Nuisance permit regulations?

A farmer who's property I hunt on has a nuisance permit for geese on one of his corn fields and is allowed to cull them year round as a result. He's willing to allow me to take geese on this property and give me a copy of the permit. But my question is if I am not the property owner am I allowed to participate in the cull? Are there regulations on keeping meat if so?
I'll be calling the MNR about this but I'm wondering if anyone had experience with this since I'm not confident in the MNR giving me a straight answer.

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

A farmer who's property I hunt on has a nuisance permit for geese on one of his corn fields and is allowed to cull them year round as a result. He's willing to allow me to take geese on this property and give me a copy of the permit. But my question is if I am not the property owner am I allowed to participate in the cull? Are there regulations on keeping meat if so?
I'll be calling the MNR about this but I'm wondering if anyone had experience with this since I'm not confident in the MNR giving me a straight answer.

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Why don't you use the ASK A CO feature site.

https://oodmag.com/category/qa/ask-a-co/

It’s best to check with either Can. Wildlife Services or MNR. Years ago, I shot geese under the authority of a nuisance permit as an agent. At that time, we couldn’t use the birds shot, but I think that has changed.

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

A farmer who's property I hunt on has a nuisance permit for geese on one of his corn fields and is allowed to cull them year round as a result. He's willing to allow me to take geese on this property and give me a copy of the permit. But my question is if I am not the property owner am I allowed to participate in the cull? Are there regulations on keeping meat if so?
I'll be calling the MNR about this but I'm wondering if anyone had experience with this since I'm not confident in the MNR giving me a straight answer.

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The permit should contain the details if not should have the name and contact info of who signed off on it. Your acting as an agent so should be good only thing hate to shoot them and not be able to use them.

From what I've heard, you cant utilized the meat. I don't know this for fact, its just something I've heard. Its such a waste if you cant use the meat.

Once you have crossed your t's and dotted your i's and its all legal and above board whether you can keep the meat or not go enjoy yourself you are preforming a great service to the land owner by saving crops, time and wasted money. Think of it as shooting clay pigeons with out having to buy the clays and it will also be good wing shooting practice for the next season when you can keep the birds if you're unable to keep them now. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Why don't you use the ASK A CO feature site.

https://oodmag.com/category/qa/ask-a-co/

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Probably should look into the permit first, geese are a migratory bird and therefore are outside of the COs wheelhouse, not that they may not know but it is an obscure thing for most.

You can become an agent of the farmer, you will be listed by name as such on the application. Keep the permit on you and follow the rules. Some places you cannot take the birds, some you can, some you have to dispose of on the farm, etc, etc, they are not all the same.

The application should have contact info on it, at least when I was an agent it did but that was years ago now and things have probably changed some.

Good luck, let me tell you, it is weird having a rifle for groundhogs and a 12ga with steel shot both in your vehicle ready as you go for a drive past your buddies place in July.

Ask your local co I remember buddy saying he got geese permit during tomato season and he shot alot of birds found out later permit was for one or two to send them on their way oops

Ok so update. I called the local MNR office and they told me that for migratory nuisance the Canadian wildlife service handles that. I left a message at the ontario location and will try to get a hold of them today. MNR said you cannot keep meat of nuisance animals but I'm wondering if the wildlife service has different regulations on that.

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

Ok so update. I called the local MNR office and they told me that for migratory nuisance the Canadian wildlife service handles that. I left a message at the ontario location and will try to get a hold of them today. MNR said you cannot keep meat of nuisance animals but I'm wondering if the wildlife service has different regulations on that.

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Yeah and they’ll give you a list of how to harass them. Ballon’s visual predictors decoy. Using chase dogs blah blah. Only if farmer is loosing tomatoes or pepper crop to them will they let you shoot
Good luck

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

Ok so update. I called the local MNR office and they told me that for migratory nuisance the Canadian wildlife service handles that. I left a message at the ontario location and will try to get a hold of them today. MNR said you cannot keep meat of nuisance animals but I'm wondering if the wildlife service has different regulations on that.

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This is exactly why I said that the MNR will not know.

The permit I have here, a few years old, states that I can keep the meat from the geese that I shoot on that permit, on those listed properties.

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Originally Posted by js4fn

Yeah and they’ll give you a list of how to harass them. Ballon’s visual predictors decoy. Using chase dogs blah blah. Only if farmer is loosing tomatoes or pepper crop to them will they let you shoot
Good luck

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Loss or winter wheat, destruction of hay crops, eating corn seed, lots of reason why you can kill them.

Yes, I said kill them, with a permit.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Loss or winter wheat, destruction of hay crops, eating corn seed, lots of reason why you can kill them.

Yes, I said kill them, with a permit.

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They rather cut you a $200 check for losses first

Owner crying big difference then someone else just saying

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Originally Posted by js4fn

Yeah and they’ll give you a list of how to harass them. Ballon’s visual predictors decoy. Using chase dogs blah blah. Only if farmer is loosing tomatoes or pepper crop to them will they let you shoot
Good luck

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This guy has a permit to kill them. It's a corn field. He's lost a couple of acres of corn just from one flock that passes by which is about $3000 in losses, if I remember correctly what he said.

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Originally Posted by Fox

This is exactly why I said that the MNR will not know.

The permit I have here, a few years old, states that I can keep the meat from the geese that I shoot on that permit, on those listed properties.

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Thanks! That makes me more hopeful. I want to help him out but at the same time I'm hesitant shooting a good eating animal if I cannot use the meat. I'm going to double check with wildlife service though.

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Originally Posted by Fox

This is exactly why I said that the MNR will not know.

The permit I have here, a few years old, states that I can keep the meat from the geese that I shoot on that permit, on those listed properties.

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Agreed! I was an agent for a local airport, to get rid of deer that frequented the property. That permit said the deer had to be used, and not wasted.

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

Thanks! That makes me more hopeful. I want to help him out but at the same time I'm hesitant shooting a good eating animal if I cannot use the meat. I'm going to double check with wildlife service though.

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Could always make it easy on you. Periodically pass by fire off some shots to scare the birds off that should make the farmer happy come the early season/fall hammer them as would be able to decoy them.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Could always make it easy on you. Periodically pass by fire off some shots to scare the birds off that should make the farmer happy come the early season/fall hammer them as would be able to decoy them.

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Only issue is he lives a solid 1.5hr drive from me. With gas prices if I'm not staying a couple days then it's not worth it. However his house is literally next door to a crown land parcel and he has an alfalfa field out back. I really got insanely lucky with this property owner lol.

Elgin county ?

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Originally Posted by js4fn

Elgin county ?

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Lambton.

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Originally Posted by js4fn

They rather cut you a $200 check for losses first

Owner crying big difference then someone else just saying

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Have you been involved in a nuisance migratory bird permit? If not then please just stop.

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

Thanks! That makes me more hopeful. I want to help him out but at the same time I'm hesitant shooting a good eating animal if I cannot use the meat. I'm going to double check with wildlife service though.

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You have to be on the permit, named on the permit, you cannot just go there and shoot the birds that they complain about, you have to be named on the actual permit and keep a copy with you while you are out there harassing them.

I know that some people have said to just drive by and shoot over their heads to scare them, that is actually considered hunting by the definition, so be careful there.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Have you been involved in a nuisance migratory bird permit? If not then please just stop.

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Before you were even born

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Originally Posted by js4fn

Before you were even born

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Ok, how recently have you been involved with this?

Here is the email back from them when I asked about being added.

Good morning Rodney,



The “farmer” would have to add you as a nominee on his permit for you to be able to perform any activities he has on his permit. The “farmer” can contact us with his permit number stating that he would like to add a nominee and give you name and phone number.



If you have any other questions please don’t hesitate to contact us back. Thank you.



Lisa Geyer

Permits Officer

Canadian Wildlife Service

867 Lakeshore Road

Burlington, Ontario L7S 1A1

Tel: 905-336-4464

Fax: 905-336-4587

[email protected]

Here are the links to the forms, FAQ and best practices.

Application Form - http://www.ec.gc.ca/nature/default.a...n&n=677AEBD4-1

Frequently Asked Questions - http://www.ec.gc.ca/mbc-com/default....n&n=98A918B1-1

Best Practice Guidelines - http://www.ec.gc.ca/mbc-com/default....n&n=6D2B893B-1

This was done in 2016, I have not been involved since, only because we had a baby and I no longer have time.

This farm owns 1600 acres, they used to get permits for deer as well during the summer months and could assign any agent they wanted, they just had to call and inform the above group of who they wanted and that person had to meet the requirements.

Depending on the type of loses the methods can change, from oiling eggs so they do not hatch, so shooting, so disrupting, etc.

You stated that you did this before I was even born, so in 40 years things probably have changed a little bit, I would not doubt that in the last 6 they have also changed.

Called Canadian wildife service in North York dozens of times over the last 3 days and, left a few voicemails, and a few emails. Zero response and nobody has even answered the phone...

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

Called Canadian wildife service in North York dozens of times over the last 3 days and, left a few voicemails, and a few emails. Zero response and nobody has even answered the phone...

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Patience is a virtue. Are you using the contact info on the permit? Sometimes these things just takes time
That reminds me better submit my application to release for the fall

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

Called Canadian wildife service in North York dozens of times over the last 3 days and, left a few voicemails, and a few emails. Zero response and nobody has even answered the phone...

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Probably working from home… in their underwear.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Patience is a virtue. Are you using the contact info on the permit? Sometimes these things just takes time
That reminds me better submit my application to release for the fall

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

Probably working from home… in their underwear.

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Pretty much the norm for federal office workers. It's funny because you can literally tell they're hanging up because it's never the same amount of rings lmao.

Unfortunately didn't get a chance to get a copy of the permit yet. He lives about 160km from me and safe to say he's not super familiar with scanning, email attachments etc.