Air Canada suspends more than 800 employees

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...for-not-being/

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Air Canada suspends more than 800 employees
ERIC ATKINS TRANSPORTATION REPORTER
PUBLISHED YESTERDAY

More than 800 Air Canada employees are suspended without pay for not getting fully vaccinated against COVID-19, in accordance with government and airline rules.

Michael Rousseau, chief executive officer of Montreal-based Air Canada, said on Tuesday almost all the airline’s 27,000 pilots, flight attendants and other employees have had both shots. “Our employees have done their part, with now over 96 per cent fully vaccinated,”

Mr. Rousseau said. “The employees who are not vaccinated or do not have a medical or other permitted exemptions have been put on unpaid leave.”

Employees of Air Canada and other Canadian airlines must be fully vaccinated by Oct. 30 or face layoff and possible firing, according to rules imposed by the federal government.

WestJet Airlines Ltd. said on Monday almost 300 of its 7,300 employees are suspended for not getting both immunizations, which reduce the chances of becoming seriously ill from the virus that has killed about 29,000 people in Canada since the onset of the pandemic in March, 2020.

Leisure airline Transat AT Inc. suspended 18 people on Nov. 1 for not getting the shots, most of them flight attendants, said Christophe Hennebelle, a spokesman for the airline that employs 2,000.

Air Canada employees who do not get vaccinated face unpaid leave and possible termination, the airline said. The number suspended could change as people get their shots, said Peter Fitzpatrick, an Air Canada spokesman.

The government requires airline and railway passengers to show proof of vaccination as of Oct. 30. Railway employees are also required to be vaccinated. The moves are intended to reduce the spread of COVID-19 and safely reopen travel and borders. Canada’s borders are open to fully vaccinated travellers, but they must also provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken within 72 hours before boarding the flight or crossing the land border.

Acceptable tests include the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test but not rapid antigen results.

Air Canada’s Mr. Rousseau said the airline is committed to implementing the measures intended to protect the health and safety of employees and travellers. “We do believe, however, that with the combination of the new travel policy and high vaccination rates for the general public, the predeparture PCR test is unnecessary and we will continue to advocate for its elimination,” he said on a conference call with analysts to discuss the airline’s third-quarter financial results.

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You love all these suspensions
It's like you have a fetish for controling people. You always have.

It's actually Sad when so many people are being forced into something they don't want. It's a shame many of them would have to take it so they can keep their house or careers.

For something that's new without taking the proper testing. Just take it and see what happens. No thanks

What about all the people who have had this virus already what is the logic in it ?

Both Pfizer and AstraZeneca added neurological side effects the other day.

What's even funnier is we had a paid procedure done in the thick of the lockdowns. We have pumped thousands into dentist office that works directly with your mouth all the germs and not once did they ask if they are vaccinated.

But if you want to do something for fun or enjoyment you need a shot so you can still spread the virus freely.

It's a shame so many people don't really have a choice so many people can't afford to walk alway.

It's funny I'm not aloud to sit in a restaurant but if I wanted to work as a Waiter in that restaurant it wouldn't be a problem if I was unvaccinated.




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Originally Posted by fishfood

You love all these suspensions
It's like you have a fetish for controling people. You always have.

It's actually Sad when so many people are being forced into something they don't want. It's a shame many of them would have to take it so they can keep their house or careers.

For something that's new without taking the proper testing. Just take it and see what happens. No thanks

What about all the people who have had this virus already what is the logic in it ?

Both Pfizer and AstraZeneca added neurological side effects the other day.

What's even funnier is we had a paid procedure done in the thick of the lockdowns. We have pumped thousands into dentist office that works directly with your mouth all the germs and not once did they ask if they are vaccinated.

But if you want to do something for fun or enjoyment you need a shot so you can still spread the virus freely.

It's a shame so many people don't really have a choice so many people can't afford to walk alway.

It's funny I'm not aloud to sit in a restaurant but if I wanted to work as a Waiter in that restaurant it wouldn't be a problem if I was unvaccinated.




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Fishfood, sadly some sickening individuals get themselves off by seeing others suffer immensely.
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Originally Posted by fishfood

It's funny I'm not aloud to sit in a restaurant but if I wanted to work as a Waiter in that restaurant it wouldn't be a problem if I was unvaccinated.

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This is the issue that is being addressed by the federal regulations. If passengers are required to be immunized to fly then the people working in the cockpit and cabin need to meet the same standard.

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This is the issue that is being addressed by the federal regulations. If passengers are required to be immunized to fly then the people working in the cockpit and cabin need to meet the same standard.

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The entire thing is a problem if a third of vaccinated has the same viral load as the unvaccinated.

We will create a burden in our health system and many other sectors of government run things such as the bus transportation. Hundreds of busses cancelled as the driver put on suspension .

Not all the health care are willing to put this into their body either leaving the medical field suspectable to collapse this winter.

An ER doctor left one hospital for another in the state's.

We have successfully divided the people.

The freedom of choice to what goes into someone's body before the trials are even completed.

Remember 1 in 5200 people has had a serious adverse reaction to get what we have within the fully vaccinated group. So anything with a risk should not be forced into people.

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Amen. Nailed it.

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Exactly...what is the point of being 'Verified' to get on a plane, yet your sitting on a plane and the guy next to you has Covid but wasn't tested because he was double vaxxed.

Skip the Vaccine passport joke and go back to testing everyone again who wants to travel or just adapt to living with the virus in our midst. Like we're going to end up doing anyway.

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Let's correct a few of those points with facts ... instead of BS propaganda.

1) Booster shot is not a definite ... only proposed for the most vulnerable. It is yet to be seen whether vaccine efficiency to prevent SEVERE ILLNESS perpetuates or requires a booster.
2) Testing should not be required for fully vaccinated, in fact there is discussion to drop testing for travelers returning to Canada who are fully vaccinated. Testing would only be necessary if someone is experience symptoms of COVID ... so there is knowledge of interaction with others, and I'd say mostly to protect the unvaccinated.
3) Hospitalization rate of unvaccinated is approximately 35 times higher than vaccinated. 35 TIMES!!! That's insanely higher odds! But, none the less, the vaccine was never declared as being a cure (100% effective).
4) Masks and social distancing are in practice pretty much to protect the unvaccinated and most vulnerable.
5) Ontario's numbers are WAY down ... everyone predicted a huge rise in COVID due to the colder weather ... assuming the vaccine was ineffective. WRONG! We have avoided a lock down ... so this is complete BS.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Let's correct a few of those points with facts ... instead of BS propaganda.

1) Booster shot is not a definite ... only proposed for the most vulnerable. It is yet to be seen whether vaccine efficiency to prevent SEVERE ILLNESS perpetuates or requires a booster.
2) Testing should not be required for fully vaccinated, in fact there is discussion to drop testing for travelers returning to Canada who are fully vaccinated. Testing would only be necessary if someone is experience symptoms of COVID ... so there is knowledge of interaction with others, and I'd say mostly to protect the unvaccinated.
3) Hospitalization rate of unvaccinated is approximately 35 times higher than vaccinated. 35 TIMES!!! That's insanely higher odds! But, none the less, the vaccine was never declared as being a cure (100% effective).
4) Masks and social distancing are in practice pretty much to protect the unvaccinated and most vulnerable.
5) Ontario's numbers are WAY down ... everyone predicted a huge rise in COVID due to the colder weather ... assuming the vaccine was ineffective. WRONG! We have avoided a lock down ... so this is complete BS.

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Some facts you forgot...

1. Boosters already been done in some provinces and around the world..already determined it's required.
2. With vaccinated people becoming infected..more testing will be required, not less.
3. Have to look at reality..only 3 patients in Hospital, 1was fully vaxxed, and 2 aren't..don't make 35% sound like its a huge number.
4. Masks and distance is still applicable to everyone, especially to the fully vaxxed who 'think' they're immune but statistically, 30% (60% in some counties ) of them are also infected.
5. Our numbers are down because we've achieved 'Herd Immunity'...too few people left unvaccinated to matter.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Let's correct a few of those points with facts ... instead of BS propaganda.

1) Booster shot is not a definite ... only proposed for the most vulnerable. It is yet to be seen whether vaccine efficiency to prevent SEVERE ILLNESS perpetuates or requires a booster.
2) Testing should not be required for fully vaccinated, in fact there is discussion to drop testing for travelers returning to Canada who are fully vaccinated. Testing would only be necessary if someone is experience symptoms of COVID ... so there is knowledge of interaction with others, and I'd say mostly to protect the unvaccinated.
3) Hospitalization rate of unvaccinated is approximately 35 times higher than vaccinated. 35 TIMES!!! That's insanely higher odds! But, none the less, the vaccine was never declared as being a cure (100% effective).
4) Masks and social distancing are in practice pretty much to protect the unvaccinated and most vulnerable.
5) Ontario's numbers are WAY down ... everyone predicted a huge rise in COVID due to the colder weather ... assuming the vaccine was ineffective. WRONG! We have avoided a lock down ... so this is complete BS.

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Boosters are coming bc has already said that. Yes to the general public .

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If a third of vaccinated have the same viral load as the unvaccinated yes they should be tested.

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Most of cases have come from the younger generation with the least hospitalized.

Hundreds of thousands of cases with very little that needed medical attention. So who is at risk?

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If the so called vaccine was effective there would be no need to to worry about the vaccinated spreading it to the unvaccinated.

As it stands more of the vaxxed are spreading this deadly disease.

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Our only cold weather we have seen was the beginning of September the the spike happened. The cold has just arrived the last few days. It's not even really cold yet. Nice out today lol.

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Boosters are coming bc has already said that. Yes to the general public .

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If a third of vaccinated have the same viral load as the unvaccinated yes they should be tested.

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Most of cases have come from the younger generation with the least hospitalized.

Hundreds of thousands of cases with very little that needed medical attention. So who is at risk?

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If the so called vaccine was effective there would be no need to to worry about the vaccinated spreading it to the unvaccinated.

As it stands more of the vaxxed are spreading this deadly disease.

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Our only cold weather we have seen was the beginning of September the the spike happened. The cold has just arrived the last few days. It's not even really cold yet. Nice out today lol.

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1. Let's see what happens ... I too am curious how this plays out. But, boosters may be necessary simply due to virus mutations ... same as annual flu shot. They need to target the common mutations.
2. Why should they be tested? If vaccinated express little to no symptoms ... who cares? This does become like common cold then ... we don't test everyone for common cold.
3. I don't understand ... are you saying a third of unvaccinated or vaccinated are younger gen? And what is the point? We can see if we compare unvaxxed in ICU / unvaxxed population and compare same ratio to vaxxed ... it is 35 x higher in Ontario for unvaxxed.
4. All we care about is NOT inundating ICU with COVID patients ... and because unvaxxed are 35x more likely to require hospitalization ... we have to be precautious about limiting spread of COVID to unvaxxed.
5. I don't know about you, but it's been cold for about 3 weeks here in Southern Ontario ... one study I read states optimal temperature for transmission is 5'C to 14'C ... it's basically been that for almost 3 weeks. Average gestation period for virus is 1 week, and 2 weeks we all know is standard quarantine period, so you're not infectious outside that window. This means we been in the optimal cold weather window now long enough to see a spike in cases this week. In past few days, the number of cases is similar to past few weeks, in fact 100 people lower per day in Ontario than 1 month ago.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Some facts you forgot...

1. Boosters already been done in some provinces and around the world..already determined it's required.
2. With vaccinated people becoming infected..more testing will be required, not less.
3. Have to look at reality..only 3 patients in Hospital, 1was fully vaxxed, and 2 aren't..don't make 35% sound like its a huge number.
4. Masks and distance is still applicable to everyone, especially to the fully vaxxed who 'think' they're immune but statistically, 30% (60% in some counties ) of them are also infected.
5. Our numbers are down because we've achieved 'Herd Immunity'...too few people left unvaccinated to matter.

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Mike, where the heck are you getting your numbers from????? Point (3) ... only 3 patients in Hospital??? Come on man, what BS are you believe in now??
Like I said, you guys are also following your version of fake news.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

As of today in Ontario ICU:

Unvaccinated = 60
Partially vaccinated = 6
Fully vaccinated = 12

10.7 million adults have taken at least 1 dose in Ontario
1.4 million adults not vaccinated in Ontario.

60 / 1.4 million = 42.9 unvaxxed in ICU per 1 million
18 / 10.7 million = 1.7 vaxxed (incl partially vaxxed) in ICU per 1 million

Correction ... the rate of severe illness requiring ICU is 25.5x higher in unvaxxed than vaxxed. And remember, I've been lenient by considering partially vaxxed as fully vaxxed.

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Mike, where the heck are you getting your numbers from????? Point (3) ... only 3 patients in Hospital??? Come on man, what BS are you believe in now??
Like I said, you guys are also following your version of fake news.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

As of today in Ontario ICU:

Unvaccinated = 60
Partially vaccinated = 6
Fully vaccinated = 12

10.7 million adults have taken at least 1 dose in Ontario
1.4 million adults not vaccinated in Ontario.

60 / 1.4 million = 42.9 unvaxxed in ICU per 1 million
18 / 10.7 million = 1.7 vaxxed (incl partially vaxxed) in ICU per 1 million

Correction ... the rate of severe illness requiring ICU is 25.5x higher in unvaxxed than vaxxed. And remember, I've been lenient by considering partially vaxxed as fully vaxxed.

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https://www.thecountersignal.com/new...vid-propaganda

https://thenationaltelegraph.com/reg...u-bed-capacity

https://principia-scientific.com/thr...s-do-not-work/

https://bridgecitynews.ca/alberta-nu...FGSuJgJGLP6sYs

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/on...5_9an92UE4sYIc

Boosters you say...many years worth already paid for. Fake news, I think not ...lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MU2Kcw...ature=youtu.be

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1. Let's see what happens ... I too am curious how this plays out. But, boosters may be necessary simply due to virus mutations ... same as annual flu shot. They need to target the common mutations.
2. Why should they be tested? If vaccinated express little to no symptoms ... who cares? This does become like common cold then ... we don't test everyone for common cold.
3. I don't understand ... are you saying a third of unvaccinated or vaccinated are younger gen? And what is the point? We can see if we compare unvaxxed in ICU / unvaxxed population and compare same ratio to vaxxed ... it is 35 x higher in Ontario for unvaxxed.
4. All we care about is NOT inundating ICU with COVID patients ... and because unvaxxed are 35x more likely to require hospitalization ... we have to be precautious about limiting spread of COVID to unvaxxed.
5. I don't know about you, but it's been cold for about 3 weeks here in Southern Ontario ... one study I read states optimal temperature for transmission is 5'C to 14'C ... it's basically been that for almost 3 weeks. Average gestation period for virus is 1 week, and 2 weeks we all know is standard quarantine period, so you're not infectious outside that window. This means we been in the optimal cold weather window now long enough to see a spike in cases this week. In past few days, the number of cases is similar to past few weeks, in fact 100 people lower per day in Ontario than 1 month ago.

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You said you are 35 time more likely to be hospitalized. But who is at a high risk of being hospitalized? We know Young people under 30 make up about 40 per cent of the cases with very low hospitalized and low deaths.
Average age of needing medical attention is in its 50s and there are plenty not vaccinated. Only 86 per cent of Canadians between 50 and 59 vaxxed over 25 or close to 30 per cent of all people over 50 are not vaccinated.

Ps a third of the vaccinated was 2 lol.

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5. I don't know about you, but it's been cold for about 3 weeks here in Southern Ontario ... one study I read states optimal temperature for transmission is 5'C to 14'C ... it's basically been that for almost 3 weeks. Average gestation period for virus is 1 week, and 2 weeks we all know is standard quarantine period, so you're not infectious outside that window. This means we been in the optimal cold weather window now long enough to see a spike in cases this week. In past few days, the number of cases is similar to past few weeks, in fact 100 people lower per day in Ontario than 1 month ago.

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Lots of people still keeping the events out doors. The weather has been nice enough to keep it out doors.
Most events we did this year only had about 30 more people than last year on average. A few big ones though lol.

1 good event had everyone tested when they arrived with a rapid test.







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https://www.thecountersignal.com/new...vid-propaganda

https://thenationaltelegraph.com/reg...u-bed-capacity

https://principia-scientific.com/thr...s-do-not-work/

https://bridgecitynews.ca/alberta-nu...FGSuJgJGLP6sYs

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/on...5_9an92UE4sYIc

Boosters you say...many years worth already paid for. Fake news, I think not ...lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MU2Kcw...ature=youtu.be

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Believe what you want ... doesn't matter. I know the truth. I speak to people who are working in the hospitals.
Nothing fake about that. Calling it fake, means you are ignoring the truth ... but whatever ... I guess you'll just
have to decide whether I'm a liar or not.

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You said you are 35 time more likely to be hospitalized. But who is at a high risk of being hospitalized? We know Young people under 30 make up about 40 per cent of the cases with very low hospitalized and low deaths.
Average age of needing medical attention is in its 50s and there are plenty not vaccinated. Only 86 per cent of Canadians between 50 and 59 vaxxed over 25 or close to 30 per cent of all people over 50 are not vaccinated.

Ps a third of the vaccinated was 2 lol.

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Doesn't matter. The virus doesn't distinguish according to you guys ... if you are vaccinated or not.
There are 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 year olds that are vaccinated and unvaccinated ... equal demographic.
And still there is 25x (based on today's numbers) higher likelihood of requiring ICU if you are not vaccinated.
That's the beauty of comparing the two numbers ... you cannot bias one or the other ... because both populations
have representation of the same age groups.

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Doesn't matter. The virus doesn't distinguish according to you guys ... if you are vaccinated or not.
There are 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 year olds that are vaccinated and unvaccinated ... equal demographic.
And still there is 25x (based on today's numbers) higher likelihood of requiring ICU if you are not vaccinated.
That's the beauty of comparing the two numbers ... you cannot bias one or the other ... because both populations
have representation of the same age groups.

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That's the problem age is key I'm 39 and know many that said it was really nasty. My 2 oldest kids 22 and 17 know many that have had tested positive and many of them had very little symptoms and actually said it's nothing. My step dad said he almost died he is over weight and 62 my mom has diabetes, heart issues a pase maker and stints throughout her she ok . If it's what I had December 2019 it was bad lasted weeks and felt like crap on an off spitting big chunks for 2 months.

A 10 year old compared to àn 80 year old has a 10 thousand chance less of a serious outcome. While the 80 year old is 10 thousand time more at risk of developing severe covid and death. Those are just facts.

There is less than 1 percent of children vaxxed and there is very little chance they will need medical attention let alone see an ICU . In fact the regular flu put more kids in the ICU and had way more death's in the last few months of 2017 then all 2020 from covid. Most of the younger people from my kids ages they are ok not going to the hospital and say it's not so bad. My kids know many many people who has had covid recovered from covid 19 and knows zero deaths or hospital visits. However they both know several kids who have died from other causes like bad accidents.

More teenagers are vaccinated compared to the 20 to 39 age groups. I'm guessing it's because they wanted to go to the movies and was pushed into getting it. My 17 year old was almost pushed this way to do something she enjoyed. I also know many more young teens that got it just to go into a restaurant and eat.

Here is a little break down from stats Canada.
56.6 % of our total cases in almost 2 years has resulted in 285 death's this group is 0 to 39 ages . I'm 39 am I at a high risk of death when they inflated these 285 death's? No probably not since thousands more in the that age group have died from opioids almost 20x more probably more now .

Then let's look at the older generation age's 70 and up they represent only 8.7% and have claimed 23,717 people. So who is risks?

This virus is very well age depending over 20% of all our cases 19 and younger with 17 deaths in almost 2 years. Also the chance of seeing medical attention is rare.

Did you know the flu killed 6 kids under the age of 10 in the first few months of 2017 2018 flu season ? Hundreds of kids hospitalized and 48 so sick they needed an ICU.


When the average age is in its mid 50s to seek medical attention how is this effecting a 15 year old healthy kid the risk is rare.

I'm not saying this virus is not real real I'm saying it's age dependent. I am not saying the flu is worse but for some yes it is for others no it's not.

Ps when the ICU and hospital is filled and the average age is 61 how is the unvaccinated that's the problem ? Oh yeah because only around 70 % of people age 50 and up vaccinated.

It's not the hundreds of thousands of young healthy people who are unvaccinated that are the problem filling up these ICU. It's a small amount that is unvaccinated that is being used to push the vaccine agenda.

Again we are being mislead by the small percentage of the unvaccinated that are at a higher risk of being hospitalized.

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That's the problem age is key I'm 39 and know many that said it was really nasty. My 2 oldest kids 22 and 17 know many that have had tested positive and many of them had very little symptoms and actually said it's nothing. My step dad said he almost died he is over weight and 62 my mom has diabetes, heart issues a pase maker and stints throughout her she ok . If it's what I had December 2019 it was bad lasted weeks and felt like crap on an off spitting big chunks for 2 months.

A 10 year old compared to àn 80 year old has a 10 thousand chance less of a serious outcome. While the 80 year old is 10 thousand time more at risk of developing severe covid and death. Those are just facts.

There is less than 1 percent of children vaxxed and there is very little chance they will need medical attention let alone see an ICU . In fact the regular flu put more kids in the ICU and had way more death's in the last few months of 2017 then all 2020 from covid. Most of the younger people from my kids ages they are ok not going to the hospital and say it's not so bad. My kids know many many people who has had covid recovered from covid 19 and knows zero deaths or hospital visits. However they both know several kids who have died from other causes like bad accidents.

More teenagers are vaccinated compared to the 20 to 39 age groups. I'm guessing it's because they wanted to go to the movies and was pushed into getting it. My 17 year old was almost pushed this way to do something she enjoyed. I also know many more young teens that got it just to go into a restaurant and eat.

Here is a little break down from stats Canada.
56.6 % of our total cases in almost 2 years has resulted in 285 death's this group is 0 to 39 ages . I'm 39 am I at a high risk of death when they inflated these 285 death's? No probably not since thousands more in the that age group have died from opioids almost 20x more probably more now .

Then let's look at the older generation age's 70 and up they represent only 8.7% and have claimed 23,717 people. So who is risks?

This virus is very well age depending over 20% of all our cases 19 and younger with 17 deaths in almost 2 years. Also the chance of seeing medical attention is rare.

Did you know the flu killed 6 kids under the age of 10 in the first few months of 2017 2018 flu season ? Hundreds of kids hospitalized and 48 so sick they needed an ICU.


When the average age is in its mid 50s to seek medical attention how is this effecting a 15 year old healthy kid the risk is rare.

I'm not saying this virus is not real real I'm saying it's age dependent. I am not saying the flu is worse but for some yes it is for others no it's not.

Ps when the ICU and hospital is filled and the average age is 61 how is the unvaccinated that's the problem ? Oh yeah because only around 70 % of people age 50 and up vaccinated.

It's not the hundreds of thousands of young healthy people who are unvaccinated that are the problem filling up these ICU. It's a small amount that is unvaccinated that is being used to push the vaccine agenda.

Again we are being mislead by the small percentage of the unvaccinated that are at a higher risk of being hospitalized.

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Lots of people still keeping the events out doors. The weather has been nice enough to keep it out doors.
Most events we did this year only had about 30 more people than last year on average. A few big ones though lol.

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Well, I guess we'll see in about 2 to 3 weeks who is right ... whether the vaccine works or not, because
I've heard from many here, the hospitallizations and COVID infection rates will go through the roof with the colder weather.
By colder, let's make sure we understand ... the optimal temperatures for COVID transmission is 5'C to 14'C ... we have been
smack dab in the middle of that for 2 to 3 weeks now.

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Well, I guess we'll see in about 2 to 3 weeks who is right ... whether the vaccine works or not, because
I've heard from many here, the hospitallizations and COVID infection rates will go through the roof with the colder weather.
By colder, let's make sure we understand ... the optimal temperatures for COVID transmission is 5'C to 14'C ... we have been
smack dab in the middle of that for 2 to 3 weeks now.

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Herd immunity has already been reached through vaccination, not to mention natural immunity. Of course the numbers should lower this flu season.
What many fail to grasp is influenza still makes its rounds during its season. It didn't just magically disappear when covid showed its face 2 years ago.
People need to learn to live with it and not live in fear..cheers

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Herd immunity has already been reached through vaccination, not to mention natural immunity. Of course the numbers should lower this flu season.

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yea with over 90% fully vaccinated it's impossible to become 'overwhelmed'...not enough un-vaccinated, when you exclude those who have had the virus and are natural immune, left to make a ripple.

A classic example of the unvaccinated
New Brunswick had 60 cases 48 percent unvaccinated 0 people in the hospital under 19.

Just in 2 regions young people make a third or 20 of the cases with zero in hospital yet probably the majority unvaccinated.

Just 2 regions

Regional breakdown of new cases

The 27 new cases in Zone 1 (Moncton region) are as follows:

· 16 people 19 and under;

· two people 20-29;

· four people 30-39;

· two people 40-49;

· a person 50-59; and

· two people 60-69.

Twenty cases are under investigation and seven are contacts of previously confirmed cases.

The 10 new cases in Zone 2 (Saint John region) are as follows:

· four people 19 and under;

· a person 20-29;

· a person 30-39;

· two people 40-49; and

· two people 50-59.

Mind you most of the hospital is from the unvaccinated just a small amount of the unvaccinated population will take the heat for all the unvaccinated.

About half the population or could be more in the age's 19 an under could make up the majority of unvaccinated. Only kids 12 to 19 have vaccines. But they are not the ones flooding the hospital or even in the hospital.



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Herd immunity has already been reached through vaccination, not to mention natural immunity. Of course the numbers should lower this flu season.
What many fail to grasp is influenza still makes its rounds during its season. It didn't just magically disappear when covid showed its face 2 years ago.
People need to learn to live with it and not live in fear..cheers

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So, are you saying the vaccine works?

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Originally Posted by MikePal

yea with over 90% fully vaccinated it's impossible to become 'overwhelmed'...not enough un-vaccinated, when you exclude those who have had the virus and are natural immune, left to make a ripple.

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Wow, do you guys not realize you're actually admitting the vaccine works, when you make these statements?

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Originally Posted by MarkB

So, are you saying the vaccine works?

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If trudeau has tens of millions booster shots ordered for the next few years, draw your own conclusions.
If our healthcare chooses to not test the vaccinated, how many vaccinated will test positive...cheers

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

If trudeau has tens of millions booster shots ordered for the next few years, draw your own conclusions.
If our healthcare chooses to not test the vaccinated, how many vaccinated will test positive...cheers

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They are already here those are for next year. Like Mike said there is 20 million doses sitting in fridges. They won't expire .

Those are the boosters it's the same shot as first and second now the third shots.

I heard you can get a booster of mnra after 28 days of the second AstraZeneca.

Anyone over 70 , health care workers and indigenous peoples who received a second dose 6 months ago can now book an appointment for a booster.
The new top doc said that it will give good short term protection against infection.


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Theresa Long MD, MPH, FS Opinion on Vaccines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8erdcI-rsk8

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

If trudeau has tens of millions booster shots ordered for the next few years, draw your own conclusions.
If our healthcare chooses to not test the vaccinated, how many vaccinated will test positive...cheers

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These are your words:

"Herd immunity has already been reached through vaccination"

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Originally Posted by impact

Theresa Long MD, MPH, FS Opinion on Vaccines

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Nice to hear some truth from a professional on the inside..shes' right...those that are flying the plane are NOT fight to fly.
Good find..thanks!!