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A reader asks if prepared food (like tasty fish sandwiches packed for lunch) counts towards your daily possession limit.
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A reader asks if prepared food (like tasty fish sandwiches packed for lunch) counts towards your daily possession limit.
that can't be right. ya shore lunches count towards daily limit but tomorrows fish sandwich? How they supposed to check size limits on a fish salad?
Time for popcorn, beginning to sound like the secret service debacle. Suppose you used store bought salmon in a can to make your salmon salad sandwich? Do canned herring count towards your bait limit?
Could these regulations get any more ridiculous? Really? The next day lunch sandwiches can get you a humungous ticket? This interpretation is odd to say the least. I can just picture standing in court and telling the judge the guy was written up because he had a walleye sandwich for lunch. I can just hear the laughter now. Any CO laying such a charge and actually taking into court would likely find him/herself on beach poop patrol for the summer. I understand there's lots of it at Wasaga.
The CO answering that has added a clause that is not in the regulations. From the regs:
"The possession limit is the number of fish you are allowed to have in your possession on hand, in cold storage, in transit or anywhere."
The clause "(this includes fish that have been prepared to be eaten, but not yet consumed)" is unenforceable.
I don't think a CO would write a possession limit ticket for a fish sandwich - or any other fish ready to be eaten. That's ridiculous in that a fish ready to be eaten would not have skin attached for species identification, numbers of fish or size of fish impossible to determine. If you did get a CO dumb enough to write the ticket - I think any court would throw it out.
Ask a CO really dropped the ball on that one. I'd ask for a second opinion. He's making up stuff that isn't in the regs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeghanOOD
Think here is the problem "Answer by: Brenda Koenig, Provincial Enforcement Specialist, MNR" Think the newbie made the wrong call here, where is the old guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
She's been with MNR for 18 years - 11 as a CO - so she's not really a newbie.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Next up they will take a stool sample and if they find fish DNA you will get a fine... lol
well there goes that theoryQuote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
We could always ask her if she's had lunch and offer her a sandwich. Evidence? What evidence? ;)
So in theory, anyone catching a daily possession limit of say salmon and then canning them might have to glue them all back together if the CO came to inspect. Man the system has gotten stupid beyond reason.
That's an interesting problem. According to law, fish must be packaged so that then size, number and species can be determined. That would make canning an illegal storage mechanism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
Yup, during my years in the army we were always told to ask ourselves when a situation arose, "what if" and then find a suitable answer. I haven't found any canning jars long enough to accommodate a slab of salmon nor a pressure canner big enough to put the jar in.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Often wondered about this - so you catch your limit of bass (lets say 5 bass) and you want to take these home with you to freeze - you put these in the freezer of the camper you have - you go fishing again and catch another bass - one that you intend to eat right away (immediate consumption) - so technically you have one bass over limit for a very short time - same as if your going to throw it back into the water - instead of throwing it back into the water you throw it into your mouth - OK?
nope don't work that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
These true stories come from 2 people I used to fish with at a lodge in northern Quebec.
1. They were out fishing for lake trout. They had one each. Limit is 2. CO boated over to them to inspect. They said they were fishing for lake trout and had one each. All good. He asked to look in their cooler. They had cooked fish left over from last night (lake trout) they were planning on eating for lunch. The CO didn't fine them but said they had 2 choices: stop fishing for lake trout or eat the fish in the cooler. They ate the fish (while he watched) and then kept fishing.
2. One of the 2 people I fished with had an aquarium and when they kept pike, they would keep the strip of Y bones and freeze separately to feed to their aquarium fish. On the way home one year they got stopped by a CO. All their fish was packaged perfectly in zipper bags and frozen. Nothing over the limit. All good. The bag of Y bones were the problem. Fish caught by angling but not identifiable. He got a fine but luckily didn't have to forfeit his fish.
I bet if guys were honest a lot of them would say that a possession limit excludes the fish you caught some time ago and froze - they go by the limit while fishing and until they get home - kinda makes sense in a way - why put any fish in your freezer if that stops you from fishing
re: cooked laker in cooler. Yah the CO would have been right as this was party fishing which is not allowed. With three fish caught (2 plus the cooler fish) that means that one of the two anglers was still fishing after catching their limit. A lot of anglers don't think about this eg. you are fishing for lakers with steel line or leadcore, and a CO pulls up to check you. The limit is 2 fish per angler. If you have three fish in possession and both of you are still fishing then one of you is going to get a ticket. Same deal in winter. CO sits 200yds away on their skidoo with binocs or spotting scope on tripod, watching a group of six Lake Simcoe whitefish anglers. Your limit is two. In the next 30 minutes he sees one angler catch 10 whities, and kicks them over to his buddies and keeps fishing. Buddy Boy is going to have a really, really bad day when the CO finally comes over and says "And how are you boys doing today?", then starts writing. Buddy gets a ticket for 8 whitefish over limit.
Limits are catch and keep. No limits on catch and release. I can keep fishing with my limit in a cooler, just can’t keep any….
I thought you couldn't fish after you hit your limit (not even catch and release). This used to be enforced - to prevent livewell sorting - keeping the big ones and throwing back the smaller ones. Although with the proliferation of tournaments now days, does anyone care if you are doing this? Used to be that any released fish had to be released immediately, you couldn't keep them in a live well and release them later if you caught a bigger one... Is that no longer an issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Every tournament I've been at requires all fish caught to be live released after weighing (at least that's the rules,reality may be different). That required that fish be kept in a live well until then. Live well sorting was quite common. I don't remember that being enforced. Although I've attended a few,I've never been a big fan of tournaments.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Looking through an older copy of the regs - 2012. There is some of the old phraseology. It carries through to the latest version - except for the last point which seems to have been dropped.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
"Generally, daily catch limits include all fish that are retained for any period of time and not immediately released.". So once a fish is in your live well, it cannot be released - or if it does, it still goes against your daily limit.
But then it follows up with:
"Anglers fishing from a boat may now catch, hold, and selectively live release more walleye, northern pike, largemouth or smallmouth bass than the daily limit, provided: ... " - the conditions described are routine licensing and the use of an aerated live well.
It would appear that you cannot selectively release other species.
"If you catch a fish after reaching the daily catch or possession limit for that species, the fish must be released immediately back to the water." So you can't keep it and put back a fish already in the live well.
Then it follows up again with the old phraseology:
"Remember that all fish not immediately released count towards your daily catch or possession limits (also see Ontario’s catch and retain rules, page 9)."
Why does the OMNRF bureaucrats make these regs so deliberately ambiguous? Frustrating is an understatement. The Ontario public service needs an enema.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
The regs are sometimes written with an allowable tolerance range in order to prevent someone from using loopholes, and also to allow the responding officer to make a decision based on the totality of facts in that specific situation. The general thought is to follow the 'Spirit' of the rule not the 'Wording' of the rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
That is a huge problem if you get to court. It also means that the people put in charge of the regs publication aren't very good at their jobs. The "wording" of the rules should exactly match the spirit of the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marker
As pointed out, you can cull walleye, bass and pike. I’m sure those changes were made to accommodate tournament fishing.
Catch and release after you have a limit is ok. I don’t do it because you may deep hook a fish. I won’t release a deep hooked fish. Last year, we deep hooked a small walley, about 12 inches. He went into the tank. We ended up with our limit in the tank, one being about 8 pounds. When we took them from the tank and into the cooler, the little guy was gone. We found it down the throat of the 8 pounder. Only about the last 2 inches of tail stuck out of its mouth……
A few years ago we were leaving Lady Evelyn back down the dam and to the boat launch. Around the corner out from the river MNR was waiting and stopped us at the dock. The first question was "how many fish on board?" I told them that we had a few fried fish from the night before. Their response was "we don't care about the fried stuff, just fresh fish."
They checked our live well and cooler and were on their way. Didn't even ask to see the fried fish.