Very interesting article.
https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/...rating-6498316
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Very interesting article.
https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/...rating-6498316
I remember back in the day seeing all those "closed roads signs" around outfitters hunting area's in order to protect the Moose hunting for their paying American clients, to the exclusion of the Canadian taxpayers. Could not image the same down in the States.
The whole Moose Mismanagement have left us all with less Moose and almost no hunting opportunities for them.
It's funny, how this article is a direct contradiction to what has been discussed on recent OFAH insiders moose allocation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyHtc7gfOf8&t=4734
Where the gov rep claims to allocation 10% to TI with small addon (it varies by wmu)
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This is always a worry of mine - the movement to a "pay to play" system, where as residents we basically have to hire an outfitter to get a tag
That article pretty much confirms what hunters have known or decades. The entire system has been totally corrupted and efforts to mitigate the system is nothing but a giant fustercluck of epic proportions. Honestly,I believe it's now beyond salvage not only from a governmental bureaucratic bungling standpoint,but,moreso when factors like climate change are added in.
I was just wondering , Can a resident apply for a non resident tag?????
I stand to be corrected, however I'm pretty sure there are no "non resident" tags? The outfitter/lodge has tags available for them to include with hunting packages they sell, mostly to non-residents. I think anyone is eligible if they want to pay the price for the package that includes a tag?Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
.... and the tags are supposed to be included in a hunting package and not added value or cost to the hunt. The gov't gives them to the outfitters free of charge to attract clients that otherwise wouldn't have a tag and not use their place of business.
Hmmm.... As usual, this is a TOUGH subject to discuss.
One cannot make a quick judgement or simply comment without considering all the existing angles.
I used to advocate the total stoppage of moose hunting for three years to allow the population a break from being decimated, and in a way, the new moose draw is a wonderful way of protecting the moose from being over-hunted by the pesky human beings and their powerful weapons!
Having hunted moose for many years without pulling the trigger on one, I fully understand that HAVING a tag in hand, does NOT mean that I will have a MOOSE for sure. The outfitters are a legit part of our tourism industry, whether they offer to take you fishing, or goose hunting, or taking you on a moose hunt. Are you ever guaranteed to kill a moose just because you have paid $6,000 to an outfitter? Can everyone here attest to being 100% successful on their paid hunts of any kind?
So, the article mentions "harvest" allocation, and to me that doesn't mean harvest SUCCESS.
I am not a fan of the outfitters myself and have never paid for a moose hunt. The closest I came was in 2020 when the pandemic prevented the Americans from hunting up here and as a result my friends and I were able to purchase a moose tag from the motel who was selling them for one-fifth of the normal price, as long as we stayed in their motel for a few nights. We gladly paid and had a memorable hunt on our own, but the four of us never even saw a moose in six full days of roaming the woods full time! I know people who have paid for fly-in moose hunts and all they came back with was a few fish and partridge.
The numbers of these outfitters may be high, so the government might have to reduce their numbers and limit their tag allocations. Making business out of wildlife, that they did not create or place in the forests, never seems a fair practice to me, BUT at my age, IF I get my hands on some extra funds, it would actually make sense for me to hire their services and benefit from the amenities and the services that they provide. It will make me feel a little selfish and somewhat "dirty" but hey, I have never been a hugely successful big game hunter and time is running out for me! [:-/
Our current draw system seems to be way more fair compared to what we had before, but there is always room for improvement and with our input, the authorities can tweak and tweak and then make adjustments to create a more fair playing field for every human and every species of animals out there, including the moose - and the outfitters!
Clearly, the author has an axe to grind with the MNRF. It’s my recollection that most drive-to outfitters have had their tags reduced. Firstly, many had to trade gun tags to archery tags (ratio of 3 or 4 to 1) then they started losing those too. I know of many outfitters who are down to 1 cow archery tags. Some have none.
Did this change happen with new allocation system or before ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
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A friend outfitter of mine has the second most tags in 15b, he has 2 bow bull and 1 rifle I believe, few cows which don't get sold to cause anyone can draw a cow tag easy there, area has well over 500 bull tags, and the most tags for a unit in all of Ontario last year, His tags go u and down same as the unit as the mnr sets the quotas, They don't get very many tags,
I seem to recall outfitter tags declining when resident tags did but happened a year later because outfitters book hunts and take deposits a year in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by newbiehunter
That is correct, say this year our tags in areas go up, 2024 the outfitter will see the rise, if the drop they see a drop in 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
Basically a year behind everything