Case counts rising ..more Breakthrough cases

I found it interesting that for the past few weeks the MSM has virtually stopped using the comparison numbers between un-vaxxed and fully vaxxed when reporting daily Case counts...why is that ??

from Nov 11th :

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The Ministry of Health said 334 of Thursday’s cases involved unvaccinated people, 18 involved people with one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, 245 involved fully-vaccinated people and 45 were in people with unknown vaccination status.

Unvaccinated and partially vaccinated infections made up 55 per cent of Thursday’s tally despite forming only 22 per cent of Ontario’s population.

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from: https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-re...aths-1.5661622

So that means, almost 1/2 of all new positive cases reported in Ontario are with FULLY vaccinated people. Just under 50% (when you count partial vaccinated).

Yet they continue to flash their QR codes and gain access to sit on Aircraft, in movie theatres and large gatherings..spreading the virus. No wonder case counts are climbing again.

Lets see that pictorially:https://i.imgur.com/391Fy2ul.jpg

And then there this:

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Premier Doug Ford said he believes that the ‘vast majority’ of Ontarians are complying with the COVID-19 vaccine passport protocols amid reports of counterfeit documents.

Speaking at a news conference in Caledon, Ont. on Wednesday, Ford said that nowadays “you can duplicate or fraudulently print anything you want” and that his government has been leaning on individual business owners to watch out for fakes.

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So fake Vaccine passport documents are circulating..and the only solution the Government has is to tell business owners they should "watch out for them"....so some poor kid making $15/hr is supposed to study your Health Documents and determine its a Fake ...HaHa.

"Dance band on the Titanic
Sing "Nearer, my God, to Thee"
The iceberg's on the starboard bow
Won't you dance with me".....HaHa..

And then there is this freedom of information document.
"In a response to a attorney’s FOIA request, US CDC admits that it has no record of an unvaccinated person spreading COVID after recovering from COVID."

https://i.imgur.com/vgJKQoo.jpg

Attachment 42638

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Included in those stats are school kids who are testing positive,none of whom are vaccinated. I wish the MSM would clarify how they arrive at the stats they're reporting on. Like all things in the media,you can write volumes on what they don't tell you.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Included in those stats are school kids who are testing positive,none of whom are vaccinated.

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That's why the numbers in the unvaccinated column are higher than they should be...remove them and the number of the fully vaccinated is a higher percentage of the whole...probably over 50%..

Kids with the virus count...they are probably the worst spreaders of the virus...random blood tests of that age group found close to 40% of kids have already had the virus and were immune.

The vast majority at this hospital at fully/partially vaccinated: 33 out of 36 !!

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Most RIH outbreak patients vaccinated, with majority of cases mild
Of the 36 patients who have tested positive in the four concurrent COVID-19 outbreaks at Royal Inland Hospital, 31 were fully immunized, two were partially immunized and three were not vaccinated. There have been three deaths

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Fully immunized means 2 or 3 jabs now?

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So what's the solution.
All I hear are complaints.

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Originally Posted by SongDog

Fully immunized means 2 or 3 jabs now?

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Soon
Boris Johnson just said if you don't get the 3rd you will be unvaccinated.





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Originally Posted by MikePal

I found it interesting that for the past few weeks the MSM has virtually stopped using the comparison numbers between un-vaxxed and fully vaxxed when reporting daily Case counts...why is that ??

from Nov 11th :



from: https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-re...aths-1.5661622

So that means, almost 1/2 of all new positive cases reported in Ontario are with FULLY vaccinated people. Just under 50% (when you count partial vaccinated).

Yet they continue to flash their QR codes and gain access to sit on Aircraft, in movie theatres and large gatherings..spreading the virus. No wonder case counts are climbing again.

Lets see that pictorially:https://i.imgur.com/391Fy2ul.jpg

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Yawn ... who cares. You keep harping on the same BS argument.
As more and more people get the vaccine ... more and more that get infected will be vaccinated people.
ALL that matter is how sick they get. If they got COVID and it's nothing more than the sniffles, because the vaccine
is protecting them ... it's doing EXACTLY as it was designed to do.

Stop spreading fear about the vaccine.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

The vast majority at this hospital at fully/partially vaccinated: 33 out of 36 !!

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Yeah, what would the numbers be if no one was vaccinated there? Probably like 500 to 1000 in hospital.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

ALL that matter is how sick they get. If they got COVID and it's nothing more than the sniffles, because the vaccine is protecting them ...

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Then why the vilification of those who choose not to get the vaccine....96% of those that got Covid (pre vaccine) didn't get anymore than sick than the "sniffles"....

As of 16th Nov..the total Hospitalization in Onatrio......

Unvaccinated 102
Partially vaccinated 17
Fully vaccinated 73

Tell me again how the Vaccine is working keeping people from getting seriously sick....pretty close to 50/50 with or without the vaccine.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Yawn ... who cares. You keep harping on the same BS argument.
As more and more people get the vaccine ... more and more that get infected will be vaccinated people.
ALL that matter is how sick they get. If they got COVID and it's nothing more than the sniffles, because the vaccine
is protecting them ... it's doing EXACTLY as it was designed to do.

Stop spreading fear about the vaccine.

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It seems like the goalposts are shifting with your arguments.

1a) is it about ICU overloading? That's our crappy healthcare system due to mismanagement of funds, mass immigration and horrible conditions in long term care facilities.
b) the majority of people who died with covid were elderly people in long term care homes...

2) is it about serious dangers from covid? See point #1b.

The vast majority of people who get covid only get the sniffles. The virus has a 99.97% survival rate. It is not a pandemic by any means.

No one is spreading fear except for the msm, corrupt politicians and their health 'experts' who are so deep into conflicts of interest with big pharma. The vaccine is neither safe nor effective.

'Most vaccinated' place on Earth cancels Christmas

Gibraltar has gone Scrooge early on official Christmas events and ‘strongly’ discouraged people from hosting private gatherings for four weeks, amid a surge in Covid-19 cases.

The Rock’s entire eligible population is vaccinated, according to govt data.

“The drastic increase in the numbers of people testing positive for Covid-19 in recent days is a stark reminder that the virus is still very prevalent in our community and that it is the responsibility of us all to take every reasonable precaution to protect ourselves and our loved ones,” the Health Minister said in a statement.

The ‘rona that stole Christmas.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Yawn ... who cares. You keep harping on the same BS argument.
As more and more people get the vaccine ... more and more that get infected will be vaccinated people.
ALL that matter is how sick they get. If they got COVID and it's nothing more than the sniffles, because the vaccine
is protecting them ... it's doing EXACTLY as it was designed to do.

Stop spreading fear about the vaccine.

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Says who, where are you getting your information.

https://brightlightnews.com/49-of-b-...ly-vaccinated/

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Then why the vilification of those who choose not to get the vaccine....96% of those that got Covid (pre vaccine) didn't get anymore than sick than the "sniffles"....

As of 16th Nov..the total Hospitalization in Onatrio......

Unvaccinated 102
Partially vaccinated 17
Fully vaccinated 73

Tell me again how the Vaccine is working keeping people from getting seriously sick....pretty close to 50/50 with or without the vaccine.

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People who are not fully vaccinated comprise 62% of non-ICU hospital admissions and 78% of ICU admissions but less than 15% of the eligible population.

Fully vaccinated people represent 38% of non-ICU hospital admissions and 22% of ICU admissions but represent 86% of the eligible population.

If the vaccines weren't working then the number of vaccinated people in hospitals and ICUs should outnumber the unvaccinated by at least 5 to 1.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

Stats all derived from flawed PCR testing in order for the same proponents to continually push the agenda and narrative.
Why get vaxxed if you will get influenza PLUS risk serious side effects.
Because someone on TV with links to Big Pharma told you so?

"WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed . The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology."

"WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity."

"Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information."

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Then why the vilification of those who choose not to get the vaccine....96% of those that got Covid (pre vaccine) didn't get anymore than sick than the "sniffles"....

As of 16th Nov..the total Hospitalization in Onatrio......

Unvaccinated 102
Partially vaccinated 17
Fully vaccinated 73

Tell me again how the Vaccine is working keeping people from getting seriously sick....pretty close to 50/50 with or without the vaccine.

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Mike, stop generalizing. That's probably you're #1 problem ... you don't want to be vilified ... I don't want to be vilified.
You seem to talk like every pro-vaxxer is on the opposite side of a war (as others do here). It's not like a light switch, on and off.
There is a spectrum of beliefs ... I think I, for example, am more balanced.

I do not vilify those who don't get the vaccine ... I've stated NUMEROUS times that I believe it should be a choice, everyone is facing different scenarios.
In terms of the reasons for not choosing, I also believe people have a right to privacy. But, when someone openly gives me a BS reason ... like it's to intentionally
cut the world's population in half ... I'm gonna call that out ... because it's utter nonsense ... and should be reserved for Hollywood movies only.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

It seems like the goalposts are shifting with your arguments.

1a) is it about ICU overloading? That's our crappy healthcare system due to mismanagement of funds, mass immigration and horrible conditions in long term care facilities.
b) the majority of people who died with covid were elderly people in long term care homes...

2) is it about serious dangers from covid? See point #1b.

The vast majority of people who get covid only get the sniffles. The virus has a 99.97% survival rate. It is not a pandemic by any means.

No one is spreading fear except for the msm, corrupt politicians and their health 'experts' who are so deep into conflicts of interest with big pharma. The vaccine is neither safe nor effective.

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I've never moved the goal posts, I don't know why you'd say that.
I've ALWAYS maintained three simple points:

(1) taking the vaccine should be a choice.
(2) COVID is not "just a flu", it is nasty ... and can be dangerous, yes, mostly to elderly, but I know enough 20 year olds that got really sick too (fit hockey players)
(3) it's ALL about controlling the ICU capacity ... blame whatever you want for our limited capacity ... it won't change our situation ... we have to deal with it. And the vaccine seems to be a very effective measure to control it. Without it, we would be completely saturated ... just compare a year ago (with and without vaccine, and note a year ago we were in lockdown, but now, free like birds ... so why are the numbers lower??).

So please do not put words in my mouth, or twist what I say ... I have always had a firm stance on the above ... and by the way, the vaccine is effective ... it's proven over and over, I find people (on both sides) just don't believe the numbers if it doesn't suit their argument (which is why I talk to my doctor friends who are actually on seen, and definitely NOT muffled by anyone). The vaccine has it's side effects ... but I only know 1 person over hundreds if not thousands that have taken the vaccine, that had a reaction ...

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Says who, where are you getting your information.

https://brightlightnews.com/49-of-b-...ly-vaccinated/

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HAHAAHHAHAHH ... LOL, this is hilarious ... another twist of info to suit your argument ... what a joke ... here's the FULL TRUTH, not the partial, out of context truth.
Do your research dude ...

"A majority of those dying are 80 years of age and older, the province said. Of the vaccinated, 47 of the 82 deaths in October are in that age group. Among the unvaccinated group, 23 of the 89 deaths were 80-plus."

So 70 of the 89 were vaccinated +80 year olds ... wow.

STOP SPREADING THE FEAR!

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Originally Posted by impact

Stats all derived from flawed PCR testing in order for the same proponents to continually push the agenda and narrative.
Why get vaxxed if you will get influenza PLUS risk serious side effects.
Because someone on TV with links to Big Pharma told you so?

"WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed . The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology."

"WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity."

"Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information."

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05

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Didn't you say our PM Turdeau should have been in jail by now?

The agenda, the agenda ... I've been hearing it for almost two years now ...

How about, it's life ... crap happens, we deal with it. Agenda ... sure .... politics, money, etc. Same crap we deal with every day ... nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

HAHAAHHAHAHH ... LOL, this is hilarious ... another twist of info to suit your argument ... what a joke ... here's the FULL TRUTH, not the partial, out of context truth.
Do your research dude ...

"A majority of those dying are 80 years of age and older, the province said. Of the vaccinated, 47 of the 82 deaths in October are in that age group. Among the unvaccinated group, 23 of the 89 deaths were 80-plus."

So 70 of the 89 were vaccinated +80 year olds ... wow.

STOP SPREADING THE FEAR!

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More than just sniffles in healthy athletes. Reality check

https://www.ute.com/video/QjgrB4WPbjK0/

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Originally Posted by MarkB

I've never moved the goal posts, I don't know why you'd say that.
I've ALWAYS maintained three simple points:

(1) taking the vaccine should be a choice.
(2) COVID is not "just a flu", it is nasty ... and can be dangerous, yes, mostly to elderly, but I know enough 20 year olds that got really sick too (fit hockey players)
(3) it's ALL about controlling the ICU capacity ... blame whatever you want for our limited capacity ... it won't change our situation ... we have to deal with it. And the vaccine seems to be a very effective measure to control it. Without it, we would be completely saturated ... just compare a year ago (with and without vaccine, and note a year ago we were in lockdown, but now, free like birds ... so why are the numbers lower??).

So please do not put words in my mouth, or twist what I say ... I have always had a firm stance on the above ... and by the way, the vaccine is effective ... it's proven over and over, I find people (on both sides) just don't believe the numbers if it doesn't suit their argument (which is why I talk to my doctor friends who are actually on seen, and definitely NOT muffled by anyone). The vaccine has it's side effects ... but I only know 1 person over hundreds if not thousands that have taken the vaccine, that had a reaction ...

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Here is the thing. You are not free as a bird like you claim. You signed a contract with the devil himself.
Soon they will announce that the booster is required to be considered fully vaccinated. Unless you do and whether you agree with it or not or dare I even suggest that you read the list of ingredients on the vial you will be considered unvaxxed just like everyone else.

Is that what you signed up for?