Bill C-71 Restrictions Coming Into Effect

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May 5th, 2022, 06:58 PM
trky chsr

Bill C-71 Restrictions Coming Into Effect
Don't know what this will do to gun shows, it's taking several hours now to get a hold of the CFC.

Bill C-71 Restrictions Start This Month on Buying/Selling ‘Non-Restricted’ Guns

Source: Canada Gun News: Week of 2022 May 02

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[COLOR=#000000]TheGunBlog.ca — The Canadian government will start enforcing new restrictions on government-licensed gun owners this month, as the governing Liberal Party continues its political and regulatory attacks against hunters, sport shooters and firearm collectors.

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- The regulations stem from Bill C-71, a law the Liberals passed in 2019.
- The measures take effect on May 18, according to an Orders in Council dated 29 April and published online today.
- They apply only to government-licensed firearm users and businesses.
- The restrictions include:
  1. “Non-Restricted” Firearm Transfers: It will be a crime for any licensed gun owner to buy, sell or give away any “Non-Restricted” rifle or shotgun without explicit permission for the transfer from the Registrar of Firearms in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police - Canadian Firearms Program.
    
    It will require contacting the RCMP to request a reference number for the transaction.
    It applies even to all licence holders, include a spouse who wants to give a rifle or shotgun to their spouse, or a parent who wants to give a rifle or shotgun to their child.
  2. Gun Store Registry: Gun stores will be required to store the personal details of licensed buyers of “Non-Restricted” rifles and shotguns for 20 years, in a violation of personal privacy.
- Other restrictions also kick in, but those are the biggies for most PAL holders and businesses (in my opinion).
May 5th, 2022, 07:50 PM
greatwhite
Since they are not registered how would they know who actually owns those guns?
Quote:
Originally Posted by trky chsr

Don't know what this will do to gun shows, it's taking several hours now to get a hold of the CFC.

Bill C-71 Restrictions Start This Month on Buying/Selling ‘Non-Restricted’ Guns

Source: Canada Gun News: Week of 2022 May 02

[COLOR=#000000]05 May 2022

[COLOR=#000000]TheGunBlog.ca — The Canadian government will start enforcing new restrictions on government-licensed gun owners this month, as the governing Liberal Party continues its political and regulatory attacks against hunters, sport shooters and firearm collectors.

[COLOR=#000000]Details
The regulations stem from Bill C-71, a law the Liberals passed in 2019.
The measures take effect on May 18, according to an Orders in Council dated 29 April and published online today.
They apply only to government-licensed firearm users and businesses.
The restrictions include:

“Non-Restricted” Firearm Transfers: It will be a crime for any licensed gun owner to buy, sell or give away any “Non-Restricted” rifle or shotgun without explicit permission for the transfer from the Registrar of Firearms in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police - Canadian Firearms Program.

It will require contacting the RCMP to request a reference number for the transaction.
It applies even to all licence holders, include a spouse who wants to give a rifle or shotgun to their spouse, or a parent who wants to give a rifle or shotgun to their child.

Gun Store Registry: Gun stores will be required to store the personal details of licensed buyers of “Non-Restricted” rifles and shotguns for 20 years, in a violation of personal privacy.

Other restrictions also kick in, but those are the biggies for most PAL holders and businesses (in my opinion).
May 6th, 2022, 06:29 AM
canthitathing

long-term loans and all happened before this date
May 6th, 2022, 06:32 AM
Terrible_E

That's a bingo!
May 6th, 2022, 09:51 AM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by canthitathing

long-term loans and all happened before this date

Exactly! Who's to say the firearm didn't belong to the person in the first place? Where's the law that says a licensed NR owner can't store a firearm at another licensed NR person's residence? That doesn't constitute a "transfer" by any means. The "new" regulations appear to be nothing but useless word candy. At best (or worst),ir may affect gun shows,but,even that would be negligable.
May 6th, 2022, 04:17 PM
greatwhite

I don't own any firearms gave them to my son and I borrow them to go hunting
May 20th, 2022, 08:48 AM
cramadog2

This true?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLTnHG1q/?k=1
May 20th, 2022, 08:58 AM
greatwhite

Yes.

I am still baffled as to why people use TikTok, it's owned by China.
May 20th, 2022, 09:36 AM
rick_iles

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatwhite

Yes.

I am still baffled as to why people use TikTok, it's owned by China.

Can you post the link to the Reg that makes a gunsmith register a customers gun, in for repairs….it’s not transferred, and it’s not inventory….
May 20th, 2022, 10:11 AM
mosquito
Quote:

Originally Posted by rick_iles

Can you post the link to the Reg that makes a gunsmith register a customers gun, in for repairs….it’s not transferred, and it’s not inventory….

Seems simpler to just post the CSSA review of the new firearm registry, based on the RCMP statement it appears true.

TEAM CSSA eNEWS | May 18, 2022

COMMENTARY

How do the New Firearm Regulations Affect You?

New regulations effective today, May 18, 2022, require licensed firearm sellers to verify the buyer’s Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) and obtain permission from the RCMP Canadian Firearms Centre (CFC) before transferring one or more Non-Restricted firearms to the buyer.
- As of May 18th, 2022, the Seller of a firearm MUST obtain a reference number from the CFC before a firearm is transferred to its buyer.
To obtain this reference number, you must:
- Contact the CFC via 1-800-731-4000, or
- Use the online portal for individuals if you are an individual, or
- Use the online portal for businesses if you are transferring a firearm from a business to another business or to an individual
Both portals will operate 24/7, and are accessible through the RCMP’s Firearms Website:
- Individual Web Services portal
- Business Web Services portal
The transfer Reference Number is valid for 90 days and is valid for all Non-Restricted firearms transferred from the seller to the buyer.

The transferor (the seller) requires a separate transfer Reference Number for each buyer.

The date of transfer or physical possession is the day the transferee (the buyer) takes possession of the firearm from the transferor (the seller) OR the date the transferor places the firearm in possession of a licensed shipping company.

Individual Sellers
Individuals are not required to keep records of sale.[i]

Taking a firearm to a storage place (gun store, gunsmith, etc.) is not a transfer under the new regulations.

Businesses that store firearms must keep a record of all non-restricted firearms in its possession. This is separate and distinct from the transfer record-keeping requirements.

Business Vendors

For mail-order transfers, the buyer must provide the seller with images of both sides of their PAL, along with images of both sides of one other piece of government-issued photo ID.

For businesses, there is no obligation to save the ID images. The business must record the fact that both pieces of ID were seen, correctly identified the buyer, and the validity of the PAL was confirmed by the CFC. This information must be stored for a minimum of 20 years. The government has the option to require a longer period than is currently legislated.

Businesses must give the buyer a record of sale which includes the transferor, transferee, date of transfer, reference number, and the make, model and serial number of the firearm being transferred.

Gun Shows

The web portal operates 24/7, so gun shows will hopefully continue to operate much as they have already, with the added requirement of obtaining a reference number for each transfer made at the gun show through the online portal. An internet connection is required to access the online portal.
- Individual Web Services portal
- Business Web Services portal
The transfer Reference Number is valid for 90 days for all non-restricted firearms transferred from the seller to the buyer.

Once a Transfer Reference Number is Issued

Once a reference number is issued, there is no requirement to notify the CFC that the transfer took place.

For example, in a private sale the proposed buyer provides the required information to the proposed seller, who uses that information to obtain the transfer reference number from the CFC. That reference number remains valid for 90 days between the buyer and seller, even if that specific firearm is not transferred.

Firearm Lending
Section 21 of the Firearms Act states: [ii]

For the purposes of sections 22 to 32, transfer means sell, barter or give.

Section 22 of the Firearms Act states:[iii]
A person may transfer or lend a firearm to an individual only if the person has no reason to believe that the individual

(a) has a mental illness that makes it desirable, in the interests of the safety of that individual or any other person, that the individual not possess a firearm; or

(b) is impaired by alcohol or a drug.

Lending is not considered a transfer by the Firearms Act, therefore a transfer reference number is not required under the new regulations.

Does this mean anti-gun activists will now call for this so-called “loophole” to be closed? Probably, even though lending was intentionally kept out of the definition of “transfer” in the Firearms Act.

Gunsmiths and Storage
Taking a firearm to a gunsmith for repair and/or modification is NOT a transfer under these regulations.

Estate Firearm Sales
For estate firearm sales, it gets a little more complicated because a Possession and Acquisition License is invalidated the moment the individual passes away.

To transfer firearms from an estate to another licensed firearm owner, the executor must call the Canadian Firearm Centre at 1-800-731-4000 and make arrangements through them.

We'll keep you posted as this evolves.

The RCMP’s Notice to Businesses of New Firearm Regulations

Effective May 18, 2022:

(1) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years beginning on the day on which the record is created, keep the following information relating to the business’ possession and disposal of all non-restricted firearms:

(a) the classification of the firearm;
(b) the date and an indication of any business activity related to the possession or the disposal of the firearm, including, if applicable, its purchase, sale, bartering, gifting, consignment, importation, exportation, repair, alteration, deactivation, destruction, manufacture, pawn broking, storage and display;
(c) the firearm’s manufacturer, make, model, type, action, gauge or calibre, barrel length and, in the case of a fixed magazine, magazine capacity;
(d) all serial numbers displayed on the firearm’s frame or receiver;
(e) the name and address of the individual or business to which the firearm was sent, or from which the firearm was received, in the course of any business activity referred to in paragraph (b) other than an activity that relates to a transfer of the firearm, if applicable; and,
(f) if the business caused the firearm to be shipped by another person, the name of the shipper or carrier, their licence number or permit number, if applicable, and the package tracking number of the shipped firearm.

(2) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, keep the following information in respect of the transfer:

(a) the reference number issued by the Registrar;

(b) the day on which the reference number was issued;

(c) the transferee’s licence number; and

(d) the firearm’s make, model and type and, if any, its serial number.

(3) The business must, unless otherwise directed by a chief firearms officer, transmit any records containing the information referred to at conditions (1) or (2) above to the Registrar of Firearms if it is determined that the business will cease to be a business.

Sources:
[i] https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/cntrng-crm/frrms/mn-chngs-frrms-tbl-en.aspx
[ii] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-3.html#h-223346
[iii] ibid
May 20th, 2022, 12:49 PM
gbk

I a looking forward to posts from our hell bent leftist members (and in an unlikely case, "othres"to)to chime it in with some "explanations"why this is enacted by our Governement-and they shed light, where this Bill will actually DO something positive for us.
May 20th, 2022, 01:02 PM
cramadog2

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbk

I a looking forward to posts from our hell bent leftist members (and in an unlikely case, "othres"to)to chime it in with some "explanations"why this is enacted by our Governement-and they shed light, where this Bill will actually DO something positive for us.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLT39LcF/?k=1
May 20th, 2022, 07:12 PM
trky chsr

Quote:

Originally Posted by cramadog2

This true?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLTnHG1q/?k=1

In a nutshell, no. The reference number system now in place, yes, but this has nothing to do the Chief Provincial Firearms office (CFO). This is Federal and you have to contact the Canadian Firearms Centre or use the Individual Online Portal on the RCMP website to get a reference number.Also as for a gunsmith here is a line from the CSSA news briefing that is included in this thread:
Gunsmiths and Storage
Taking a firearm to a gunsmith for repair and/or modification is NOT a transfer under these regulations.
May 20th, 2022, 07:26 PM
mosquito

Quote:

Originally Posted by trky chsr

In a nutshell, no. The reference number system now in place, yes, but this has nothing to do the Chief Provincial Firearms office (CFO). This is Federal and you have to contact the Canadian Firearms Centre or use the Individual Online Portal on the RCMP website to get a reference number.Also as for a gunsmith here is a line from the CSSA news briefing that is included in this thread:
Gunsmiths and Storage
Taking a firearm to a gunsmith for repair and/or modification is NOT a transfer under these regulations.

Yep, it is NOT a transfer, the business just has to record, retain and perhaps turn over to the registrar the data.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosquito

The RCMP’s Notice to Businesses of New Firearm Regulations

Effective May 18, 2022:

(1) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years beginning on the day on which the record is created, keep the following information relating to the business’ possession and disposal of all non-restricted firearms:

(a) the classification of the firearm;
(b) the date and an indication of any business activity related to the possession or the disposal of the firearm, including, if applicable, its purchase, sale, bartering, gifting, consignment, importation, exportation, repair, alteration, deactivation, destruction, manufacture, pawn broking, storage and display;
(c) the firearm’s manufacturer, make, model, type, action, gauge or calibre, barrel length and, in the case of a fixed magazine, magazine capacity;
(d) all serial numbers displayed on the firearm’s frame or receiver;
(e) the name and address of the individual or business to which the firearm was sent, or from which the firearm was received, in the course of any business activity referred to in paragraph (b) other than an activity that relates to a transfer of the firearm, if applicable; and,
(f) if the business caused the firearm to be shipped by another person, the name of the shipper or carrier, their licence number or permit number, if applicable, and the package tracking number of the shipped firearm.

(2) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, keep the following information in respect of the transfer:

(a) the reference number issued by the Registrar;

(b) the day on which the reference number was issued;

(c) the transferee’s licence number; and

(d) the firearm’s make, model and type and, if any, its serial number.

(3) The business must, unless otherwise directed by a chief firearms officer, transmit any records containing the information referred to at conditions (1) or (2) above to the Registrar of Firearms if it is determined that the business will cease to be a business.

Seems like the Gunsmith WILL have to record it, I am hoping that Ian Runkle will do a detailed look at the new firearm registry but based on the RCMP text the business in possession of a firearm has to record and retain for 20 years the data.

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Originally Posted by cramadog2

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLT39LcF/?k=1

Justlied lied again and again and again and again .... here is a video showing Justlied lying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Gs_mwWmTk
May 26th, 2022, 08:39 AM
neilselden

Hi,
Before I post, I would ask that folks NOT take the trouble to expand on whatever political views they may have. If you disagree with the new regs, then I would welcome people to debate or just to express their own views, specifically about the new requirements.

For individual to individual transfers, the portal will ask for the PAL info of the person to whom the firearm is being transferred, along with their email address. Purportedly, this is to allows for a check on the validity of the PAL. No information regarding what is being transferred, nor how many are being transferred is required. There is no requirement for an individual seller to keep any records. Previously there was no hard requirement to verify a person's PAL - the seller only needed to not have a reason to believe the PAL was not valid.

Once the seller validates the PAL info, both people will get a notice in the online portal that a transfer number has been issued. That notice includes the names and PAL #'s of both buyer and seller.

However, for business to individual sales, the seller must validate the PAL of the buyer, and keep a record PAL of the info + info about the firearm being sold (see here for details). That info must be retained by the business for 20 years. At this point, there is no requirement for this information to be transmitted anywhere, except in the case of a police request, which I believe requires that the police get a warrant. I'm not finding the exact wording on this, so if anyone has a reference as to the circumstances police could access the business records, I'd appreciate the information.

I personally support that a PAL must be verified as valid prior to selling a firearm to that person. I do NOT support that businesses keep details on the firearm specs and that they need to keep records for 20 years.

Cheers,
Neil