hollywood and make a movie. They'd be amazing movies!
LOL, MSM has played me ... I don't give a e about MSM ... I hardly watch the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I am going on things I see with my own eyes, and first hand people I talk to. I don't rely on the news,
your news or other news ... they are all liars.
You are being fooled just as much as the vaxxers who rely on MSM. You just choose to believe your "fake" news.
There are an equal if not LARGER population of medical experts that have got the vaccine ... I know several of them personally (friends, close friends).Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
So, who's right?
They are equally as smart and knowledgeable ... and felt the vaccine was adequately tested, and know it does help to keep hospitals from being inundated.
And millions did not accept 'adequate' as good enough...so why do you have such a problem with accepting that ??Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Mike, again, stop putting words in my mouth, and start READING all my posts instead of the typical knee jerk reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I have said MANY times, vaccine should be a choice. So I have no issue with that.
I'm pointing out there are an equal amount (if not more) medical people who have no issue with getting the vaccine.
So, let's put all the info on the table, instead of just creating propaganda by showing the one side that hasn't gotten the vaccine.
In fact, one article I read indicated that only 10% of the medical staff is unvaxxinated!
There's a whopping 90% that are vaccinated!!!! So, I have more confidence in the vaccine now that I know that 90% of our doctors and nurses
are okay taking the vaccine! That's a remarkable amount of support!
More fake news fooling us you say...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
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Thing is it's not because they wanted it so much as the fact that for the most part they have been coerced with the threat of dismissal. If they were actually left to choose on there own with no repercussions no doubt the numbers would be quite different.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
If that's the case then would it not also apply to all those people who call everyone who believes in free choice anti vaxxers when in fact it's only the experimental mRNA covid vaccine with it's many reported side effects that many people are against being forced to take. It has to work both ways, or at least it should.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeghanOOD
Not exactly what you're saying but to think it's not possible is like having blinders on. Check out this patent for a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10786570B2/en
Not all of it is fake news, but I can assure you, we are all reading and believing some fake news.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Both sides, vaxxers and anti-vaxxers alike ... there's a war going on, for your unwavering support.
Not really. All my doctor and nurse friends (close, as in I play poker with them, or see them once a week at the hockey rink on my son's team) ... they all chose to take the vaccine on their own, no pressure by the government. They did it only because they felt it was the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
Like I said, I don't just believe in the BS I read, I talk to people, I have REAL information.
I agree, it has to work both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
Same thing with information and choices ... by calling COVID a common cold is a slap in the face to many who have died and gotten very sick from it.
To call us sheep, when we have seen our loved ones suffer and die is also a slap in the face ... and quite frankly ... y'all get the eyeball roll when you
type such things, because we all know those kinds of things being said by anti-vaxxers is complete nonsense, so you just lose credibility.
Smitty, if they want to inject you with something ... it's already been done. LOL. They don't need a vaccine like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
Has anyone here had a PCR COVID test yet??? Any anti-vaxxer??? What's stopping them from implanting a chip deep in your sinus from the test swab?
You can ingest nano materials ... and you wouldn't even know it ... you don't need a needle.
You do realize healthcare workers are silenced to speak negative about vaccine through contractual agreement with phyzer?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
I'm sure you'll chalk it up as fake news as well?...lol
Smitty,Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
It could be anything about anything, but marked contempt for "the other" is the thing that we're trying to discourage here. State your positions cleanly, is all we ask, and please follow the forum guidelines.
An important distinction I believe you have missed sir: propaganda, by definition, is usually something that is propped up by various arms of the state apparatus for some type of political/financial gain. It is subversive and seeks to control rather than inform. So a smaller % of dissidents or freedom fighters would not necessarily be spreading propaganda...they would be combating the propaganda by trying to expose the truth (which is increasingly being censored). It does favour one side of the political aisle much more heavily, and that is simply a 'point' that just needs to be scored in this particular debate. Especially when such things come directly from the horse's mouth -- great reset, build back better, not to mention the inventor of the pcr test and mrna vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
People see through this and ask questions. This is a healthy and natural response from a free Western country.
I'm not interested in comparing anecdotal evidence. You happen to know people who have had more complicated experiences with Covid, while I have the opposite experience. My wife and I, as well as some friends and family members were all totally fine in about 5 days. I've had worse hangovers. I know several healthy people including a young family member who've had severe complications from the vaccine. I know healthy people who were completely flattened by the flu, and one friend who almost died.
As you said we are free to use our own practical reason to guide or decision making process. But just like my opening paragraph above, the difference is one point of view is heavily bought and paid for, while the other is censored and suppressed at every turn. They only recently squeaked out an article that actually mentioned natural immunity being more effective than the vaccines. I couldn't believe it.
Many people are choosing to trust in their God-given rationality and immune systems for a virus that has a 99% survival rate, instead of lying politicians and the so called 'experts' on their payroll. There's nothing conspiratorial about that.
Very few young healthy people have been severely harmed by Covid. That's a fact. The average age of a Covid death is over 80, which is higher than the average life expectancy in North America.
If parents want to vaccinate their 5-11 year old because big daddy government tells them it's a good idea I will obviously have to disagree, but they are free to do so.
It's not a slap in the face to the people who've been hurt from Covid to accurately point out statistics and speak honestly about its purported dangers being overblown. It is a slap in the face to be lied to and misled by countless so called experts who've flipped flopped all over the place regarding the efficacy of certain measures, and stabbed each other in the back amidst a complete lack of scientific consensus. By politicians who've been complicit in one of the most ruthless forms of social engineering we've ever seen. The countless people who've suffered mental health breakdowns and economic ruin because of hypocritical, anti-scientific lockdowns. Kids who aren't allowed to play outside with their friends or take off their masks at school because of cowardly, hysterical fully vaccinated parents and teachers. Kids who've missed their graduation and other milestone events. Kids who couldn't play sports while pro athletes galavanted around the globe and dined in fancy restaurants. That's a slap in the face.
We went from "15 days to flatten the curve" to "3 shots or you lose your job and all your freedoms"
If people want to line up for infinite boosters and continue wearing masks while living in fear that is their choice.
They should also respect the choice of those who take the opposite path, especially those with natural immunity to the virus.
Some funny memes on the matter
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LOL ... fake news has to be the buzz word around here. It's being thrown around by both sides, and somehowQuote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
people get a sense of accomplishment, and feel steadfast in their opinions ... because if it doesn't fit your beliefs,
it's GOT TO BE FAKE NEWS RIGHT?? LOL .... we are doomed.
No, no ... I can reassure you my friends don't give a about phyzer ...
But let me guess, you'll chalk it up as fake news as well? right?
I appreciate this post. Please allow me to clarify a few things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushwhacker
I carefully thought about using the word propoganda in reference to what anti-vaxxers believe.
You see, I think there is a group that the anti-vaxxers trust, whom are spreading some non-sense, and the reason
is simply for political gain. They oppose the current government, they oppose what they do, and they want
change.
Don't get me wrong ... I can't wait for the day for the Liberals to be out of power, but I also am very careful about
my information sources, and acknowledge how any source can be tainted by conflict of interest ... and if anything else,
just a stubbornness to change mindset because they'd hate to admit they were wrong.
On another note, I say comments like "it's just a flu", or "it's just gives you the sniffles" and it is all "fake news" IS a slap
in the face to those who have died and their loved ones they leave behind. Try telling my cousin who just lost her husband
from covid ... he's gone ... can't undo that. She'd be pretty p!ssed off at anyone calling this a common flu. And he, by the way,
was anti-vaxx.
Once again I'll state my position. Taking the vaccine should be a choice, and COVID is much more serious than the flu.
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Originally Posted by MarkB
I guess that would depend on the age group you are in.
One article is covid 19 and the other is regular flu . You decide what did more harmful and put more stress on the health care system. One article is 9 months of covid the other is the beginning of the flu season.
264 kids from covid in 2020 in 9 months 43% didn't even know they had covid.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/kids-...risk-1.6191067
The first few months of the the flu 2017 2018 season. By January 13th 303 kids hospitalized 48 so sick they needed an ICU 6 kids under the age of 10 died.
4th paragraph if you want the deaths of the kids I will get that link for you too.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health...erts-1.3773039
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And we had a vaccine available FREE ....less than 60% of the pop get it annually.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
But for others this virus is far more deadlier than the flu. So where is the middle point?
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IMO there is no "pandemic". Less than 1% of the world allegedly dying from a disease over the course of two years is not a pandemic, and anyone telling you otherwise has succumbed to fear. Simple as that.
P.S. I have a headache from all this covid talk. Can you guys all please take an advil so that my advil will work? ;)
Unfortunately, like most things, the middle point lies with the general public. Almost everything has a 50/50 split if the media sticks to just report then news and politicians don't interfere.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Like with annual shots, it's there, it's available free, and still only 60% get it. And they are mostly elderly because it can and does kill that age group. Everyone else just gets it or regrets not doing so after the fact. But there is no need to 'mandate' it.
This pandemic has been the most aggressive social engineering project the world has ever seen. Driven by the MSM and the Village Idiot spouting off doom and gloom every morning from his pulpit. Caused panic, fear and division as never seen before in these modern times. With that, they achieved 80% vaccination rate in a pandemic that killed less than 30,000 people in a pop of 38 million..that is 0.08%..less than 1%, death rate.
The only thing we really learned is that our Hospitals's ICU care is woefully inadequate. Could have used some of the $71 Billion they spent on CERB far more usefully upgrading our Health Care than paying little Johnny to stay comfy in his Moms basement HaHa
Well I PERSONALLY know:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
30, 40 and 70 year old that died from COVID
18 - 24, couple of 50 year olds that had severe illness due to COVID
So it seems the age groups with my own data is pretty well distributed.
If the hospitals can cope, yes, you get away with 1% to 2% death rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushwhacker
If you become flooded like Italy, then it goes up to 10% to 15% ... which is insane.
And Italy did happen, I spoke live with a doctor on the scene ... it was a travesty!