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A reader asks if it's legal to carry a firearm outside of legal hunting seasons (while camping, canoeing, etc).
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A reader asks if it's legal to carry a firearm outside of legal hunting seasons (while camping, canoeing, etc).
Interesting answer and I know just a paragraph is given to answer the question think more needs to go into the answer. Hard to generalize but one thing keep in mind most provincial areas/parks that allow hunting don't allow firearms outside of hunting seasons.
hm the answer seems strange ! I often take my bow camping (crownland), and practice during the day.
If I'm in any situation that I feel I need to carry a gun, I'm gunna have it on me,
There is a trip I know of it is a requirement to carry a gun or they simply wont let you go, and this is a fishing trip with no hunting season,
Always exceptions to the rules
The answer says you can carry a gun, but like said above not in a provincial or a federal park, unless they allow waterfowl than only during their set times.
Seems the onus would be on you to prove you were not hunting. Think leaving the broadheads at home and just having target heads might go a long way to support your position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ata83
"In the absence of evidence to the contrary" are the operative words here. The regulations appear to be of the type that are deliberately ambiguous. Small game hunting seasons are open in all of southern Ontario all year, therefore, possession of firearms is permissible as long they're caliber size compliant for the area. Separating southern and northern Ontario, a clearly marked demarcation line extends across the province from east to west as shown in The Summary maps. North of that line,no small game licenses are valid,therefore,firearm possession is illegal unless one is clearly and demonstrably target shooting in a safe manner. Inclusive dates are also clearly marked.
Here is my take. I have property in an area where there is bear. I think I have seen about two in the last 10 years. So I know they are around, there are plenty of dropping to make that point. When I venture back into my bush I go armed with enough kill power to stop a bear. I really have no interest in taking a bear, so the reason I carry is purely a defensive posturing. Since bear season is inordinately long, always open through out duck and grouse season, I still like to have sufficient kill power beyond bird shot to stop a bear in defence. However having that amount of kill power aboard can present problems if you are confronted by a CO. However, I determine it was cheaper than the fine for poaching to purchases a bear license and don my blaze orange hat and vest even though I'm only out after small game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeghanOOD
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
Never bought the defense "got to carry for bear protection" when dealing with black bears in Ontario. Clip on a couple bells to your jacket and can pretty much guarantee you won't be seeing a bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
Agreed, the chance of getting killed or seriously hurt in a car wreck on the way to your spot is far greater than having a problem with a bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Like the GUN NUT, I too purchase a BEAR license. I run bird dogs, and the remote possibility of one of them running into a female bear with a cub may be slight, it can occur. The bear in defense of the cub will chase the dog, the dog in defense will likely come running back to me. The only issue will be ,which pocket has the heavy loads.
Absolutely and 99.9% of the time black bears go the other way. But sometimes not and why shouldn’t we be able to carry a gun just in case.Quote:
Originally Posted by brent
I often carry in bear country. Usually when I’m with others. Alone I’m not so concerned but if I feel like carrying a gun I do. I’ll deal with the consequences either way when needed. But defending yourself should never be an issue and preventing someone from having a defense when out in the wilds is ridiculous in my opinion
There is a difference being in Grizzly country and dealing with Ont Black bears. I be more scared of the person so afraid of black bears they need a gun to feel safe, that's how unintentional shooting happens. Bell up, carry spray but the gun is overkill.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
I know you said a slight possibility but in reality has it ever happened to you? In all my years of hunting have had only 2 bear encounters both in the same Simcoe county forest. I know of a location of several bait stations never active in the fall so figure they are spring hunters. The first encounter happened on a spring turkey hunt. It was in the predawn darkness with me sitting at the base of a tree had a bear come down the trail that looked as big a a VW beetle. Ya to say I was a little nervous would be an understatement sure I had a shotgun loaded with 3" #5 ready for turkey there would be no way to unload and reload with slugs or buckshot for defense. In the end all it too was a few stern F' you's and the bear shot off into the darkness without a second thought. The second incident was bird hunting with the dog Dad decided to take a seat and wait for me to circle back around. When I got back to him he told me a small bear a little bit bigger than a large German shepherd was push out infront of me and ran past dad sitting on the log. Never noticed dad as it was looking over its shoulder keeping tabs on me and the dog. I my experience having a hard time with understanding the need.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDH
And there lies the problem but I guess like insurance better to have it and not need it than the other way around. With all the stuff I carry for me that can be culled from the packQuote:
Originally Posted by BDH
Black bears are pretty easily scared unless it's a female and the cubs are on the opposite side of you. Males maybe if their starving or are use to eating campers food. I have encountered 2 bears and once I did have my 20 gauge but it was 10 yards from me and the bear about 50 yards, I just yelled and it moved on. The second was Saturday night like two days ago and did not have a gun with me, again I just yelled and it moved on.
However you are allowed in Ontario to take your guns and shoot in many pits on crown land and usually I do camp with a gun at minimum a 22.
I actually just bought a new 22 Ruger 10/22 having retired my old 22 Lakefield, I picked it up on Monday but forgot to bring it with me, so didn't get to sight it in.
But I have often brought my 270 or 303 just to do some target shooting in the gravel pits on crown land and have even had the CO drop by nothing illegal about it.
In the fall I generally carry the the 20 for grouse but if I am thinking ducks I bring the 12 and keep some #1 shells with me.
Some of the recent black bear attacks in Ontario were mature predatory boars. 99% of the time a bear will avoid you but there is the odd chance that they will stalk you. Animals can be unpredictable.
I agree that most of the time,Blackies will bugger off when they realize the thing tossing rocks and yelling is human. Having said that,I recall a bit of a harrowing experience after a big Blackie snuck up behind me in the pouring rain and stole my back pack with my lunch in it that I'd left sitting against a tree with me sitting on the other side. It's funny ,then,but,when you realize that something real bad could have happened with one well-aimed swat from a huge paw with three inch claws,in hindsight, it's not so funny. It's not as important in the southern part of the province (so far),but,we need to be cognizant that in the north,scat analyses indicates that Grizzlies are now present in the north from Lake of the Woods to Churchill. That's kind of chilling,so,it might behove everyone to take nothing for granted.
Agreed in 40 years of hunting them only ever felt threatened once and that guy ended up in my freezer when he closed to 6 feet. No harm no foul as I had a tag and season was open.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Regarding grizzly I know they have been documented Churchill way but have never heard of anything LOTW way. Do you have a source for that?
Sorry but being afraid of someone carrying a gun in the woods is way to much of the gun grabber way of thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
There is no reason we (trained hunters and PAL owners) should not be able to have a gun in the woods for whatever reason we choose.
Being afraid of that person is ridiculous in my opinion
I’m not afraid of black bears or gun owners while in the woods and have no issues with either being there whether I have a gun at the time or not. We should be free to choose which ever way we want
Bear attacks in Ontario are not that rare(eventhough they do not happen frequently either).Just look back at the last 30 years...
Granted black bears can be shooed away-but not all of them. .Especiallly if one is a vicinity of a bear which identifies himself/herself as a predator.
Carrying a gun is one of those things our MNR could have a broader "inclusive "approach.
I -for myself am always lot more concerned of a night attack out in the bear country. While sleeping,one is defenceless to a great degree.
And then -and there,no gun can help.
Think we are getting to the true root of the argument. My thinking has nothing to do with gun grabbing and I do believe the vast majority of gun owners behave in a safe and responsible manor. I would love to live in a prefect utopian world where everyone could " be free to choose which ever way we want" however we live in a society and rules and regs are written because of those that behaved irresponsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
Given the number of shot up signs in the woods I'm okay with the way the regs are written. If engaged in a legal activity yes you can have a gun otherwise it must be safely stowed away.
Just to clarify. I wasn’t implying you are a gun grabber. Just that the thought process of “I’m afraid of it, so nobody should be able to do it”, is in my books is the anti method of thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Some bears you can predict and others you can’t. I’ve seen the unexpected charging bear in bear season before and warning shots would not sway its intent. I’ve watched the written words on bear wise in Algonquin park change over the years from being dismissive of the issue to the current approach of far more caution about unpredictability and danger. In parks you cannot carry a firearm defence tool but a canoe paddle is a good alternative. But ultimately it’s true any tool is less useful when asleep in the dark. I’d tell any camper / explorer to go watch the movies Backcountry and The Edge but also take part in some baited bear hunting to see that your best defence might be to carry an alternative to yourself like a big bag of sugary sweets as those bandits I find have a real liking for the sweets rather than you. But as with everything in life there are always the exception….and there might be some bear who is trying out the carnivore diet instead…..lol
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Gun owners can lobby for more restrictive rules in response to societies concerns and we keep our privileges albeit under tigher more expensive to follow rules, or we can wait and watch our privileges taken away.
That's the exact attitude that's got us into the situation we've found ourselves now. We've been too much "Mr. Nice Guy" that's got us nowhere. That needs to stop....period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marker
There is a reason society has concerns as some of our own kind are are worst enemies. Simcoe county forest banned target shooting why? I for one have seen guys sight in their slug guns shooting down the trails with nothing more for a back stop than a sheet of cardboard. Can't blame them for shutting it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marker
Simcoe county forest! There’s sub-divisions near by. Are we even talking about the original discussion? This topic has gone sideways.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
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Not all Simcoe county forest's have subdivisions nearby. Some are near nothing. But I do agree that this seems to have gone off from the original topic
Majority of black bear attacks are healthy, adult predatory boars. They are animals.. and not all created equal. I've seen many. I've encountered one that absolutely looked at me like I was meat. All it takes is one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
Finsfurfeathers will probably never encounter one, and most people never will. But each and every one of them would change their stance pretty quick if they did.
Ignorance is bliss.
Boy what a difference - down here I carry a gun anywhere and anytime - when going overnight fishing always feel safer when I have a handgun with me - it always amazes me how Canadians are so restricted and controlled by their government - a good thing is happening down here with the Supreme Court - it is gradually getting government our of our lives with it's recent rulings - always remember - an armed citizen is a free citizen -
I've posted this before but maybe it is worth repeating it again - years ago a holocaust survivor gave a talk at a local college - after his presentation he took questions from the audience - someone asked him why the Jews didn't put up resistance when they were being rounded up and sent to the concentration camps - his answer - with what - they took all our guns
So the price of unrestricted gun use is the loss of a sense of security and peace. Tough sell for me think I'll keep my regulated gun use and enjoy not having to worry about the need to pack an extra piece of equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Totaly Agree
This is Canada ....
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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
In Ontario it is pretty much a mute. Most places something is in season as long as you have a small game license.
Thinking like this will get you in trouble. As mentioned earlierQuote:
Originally Posted by overyonder
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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Trying to jerk a CO around by feeding a line is a sure way too make your day a bad one.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
As you said earlier
Target shooting is allowed however getting too and returning from the target range the gun must be secured in a fashion that it is obvious you're not hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by overyonder
found a vid for you Joe. Go ol' american fishinghttps://youtu.be/5YG0GlsFk_cQuote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Jerking around the CO with poor reasons is always a bad idea. Lying to a CO is actually an offense with a $500 fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
I remember reading up one of the MNR court cases where a guy was convicted of lying to a CO, but of nothing else. That was a real head scratcher.
What did the guy lie about? His favorite colour? Apparently nothing that was related to F&G charges.
Wow that guy catching those king fish could use a bigger boat - I wonder if they are good eating