Electric Trucks and Cars

So at some point there might be no choice and you might have to buy at least one electric vehicle within the next 10 years.

I'm watching quite closely as I will retire in about 6-7 years and my wife in 10 years. Checking out the Ram to be release in 2024 and the Cyber truck late 2023 and the current F150 I think it is going to be out of my range as what I would need would be approx 120K.

An electric car like the Tesla for my wife will be more affordable as the Model 3 is about 75K Tax in. Most likely I will but a gas truck used but very new costing about 45K.

The F150 Lightening isn't much of a truck as it can only go about 100km with a load so it's out. The Ram supposedly with do 300km + with a load and 800 without so it would be doable but the price I am hearing is 125K

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

So at some point there might be no choice and you might have to buy at least one electric vehicle within the next 10 years.

I'm watching quite closely as I will retire in about 6-7 years and my wife in 10 years. Checking out the Ram to be release in 2024 and the Cyber truck late 2023 and the current F150 I think it is going to be out of my range as what I would need would be approx 120K.

An electric car like the Tesla for my wife will be more affordable as the Model 3 is about 75K Tax in. Most likely I will but a gas truck used but very new costing about 45K.

The F150 Lightening isn't much of a truck as it can only go about 100km with a load so it's out. The Ram supposedly with do 300km + with a load and 800 without so it would be doable but the price I am hearing is 125K

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Being required to buy an e-vehicle in the next few years is a leftist pipe dream. Consumer purchasing power is being reduced on a daily basis. Despite the Liberal's claims that everything on the economy front is "rosy",quite clearly,they've lost complete touch with reality. Expecting consumers to cough up $60-100K to buy one,convert their home electrical system for a charging system and paying humungous hydro bills with an inadequate generating system to service the hydro requirements until new generation infrastructure is built (think nuclear) proves the enviromental cases are only deluding themselves. Solar and wind has proven completely unreliable. We only need to look to Europe for positive proof of a complete failure. Battery technology,while baby steps are being made,still isn't nearly adequate technically and nobody is paying attention to geo-political issues with the only countries with base elements to build better batteries being directly hostile to the west not to even mention the catastrophic environmental damage from mining those same base elements (that the leftist enviro-whackos are conveniently ignoring). At the very most,e-vehicles will be limited 200KM range (less in winter temps) small cars that will serve as grocery getters and running the kids to school vehicles for only the well-heeled that can afford them. I doubt they'll be main stream vehicles anytime soon,in the next 50 years....maybe.

I agree with trimmer21. The infrastructure for our grid is going to need upgrading. The storage technology just isn’t there yet. I think we are in the infant stage of e-vehicles. Right now unless you are running local errands, they make no sense. Good luck towing/hauling anything. What about time wasted waiting for charging? There’s lots here to discuss. I don’t think they’ll be mainstream in my lifetime.

Would be tough for me to charge one up at the hunt camp with no electricity.... They would have to have some serious range before I would want one.

It's all going to come down to politics not about affordability. With mandatory mandates coming they plan on forcing the change. With a reduction in gas powered vehicles down 20% by 2026 and to 100% by 2035.

These mandatory mandates are all troughtout the agenda and our substanable development goals. The same faith the Dutch farmers faced is in the background of our newest mandates when they mandated our farmers with nitrogen. They did that already with the Dutch farmers years ago and here we go following the same footsteps.

I'm not planning an electric vehicle for a long time . If they were that much better the government's wouldn't need to give incentives to buy them. They can push the gas up all they want its still more affordable when we purchase our vehicles outright and are not putting thousands of dollars more out each year to drive. It's why we won't buy a new car lots of good used ones need a good home for a fraction of the cost of new one.

For some it works and others it won't. I'm certainly not going to be spending 8 thousand a year for our vehicles. That can get me 3 years or better for the same price on a nice clean reliable vehicle. . Going on 2 years with our latest just rolled over 150 thousand and not a speck of rust . First time winter driven last winter if it last 2 more years will have less than 2 grand a year on payments. Our last car from the dealership payed 22 thousand and scrapped it after the last payment lol.







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I would be curious to see what eco-terrorists propose to supplement the increased power consumption that will arise by this switch.
Coal burning plants ? My understanding is that the rhetoric about nuclear power is very negative by that crowd..

If your in the market for a truck I would check out Rivian. Not sure when you will get one but they look nice.

Can you imagine if we had one of those 24 hour power blackouts, I'm sure the rate of self inflicted wounds would shoot up rather quickly.

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Can you imagine if we had one of those 24 hour power blackouts, I'm sure the rate of self inflicted wounds would shoot up rather quickly.

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Let's just for a few moments think about everything going electric and I mean everything just like the lefties want,then,someone turns out the lights for a month. What would you think happens to society then?

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Let's just for a few moments think about everything going electric and I mean everything just like the lefties want,then,someone turns out the lights for a month. What would you think happens to society then?

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After seeing what the pandemic did, especially the early days.... Better be prepared.

Oh I am well aware of the down side of them, but if Trudeau gets back in we might not have much choice as gas is expect to hit 3 bucks a litre in less than 5 years if he stays in power. So I am weighing my options 1 vehicle might possibly be electric and the other gas.

I'm interested in hybrid options mostly, it seems like the most practical when it comes down to being forced away from gasoline. If there was an alternative fuel such as hydrogen being pushed ahead as aggressively as EVs it would be far more attractive to people outside of the city centers. They can't even find parking spaces, imagine trying to find a public charging station if these things become more popular.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Oh I am well aware of the down side of them, but if Trudeau gets back in we might not have much choice as gas is expect to hit 3 bucks a litre in less than 5 years if he stays in power. So I am weighing my options 1 vehicle might possibly be electric and the other gas.

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If Tredeau gets back - electric vehicles might be the least of our problems [emoji53][emoji53]

Please don't say that, I already know and it gives me nightmares. :(

I already own a bunch of things my son might not get to inherit.

We spent Sunday at the gun range doing some target shooting.:)

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If Tredeau gets back - electric vehicles might be the least of our problems [emoji53][emoji53]

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I had reserved one of the EV silverados - should have been delivered in Q1 2024, but GM has changed the price from 40k (USD) to 80k before delivering .
The weight of these trucks is a concern - 8900lbs vs 5000lbs for the ICE version. Would you every think of doing your every-day driving with 4000 lbs of extra weight in the back? That's what you are doing with the EV.

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Oh I am well aware of the down side of them, but if Trudeau gets back in we might not have much choice as gas is expect to hit 3 bucks a litre in less than 5 years if he stays in power. So I am weighing my options 1 vehicle might possibly be electric and the other gas.

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There is your answer, the loan payment on a new EV is fixed but the price of gas will go up over the period of the loan.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

I had reserved one of the EV silverados - should have been delivered in Q1 2024, but GM has changed the price from 40k (USD) to 80k before delivering .
The weight of these trucks is a concern - 8900lbs vs 5000lbs for the ICE version. Would you every think of doing your every-day driving with 4000 lbs of extra weight in the back? That's what you are doing with the EV.

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Was actually reading an article this morning about Britain and the damage to the rds from the ev cars. With the extra weight it's causing extra stress on the roads that needs 12 billion in pot hole repairs lol.


To bad about the price difference the first price would of been a good a deal.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

I had reserved one of the EV silverados - should have been delivered in Q1 2024, but GM has changed the price from 40k (USD) to 80k before delivering .
The weight of these trucks is a concern - 8900lbs vs 5000lbs for the ICE version. Would you every think of doing your every-day driving with 4000 lbs of extra weight in the back? That's what you are doing with the EV.

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Wow…..I bet not many have considered that…..

Not meaning to hijack the thread but this is related to the switch to electric vehicles….

I was invited to participate in a HydroOne focus group back in the spring, it paid $100 for a few hours of my time so I did it. The focus of it was the rollout of a pamphlet that we will (or some may have already) received with our bill and every sentence was analyzed for reaction …the topic of the pamphlet was the imminent rollout of new SMART meters, which are coming very soon….these will be wifi-enabled to connect to your home internet and will also help you “manage” your home electricity use and your wifi-enabled thermostat, fridge etc….so get ready folks, the STATE is working its way into your household and it’s tying everything together, the push to electric vehicles and electric heat, and I have already seen a notice about Hydro One offering up rebates to allow them to control your thermostat in times when the grid is stressed. Yes - I know that HydroOne is not the government but it’s just about as close as you can get without actually being. The Independent Electricity Operator controls the grid at the direction of the province and the province sets policy.

Good time for an off grid cabin somewhere.

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Not meaning to hijack the thread but this is related to the switch to electric vehicles….

I was invited to participate in a HydroOne focus group back in the spring, it paid $100 for a few hours of my time so I did it. The focus of it was the rollout of a pamphlet that we will (or some may have already) received with our bill and every sentence was analyzed for reaction …the topic of the pamphlet was the imminent rollout of new SMART meters, which are coming very soon….these will be wifi-enabled to connect to your home internet and will also help you “manage” your home electricity use and your wifi-enabled thermostat, fridge etc….so get ready folks, the STATE is working its way into your household and it’s tying everything together, the push to electric vehicles and electric heat, and I have already seen a notice about Hydro One offering up rebates to allow them to control your thermostat in times when the grid is stressed. Yes - I know that HydroOne is not the government but it’s just about as close as you can get without actually being. The Independent Electricity Operator controls the grid at the direction of the province and the province sets policy.

Good time for an off grid cabin somewhere.

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That is pretty invasive. But it would require an IP accessible thermostat, and I don't think many homes have that. We have a programmable one - but is all manual. No IP access.

[QUOTE=werner.reiche;1214072]That is pretty invasive. But it would require an IP accessible thermostat, and I don't think many homes have that. We have a programmable one - but is all manual. No IP access.[/QUOTECellPhone.

It's been around for 10 years or so. I can control my HVAC system from anywhere in the world with my phone.
https://www.ecobee.com/en-ca/

Yes lots of people are going to ‘smart’ homes with everything connected to wifi, from thermostats to fridges to garage door openers. It’s not for me.

How much longer until gas furnaces are not AVAILABLE for sale or LEGAL to install ? It’s already happening in some larger cities

Not a chance in H E L L I would allow the government or government controlled organization control my house. I have no internet enabled appliances and if I did I would not connect them. Gee what could go wrong.

Nope not in my budget! Lol

I recently spent a week in Toronto. The hotel I stayed at had a bunch of charging station out back. There was always a couple vehicles plugged in. Same thing with the hotel next door to this one. If enough people gets hooked, maybe price of gas will drop? I’m not planning on going electric anytime soon. Just bought a new gas truck.

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Not a chance in H E L L I would allow the government or government controlled organization control my house. I have no internet enabled appliances and if I did I would not connect them. Gee what could go wrong.

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It’s coming. And getting back to electric vehicles….remember when the big cold snap hit Texas 2 years ago, the power grid went down and some people were running their houses off the batteries in their F-150 Lightning’s….part of me wonders if electric vehicles that are all plugged in at home might somehow be regarded as a power reserve to be drawn on in emergencies. Maybe that’s a bit far-fetched yet, but they know there is a coming issue with the capacity of the power grid and are already trying to control thermostats…..

On the way to work this morning I hear on the news that were going to be close to energy peak and they might ask people to turn do air conditioners and unplug cars (WTF) and they want everyone to switch fast? The electrical system would not have a hope in handling it.. So when there is a power outage how to charge your car?

Regardless since will always have a car and a truck, most likely the car will be electrical.

Not far fetched they are planning that now in California.

So they suck your power from you and you are left an uncharged car.

https://electrek.co/2023/05/04/can-e...e-v2g-by-2027/

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

It’s coming. And to get the thread back on track….remember when the big cold snap hit Texas 2 years ago, the power grid went down and some people were running their houses off the batteries in their F-150 Lightning’s….part of me wonders if electric vehicles that are all plugged in at home might somehow be regarded as a power reserve to drawn on in emergencies. Maybe that’s a bit far-fetched yet, but they know there is a coming issue with the capacity of the power grid and are already trying to control thermostats…..

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I thought I heard they were going to build another nuclear power station where the current Bruce power station is. Supposedly it will be able to service 4.5 million homes.

So they say, but it will take at minimum 20+ years.

Darlington took 12
Bruce Power 17 years for units A and B

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I thought I heard they were going to build another nuclear power station where the current Bruce power station is. Supposedly it will be able to service 4.5 million homes.

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I thought I heard they were going to build another nuclear power station where the current Bruce power station is. Supposedly it will be able to service 4.5 million homes.

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That was in today's citizen. It didn't mention a completion date, but they did talk about eliminating natural gas by 2027 - that would seem a bit too early.

The wife drives a Honda CRV Hybrid and I can tell you its an excellent vehicle. It recharges on its own and the battery acceleration is outstanding. She is averaging 6L/100k.

It's a Lease and a full warranty for 5 years. I wouldn't want to keep it when the warranty is over though... lol