N.S. RCMP inquiry

Saw just a bit of a recap, the Russia/Ukraine invasion has rightfully taken center stage. The biggest take so far for me is that the police knew at about 10pm that night the name of the suspect and that he was dressed as and driving an RCMP replica vehicle.
In what world is this information not given out to the public as an alert so they are not strolling down country roads 8 hours later blissfully unaware that an unbalanced and heavily armed individual is indiscriminately killing people?
The ball was not dropped, it was deflated and hidden by the police.
They kept this info secret not to protect the public, but to protect their own from being shot by private citizens protecting themselves when the RCMP have now proved they would not.
This info should have been released immediately as countless lives would have been saved.
All the RCMP had to do was stay as teams of 2 as the shooter/ arsonist was a known soloist, problem solved.
I have lost a lot of faith in the RCMP over the last few years from this and other failures, and this is a huge nail in their coffin.
John

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

Saw just a bit of a recap, the Russia/Ukraine invasion has rightfully taken center stage. The biggest take so far for me is that the police knew at about 10pm that night the name of the suspect and that he was dressed as and driving an RCMP replica vehicle.
In what world is this information not given out to the public as an alert so they are not strolling down country roads 8 hours later blissfully unaware that an unbalanced and heavily armed individual is indiscriminately killing people?
The ball was not dropped, it was deflated and hidden by the police.
They kept this info secret not to protect the public, but to protect their own from being shot by private citizens protecting themselves when the RCMP have now proved they would not.
This info should have been released immediately as countless lives would have been saved.
All the RCMP had to do was stay as teams of 2 as the shooter/ arsonist was a known soloist, problem solved.
I have lost a lot of faith in the RCMP over the last few years from this and other failures, and this is a huge nail in their coffin.
John

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I'm prepared to wait for the results of the inquiry before leaping to any conclusions and rushing to judgement. I will also not condemn an entire group for the actions of a few. That's no different than blaming all gun owners when there's a mass shooting. It's what knee-jerk liberals do.

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

Saw just a bit of a recap, the Russia/Ukraine invasion has rightfully taken center stage. The biggest take so far for me is that the police knew at about 10pm that night the name of the suspect and that he was dressed as and driving an RCMP replica vehicle.
In what world is this information not given out to the public as an alert so they are not strolling down country roads 8 hours later blissfully unaware that an unbalanced and heavily armed individual is indiscriminately killing people?
The ball was not dropped, it was deflated and hidden by the police.
They kept this info secret not to protect the public, but to protect their own from being shot by private citizens protecting themselves when the RCMP have now proved they would not.
This info should have been released immediately as countless lives would have been saved.
All the RCMP had to do was stay as teams of 2 as the shooter/ arsonist was a known soloist, problem solved.
I have lost a lot of faith in the RCMP over the last few years from this and other failures, and this is a huge nail in their coffin.
John

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I read the suspect was identified by 3 different callers and the police were 100 yards away at one time and let him carry on. https://globalnews.ca/news/8650237/n...fb4rbkSguoGny0

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

I'm prepared to wait for the results of the inquiry before leaping to any conclusions and rushing to judgement. I will also not condemn an entire group for the actions of a few. That's no different than blaming all gun owners when there's a mass shooting. It's what knee-jerk liberals do.

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They are sure as heck going to gloss over the fact that they knew he had guns without a license and knew he was building a replica police car, that would not fit their boss' narrative.

The solution is to lobby your local politician(s) for more funding directed to the police for training and resources.

While I understand there is a legal difference between the police and military, (more) cross training with the two functions, and sourcing staff from the military would also help. I wore both green and blue uniforms and can see there is a difference.

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Originally Posted by Marker

The solution is to lobby your local politician(s) for more funding directed to the police for training and resources.

While I understand there is a legal difference between the police and military, (more) cross training with the two functions, and sourcing staff from the military would also help. I wore both green and blue uniforms and can see there is a difference.

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How would that help?

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Originally Posted by GloHole

How would that help?

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In regards to funding, like any other service or business, if you want better results pay more money for it. The police are tasked to do a very difficult task with extremely limited funding, most of which is out of sight to Joe public. There is a lot more policing going on in communities than what the media shows.

In regards to cross training and hiring practices, the same funding and resources can serve to train both functions thereby delivering a better response to unpredictable events like NS shooting.

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Originally Posted by Marker

In regards to funding, like any other service or business, if you want better results pay more money for it. The police are tasked to do a very difficult task with extremely limited funding, most of which is out of sight to Joe public. There is a lot more policing going on in communities than what the media shows.

In regards to cross training and hiring practices, the same funding and resources can serve to train both functions thereby delivering a better response to unpredictable events like NS shooting.

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So the R.C.M.P. already knew that the suspect was building a police car from their behind the scenes community policing, the suspect was identified by three different callers and was a 100 yards away so they failed to engage because of lack of training and not enough pay?

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Originally Posted by GloHole

So the R.C.M.P. already knew that the suspect was building a police car from their behind the scenes community policing, the suspect was identified by three different callers and was a 100 yards away so they failed to engage because of lack of training and not enough pay?

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While the past cannot be changed, it is my opinion based on prior experience that this situation is a good example for additional resources to be directed to policing in order to create a higher level of responsiveness to a higher level (unknown) threat.

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Originally Posted by Marker

While the past cannot be changed, it is my opinion based on prior experience that this situation is a good example for additional resources to be directed to policing in order to create a higher level of responsiveness to a higher level (unknown) threat.

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Some of the training is right at the very start of the process of acquiring firearms.

The very first line of defense against this type of attack is the scrutiny given to an applicant for a firearm's license or for a re newel.

From what I have read this shooter had been identified as a person of interest or FIP (firearm's interest police) and was probably flagged as such on the RCMP CPIC system.

He had been visited by a RCMP officer on at least one occasion in relation to citizens concerns.

People who are mentally ill can be very hard to pick up by the system and it takes a trained investigator to figure these folks out.

The first line of defense against this type of firearms holder is very weak across Canada and "flagged applicants" should only be investigated by veteran investigators.

This is not happening in most places across the country, giving a RCMP street rookie these flagged files to do a fast investigation is a recipe
for disaster. I know that is most rural area's many firearms applications get a pretty casual look over and the applicant gets their licenses.

In bigger urban area's there used to be good resources to investigate but even today civilians are doing the background checks in some places.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Some of the training is right at the very start of the process of acquiring firearms.

The very first line of defense against this type of attack is the scrutiny given to an applicant for a firearm's license or for a re newel.

From what I have read this shooter had been identified as a person of interest or FIP (firearm's interest police) and was probably flagged as such on the RCMP CPIC system.

He had been visited by a RCMP officer on at least one occasion in relation to citizens concerns.

People who are mentally ill can be very hard to pick up by the system and it takes a trained investigator to figure these folks out.

The first line of defense against this type of firearms holder is very weak across Canada and "flagged applicants" should only be investigated by veteran investigators.

This is not happening in most places across the country, giving a RCMP street rookie these flagged files to do a fast investigation is a recipe
for disaster. I know that is most rural area's many firearms applications get a pretty casual look over and the applicant gets their licenses.

In bigger urban area's there used to be good resources to investigate but even today civilians are doing the background checks in some places.

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Well they did receive numerous complaints about illegal firearms in his possession and did seemingly nothing about it. He was known by police for numerous things but still somehow maintained a clean record.

This whole things stinks of RCMP involvement, maybe an informant, maybe connections, but the average joe would be held for many of the things this guy plead guilty of yet his record was purged every time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53411315

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

Saw just a bit of a recap, the Russia/Ukraine invasion has rightfully taken center stage. The biggest take so far for me is that the police knew at about 10pm that night the name of the suspect and that he was dressed as and driving an RCMP replica vehicle.
In what world is this information not given out to the public as an alert so they are not strolling down country roads 8 hours later blissfully unaware that an unbalanced and heavily armed individual is indiscriminately killing people?
The ball was not dropped, it was deflated and hidden by the police.
They kept this info secret not to protect the public, but to protect their own from being shot by private citizens protecting themselves when the RCMP have now proved they would not.
This info should have been released immediately as countless lives would have been saved.
All the RCMP had to do was stay as teams of 2 as the shooter/ arsonist was a known soloist, problem solved.
I have lost a lot of faith in the RCMP over the last few years from this and other failures, and this is a huge nail in their coffin.
John

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I agree. Spoke to a local copper friend of mine about this, and how they dropped the ball big time. No emergency alert, just a few tweets with a huge gap in between. He got really offended and went to bat for the RCMP. I think he was afraid to say anything critical in case it could have been 'on the record' somehow seeing as he is still active duty.

A cop almost killed my friend with his cruiser and after an SIU investigation nothing happened.

I support law enforcement as they have a dangerous and respectable job, but there needs to be accountability for instances like this. It erodes public trust.

Shoot a firehall up, shoot a gas thief, shoot a gunsmith at his workplace, nothing to see here, move along citizen we know what we want to do and will do it with impunity our way without retribution from you the weak-kneed public.
John

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

Shoot a firehall up, shoot a gas thief, shoot a gunsmith at his workplace, nothing to see here, move along citizen we know what we want to do and will do it with impunity our way without retribution from you the weak-kneed public.
John

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Not exactly, the enquiry just began so we will hear about the firehall incident, the SIU is investigating the gunsmith incident. Perhaps you need to be a little more patient, just pretend your on the phone to a certain phone company trying to get a rebate.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Not exactly, the enquiry just began so we will hear about the firehall incident, the SIU is investigating the gunsmith incident. Perhaps you need to be a little more patient, just pretend your on the phone to a certain phone company trying to get a rebate.

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.Pretty sure both incidents have already been cleared with no charges recommended, but I could be wrong.
John