Moose hunter Survey

I got a letter from the MNRF this week asking to participate in a voluntary moose hunting survey.

The survey went over things like:
- my age and hunting experience, typical group size
- where I hunt and whether I was satisfied with my hunting experience in that unit and satisfaction with the moose population there
- my knowledge of the point system and what I do if I know that a tag won’t be coming
- my satisfaction with the point system
- suggestions on how to improve the point system
- suggestions on improving moose management

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

I got a letter from the MNRF this week asking to participate in a voluntary moose hunting survey.

The survey went over things like:
- my age and hunting experience, typical group size
- where I hunt and whether I was satisfied with my hunting experience in that unit and satisfaction with the moose population there
- my knowledge of the point system and what I do if I know that a tag won’t be coming
- my satisfaction with the point system
- suggestions on how to improve the point system
- suggestions on improving moose management

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I’m glad you got that. They should get some good info.

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

I got a letter from the MNRF this week asking to participate in a voluntary moose hunting survey.

The survey went over things like:
- my age and hunting experience, typical group size
- where I hunt and whether I was satisfied with my hunting experience in that unit and satisfaction with the moose population there
- my knowledge of the point system and what I do if I know that a tag won’t be coming
- my satisfaction with the point system
- suggestions on how to improve the point system
- suggestions on improving moose management

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re: management suggestions - I hope you suggest a total ban on cows and calves ! There's zero logic in the continued harvest of both, given the current state of the provincial herd.

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Originally Posted by Fenelon

re: management suggestions - I hope you suggest a total ban on cows and calves ! There's zero logic in the continued harvest of both, given the current state of the provincial herd.

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Is there anywhere else in North America where a cow/calf harvest is allowed for elk or moose other than to reduce herd population? I don't understand it either.

Saskatchewan it is easy to get a cow tag compared to a bull tag, but way less hunters, and it isnt to reduce the population.
Some guys go 20 plus years there to to get a bull.

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Originally Posted by Matt86

Saskatchewan it is easy to get a cow tag compared to a bull tag, but way less hunters, and it isnt to reduce the population.
Some guys go 20 plus years there to to get a bull.

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It's pretty easy to get a cow moose and cow elk tags where I hunt in Alberta
I actually have enough WIN points for a cow moose this year but probably a year short for a cow elk

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Originally Posted by Fenelon

re: management suggestions - I hope you suggest a total ban on cows and calves ! There's zero logic in the continued harvest of both, given the current state of the provincial herd.

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I think that depends on the area you’re in a some have more hunting pressure than others. The MNRF mad a significant move a few years back when they stopped automatically issuing calf tags with moose licences. In WMU 61 and WMU 60 along the Hwy.62 corridor 70 moose camps were shutdown when Landescapes purchased the old Domtar property to start an upper class area for wilderness retreats at a price of $5,000-$10,000 per membership. The area is largely swamp (I’ve flown over the area) and looks like perfect moose habitat. They bought up a total of 26,400 acres and word is they are not doing well with membership sales. As for hunting privileges they stated initially that they would allow some hunting albeit at prohibitively expensive prices. Their initial high handed approach upset cottages and forced them into damage control talks with their neighbours, but most are not enamoured with what they are attempting to do.
Shutting down moose hunting in an area that size will undoubtedly creat a spike in the moose population. Our hunt camp is northeast of these lands and I expect we will be seeing a lot more moose on the property. We’ve had a breeding pair there for the past few years. To add to that they gave a parcel of that land to Nature Conservancy an anti hunting organization.
We already see moose in the area, but my fear is that they will become a much greater traffic hazard in the future, much the same as deer are in the Port Carling area.

Nice to hear from you again.

You are bang on the money with your post save and except about the Nature Conservancy being anti hunter. I do not believe that to be true and if you research it you will find that many of their Conservation Easement agreements allow for hunting and fishing seasons that are legal and can be carried out on the properties they have easements over. NOW if its a solely owned and bought for property they purchased I would say that is probably an accurate statement. The Lake and surrounding lands my neighbor is on where he owns the land has a conservation easement but allows hunting and fishing.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Nice to hear from you again.

You are bang on the money with your post save and except about the Nature Conservancy being anti hunter. I do not believe that to be true and if you research it you will find that many of their Conservation Easement agreements allow for hunting and fishing seasons that are legal and can be carried out on the properties they have easements over. NOW if it’s a solely owned and bought for property they purchased I would say that is probably an accurate statement. The Lake and surrounding lands my neighbor is on where he owns the land has a conservation easement but allows hunting and fishing.

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This isn’t an easement agreement, Land’Escapes outright bough the property and gave several thousand acre as to Nature Conservancy of Canada and in returned received money from the provincial government. Our cottage owners association has been actively researching this as some of this property abuts properties on the lake. When Land’Escapes first came I. They got heavy handed telling people they couldn’t use traditional walking trails in the area, pushing people of property they didn’t own … .
I’m surprised you haven’t heard of them because if memory serves me correct, you have property in the area.
They’ve made that tract of land very exclusive. Some of our members looking into this on an ongoing basis say they have sold few if any memberships. Our cottage owners association have had several meetings with Land’Eacapes since the initial confrontations. Land’Escapes have give some reassurances the area property owners will be able to continue using traditional trails but only on foot. Since the derecho that may not even be possible in places.
I’m still expecting a spike in the moose population

Yeh I agree with you about the Nature Conservancy and its relationship to LAND Escapes and Ben Samann , I put up some of the very first posts on here that you might have missed and I have been posting updates ever since. I knew that after the first year or so those members of the Limerick Hunt camps all the way up to Bancroft were going to get screwed.

I don't mind a property owner doing this as long as he/she is not using TAXPAYERS money to screw the TAYPAYER.

The whole deal with Mr Samann and his outfit and his relationship to the Federal Liberals and even the Ontario Government stinks to high heavens and close forensic audit should be done on it IMHO.

Between the Algonquin Lands claims, these guys and private hunt outfitters taking over there will be lots of guys with no places left to hunt save and except what Crown land is not already occupied.

Bank Robbers lane does not even go through now towards the Deer River as an outfit out of Kingston, Rock Ridge Hunt camps has that closed of, the road was on private land so nothing can be done.


https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...ght=ben+Samann

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Yeh I agree with you about the Nature Conservancy and its relationship to LAND Escapes and Ben Samann , I put up some of the very first posts on here that you might have missed and I have been posting updates ever since. I knew that after the first year or so those members of the Limerick Hunt camps all the way up to Bancroft were going to get screwed.

I don't mind a property owner doing this as long as he/she is not using TAXPAYERS money to screw the TAYPAYER.

The whole deal with Mr Samann and his outfit and his relationship to the Federal Liberals and even the Ontario Government stinks to high heavens and close forensic audit should be done on it IMHO.

Between the Algonquin Lands claims, these guys and private hunt outfitters taking over there will be lots of guys with no places left to hunt save and except what Crown land is not already occupied.

Bank Robbers lane does not even go through now towards the Deer River as an outfit out of Kingston, Rock Ridge Hunt camps has that closed of, the road was on private land so nothing can be done.


https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...ght=ben+Samann

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Agreed