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Well the imf updated its projection and the brics block will remain the tops growing economy's over the next 5 years.

"In the manufacturing sector, BRICS countries account for over 40% of the world's total output, playing an indispensable role in the global supply chain. In terms of food production,BRICS countries produce 42% of the world's wheat, 52% of rice, and 46% of soybeans, serving as a pillar of global food security."

China also saw a trillion dollars in surpluse exports. As it shifts away from the developed countries it sees a larger market in the global south. Let's look at Indonesia for instance newest member trades to the bloc increased dramatically China will biuld them high speed rails, courier ports, 5 g network and more.


https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business...n-new-outlook/

We are crumbling behind facts are not conspiracies it just a reality we choose to ignore.

Very interesting yesterday saw a video and the last of it talked how China wants the world. not to just have the usa as a global supper power but rather a handful of countries . It's was straight out their 2018 wef predictions. But they are partners so what can I say? All the partnerships work on the same thing so when they predict something why shouldn't we take it seriously instead of calling it a conspiracy..

Anyone ever look into our pensions farm land? Yes they push the agenda in order to rent the lands. Read about it . It's all there to see.

Weaponizing the dollar,sanctions and tarrifs isn't going to be enough to keep us in a dominant position. Just because they are a rich country doesn't mean anything they are also heavily in debt..

It's said that the usa has sanctioned 1 third of the nation's since 1990. Well now they are over it the usa doesn't have its control it once had . Other countries won't be threatened by them much longer.

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I believe the trend is very short term. Once the Americans recover from the last 4 years of disastrous fiscal policy and Canada does the same (eventually), the BRICS scenario will shift back to USD dominance.

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4 years isn't a long time to establish any major developments. How will the us support the growth to rest of the g 7 lol.

China is using the growth of it neighbors and friends to help support it own. As they grow they intend to fill their needs at half the price we can offer them.

We can spend billions tying to bring chips in but it's going to cost more still than what China is biulding them for. And if it doesn't work because it's still not affordable we will continue to buy from elsewhere lol. Another part of our failure is us thinking about what we can afford rather he rest of the world. We are are only a small market I'd rather sell and base my interest to what 90 % could afford .






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So what is the solution?

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There is no short answer to a solution but we should of been recognizing it decades ago. We love taking data and using the trends if it fits the narrative. Otherwise we just keep the excuses coming. Heck I've been sounding the alarm for years most just laught it off as they watch everything fall to crap and wonder why.

How about affordable living, morals and standards. Society as a whole is broken, divided and feel defeated. You can have have a broken split Society drive the future it won't work.

I do know we shouldn't be letting the ones saying you'll own nothing or predicting another super power lead the charge. They will not fix the problems as they continue to gobbling up the land and make China a reality. That is what they do, that is what they say they are just a giant monopoly nothing more. They all work on the same goals and it's not to make our lives more affordable it's to generate more profits from a selected few. As they shape the Society they want they tell you this in so many ways and in the open .

They are meeting today and the next 4 days to better our future and to tackle our problems. That might be a problem in itself as they are looking out for thier own first.

We need to focus on our own needs and standards not a global agenda. We need to start with our own Society and solutions that fit our needs not theirs.



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Well this morning a new world leader took the reins - things will be different real fast - all I can say to Canada is get aboard and enjoy the ride -

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So Joe what other country thinks Trump is a good thing? With no allies how can one succeed? One thing is right He is taking you for a ride.

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The hell with those so-called allies - the reason some of them don't like Trump is because he is telling them the gravy train is coming to stop - no more let the U.S. do it - just think the Europe countries would be the first ones who would be in trouble if Russia decided to overrun Europe yet none of them meet their obligations when it comes to spending on defense - they rely on the U.S. to protect them - no more - Trump is going to make decisions that are good for the U.S. - I watched the inauguration and got a kick from Biden and his cronies sitting there having to listen Trump lambast Biden's record - I see nothing but good things happening under Trump - MAGA -

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He really doesn't care what other countries think. He's all in for his own country as he should be. His message to the world is that "with you or without you,we're doing this. Either get on board or get out of the way". He's made it quite clear that no one is "along for the ride". They're either in or out and if they're out,they're REALLY out.

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He really doesn't care what other countries think. He's all in for his own country as he should be. His message to the world is that "with you or without you,we're doing this. Either get on board or get out of the way". He's made it quite clear that no one is "along for the ride". They're either in or out and if they're out,they're REALLY out.

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This above.
Imagine if our country had a strong leader looking out for the vast majority of its' citizens instead of trying to be up on a stage entertaining any minor group that is loud and yells out they been done wrong. Imagine a strong leader that listens and acts to the voice of reasonable citizens instead of dressing up as a Hindu or Native American or Genie or African American for the photo op of the day. He has pushed climate taxes down our throats that are really just money grabs. He has been an embarrasment on the world public stage everywhere he goes, and he does travel ALOT on clean, green jets that leave just an itty bitty carbon footprint even though he UNDERSTANDS that the average Canadian is struggling.
Imagine a STRONG LEADER................ Because we DO NOT HAVE ONE IN OFFICE.
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Indonesia is getting a byd plant biult for them a billion dollar project funded by China. Another win win scenario for both economy's as the sales will stay domestic to compete against the Japanese market.

Nigeria was just accepted as a member the last few days it has lifted the brics nations to 54.9% of the world's population. They now represent the global majority as it's over half the population.

I hear cuba will also grow its economy from the brics partnerships as they set to expand its trade.

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He really doesn't care what other countries think. He's all in for his own country as he should be. His message to the world is that "with you or without you,we're doing this. Either get on board or get out of the way". He's made it quite clear that no one is "along for the ride". They're either in or out and if they're out,they're REALLY out.

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It's a good thing. He did get an end to the gaza war for now. It's amazing so many are worried about what he will do. . Everyone needs a strong leader a leader not a puppet pretending to be a leader. Hear he already pulled out of the climate act again lol. We should do the same as well as the un.

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Trump killed the Biden regulations that would have reduced the use of gas stoves - lower water use washing machines - gas operated cars - drilling for oil - and a bunch of other stupid things

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The Trump admin will be moving quite quickly to negate the contractural sale for $1 that Jimmy Carter signed on the Panama Canal that the Panamanian government has repeatedly violated. Besides vastly and unfairly over charging American ships,they've allowed private companies to administer the fee structure for access and passage,one at each end. On the surface,they appear to be separate entities,but,in reality,they're puppet companies under the control of the Chinese Communist Party.

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The Trump admin will be moving quite quickly to negate the contractural sale for $1 that Jimmy Carter signed on the Panama Canal that the Panamanian government has repeatedly violated. Besides vastly and unfairly over charging American ships,they've allowed private companies to administer the fee structure for access and passage,one at each end. On the surface,they appear to be separate entities,but,in reality,they're puppet companies under the control of the Chinese Communist Party.

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im all for a lot of what trump is doing but none of this is true it’s just you repeating trumps rambling. Having just been in Panama I’ll tell you even the Americans here (which there are a lot of now this is bs). It’s just not going to happen unless the us invades Panama

sucks that the us made a bad deal years ago but trump might just have to live with this one. I suspect a year from now nothing will have changed and trump won’t bring it up again

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im all for a lot of what trump is doing but none of this is true it’s just you repeating trumps rambling. Having just been in Panama I’ll tell you even the Americans here (which there are a lot of now this is bs). It’s just not going to happen unless the us invades Panama

sucks that the us made a bad deal years ago but trump might just have to live with this one. I suspect a year from now nothing will have changed and trump won’t bring it up again

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I wouldn't count on that.

You guys have no idea how pleased I am with what Trump is doing - the golden years for our country are beginning - one thing is amazing is how much energy this guy has -

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You’re right Biden had a hard time putting a sentence together. But a “hot air balloon” can get deflated. We have/had one up here.


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Maybe you should look twice and see how he is terrorizing other countries if they don't bend to his wishes, give up the Panama Canal, sell Greenland and last but but least, have us as a 51st state. Fortunately he's on his second and last term.

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Maybe you should look twice and see how he is terrorizing other countries if they don't bend to his wishes, give up the Panama Canal, sell Greenland and last but but least, have us as a 51st state. Fortunately he's on his second and last term.

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Stir the pot,crank up the lefties,troll the wingies for sure. Terrorize? I don't think so. It's all designed to cause a reaction from people who don't know any better.It seems like it's working well.

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We will soon see the ones he is threatening will continue to do the same thing. After trumps little talk with China ,China then had a 90 minute discussion with Russia. I dout they talked much about the usa or trump , they aren't to worried about what others are doing they are working on their own goals. Russia and Iran just singed a treaty amongst them in the days leading up to trumps term.

As for usa taking territories it's just a show.
Panama has already said no and that the Chinese do not operate and is run by Panama . China does have ports on both ends but that is nothing out of the norm they have ports all over the world. If they want an economic war who will they turn too? China perhaps?

Really what are they going to do ?

Government's actions just made a China app explode the little red book was the just most downloaded app last week in Canada and the usa. And they were worried about tic tok security risks lol. Again smoke and mirrors as the data is stored in Texas . It's about control not security tic tok showed what was happening in gaza the government doesn't control its content like all the other platforms meta ,Google, you tube ect .....

And here we are still trying to figure out what to do . Early elections more mandates why because trumps in office?

What about the 52 or 62 billion we spent on ev mandates for trump to demolish in the states. Hahah



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When the USA needs Canadian energy and recourses they will just take over. This is not if, it's just a matter of when.

Canada has zero chance to do anything about it and we all know it! :)

Will make my move to Texas a lot easier! lol

Well when you come to think about it having Canada a part of the U.S. would be a win win for both countries- Canada may have natural resources but they have no infrastructure to develop and use it - as an example crude oil is sold to the US at a bargain price because Canada has no refineries or pipe lines or ocean ports to sell the oil anywhere else - when we start drilling down here we will not need any Canadian oil - Canadians should sit back and think of Trump's proposal for their benefit -

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When the USA needs Canadian energy and recourses they will just take over. This is not if, it's just a matter of when.

Canada has zero chance to do anything about it and we all know it! :)

Will make my move to Texas a lot easier! lol

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Well when you come to think about it having Canada a part of the U.S. would be a win win for both countries- Canada may have natural resources but they have no infrastructure to develop and use it - as an example crude oil is sold to the US at a bargain price because Canada has no refineries or pipe lines or ocean ports to sell the oil anywhere else - when we start drilling down here we will not need any Canadian oil - Canadians should sit back and think of Trump's proposal for their benefit -

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No thanks, don't want to live in a country of gun nuts, mass shootings every time you turn around. Infrastructure can be built here to suit our own needs, we don't need to be puppets to a bunch of wacko's.

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No thanks, don't want to live in a country of gun nuts, mass shootings every time you turn around. Infrastructure can be built here to suit our own needs, we don't need to be puppets to a bunch of wacko's.

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Well when you come to think about it having Canada a part of the U.S. would be a win win for both countries- Canada may have natural resources but they have no infrastructure to develop and use it - as an example crude oil is sold to the US at a bargain price because Canada has no refineries or pipe lines or ocean ports to sell the oil anywhere else - when we start drilling down here we will not need any Canadian oil - Canadians should sit back and think of Trump's proposal for their benefit -

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We should have had our own refineries decades ago.

As for the drilling he has 2 problems the first is he will be blocked by many government's and non government agencies. Hopefully I'm wrong the second who you going to sell it to ? Do you have buyers lined up for American oil? If it's not cheaper why will others buy it.? It will lower the amount of oil we ship down.

On the plus your fuel price will go down.

We are hypocrites here we have to lower our fuel consumption or pay the price while we pump and ship it for profits lol.

I was remembering about 58 cents a liter today lol.

And 50 cent minnows that is now 10 bucks .





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China just came out with deepseek an alternative to open ai at a fraction of the cost. 30 x cheaper it had our stocks tanking today nvidia fell 16% today.

What's trumps tariffs going to do ? They are ment for temporary solutions what are his solutions to create a competitive product for 7 plus billion people?

What's his threat to Russia tariffs lol. Who cares tariffs only work if if that country is selling to your country. What products will trump tax coming in from Russia very little.

We need to be able to sell an affordable product if you want to keep up. If your not biulding the product somewhere else will.

What trump is forgetting is that an American first represents just 330 million from a world of 8 billion people.


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Calling Americans "gun nuts" and "wackos" isn't insulting? Coulda fooled me. I've had infractions from mods for less.

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Its ok - when a progressive liberal calls you names you know that what your doing is the right thing - this guy is jealous because he doesn't have the freedom to arm himself - in fact he doesn't have the freedom to do anything -

The U.S. is on a roll and nothing is going to stop it - Trump is just what this country needed - just think what would happen if the U.S. stopped buying Canada's oil and cars -

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Its ok - when a progressive liberal calls you names you know that what your doing is the right thing - this guy is jealous because he doesn't have the freedom to arm himself - in fact he doesn't have the freedom to do anything -

The U.S. is on a roll and nothing is going to stop it - Trump is just what this country needed - just think what would happen if the U.S. stopped buying Canada's oil and cars -

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OH Joe what's the point of having the freedom to arm oneself if you have to live in fear and arm yourself because of the society you created.

I did not live in the USA for a second(visited as tourist many times).I have never had a feeling or a sense of a fear by anyone I saw or talked with.

This.

I watched a 10 minute video yesterday about the firefighting drones. .
They biult this new overhead rail line in just 7 months. These are also high end suvs they are showing the regular vehicles with a 100% tariff would still be competitive. The problem is how will America compete besides tariffs because that isn't a long time solution . It's meant for as a temporary solution until we can come back with a competitive product.

China already biuld the future while we are trying to figure out if we are male or female or both lol

https://youtu.be/-Zv1hzqGMrY?si=ugCxvRL3-iOlPFeS

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The main reason democratic countries world wide are in some way or another in turmoil is because of our over reliance on non democratic countries for cheap goods. We will continue to cannibalize our fellow free living allies in an attempt to be on better footing against the true menace. Until we can coordinate a better system where we can see each other as equals, this back and forth policy making to hurt each other will continue.

This infighting is just what non-democracies like to see. Our instability is their advantage.

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Soon my friend, as soon as we become the 51st state! lol

Well let me say this - the reason a country like China has an advantage over many others is because there is the ability to move the country in one direction- here in he U.S we have a Democrat push the country in one direction for a couple years then in comes a Republican and he moves the country in an opposite direction- - all kind of time and effort is expended and we end up no where

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Well let me say this - the reason a country like China has an advantage over many others is because there is the ability to move the country in one direction- here in he U.S we have a Democrat push the country in one direction for a couple years then in comes a Republican and he moves the country in an opposite direction- - all kind of time and effort is expended and we end up no where

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First thing I can agree with you. All to often the need to win overrides the benefit of finding a middle ground.

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well stone throwing then. Either way not helpful. But I’m pretty sure you meant it as an insult. Don’t stoop to trumps level

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Its ok - when a progressive liberal calls you names you know that what your doing is the right thing - this guy is jealous because he doesn't have the freedom to arm himself - in fact he doesn't have the freedom to do anything -

The U.S. is on a roll and nothing is going to stop it - Trump is just what this country needed - just think what would happen if the U.S. stopped buying Canada's oil and cars -

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Oh so now I'm a progressive liberal and jealous and don't have guns. Well, I've never voted liberal and jealous of what, you, never. Guns, yes I go hunting, don't need them to look tough. Glad my father chose to come to Canada in the 50's rather then the USA. I'm done with this guy.

keep the personal attacks down guys, or I'll close the thread.

It's not a personal attack, I don't think I've ever mentioned the persons name. I just don't believe we (Canadians) should ever have to cowtow to any other countries politicians and ideas pushed by their citizens.

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I wouldn't wait for that to happen lol.

Maybe he can get Google to change it like the gulf of America lol. Where only the Americans will have the illusion.

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So the trump man has ditched the WHO and Paris agreements.

Guess who just stepped up? China yep they will now fill the gap left behind from the usa. Was also reading last week another partner was going to give them 100s of millions they want for their Paris agreements

China will now lead both as the next largest economy. When you look at the map for the Paris agreements it's just the usa left out now. Last time trump left the partnerships also stepped up and delivered the funds.

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We can't really blame China the partnerships have just as much responsibly as they are the ones who moved away from America and Canada for profits . Hbsc is doing it now they are leaving the uk and others for Asia.

Fun fact Chinas real wage income in the last 25 years has quadrupled while the average American has stalemate the last 45.

I guess that's why it was easier for a young person to go out on his own and raise a family in their own homes back in the 80s.

We get a raise and the prices only goes up so yeah we make more money but in reality we can only buy the same as we did before the raise. Then taxes go up and look we can afford less then what we did when we made less lol.

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So the trump man has ditched the WHO and Paris agreements.

Guess who just stepped up? China yep they will now fill the gap left behind from the usa. Was also reading last week another partner was going to give them 100s of millions they want for their Paris agreements

China will now lead both as the next largest economy. When you look at the map for the Paris agreements it's just the usa left out now. Last time trump left the partnerships also stepped up and delivered the funds.

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We can't really blame China the partnerships have just as much responsibly as they are the ones who moved away from America and Canada for profits . Hbsc is doing it now they are leaving the uk and others for Asia.

Fun fact Chinas real wage income in the last 25 years has quadrupled while the average American has stalemate the last 45.

I guess that's why it was easier for a young person to go out on his own and raise a family in their own homes back in the 80s.

We get a raise and the prices only goes up so yeah we make more money but in reality we can only buy the same as we did before the raise. Then taxes go up and look we can afford less then what we did when we made less lol.

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China already controlled the WHO - when the US was funding it. Pulling the funding from that was sort of an 20-20 hindsight no-brainer.

China signed onto the Paris accord in 2016. They agreed to cut emissions by 20%. Since then there emissions have increased by more than 20%.

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China already controlled the WHO - when the US was funding it. Pulling the funding from that was sort of an 20-20 hindsight no-brainer.

China signed onto the Paris accord in 2016. They agreed to cut emissions by 20%. Since then there emissions have increased by more than 20%.

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I think more should pull out of it also. If it's just the usa they can live without them and will just get the funds elsewhere. If his plan was to ditch them and they would fall it might not work . Someone said it was trap for trump I can see how as it takes them off the global stage.

China isn't supposed to peak its emissions for a few years they say 2030.
They said the quit part out load at the davos event and said it was about the profits lol. Huge profits to be made from it lol.



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Isn’t it sad that we have been great neighbors for hundreds of years. One man as a negotiation tactic says we’re not and we’re suddenly slinging insults back and forth.
Nothing has changed. We do not get 250billion in deficits from the US. It’s just exaggerated numbers.

It’s a fraction of that and that is made up of drastically discounted crude oil that the us wants or at least has wanted

I fully agree with taking care of your country first and we should do the same but there is a lot of win/win opportunities

I look forward to the day that they hash out the trade agreements again and we can suddenly go back to being good neighbours or neighbors depending on where you live

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Isn’t it sad that we have been great neighbors for hundreds of years. One man as a negotiation tactic says we’re not and we’re suddenly slinging insults back and forth.
Nothing has changed. We do not get 250billion in deficits from the US. It’s just exaggerated numbers.

It’s a fraction of that and that is made up of drastically discounted crude oil that the us wants or at least has wanted

I fully agree with taking care of your country first and we should do the same but there is a lot of win/win opportunities

I look forward to the day that they hash out the trade agreements again and we can suddenly go back to being good neighbours or neighbors depending on where you live

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I believe your sentiments are right on the money. Unfortunately,our fiscal and trade policies have been really bad in the last 10 years. Now,we're faced with the consequences of lousy governmental policy in almost every aspect. We need to adopt policies that allow us to CYA quite quickly. Is our current government capable of such action? There isn't a snowball's chance in H*##. We may have to eat these tarrifs,at least,in the short term until we can oust the current regime.

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I believe your sentiments are right on the money. Unfortunately,our fiscal and trade policies have been really bad in the last 10 years. Now,we're faced with the consequences of lousy governmental policy in almost every aspect. We need to adopt policies that allow us to CYA quite quickly. Is our current government capable of such action? There isn't a snowball's chance in H*##. We may have to eat these tarrifs,at least,in the short term until we can oust the current regime.

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Agreed 100%. Can’t happen soon enough

Trump realizes that the biggest threat to the U.S. is the debt and it is imperative that it be reduced- when you look at all the money spent around the world you realize that something must be done - we fund nearly everything while other countries watch - this can't continue - we were funding WHO at the highest level even though our population is much smaller than China's or India's - we have our military all over the world protecting other countries- why? - our trade deficit with many countries is out of wack - there is no doubt that the U. S. and Canada will come to an agreement that serves both countries - things will go easier if a conservative takes the helm in Canada -

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Trump realizes that the biggest threat to the U.S. is the debt and it is imperative that it be reduced- when you look at all the money spent around the world you realize that something must be done - we fund nearly everything while other countries watch - this can't continue - we were funding WHO at the highest level even though our population is much smaller than China's or India's - we have our military all over the world protecting other countries- why? - our trade deficit with many countries is out of wack - there is no doubt that the U. S. and Canada will come to an agreement that serves both countries - things will go easier if a conservative takes the helm in Canada -

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The bases all over the world is a great expense
Think Musk was tweeting ways and cuts that totaled hundreds of billions in annual savings.

Trump wants the taliban to give back the military equipment they just refused lol.

Speaking of military all the those bases around the world isn't enough for the Americans to Winn a war. Sadly they have lost pretty much every one since Vietnam . They lost the Vietnam War they lost the Afghanistan war they lost to Iraq they are loosing in Ukraine's proxy . Isreal just lost its goal to defeat hamas that was the whole purpose yet they only managed to destroy the city and kill 10s of thousands of civilians including 10s of thousands of children. It's a Loss in my books as they said the main goal was to eliminate hamas and they did not..

However they did just let a former al qaeda leader take over Syria I guess that's a win in their books. They are just rebals not know terrorists lol. Too funny

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All is good but it was said months ago that they were not going to creat a new currency. Rather biuld a new trading system or platform. Essentially a new swift system.

It could be any currency and or commodity including grains, oils, metals , working trades ect . Most of all digital currency they are all working on it.

Do you know how many companies in Canada and the usa who pay in the Chinese yuan rmb? Lots. Canada made it happen since 2015 for cross border payments. Partners just being Partners. They already told you what they want we just need to recognize it.

https://mcmillan.ca/insights/interna...yments-in-rmb/

https://www.reuters.com/article/busi...idUSL2N0WP27M/
Was the fastest growing currency in 2024.

So 100% tarrifs if they create a new currency. Most likely won't happen as they will use their own currencies.



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I'm hearing that Indonesia and India will settle its trades thought its local currencies. Was talk about it while back in 2023-2024 .

How do you punish them for not using American dollars between 2 different countries. That isn't even dealing with them, if they buy from India using the rupees what's the problem? Americans can't benefit off it that's all.





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So Canada will be slapped with terrifs . Instead of working with them we focused on retaliation measures. Liberals have proposed a pandemic type stimulus for those that will be affected. To bad they can't pass anything while they suspended Parliament. Just a ploy for more votes.

With carney running its will be no different than a Trudeau government and the lids are will be desperate for a win.

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So Canada will be slapped with terrifs . Instead of working with them we focused on retaliation measures. Liberals have proposed a pandemic type stimulus for those that will be affected. To bad they can't pass anything while they suspended Parliament. Just a ploy for more votes.

With carney running its will be no different than a Trudeau government and the lids are will be desperate for a win.

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We all should know that "working with a bully" only makes things worse. The only thing a bully understands is a swift kick right in the berries. I'm amazed that everyone is in poopy pants mode this early when,in fact,tariffs are paid by the importer (American) who passes them on to their customers (American) sending their prices higher,first. If the importer can secure a domestic source quickly at a lower price,then,tariffs will work sooner rather than later. The "trickle down affect" will come back to the Canadian supplier resulting in lost orders,lower production and in many cases,layoffs sending the unemployment rate up. If the American importer can't secure a domestic source at a lower cost (fat chance or they already would have) ,then,they're faced with two options....bite the bullet until or shut down their operations. My point is,they have much more to lose with tariffs than without. For Canadian exporters,the only choice is to either scale back operations or apply some foresight,seize the opportunity to secure international markets abroad and supply them with lucrative contracts to keep their businesses running. When the Americans realize they're on the poopy end of the stick and ask to re-establish supply lines,our answer should be "Sorry,we're maxxed out. Can't help you".

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We all should know that "working with a bully" only makes things worse. The only thing a bully understands is a swift kick right in the berries. I'm amazed that everyone is in poopy pants mode this early when,in fact,tariffs are paid by the importer (American) who passes them on to their customers (American) sending their prices higher,first. If the importer can secure a domestic source quickly at a lower price,then,tariffs will work sooner rather than later. The "trickle down affect" will come back to the Canadian supplier resulting in lost orders,lower production and in many cases,layoffs sending the unemployment rate up. If the American importer can't secure a domestic source at a lower cost (fat chance or they already would have) ,then,they're faced with two options....bite the bullet until or shut down their operations. My point is,they have much more to lose with tariffs than without. For Canadian exporters,the only choice is to either scale back operations or apply some foresight,seize the opportunity to secure international markets abroad and supply them with lucrative contracts to keep their businesses running. When the Americans realize they're on the poopy end of the stick and ask to re-establish supply lines,our answer should be "Sorry,we're maxxed out. Can't help you".

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Now is the time to explore new markets, restructure sectors to balance unemployment. And at the very least, have a spine and be patriotic.

Yet if we came up with a proper plan to protect our boarders and reduce the amount fentanyl coming in we probably could of avoided any tarrifs at all. That would of been a Win win for both economy's In many ways.

Canadians can't afford to play games or an increase in living. It's said that 63 % of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Most don't have a 1000 if they need it.

Here in Canada I was reading a story about the 200 stimulus we just got and it was for a cat vet appointment. Without it she had to cancel it because her cheuqe bounced she only made it because of the benefit. Pretty sad.

The consequences could have a devastating impact on many Canadians.



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Yet if we came up with a proper plan to protect our boarders and reduce the amount fentanyl coming in we probably could of avoided any tarrifs at all. That would of been a Win win for both economy's In many ways.

Canadians can't afford to play games or an increase in living. It's said that 63 % of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Most don't have a 1000 if they need it.

Here in Canada I was reading a story about the 200 stimulus we just got and it was for a cat vet appointment. Without it she had to cancel it because her cheuqe bounced she only made it because of the benefit. Pretty sad.

The consequences could have a devastating impact on many Canadians.



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First,you need to understand that Fentanyl coming into Canada isn't the issue. It's Fentanyl coming from Canada into the US is what Trump is using as an excuse to apply tariffs. The number is ridiculously small. There's more coming into Canada from the US than is going out. Secondly,there's a hell of a lot more Canadians living pay cheque to pay cheque than Americans by almost 20% according to records from TDCanada Trust with almost 10% of Canadian families relying on food banks. Third,there's no denying that we're going to hurt,badly,by Trump's trade war,but,so are the Americans and in some cases much worse. That's why these policies of lose-lose make ZERO sense.

I understand that the majority of fentanyl is going into usa from elsewhere . Also knew Canadians are worse off financially but as for the Americans they have slipping fast under the Biden administration. So the numbers are good to show when as they had more savings a few years back. I guess that's the problem with know what the people have.

You'd think that securing our boarders would be a benefit to everyone including Canadians. 102 ems calls responding on average per day to our overdoses in 2023 . How many guns and other drugs are coming across. We have our own problems related to the boarders it would of been nice to actually work on a problem for once.

Trump threatened Columbia too but instead they worked together and 0 tarrifs.

Panama is working deals it may revoke a deal with China. 2 wins no tariffs just worked together.

What would be better for Canadians? A secure boarder or an economic war when many can't rub a few hundred dollars together. I hear most still need to renew their mortgage this year they will be paying more leaving them with less already.

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A country has the right to be self sufficient- to produce what it wants and needs - the U.S. is now importing much more than it exports and as a result the wealth of the country is leaving - how do you stop this trend - by adding to the price of what is being brought in - yes there will be some pain as things settle themselves out but something had to be done- - our debt is approaching 37 trillion dollars - Trump is a smart guy when it comes to business - he knows what he is doing- I agree with Trimmer - there isn't much Fentanyl coming in from Canada but he needs an excuse to use the war powers act to establish the tariffs -

I read where some Canadians threaten to cut off the delivery of electricity to some parts of the U.S. right at the start of the Super Bowl - bad idea - this could cascade into a very large black out and start a war - an excuse to invade Canada and make it the 51st state -

After ten years of crapping on the Canadian flag now Justin Trudeau is wrapping himself in it. I don't feel an ounce of "patriotism" for his post national state.

The only way Canada can prevail in this dispute is to visit maximum pain on individual Americans. Tariffs won't cut it but embargoes might. Stop all potash shipments to America. We supply almost 90% of potash to America. They can't grow sufficient food and feed crops without it and can't easily replace it from other sources. Then stop all grain shipments to the U.S. and let their cattle starve and American bellies go empty.

It would be devastating for farmers and potash miners in Canada but no worse than what will happen to auto workers in Ontario. Our proudly feminist Prime Minister, however, is far too weak to even contemplate such a move.

This situation is actually a showcase of who "our" politicians THINK, we are.

I can not see ONE real reason why SOMEONE(with whom Trump would be willing to negotiate-he despises Trudeau for many reasons-mostly because he sees thru that guy)did not go to try to work out a deal for Canada?
He is a businessman, and we NEVER even tried to make a DEAL !!! Why ???

At the end of them negotiations-we could still LOOSE -and have the tariffs coming this way,but hey ,at least we would be able to tell the nation-we did everything we could,and got nowhere with it.
THEN hitting back would be something USA would look at with some" elements of respect".

I am afraid-Canada is actually missing some BIG CALIBER Politicians !!!

Not one in sight,as far i can see.......

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Blame other countries is the easiest thing to do. How about looking in the mirror and realizing your own US companies are doing the outsourcing to cheaper labour countries. Punish your own companies first, then look at it again. If you didn't import all the junk from China where most of it ends up in dumps after a short period, half the problem would be solved, you would be employing workers at home again.

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A country has the right to be self sufficient- to produce what it wants and needs - the U.S. is now importing much more than it exports and as a result the wealth of the country is leaving - how do you stop this trend - by adding to the price of what is being brought in - yes there will be some pain as things settle themselves out but something had to be done- - our debt is approaching 37 trillion dollars - Trump is a smart guy when it comes to business - he knows what he is doing- I agree with Trimmer - there isn't much Fentanyl coming in from Canada but he needs an excuse to use the war powers act to establish the tariffs -

I read where some Canadians threaten to cut off the delivery of electricity to some parts of the U.S. right at the start of the Super Bowl - bad idea - this could cascade into a very large black out and start a war - an excuse to invade Canada and make it the 51st state -

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So you realize all he is doing is increasing your cost of living right?

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Blame other countries is the easiest thing to do. How about looking in the mirror and realizing your own US companies are doing the outsourcing to cheaper labour countries. Punish your own companies first, then look at it again. If you didn't import all the junk from China where most of it ends up in dumps after a short period, half the problem would be solved, you would be employing workers at home again.

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I agree with you about U.S. companies going overseas for cheap labor but the tariffs will stop this because it will make their products more expensive and many will return to the U.S. - one thing you have to admit is that Trump is shaking up things - he is cleaning. house -

Trump is only asking Canada to provide more border security otherwise the USA will do it and pay for it out of tariffs. The Liberals do not like funding the security services (CBSA Police Military etc.) and hence are deflecting this whole issue to be a US vs Canada thing. All the booing and disrespect of the US reflects badly on Canada, it is not who we are.

The world has entered into a phase of global political conflict, which seems to be expanding. Typically in times of global unrest governments tend to be more Conservative, Liberal governments do best in times of extended peace. Canada needs a leader of men, one who puts the society of Canada first, there is only one political leader who currently reflects that standard.

Trump delayed tariffs on Mexico for a month because Mexico is giving in and ready to negotiate- Canada will follow - I go fishing a lot in Ontario and I remember one time coming back we made the mistake of hitting the border on a Saturday- when we got to the Thousand Islands bridge it was all backed up- like a parking lot - there was a cop directing traffic and I asked him if there was an accident- he said that this happens every week end - Canadians travel to the U.S. to buy everything a lot cheaper than what they have to pay at home - the shelfs in some of the big box are stripped by the Canadians - why buy Canadian when you can buy it a lot cheaper in the U.S. -

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Trump delayed tariffs on Mexico for a month because Mexico is giving in and ready to negotiate- Canada will follow - I go fishing a lot in Ontario and I remember one time coming back we made the mistake of hitting the border on a Saturday- when we got to the Thousand Islands bridge it was all backed up- like a parking lot - there was a cop directing traffic and I asked him if there was an accident- he said that this happens every week end - Canadians travel to the U.S. to buy everything a lot cheaper than what they have to pay at home - the shelfs in some of the big box are stripped by the Canadians - why buy Canadian when you can buy it a lot cheaper in the U.S. -

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I could've sworn Trump said there was nothing Canada and Mexico could do to avoid tariffs. It sounds more to me like he is stalling because everyone called his bluff. Now he will have a month to figure out his supply routes and a different strategy.

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It will also make the products more expensive biulding them at home. So the question is can they innovate enough to make a competitive product for less? If not hundreds of billions will wasted if they come home and the world still wants cheaper products they will buy elsewhere. It's 4% of the population they need to please the other 96. The brics currently represent 55 to 60%

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I could've sworn Trump said there was nothing Canada and Mexico could do to avoid tariffs. It sounds more to me like he is stalling because everyone called his bluff. Now he will have a month to figure out his supply routes and a different strategy.

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I guess when you don't try they just slapp you back lol. I'm sure if we put some thought into it we could of came to a conclusion that would benefit us all. If we wanted to actually make a deal I'm sure no tariffs could of been applied to the deal. Maybe it would of helped with our shootings too as the majority of them is a boarder issue guns coming across illegally.

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Invasion? LOL.

My only concern about Canada shutting the lights off in America on Big Game Day is it would make Justin Trudeau so popular he'd be re-elected in a landslide.

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My only concern about Canada shutting the lights off in America on Big Game Day is it would make Justin Trudeau so popular he'd be re-elected in a landslide.

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Canada has 82 battle tanks - the U.S. has 4650 Abrams battle tanks - yes an invasion-

Oh so now you are threatening us.

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And they'll all sink crossing the great lakes. So with this American invasion what do you expect Nato to do? Sure Russia would also throw in support for Alaska.
Come on Joe I'm sure you jest if not get a reality check as as a man spewing south end garbage out a north end opening is a sad site to behold

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And they'll all sink crossing the great lakes. So with this American invasion what do you expect Nato to do? Sure Russia would also throw in support for Alaska.
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The Trumpster is just throwing darts to see what sticks. I wouldn’t get too excited. He just doesn’t want to be surrounded by liberals:)


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Super Bowl is pretty important to them. You can threaten their food supply without getting much of a reaction but don't mess with America's highest of holy holidays. The Father, the Son and the NFL is America's holy trinity.

I wonder if the US remembers who saved their diplomats in Iran or fought with them in the Gulf War 1 and Afghanistan or does Trump remember 9/11.

Where did those planes land? I think the US owes Canada and not the other way around. I'm think the bill for each plane that landed in Canada is worth 100 Billion @ 38 planes. So that means the US owes Canada 3.8 trillion and I think the US Citizens need to once again tell Canadians that we are the greatest friends they have ever had.

Please send the 5 Trillion this week (had to round to a nice number).

Joepa let's not forget Trump only ended up with around 49% of the popular vote. That is a far cry from a majority. And my guess is with his latest shenanigans, some "MAGA" voters might be having a hangover. I doubt highly that an invasion could take place as it would not be in the best interest of the American people. Something tells me the military would not follow his orders.

He may be your president, but that doesn't mean all Americans feel the same way. At least 50% would disagree.

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I wonder if the US remembers who saved their diplomats in Iran or fought with them in the Gulf War 1 and Afghanistan or does Trump remember 9/11.

Where did those planes land? I think the US owes Canada and not the other way around. I'm think the bill for each plane that landed in Canada is worth 100 Billion @ 38 planes. So that means the US owes Canada 3.8 trillion and I think the US Citizens need to once again tell Canadians that we are the greatest friends they have ever had.

Please send the 5 Trillion this week (had to round to a nice number).

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OK - 5 trillion - now lets subtract the savings that Canada realized over all the years from not needing to build a large military force to defend itself but rather depended on the US to do that - 5 trillion minus 5.3 trillion = .3 trillion - you owe us - but being a nice guy I'll call it even -

It looks like Mexico and Canada got the message and no tariffs will be needed for now - also we can call the invasion off -

After Trump and JT talked on the phone...........4 : 36 pm today
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Canada has agreed to ensure we have a secure Northern Border, and to finally end the deadly scourge of drugs like Fentanyl that have been pouring into our Country, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, while destroying their families and communities all across our Country.

Canada will implement their $1.3 Billion Border plan, and as per Prime Minister Trudeau, will be, “reinforcing the Border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are, and will be, working on protecting the Border. In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the Border, launch a Canada-U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl, and we will be backing it with $200 million.”......


Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together

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I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.

In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.

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After Trump and JT talked on the phone...........4 : 36 pm today
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Canada has agreed to ensure we have a secure Northern Border, and to finally end the deadly scourge of drugs like Fentanyl that have been pouring into our Country, killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, while destroying their families and communities all across our Country.

Canada will implement their $1.3 Billion Border plan, and as per Prime Minister Trudeau, will be, “reinforcing the Border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are, and will be, working on protecting the Border. In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the Border, launch a Canada-U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl, and we will be backing it with $200 million.”......


Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together

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I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.

In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.

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Poor ol' Justin. That pathetic soft on crime we don't need military spending Liberal jacka**'s butthole must have puckered so tight he won't be able to crap for a week.

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Wondering how they came up with 10 000 troops Mexico will also use 10 00 troops to protect their boarder. Are the drugs coming through the Bush or a regular crossing ?

Also Canada and the usa has now labeled the cartell a terrorist organization. That could escalate military actions


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I do not know if it going to make any difference in the long run but it was a very small ray of sunshine in another gloomy day. The latest credible poll I saw this morning of U.S. Registered Voters. Oppose the tariffs 51%, support the tariffs 38%. I think some of them still remember what Canada has done not some bull dung about he amounts of fentanyl and illegal immigrants we are sending across the border. He is stirring the pot and I fear will continue to for the next four years. We all have to get used to it and we will all have to continue to react with strong, thoughtful fore sight.
Now China is hitting back and the U.K. and E.U. may not be far behind if it all starts to affect them
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I hate to give credit to Trudeau but is seems he hornswoggled the old orange fella. The program Trump is bragging about was implemented last December. The only thing new is a "Fentanyl Czar" and putting a couple of drug cartels on the terror list.

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Handling this tariff thing may actually cement our beloved Liberals in power...

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It will be an election against trump lol.

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it wouldn't be the first time the US has put a government in place in a different country

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Trudeau is fooling nobody,especially,President Trump. AS for winning the next election,that ship sailed and sunk,too.

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problem is you need a majority because if you don't the libs/semi libs(NDP)/Fench libs(BLOC) will hold a confidence bill within a week

Trumps all over the map he wants the minerals in Ukraine. He wants to take over gaza that was quickly shut down lol. He still has no clue how to end the war in Ukraine.

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Trumps all over the map he wants the minerals in Ukraine. He wants to take over gaza that was quickly shut down lol. He still has no clue how to end the war in Ukraine.

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End the war in Ukraine by stopping news coverage (especially the fake stuff)

The only clue he has with his so called billionaire friend is putting the middle and lesser class people out of work. The only thing he has on his mind is getting retribution for anyone one who tried to put him in jail re Jan 6 and the White House files, namely approximately 5,000 FBI agents that were only following orders. The guy is nothing but a felon and a flake… just the kind of guy you want as a president and running your country. I.e. into the ground.

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The only clue he has with his so called billionaire friend is putting the middle and lesser class people out of work. The only thing he has on his mind is getting retribution for anyone one who tried to put him in jail re Jan 6 and the White House files, namely approximately 5,000 FBI agents that were only following orders. The guy is nothing but a felon and a flake… just the kind of guy you want as a president and running your country. I.e. into the ground.

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"....We were only following orders...." That's what the Waffen SS Generals said as they faced the firing squads. Good riddance! Your TDS is showing.

Trump is the greatest thing that ever happened to America- he and his staff are cleaning house - draining the swamp - getting rid of people and departments that for years have fed off the taxpayers hard work - for those of you who don't like him all I can say is stick around and see what he accomplishes over the next 4 years - you ain't seen nothing yet -

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JP: That is what the rest of the world, at least the sane ones, are scared to death about. Yes, we ain't seen nothing yet but we are starting to see countries and individuals starting to fight back. Let us just remember that it was a razor thin number of voters that got him in and a lot of them are are starting to or have already realized what a mistake they made putting that buffoon in charge of the world order. The guy who thinks he can change laws and your precious Constitution is going to find out that the will of the rest of planet earth has a lot more power than he has ever dreamed about and will come back on him and drain his swamp.
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First of all don't make the mistake of believing the so called polls - they are never right - the liberal press can't handle the fact that they got shot down in the election and continue to print false information- Trump won big - it's the electoral college votes that elect the president - and as far as what other countries think about what he is doing we can care less - we don't need anyone - because its been a one way street as far as who is helping who -

It must be the American way to blame all others for your shortcomings. It's never been a one way street, but that assumption sure shows us a lot of the American character. Old Dino said it once: "everybody needs somebody sometime". A little humble pie goes a long way, try it sometime.

A lot of America's blood and treasure has been spent helping other countries - often without any appreciation - our debt is nearly 37 trillion dollars - something has to be done or things will collapse- Trump is the man to get things done - why are we always defending Europe - if it wasn't for America the Russians would own and control Europe - who stopped the spread of communism- - now when we want to even out the trade deficiencies other countries start crying - I say - tough darts -

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I agree far to many have been milking the government's teets for far too long . I also understand many will get hurt in the process as it's been neglected for decades. I also see the ones I was worried about already trying to impeach him again. I again agree that trump was the best pick for what needs to be done. As I mentioned many times can he actually do what he says and needs to be done? That I'm against the fence on as there still needs to be a balance . No balance and we could see many more countries turn away from them isolating you guys even further.

Unfortunately tarrifs and sanctions can only go so far in today's age and personality think that Canada and Mexico are more worried than China. We've been slapping them for so long and they keep strong work around what we throw and continue to grow. The Huawei is good example we banned them too bad I really miss having one and would get one if I knew for sure I can even activate it to a plan. Where are they today? Doing well without us they will sell to the emerging world. Same as their ev cars. A small population isn't going to tell the world what they can buy especially if it's the if it's the smaller population the ones putting in the restrictions.

We need some long term plans what's our long time goal? To put in speed cameras everywhere to change our behavior habits? See alot of behavior change solutions lol.

We don't have one heck if been asking on here for years what's our plan ? More migration? More weed and alcohol sales every other TV add for awhile is about gambling. We going to biuld some rds joy lol. We are going to work on equity and equality great how does this fix our economy?. We are going to fix Climate change while the people fall and barely afford food as we put in regulations and creat a more expensive environment for everyone.

American dollars is still the largest funding and biulding the indo-pacific. But much of that would be private I here they can do whatever lol. It's for profits and we need them it's good . If not how would I ever be able to afford to retire comfortably lol. I guess I'll half to budget better cuz what I will get back won't be worth much by then.

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I think you're going after the wrong people. Post WW2, America made a great deal of wealth from its allies. Unfortunately you guys sold the "American dream" to China in return for cheaper goods. While a few got rich, the majority did not. Now your president is on a mission to make his allies pay for these mistakes. Doesn't seem right.

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I agree far to many have been milking the government's teets for far too long . I also understand many will get hurt in the process as it's been neglected for decades. I also see the ones I was worried about already trying to impeach him again. I again agree that trump was the best pick for what needs to be done. As I mentioned many times can he actually do what he says and needs to be done? That I'm against the fence on as there still needs to be a balance . No balance and we could see many more countries turn away from them isolating you guys even further.

Unfortunately tarrifs and sanctions can only go so far in today's age and personality think that Canada and Mexico are more worried than China. We've been slapping them for so long and they keep strong work around what we throw and continue to grow. The Huawei is good example we banned them too bad I really miss having one and would get one if I knew for sure I can even activate it to a plan. Where are they today? Doing well without us they will sell to the emerging world. Same as their ev cars. A small population isn't going to tell the world what they can buy especially if it's the if it's the smaller population the ones putting in the restrictions.

We need some long term plans what's our long time goal? To put in speed cameras everywhere to change our behavior habits? See alot of behavior change solutions lol.

We don't have one heck if been asking on here for years what's our plan ? More migration? More weed and alcohol sales every other TV add for awhile is about gambling. We going to biuld some rds joy lol. We are going to work on equity and equality great how does this fix our economy?. We are going to fix Climate change while the people fall and barely afford food as we put in regulations and creat a more expensive environment for everyone.

American dollars is still the largest funding and biulding the indo-pacific. But much of that would be private I here they can do whatever lol. It's for profits and we need them it's good . If not how would I ever be able to afford to retire comfortably lol. I guess I'll half to budget better cuz what I will get back won't be worth much by then.

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The easy answer is for our government to live within its means, like a normal household would. And to stop outsourcing for everything. Everyone would carry a bigger burden for awhile but in the long term we are better and stronger. Enough of the in fighting, more working together. Simple.

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The easy answer is for our government to live within its means, like a normal household would. And to stop outsourcing for everything. Everyone would carry a bigger burden for awhile but in the long term we are better and stronger. Enough of the in fighting, more working together. Simple.

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I like it.

We also need a clean out of the house. We are more than capable of being more reliant on ourselves while still producing for others.

How's it cheaper to import meat from half way around the world then our back yard.. Haven't gotten any of the Australian prime ribs yet nor any of the ungraded beef. Sorry I'll hit the next sale.

They will start feeding the Australian cows the pill to lower emissions this year so that too will go up in price lol.
Bovaer could be about 146 bucks more a year per head.

Maybe the package will say it's environmentally friendly beef. The green friendly cow.


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The easy answer is for our government to live within its means, like a normal household would. And to stop outsourcing for everything. Everyone would carry a bigger burden for awhile but in the long term we are better and stronger. Enough of the in fighting, more working together. Simple.

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Generally we do not agree -but i am 100% with you on this one.
Upped with - stop catering to "special groups", just because they are there...change the "Entitled" to a "Deserved",the "Unesessential"to a "Needed".
Things will fall in place fast enough.

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Generally we do not agree -but i am 100% with you on this one.
Upped with - stop catering to "special groups", just because they are there...change the "Entitled" to a "Deserved",the "Unesessential"to a "Needed".
Things will fall in place fast enough.

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That would be a great plan to stop wasting massive amounts of money.

What a federal judge so eloquently said after accusing Trump of brazenly defying the law by seeking to end birthright citizenship in the U.S. and issuing an injunction. Judge john Coughenour, a Reagan appointee stated
"It has become ever more apparent that to our President, the rule of law is but an impediment to his policy goals. The rule of law is according to him something to navigate around or simply ignore, whether that be for political or personal gain," the judge said. "nevertheless, in this courtroom and under my watch, the rule of law is a bright beacon which I intend to follow."
More and more people are starting to wake up and see this blathering fool for just what he is as he unleashes a constant stream of do do on his so called Truth Social.

The intent of the 14th Amendment to our constitution was to guarantee former slaves the right of citizenship not to give citizenship to babies born to illegal immigrants - this issue will eventually end up in the Supreme Court where I believe it will establish it's original intent - this blathering fool your referring to has closed the southern border- caused a ceasefire in the Middle East - cleaning up the waste in Washington- cleaning up the corrupt agencies in Washington- let the world know that the gravy train ain't running anymore- he is changing the landscape of the world- some fool - the fact that the judge had to throw his personal opinion about Trump pretty much tells you where he stands - a bum -

Oh I forgot to mention this so called fool got rid of the DEI - Woke - Trans - and all the other nonsense that the progressives put into place

Trump's executive order "overturning" the 14th Amendment won't survive. It's just a performative act to appeal to his base.

If an executive order were enough to amend the American constitution the 2nd Amendment would have been gone years ago.

JoePa: You are forgetting that the great man, in addition to your lengthy list of accomplishments has found the time to overturn the ban Plastic Straws so he will not have to worry about dribbling his diet pop. Wow, that is one important issue and I cannot remember for the life of me if it is Diet Coke or Diet Pepsi that he washes all those healthy fast food meals down with even though he feels it is important.
Also, I do not quite understand your comment about it being a "personal opinion". I would think it is more a case of of the judge explaining why he made his decision. Unlike the the POTUS, the judge is just trying to give a reason for his decision which is something he is supposed to do.
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Canada has 82 battle tanks - the U.S. has 4650 Abrams battle tanks - yes an invasion-

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Well, we though it over and decided, Canada cannot go to war with the USA.
We just can't feed that many prisoners, sorry.

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Well, we though it over and decided, Canada cannot go to war with the USA.
We just can't feed that many prisoners, sorry.

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Could we not just ship them to another country? I believe there is precedence for that. We could send them back to the USA but that could be construed cruel and inhumane punishment.
I do like the thought Judge.
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Oh I forgot to mention this so called fool got rid of the DEI - Woke - Trans - and all the other nonsense that the progressives put into place

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Over 240 million went to study Trans animal's. The funds will be cut.

Soros organizations got 100s of millions in funds. Cut

The doge has said there was 100 billion in stolen or fraud . That's only going through 1 percent.

Billions apparently went to the Bidens corporations and companies.

Millions went into the creation of covid 19 taxpayers help fund that too.

8 million to politico and millions to the other news outlets canceled. BBC apparently got millions to run anti trump campaigns.

billions to regime changes abroad along with funding the impeachment of trump in 2019 along with the Cia. Look at Syria as a latest example. How much us tax dollars went into overthrowing it's government. Through a variety of organizations using known terrorists to do its dirty work.


And the list can go on. The Clinton's they all use different organizations to create huge amounts of wealth through the taxpayers expenses.

Time to drain our swamp here too.



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Well, we though it over and decided, Canada cannot go to war with the USA.
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Don't lose any sleep over it Judge - no invasion is planned at this time - makes no sense in invading your 51 st state would it ? -

Sad you guys need to keep insulting each other because of one man stirring the pot.

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Come on - nobody is insulting anybody - just expressing our opinions - can't handle that - holy mackerel how thin skinned can you get -

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Come on - nobody is insulting anybody - just expressing our opinions - can't handle that - holy mackerel how thin skinned can you get -

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Oh I'm far from thinned skinned, just don't like seeing my fellow fisherman/hunters bicker because of one man who is intentionally stirring the pot. How quick we turn on each other is Sad in my mind.

Gotta remember Trump does not represent the entire population of the US.

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Oh I'm far from thinned skinned, just don't like seeing my fellow fisherman/hunters bicker because of one man who is intentionally stirring the pot. How quick we turn on each other is Sad in my mind.

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Well FishHog from Mooretown let me say this - it is good for people to express their opinions on different matters - that way we know what others are thinking and why - that's one of the problems today people don't communicate and we never solve any problems - I like to know what the other guy thinks and why - it lets me consider other options - for instance take the thought of Canada becoming a state - when you look at it simply from a national pride issue you get one conclusion but when you look at it from a practical point of view it makes a lot of sense- the average Canadian would benefit greatly from such a move - you would be able to buy that new boat that you always wanted because the price would be a lot lower - everything would be cheaper - and lastly the plans for an invasion would be tabled - meanwhile all is almost quiet at the southern front -

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Well FishHog from Mooretown let me say this - it is good for people to express their opinions on different matters - that way we know what others are thinking and why - that's one of the problems today people don't communicate and we never solve any problems - I like to know what the other guy thinks and why - it lets me consider other options - for instance take the thought of Canada becoming a state - when you look at it simply from a national pride issue you get one conclusion but when you look at it from a practical point of view it makes a lot of sense- the average Canadian would benefit greatly from such a move - you would be able to buy that new boat that you always wanted because the price would be a lot lower - everything would be cheaper - and lastly the plans for an invasion would be tabled - meanwhile all is almost quiet at the southern front -

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All quiet on the southern front lets really think about that. With Trumps isolationism policies you have to rely on your fellow Americans to produce the things you need. With a general work less and want to get paid more mentally what's going to happen. Yup your cost of living going up. Might not be to much of a concern for those that are working however if you're on a fixed income guess what you're in trouble.
Hope it works out for you but can't see it being that rosy of a future .

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Well FishHog from Mooretown let me say this - it is good for people to express their opinions on different matters - that way we know what others are thinking and why - that's one of the problems today people don't communicate and we never solve any problems - I like to know what the other guy thinks and why - it lets me consider other options - for instance take the thought of Canada becoming a state - when you look at it simply from a national pride issue you get one conclusion but when you look at it from a practical point of view it makes a lot of sense- the average Canadian would benefit greatly from such a move - you would be able to buy that new boat that you always wanted because the price would be a lot lower - everything would be cheaper - and lastly the plans for an invasion would be tabled - meanwhile all is almost quiet at the southern front -

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I've got a better idea, if you want to spout your political desires and thoughts, go join some political forums and leave this board to Outdoors stuff.

I’m going to give the president more time to see if what he’s doing is good work. If my American friends are happy I’m happy.

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I've got a better idea, if you want to spout your political desires and thoughts, go join some political forums and leave this board to Outdoors stuff.

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He already is by being here unless you haven't checked which thread you're on. There's other threads on this forum if you don't care for this one.

Here’s my prediction:
1) The 2026 US mid-term elections turn into a crap show as the White House refuses to recognize several results that would give the Democrats a majority in Congress.
2) Trump stays in the White House in 2028 by issuing an executive order that strikes down the 22nd Amendment… the US Supreme Court enables this.
3) Musk muscles out Vance

Well according to Trudeaus hot mic comments about trump taking over, it is a real serious threat lol.
If the only reason is economic stability well let them eat cake. They made their bed now they will live with it just as we are here are living it. .

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Here’s my prediction:
1) The 2026 US mid-term elections turn into a crap show as the White House refuses to recognize several results that would give the Democrats a majority in Congress.
2) Trump stays in the White House in 2028 by issuing an executive order that strikes down the 22nd Amendment… the US Supreme Court enables this.
3) Musk muscles out Vance

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If things continue as have been Trump will be much more popular than he is right now - he is doing so much good that his popularity is now higher than when he was elected - he will get an even bigger support from more Republicans being elected in 2026 - Musk is a sharp guy and It is good to have him around for advice -

Saturday at 12 - Trump has stated that if all of the hostages were not released by this time - all hell will break loose - should be very interesting- I'm waiting for Israel to take out Iran's nuclear infrastructure - should come any time now -

I deleted the original post until I could check it's authenticity and it checked out. This is scary stuff.

Feb 8 2025
Ottawa, Ontario

Surveillance operations have raised alarms after placing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and a former cabinet minister in proximity to Asian organized crime suspects.

Veteran law enforcement officials--both active and retired--from the United States and Canada have come forward with explosive allegations suggesting that Canada's federal government may have systematically obstructed investigations into the highest levels of Asian organized crime. According to these sources, American agencies, including the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, have grown so alarmed by suspected corruption and legal loopholes in Canada that they have effectively sidelined Canadian law enforcement from sensitive investigations and intelligence-sharing.

Several veterans of Canadian law enforcement argue that while U.S. President Donald Trump's critiques of Canada's handling of fentanyl trafficking and border security are politically charged and often harsh, they underscore an uncomfortable reality: Canada is increasingly perceived as compromised--either incapable or unwilling to confront entrenched transnational criminal networks. American and Canadian sources alike describe a nation whose law enforcement agencies are in disarray, inhibited by suspected infiltration at the highest levels, obstructing investigations into billion-dollar drug networks and money laundering operations.

These American and Canadian experts pointed to the notorious case of Cameron Ortis, Canada's former top police intelligence official, who was convicted of leaking Five Eyes signals intelligence to some of the world's most dangerous Iranian state-sponsored criminals. His case, still cloaked in national security secrecy, is believed to have also involved Chinese espionage investigations. But concerns about corruption within Canada's law enforcement and intelligence agencies extend far beyond Ortis himself, according to enforcement experts who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter.

Several said that U.S. officials suspect corruption within the ranks of Canadian border authorities, yet those suspects allegedly retained their security clearances.

"It was mind-boggling. The Americans would say, we have good reason to suspect that this particular CBSA officer is corrupt," a Canadian policing expert said. "This information would be provided to higher-ups in CBSA with the understanding that this particular CBSA officer is not to show up at any future joint meetings. So eventually there would be a meeting, and the CBSA officer in question would show up at the meeting. The lead American investigator would end the meeting before it started. The Americans would shake their heads in disgust and disbelief."

The expert said this growing distrust is a key reason why the United States has scaled back its collaboration with Canadian law enforcement over the past decade.

"The border as it's run now is--Homeland Security, they have no respect for CBSA, none," the expert said. "CBSA were seen as tax collectors for picking on families coming across the border with two bottles of wine and not actually doing police seizures of proper amounts of drugs coming through the border. It was a longstanding joke that they were basically collecting taxes for a mom and dad driving back with two packs of cigarettes and too many six-packs of beer, while behind it, there's a truck coming with 200, 300, 500 kilos of cocaine. It was just ridiculous. And that's how Homeland Security and DEA saw our CBSA.

"And I don't want to paint every CBSA officer with that brush as being useless--some of them are excellent people," they added. "But it's just run so poorly. The level of incompetence within Canadian law enforcement is staggering. I don't think people understand--if they did, they'd probably be too scared to know how bad it actually is."

Several veteran law enforcement officials say concerns extend beyond Canada's ability to confront transnational crime--to the country's political leadership itself. According to two RCMP experts, quiet surveillance operations have raised alarms after placing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and a former cabinet minister in proximity to Asian organized crime suspects.

"There were real concerns about Asian organized crime figures being at Liberal fundraisers with access to Prime Minister Trudeau," one veteran enforcement source said. "This is deeply concerning. It was openly discussed in some units. Again, when you are talking about billions of dollars in criminal profits, this equals real power and influence. I'm not accusing the Prime Minister or any politician of being corrupt. But we would be naive to think that ultra-rich criminals don't use their resources in an attempt to sway or influence prominent people."

Highlighting the elite capabilities of U.S. agencies they worked closely with, the expert added, "We dealt with Homeland Security on different investigations where they were using very sensitive intel techniques--as good as anything that exists for law enforcement. They could easily have captured criminals with information related to the Canadian government or other officials that might not come to light through Canadian investigations."

The police expert, explaining the decision to come forward at a pivotal moment in U.S.-Canada relations, argued that Canadians remain largely unaware of the nation's vulnerabilities.

"People have to be able to see and understand how bad it is. We are not even considered a serious partner, vis-?-vis Trump, at this point. Fentanyl coming from Canada to the USA isn't something Trump is just throwing out there. He's getting this information from top American law enforcement officials who know exactly how far Canada has fallen. And as a police officer who risked my life countless times alongside other brave men and women, I find it embarrassing that we've let our country get to this state."

According to multiple enforcement veterans, American agencies began withholding intelligence more than ten years ago after repeated incidents in which top‐secret files were jeopardized or blocked by Canadian legal demands.

"The level of stuff the Americans were willing to work with us on was incredible, but we were so hamstrung by Canadian disclosure laws and RCMP policies--written to protect the RCMP from potential embarrassments rather than to protect Canadians from actual dangers," said a federal veteran with direct knowledge of Five Eyes law enforcement.

The veteran described learning of briefings from senior Washington officials "where they showed how intelligence was disseminated, and it was shared with the Five Eyes partners--excluding Canada. It was embarrassing."

At the center of U.S. government alarm, sources believe, is the case of Sam Gor--one of the world's most powerful Triad drug trafficking networks, with reported links to Chinese Communist Party operatives, according to U.S. government experts such as former Trump State Department official David Asher.

Three Canadian experts said Australia had warned Canada about the threat posed by Sam Gor--also known as "The Company"--long before the RCMP recognized it as a major transnational syndicate. Widely regarded as a highly sophisticated enterprise, Sam Gor links Southeast Asian drug networks--responsible for trafficking tens of billions of dollars in fentanyl and methamphetamine--to global operations involving Latin American cartels and large-scale money laundering.

Canada's largest-ever money laundering investigation, E-Pirate, was directly linked to Sam Gor--a fact not widely disclosed, according to a Canadian source with direct knowledge of the case. The investigation collapsed in late 2019 after a police witness was exposed, resulting in a high-profile failure in federal court. Since then, Sam Gor's leaders have continued to exploit Canada for fentanyl trafficking and money laundering, facing little resistance. E-Pirate uncovered how their operations funneled billions in drug cash through British Columbia government casinos, hundreds of Chinese bank accounts, and vast pools of illicit funds circulating throughout Latin America.

"For example, the Americans--the intel these guys were giving us on money laundering associated to B.C. government casinos and the E-Pirate investigations--the Americans were more than willing to take this on, but it's in Canada," a veteran enforcement source said. "It was the Sam Gor crime group or The Company, as police sometimes call it. We had information on some of those people operating across Western Canada--these huge cells of Asian organized crime--and investigations would stall due to delays with approvals or shifting priorities, dictated ultimately by Ottawa."

The veteran enforcement expert said senior officers often voiced frustration that navigating the bureaucratic obstacles imposed by the RCMP was, at times, more difficult than pursuing the criminal networks themselves. "Obviously, checks and balances are needed when conducting police investigations," they said. "But the RCMP had become so risk-averse that it crippled countless Canadian investigations and left our foreign partners questioning Canada's commitment to fighting organized crime."

The very way in which the RCMP first became aware of Sam Gor stood as a stark example of Canada's systemic failures in policing and justice.

"With the Sam Gor group, the Australian Federal Police would meet with the RCMP and provide valuable information related to crimes taking place or originating in Canada. The AFP were professional and wanted to work with us. Yet again, we couldn't get traction from Ottawa to work these investigations."

That perspective--that Canada's allies lost trust in Ottawa's capacity to counter Chinese networks that directly threaten the United States--is shared by David Asher, a senior financial investigator whose career spans high-profile cases for the DEA and CIA.

In a previous interview, Asher told The Bureau that U.S. investigators believe Sam Gor's top leaders, based primarily in Toronto and Vancouver, function as the "command and control" hub for Western Hemisphere money laundering tied to fentanyl trafficking. American investigations indicate that fentanyl is primarily smuggled into the United States by the Sinaloa and Jalisco cartels, which work closely with Triad money brokers who finance drug trafficking, coordinate global logistics for laundering operations, and supply chemical precursors sourced from China.

"My own personal view is that this is a scheme that does have a high degree of command and control based on evidence through Canada. But it is not a scheme that we have managed to wholly penetrate due to, frankly, in my mind, inadequate cooperation from the Canadian government," Asher said. "The Canadian government has just not been--they're not the level of partners that we used to have. We used to have a great relationship with Canada, but it doesn't exist right now."

A Canadian source pointed to another particularly troubling case involving Asian organized crime networks.

"There was a source of information with global intelligence value--including Asian organized crime--but using this source was blocked by Ottawa due to a frivolous matter. The potential benefit for Canada and its partners was immense and far outweighed any concerns about the source. Yet we couldn't proceed. It was absurd."

It was another decision emblematic of Canada's failure to gather critical criminal intelligence. As a result, American law enforcement agencies began cultivating their own Canadian-based sources, having lost faith in the RCMP's ability--or willingness--to do so.

"Intelligence on transnational crime operating in Canada was, and still is, being gathered by Americans--not Canadians," an expert said.

And the consequences in this case extended far beyond Canada's borders.

"There were large drug busts in Europe that Canadian law enforcement could have potentially helped uncover earlier," the expert said, "but something within was always blocking us."

Multiple veterans said this misalignment in priorities was particularly evident when Cameron Ortis led RCMP intelligence. Ottawa dictated a list of national priorities for the Federal Unit, but these often diverged sharply from intelligence gathered directly by investigators and analysts with firsthand access to Canadian and foreign sources. Instead of targeting the most sophisticated organized crime networks, directives focused on smaller, more manageable crime groups--what officers saw as "low-hanging fruit"--while larger, deeply entrenched threats like Asian organized crime flourished. These groups had infiltrated Canada at all levels of high-level criminality, including drug trafficking, fentanyl production, and money laundering.

"Investigators and analysts would look at each other and say, 'This doesn't make any sense,'" a veteran enforcement source said. "We knew the threat that multi-billion-dollar crime groups posed went far beyond just lining their pockets with obscene riches. That type of money allows for influence over people, which would include people with political influence."

The veteran enforcement source painted a stark picture of how policing in Canada has changed over the past 15 years, describing modern RCMP investigations as "drastically neutered" compared to the past. Nowhere was this more evident, they said, than in the handling of human sources--criminals who cooperate with law enforcement, often at great risk to themselves.

"The handling of human sources can be highly effective even though it is fraught with risks," the expert said, calling it "just the nature of the beast."

But rather than refining their approach and learning from past missteps, the RCMP had instead imposed sweeping restrictions that effectively sidelined one of law enforcement's most powerful tools, they said.

"The current policies have crippled countless investigations," they said.

The shift had also strained Canada's relationship with its closest allies. When these policies were explained to American law enforcement partners, the reaction was disbelief. "They cannot fathom it, and it makes Canada appear reticent and scared." As a result, U.S. agencies increasingly recruit their own Canadian sources, knowing they cannot rely on Canada's federal police to do the same.

One expert said these restrictions had led many Canadian and American officers to question whether bureaucratic inertia was the sole reason for the shift--or "if something more sinister, like corruption, is taking place."

"If you want to derail investigations in Canada one place to start is by writing policies that handcuff hard-working officers from being able to do their jobs," they said. "If Cameron Ortis was corrupt, then who's to say that others in influential positions writing policies haven't been compromised? These are real concerns amongst federal police officers and among American law enforcement agencies."

Nowhere were these unsettling suspicions more pronounced than in cases involving Asian organized crime, a veteran enforcement source reiterated.

"Ottawa just seemed reluctant to acknowledge this as the top threat," they said.

The source recalled that law enforcement had informants feeding intelligence on a broad spectrum of organized crime groups. But when it came to high-level Asian syndicates, there was a noticeable chill.

"Those with knowledge were extremely reluctant to discuss these groups," the expert said, citing "strong indications in the criminal world that these groups had corrupted officials in Canada."

Despite mounting evidence that Asian organized crime groups were operating at an industrial scale--running sophisticated money laundering schemes, private casinos, and vast drug trafficking and production operations--efforts to gain traction with Ottawa repeatedly stalled. Investigators found themselves facing inexplicable roadblocks.

"The reasons for delays on approvals given made no sense," a veteran said. "It was as though we were being blocked from within."

But the revelations of Cameron Ortis's alleged betrayal in late 2019 provided the missing puzzle piece. Ortis is appealing his conviction, while the Crown seeks to extend his 14-year sentence, arguing that the judge "erred by imposing a sentence that was demonstrably unfit, given the gravity of the offences."

While Ortis wasn't convicted on China-related charges due to a Canadian judge's decision, prosecutors accused him of stealing espionage-related "Orcon and Gamma" intelligence after 2015, including U.S. signals intelligence. Police and prosecutors believe he was poised to share this information with Chinese diplomats in September 2019. An RCMP document unsealed after his conviction states that in mid-2019, Ortis was caught searching RCMP databases. "Among his queries were subjects that related to China, embassies, and something that appears to be a national security investigation."

"When the Cameron Ortis story broke, it was not a shock," a Canadian police veteran said. "It made sense. He was director of intelligence for the RCMP. He had enormous sway as to what the federal investigative priorities were."

Ortis wasn't just an influential figure--he was instrumental at the highest levels of decision-making. As the right-hand man to the RCMP commissioner, he wielded control over which major investigations moved forward and which were quietly sidelined.

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Wow! If this is true, and I believe it is, the do,do, should hit the fan. But knowing how the upper echelons reaction will be to such atrocities will more than likely be swept under the table… And here I thought we’d be working hand in hand with the US Intelligence but I guess the almighty dollar took care of that. It’s a shame really and once entrenched like the cartels are, it’ll be hard putting an end to it unless someone with gonads the size of grapefruits gets to run this country….and starts cleaning house….

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You are asking a lot to have me believe in the "authenticity" of your "authenticity check". I had gone back to your post to check it out one more time time and wondered where it had gone. Now that it is back I have gone through it twice and do not see any new accreditation added to the original. I do give you credit for the effort.
I am being the devils' advocate here but the only thing I personally am sure of in this whole mess is that there is a guy out there that is hell bent on destroying the world order. Then as the world starts to burn around the States he falls back on exploding straws and bad,bad, pennies. I am not calling them united as I do not think they are any longer and if he has his way may never be again.

Trump had to address the straws because the nitwit before him put restrictions on them - listen to this - Fema spent 59 million to house illegal aliens in luxury hotels in NYC at the same time saying that they didn't enough money to help people living in South Carolina - this is only the tip of the iceberg- billions have been stolen or wasted - the Man is cleaning house - bless him -

Just listen to this - watch for all the Canadian Flags flying high and proud this weekend. If you climb up on a hill and look north you may even be able to see them from Pennsylvania. It will tell you how we feel and what we think of becoming part of what was once a great country and good neighbor.

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That report reminded me of the Markham mansion connection to the liberals lol. The corruption runs deep.

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Trump had to address the straws because the nitwit before him put restrictions on them - listen to this - Fema spent 59 million to house illegal aliens in luxury hotels in NYC at the same time saying that they didn't enough money to help people living in South Carolina - this is only the tip of the iceberg- billions have been stolen or wasted - the Man is cleaning house - bless him -

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I mentioned this during the time of the event . But the Biden team made it very clear and publicly lied to the public about it.

Just like they kept telling us that the border agencies just needed to do their job. Their job wasn't to process up to 10 thousand migrants a day. Again more lies were told .
Their job was to protect the boarder and not allow anyone to cross illegally. Letting zero in would be doing their job.

Its too bad the Musk team couldn't do the same within Canada as we helped funding the migration to the usa too so for that I'm sorry for what we did to your country.

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Trimmer 21
You are asking a lot to have me believe in the "authenticity" of your "authenticity check". I had gone back to your post to check it out one more time time and wondered where it had gone. Now that it is back I have gone through it twice and do not see any new accreditation added to the original. I do give you credit for the effort.
I am being the devils' advocate here but the only thing I personally am sure of in this whole mess is that there is a guy out there that is hell bent on destroying the world order. Then as the world starts to burn around the States he falls back on exploding straws and bad,bad, pennies. I am not calling them united as I do not think they are any longer and if he has his way may never be again.

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Where was the world order taking us ?

His main goal is to protect the Americans empire as its been falling for decades. They just declared violence on Musk as the left always does . They always said trump would bring violence but if you actually look at what side causes the most destruction you will see its the left..

Nothing wrong with cleaning the house and putting the money were it belongs instead of some elites pocket while they try and hide the facts. Americans were paying millions to thousands of news agencies around the globe . World propaganda funded by the American tax payers. Its a pretty good tactic but many knew this years ago. Controlling the media to benefit them isn't news its about Controlling a narrative. Its why I have zero trust in what they tell me. I don't fall for State run propaganda campaigns. Ever wonder why you here about the shootings over seas just pushing their agenda.

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Fun fact: in the 1920s there were three republican presidents (Harding, Coolidge & Hoover). All three followed a foreign policy of isolationism and protectionism. All of them promoted tariffs to encourage American growth and wealth. This had the reverse affect as global trade slowed due to retaliatory tariffs. These actions ushered in the Great Depression. The economic downturn spurred on nationalist feelings which led to the Second World War.

Hey it may be a stretch in drawing parallels to what we are witnessing now, but it sure sounds familiar.

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Fun fact: in the 1920s there were three republican presidents (Harding, Coolidge & Hoover). All three followed a foreign policy of isolationism and protectionism. All of them promoted tariffs to encourage American growth and wealth. This had the reverse affect as global trade slowed due to retaliatory tariffs. These actions ushered in the Great Depression. The economic downturn spurred on nationalist feelings which led to the Second World War.

Hey it may be a stretch in drawing parallels to what we are witnessing now, but it sure sounds familiar.

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Well, it might be a stretch,but,I don't think it's too much of a stretch. The difference between then and now is the number of checks and balances built into the financial system since then to prevent another world-wide crash and depression like was seen in the 1930's. I feel fairly safe in saying that or the "crash" of 2008 would have ushered in the same thing. Isolationism doesn't appear to be the aim of the Trump administration. It's more of reigning in rampant corporate greed that's killing the American dream and sending a message to the world that the BS is over. Either get on board or get lost.

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Fun fact: in the 1920s there were three republican presidents (Harding, Coolidge & Hoover). All three followed a foreign policy of isolationism and protectionism. All of them promoted tariffs to encourage American growth and wealth. This had the reverse affect as global trade slowed due to retaliatory tariffs. These actions ushered in the Great Depression. The economic downturn spurred on nationalist feelings which led to the Second World War.

Hey it may be a stretch in drawing parallels to what we are witnessing now, but it sure sounds familiar.

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When government spending is representing the gdp the cuts will have an impact and usher in a recession. If the Americans are funding the world we can expect to a see a global recession when they cut the spending. . It is why the brics block doesn't want to be dependent on the us dollar. When they fall its going to bring down many some are learning to live without the reliance of the empire for just that reason.

Whats going to be the problem this time is America did not have to compete with another rising nation back then.

Its the cure that needs to happen its going to suck for sure.

If they managed to manipulate the numbers enough yeah we could could fly past a recession and land into another depression from the lefts neglect. Making it appear better than what it is will have devastating consequences.

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Well, it might be a stretch,but,I don't think it's too much of a stretch. The difference between then and now is the number of checks and balances built into the financial system since then to prevent another world-wide crash and depression like was seen in the 1930's. I feel fairly safe in saying that or the "crash" of 2008 would have ushered in the same thing. Isolationism doesn't appear to be the aim of the Trump administration. It's more of reigning in rampant corporate greed that's killing the American dream and sending a message to the world that the BS is over. Either get on board or get lost.

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What if those checks and balances were neglected and manipulated?

Edit 08 was bailed out by the taxpayers means government spending saved the ships it should of been worse for the financial system and Wallstreet. Is trump going to baill out the banks that kept doing the same things over and over again? So again what should of came was manipulated by government bail outs.

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Well one thing is for certain - if nothing is done about the US debt the whole ship will sink - I hope Canada realizes that they must recognize the situation and support any changes Trump makes - after all if the US topples so goes Canada - so goes the world -

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Joe, there are a lot of Canadians that will agree with Trumps policies, but the majority of Canadians have had nothing but Liberal (Democratic) ideology pushed for the last decade so the Liberal mindset is the majority and anyone heard speaking out against that will be immediately rejected. Most Canadians only see the worst side of Trump through the liberal media outlets, but this is changing due to the far left woke policies Trudeau has been pursuing, policies that most Canadians do not want but are being forced to support. Its like a big spring pushed and the spring has developed enough tension to push back in the opposite direction.

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That will never happen, USA made their problem , now live with it.

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Maybe not its not the Chinese dropping bombs and pushing for regime changes all over the place. Its not the Chinese pumping the oil out of Syria that's the American military. It wasnt china who had a plan to disrupt and destroy multiple countries to overthrow Thier governments that was the American congress who said that.

We are already run by dictators what's the difference ? The policy makers are already partnered with china they say and most do. So what's the difference?

China has a win win scenario working with others.
America has me first me only I'm the best look at me type attitude.

After all is said and done will you still survive the economic war ? You could really be pumping trillions and still loose. If they can't compete with what is being offered then it will all be for nothing.










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This is the great reset that's happening. Didn't you know ?
They all said it.. the g20 is committed to the brics policies I showed that proof Last year.

In 2018 they predicted that the usa wouldn't be superpower much longer. While they all work on the same goals to make that a reality. Just a coincidence I guess . So unless the usa can keep up it will be left behind.



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Trump had to address the straws because the nitwit before him put restrictions on them - listen to this - Fema spent 59 million to house illegal aliens in luxury hotels in NYC at the same time saying that they didn't enough money to help people living in South Carolina - this is only the tip of the iceberg- billions have been stolen or wasted - the Man is cleaning house - bless him -

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FEMA does a lot and is supported by a large volunteer base, however, as a former member of FEMA myself I can attest to the waste. This started after 9/11 when the government expanded the disaster response to include civilian groups as a cost savings measure, it worked at the local level, but the when the responsibility expanded budgets were spent otherwise they went away. The people who are complaining were never the ones to volunteer, and the media are the worst of this bunch. FEMA supported Michigan One who were the first in after the Florida hurricanes, they were the ones driving the big white vans towards people who needed help when all the other people were driving away. The media were there too, with their cameras, filming but not helping.

Trump just announced that talks to end the Ukraine Russia war will begin on Friday - wow this guy is something else - it must be the Diet Coke he is drinking through plastic straws that gives him so much energy

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Don't worry, your cool guy in power will sell out Europe to his Russian buddy and then be left paying the tab in the long run.

Living on an island alone gets lonely fast.

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I’m concerned how Ukraine will fare out of these discussions. Hopefully they get a better shake than the folks in Gaza are getting. I don’t support Hamas but not every Palestinian is a terrorist.

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Ukraine has already lost the lands gained will belong to Russia they have already been rebuiling since the start. . With 2/3s of the Ukrainian army eliminated Russia has fulfilled its objective to dismantle its military. The land the Russians hold I hear hold almost 60 % of it minerals and after the next town will be closer to 75%. There will be no Ukraine in nato. Kinda sounds like what they tried to achieve without the war. Too bad they were pushed into a burning fire for no reason.

As for gaza if they go ahead with the plan it's the beginning of the war they wanted with Iran. Nobody in the region wants to take them as they know it would ruin their economy's by taking in the large sums of people. If they thought the resistance groups was hampering their efforts during the war just wait and see what happens if they try to move the people by force. That alone they will blame Iran like they always did and another conflict will begin. Trump mucked up by saying what he did and has plans for . Yet I said last year what their plan was the entire time. They already made up the plans they were leaked last year why do you think Israel leveled the place. What's left to go back too?

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Why Europe would be sold out...?them "big shot wannabe" European Politicians sat at the big pot called war in Ukraine to help "cook up the storm", which cost 100 and 100 of thousand lives on both sides( completely unneeded losses) )..........now will be perhaps the time for those European politicians to eat what they cook?

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At this point,it's hard to imagine how a peace treaty will unfold in Ukraine. No doubt,as in every "deal",no single entity will get everything they want. Ukraine will likely be required to cede some territory to Russia in return for some form of reparations. This will be a very sore spot for Ukraine and Russia for many decades to come. As for the Palestinians,for me,it's difficult to sympathize with people who brought their misfortune on themselves. Granted,not every Palestinian is a member of Hamas,but,every Palestinian,by enabling and supporting them,is complicit. There's a reason no other nation in the middle east wants anything to do with them. That speaks volumes.

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It's to bad they thought they could rely on the usa in the first place. They don't have the greatest track record and have done the same thing on multiple occasions push others into wars and fail. The usa had to eliminate the taliban yet they took over. Same with Afghanistan now hamas and russia same lines with the same outcome every time. . Hey they won in Syria tho good job usa stealing others resources to collapse another country for their own interests.


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Why Europe would be sold out...?them "big shot wannabe" European Politicians set at the big pot called war in Ukraine to help "cook up the storm", which cost 100 and 100 of thousand lives on both sides( completely unneeded losses) )..........now will be perhaps the time for those European politicians to eat what they cook?

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Well they cooked their economy as they continue to de industrialize their economy. Take away what was affordable and you'll pay the price. I bet you China works its way in they are already planning for Chinese plants. They will realize soon enough what side they need the most.

Edit I stand correct they are actively encouraging Chinese manufacturers. Another win win for China byd was up 26% for the weeks

"Europe is actively encouraging Chinese manufacturers, particularly in the electric vehicle (EV) sector, to set up production facilities within the European Union, primarily to avoid potential tariffs on imported Chinese vehicles and gain access to the European market while also creating jobs and boosting local economies; this trend is driven by the increasing demand for affordable electric cars in Europe and the competitive advantage offered by Chinese manufacturing costs. "

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If the media has reported our economy's like the Russian Ukraine war reports we will fall into a depression. The usa will loose

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America's future has never looked better - cleaning up the waste and fraud will save billions - maybe trillions - tariffs on certain items entering the country will save additional billions - and we have a leader who is a once in a lifetime gift from God - Canada is making a big mistake not playing ball with the U.S. - I hope that they don't think that the U.S. will protect them when the Russians start taking over the arctic - all Trump wants is a fair deal when countries put tariffs on U.S. goods - reciprocal tariffs

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America's future has never looked better - cleaning up the waste and fraud will save billions - maybe trillions - tariffs on certain items entering the country will save additional billions - and we have a leader who is a once in a lifetime gift from God - Canada is making a big mistake not playing ball with the U.S. - I hope that they don't think that the U.S. will protect them when the Russians start taking over the arctic - all Trump wants is a fair deal when countries put tariffs on U.S. goods - reciprocal tariffs

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It sounds rosy Joe but what comes after the saving , cuts and tarrifs? The last 4 administration's have pledge to bring back the manufacturing in America. So far I'm mostly hearing about taking over other places to secure it's economic future. Canada , greenland the gaza strip.

Draining the swamp is good but it's not a long term solution for the nation to prosprer. How's he going to lower the price of food, housing and the cost of everyday goods for Americans to prosper from. How's he going to deal with the insurance companies canning or double the policy's in the name of climate change?. What's the plan for Americans selling their goods to rest of the world at a competitive price? Whats his plan to clean up the streets lots of zombies walking around tent city's in CA and pen .
What about the all the vacant high rises ? Cuts ain't going to cut it.

I see Canada is replacing oil to China that you used to sell them.

Don't worry we don't have a plan either we just sit back do nothing and expect it to be better I guess.. push usless policies that do very little to the actual problems is what we do lol.

I'm with you but have yet to see an actual plan to better it's people and the world.

Both Russia and Canada both share a boarder with Alaska we could benefit from the minerals it could make Canada great again lol. Sounds silly right? Yet its exactly what you guys are saying. Canada could also partner with the brics nations and it would lower the price of some goods we could purchase inexpensive evs so we can breath clean air as more would be able to afford an ev vehicle. Just saying .
We don't need 4 % of the population when more than 60% is willing to work with us. And that's the problem trump is going to have.

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Trump said Russia should be back and join the g7 hahahaha. He's really desperate oh boy.

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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/team-...ational-anthem - how low can you get - such disrespect for a country that saved the world-

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Seems about right. You disrespect a nation, have to expect the nation will let you know it.

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Seems to me like respect is earned not given. Threatening a friend and neighbour to take their property is disrespectful. Being American doesn't mean diddly squat unless you're American. The rest of the world has its own pride.


It should also be noted, you never saved the world single handedly. And I even think America was still doing business with Nazi Germany until 1941. Kinda double dealing there, you know....before you saved the world.

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The National Anthem represents a country not any one individual - when you boo the anthem you are booing everyone that lives and loves their country and the history of that country - if all it takes is some tariffs to make Canada dislike the U.S. there isn't much love or respect to begin with - to me all it shows is a bunch of wimps who have given away their rights to a point where they can't even express their option on things -

The U.S. subsidies Canada through the current trade situation to a tune of 2 to 2.5 billion each year - why? - the U.S. has every right to demand a level playing field- this same thing is happening with Mexico and Europe - I saw an example - a car is made in Detroit has a price tag of 50,000 - it is sent to Germany where a 10% tariff is added and then a 10 % tax making the car cost 60,000 - a car is made in Germany and sent to the U.S. where 1% tariff is added - what Trump is doing is making a reciprocal tariff - wherever you charge we will charge - sounds fair to me

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Seems to me like respect is earned not given. Threatening a friend and neighbour to take their property is disrespectful. Being American doesn't mean diddly squat unless you're American. The rest of the world has its own pride.


It should also be noted, you never saved the world single handedly. And I even think America was still doing business with Nazi Germany until 1941. Kinda double dealing there, you know....before you saved the world.

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There is no question that the industrial might of America saved the west from defeat in WW2 - and it was America that saved the world from communism-

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the national anthem represents a country not any one individual - when you boo the anthem you are booing everyone that lives and loves their country and the history of that country - if all it takes is some tariffs to make canada dislike the u.s. There isn't much love or respect to begin with - to me all it shows is a bunch of wimps who have given away their rights to a point where they can't even express their option on things -

the u.s. Subsidies canada through the current trade situation to a tune of 2 to 2.5 billion each year - why? - the u.s. Has every right to demand a level playing field- this same thing is happening with mexico and europe - i saw an example - a car is made in detroit has a price tag of 50,000 - it is sent to germany where a 10% tariff is added and then a 10 % tax making the car cost 60,000 - a car is made in germany and sent to the u.s. Where 1% tariff is added - what trump is doing is making a reciprocal tariff - wherever you charge we will charge - sounds fair to me

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OOPs - I made a mistake - it is 200 to 250 billion a year

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boooo , boooo , boooo

Blame it on spellcheck but just wanted to let you know that we so called wimps (biting my tongue so hard not to resort to low brow name calling) due to my inbred politeness, still have our Options and an important one is to be able to state our Opinions.
Mine is to join the chorus of Booo's and I would like to add a few Hsss's for emphasis.
My flags are up a for Flag Day to join millions more tomorrow and forever.
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No disagreement that the USA helped a lot. But to claim it single handedly saved the world is arrogant. If not for the isolationist policies of the 20's/30's there might not have been a war.

Trump signed an order to stop federal funding to any school or university that has a covid 19 vax mandate. Now if he can do the same for the transplant patients that would be awesome as they are still being denied for not having a covid vaccine.

A bunch of states left leaning are suing trump for allowing Musk in . Crazy they think he's just collecting personal information but that is just another lie as they are all being exposed to the corruption and crapping their pants.

In reality he's just showing the truth and the taxpayers did support left leaning organizations in romanias latest coup when they again lied and blamed it on Russian interference lol. Gotta give them credit tho for the American taxpayers paying for foreign regime changes. They also paid for Zelensky to get into Ukraine back in 2014 with its Cia backed coup.

Hopefully 10% for the big guy gets exposed but probably not as was a private company unless the taxpayers also paid that company millions then we might never know.

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The National Anthem represents a country not any one individual - when you boo the anthem you are booing everyone that lives and loves their country and the history of that country - if all it takes is some tariffs to make Canada dislike the U.S. there isn't much love or respect to begin with - to me all it shows is a bunch of wimps who have given away their rights to a point where they can't even express their option on things -

The U.S. subsidies Canada through the current trade situation to a tune of 2 to 2.5 billion each year - why? - the U.S. has every right to demand a level playing field- this same thing is happening with Mexico and Europe - I saw an example - a car is made in Detroit has a price tag of 50,000 - it is sent to Germany where a 10% tariff is added and then a 10 % tax making the car cost 60,000 - a car is made in Germany and sent to the U.S. where 1% tariff is added - what Trump is doing is making a reciprocal tariff - wherever you charge we will charge - sounds fair to me

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While I fully agree that the disrespect is very uncalled for and makes me ashamed to be Canadian. We are better than that, at least we used to be.

But I'm not sure you realize how insulting and disrespectful this "51 state" talk is to Canadians. I thinks its far worse than booing an anthem. So in that regard, Trump started it. But 2 wrongs don't make a right and we Canadians should not stoop to his level.

As for the 250billion number, that is a flat out lie. Started off with him saying 100m and kept growing. Yet people believe it. Its actually about 45billion and the majority of that is significantly discounted crude oil that the US refineries want. Also don't forget we are only 1/10th of your population, so clearly we don't have the same buying power of the US, so there will never be an even number there.

As for the reciprical tariff idea, I think that is more than fair, and I think Trump should go ahead with that. And if he does I hope Can/US can agree to 0 tariffs.

I didn't mean to call all Canadians wimps just the ones who booed our athletes and anthem - I lived in Canada for a couple years back in the late 50s and have a lot of friends up there - it's not the same place - Trump never said anything about Canada becoming the 51st state by force - he thought that it would be a win-win situation for both countries and Canadians would want this to happen - I personally think it would be a bad idea because of the liberal leaning of so many Canadians - we would just have another big blue state like California -

VP Vance gave a talk the other day about how Europe is stifling free speech and attempting to control what people can say - worth listening to and then look at what happens to someone in Canada who voices their option on certain matters -

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I didn't mean to call all Canadians wimps just the ones who booed our athletes and anthem - I lived in Canada for a couple years back in the late 50s and have a lot of friends up there - it's not the same place - Trump never said anything about Canada becoming the 51st state by force - he thought that it would be a win-win situation for both countries and Canadians would want this to happen - I personally think it would be a bad idea because of the liberal leaning of so many Canadians - we would just have another big blue state like California -

VP Vance gave a talk the other day about how Europe is stifling free speech and attempting to control what people can say - worth listening to and then look at what happens to someone in Canada who voices their option on certain matters -

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^^^^^ What he said! ^^^^^

Take a few minutes to listen to this and then think about how your country ranks - very good speech - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvheASRITtY

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At 8 pm tonight US will meet Canadians in hockey game - you got to watch - after the booing someone's butt is gonna be kicked -

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Team USA Captain is Austin Matthews (Toronto). Team Canada Captain is Sid Crosby (Pittsburg). This will be like watching your mother-in-law drive off a cliff in your new truck.

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VP talks long and with great talent and logic-no ear piece ,no paper script ...no aid. Just from the top of his head. Remarkable.

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Good speech I've been trying to say this for years just not as well as he did. You don't have a democracy if your afraid to speak you can add Canada to the higher rank . Pushing mandates to force the people to change is never a good thing i said this lots. . Closing bank accounts because they don't believe in your views . Closing down threads and working with media is not a democracy its a dictatorship. Fining towns and Mayers for not hanging a pride flag . Yep that's a democracy nope just more dictatorships dictating what you should do.
Just imagine being fined for a silent prayer lol wacked . I don't pray but it doesn't mean you can't pray for whatever you choose to pray for. Again I said China and Russia is not our enemy and the enemy is within our own governments.

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Not my team.
I was boooing the US of A

Wandered way off topic, think this thread has run its course.
Time to shut it down