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Primary draw runs all month with results released in mid-May.
Tags were cut back by over half in my wmu. Figures, I was set to draw a bull tag next year likely. Should have just went after a cow last year.
What area was that?Quote:
Originally Posted by cantgetright
Seen area 50 tags increased by about 50 percent
And I don’t see a solution to the unclaimed tags after the second round. It was what 3000 tags left unclaimed last year? Did I miss some update?
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There will be no change this year, Next year will be the first year of a potential change for the unclaimed tag situation, sucks but is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunterforever
wmu 28Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt86
bull dropped from 156 to 69, cow/calf 114 to 34 and calf 447 to 249
it's basically a lifetime tag for me where I hunt
Looks like last year there were 16,309 total tags, and this year there are 15,076. Total decrease of about 8%.
Bull tags (both gun and bow) decreased by 11%, from 4,663 to 4,170
Moose Harvest numbers were down compared to last 3 years 3134 total, 1839 bulls, 846 cows and 449 calves. I would imagine the native population puts up some pretty big harvest numbers.
Fact calves are still being shot is ridiculous to me.
But the decline maybe a result in tags dropping,
Been told by a very reliable source 15B tags will be dropping after this year for 2026 season. But time will tell
In Wmu 25 in 12 years only 4 wolf
got harvested I do not wonder why Moose numbers falling , never mind the native live them alone …
The real problem is that the predators not getting harvested as much as Moose getting harvested…
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Originally Posted by Matt86
So if my son started entering the draw, how many years would it take to get enough points to get a license for WMU 48?
15 yrs for a bull tagQuote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
22 yrs for Cow/Calf tag
Wow he would be 35 - 42 years old and I would probably be well... pretty much dead like between 70 - 77 years old.
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Originally Posted by BPR 30-06
Bull tag for 48 last year was 25 points not 15.
Him being young is a perfect time to start going north on spring and fall fishing, bear and grouse trips learning areas, find a area with moose that requires 5 or 6 points and you have fun finding a place to hunt while hunting and fishing and your set.
Bull Bow 15Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Bull Gun 25
Calf All Season 6
Cow/calf Bow 9
Cow/calf Gun 22
The column after "Primary 1" is the number of points needed for that tag.
2024 48 Bull Bow Primary 1 15 21 2 2 2
2024 48 Bull Gun Primary 1 25 12 10 10 7
2024 48 Calf All Seasons Primary 1 6 13 4 4 4
2024 48 Cow/calf Bow Primary 1 9 17 16 16 11
2024 48 Cow/calf Gun Primary 1 22 6 3 3 1
Not to complicate the system further but seems a "family tag" might be something to consider. All the members of a family throw their points in together for one tag and reset everyone back to zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
What would determine family? Address or DNA tests? My brother lives in SSM and Dad in Cape Breton.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
How would a family tag make it any easier to draw other the handicapping the odd individual or group of 2 that doesn't have family.
the tags in areas south are always going to be hard to draw, changing the way you apply wont make it any easier people will just get more family to get their license and apply.
Individual is the most fair plain and simple. One day every one is going to get there chance unless you die before then, so if your worried about that you almost have to decide is holding out for 20 years worth it or should I go north farther where I can go every 5 years, get a group of 6 and you can go every year to a unit that takes 5 points.
People willing to work for it will always find a way to get a tag and go hunting nothing comes easy in life.
I think the major underlying issue with the moose is the bear/wolf predators and the native hunting. Trying to manage the moose through white hunter tag allocation is a very difficult task. That said, Ontario continuing to hang on to party moose hunting makes that task much more difficult. I am not aware of anywhere else in the world where there is a party hunting system in place for a high demand big game tag. I think the Ontario moose tag system will be a mess until we let go of the party hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt86
Either way for a gun hunt I will likely be to old or dead.
But bow is possible at least for me to see my son hunt. He's a dead shot with the crossbow.
I will show him the stats.
Once the units that are being falsely flooded with moose tags to help remove the moose for the woodland caribou come in line like they have done in unit 21A the rooster will come home to roost in this tag of a lifetime system.
We have a predator problem with wolves taking the majority of the moose calves over the summer before the calves make it to the fall.
The root cause is all the access roads in the boreal forest from logging.
You have highly mobile predator that trumps any management plan.
Add in black bears, treaty rights, and roadkills and you have a predator pit that the moose are barely hanging on.
Most units unless they have had drastic tag reductions are all in decline.
Tag to point numbers are going up not down.
Which category shows the increase in WMU 50? I see a small increase in bow tags,only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt86
Look at last years tags in the book 11 bull 6 cow, for gun. then look at this years qouta, 21 bull 19 cow gun, bow also went upQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Thanks,Matt. I was reading the wrong list. Things are looking up for 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt86
That they are, My in laws live in 50 and we defiantly have noticed a increase in moose, guys have been hammering the bears last few years so thinking has something to do with on our road, 15 were shot last year I know of.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Area 53 took a drastic decline.
You are absolutely right
but live the native out …
The number of vehicle collision is a big problem . For sure…
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Originally Posted by gibb
Area 53 took a drastic decline.
The amount of moose we have seen in 53 this winter makes no sense at all why they would reduce the tags so drastically.