Does anyone know where to find 12ga or .22 rifle blanks in SW Ont in or near Brantford? Or if I can order them online?
Depending on cost, I'd like to get some 12ga blanks rather then removing the shot out of a bunch of trap loads.
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Does anyone know where to find 12ga or .22 rifle blanks in SW Ont in or near Brantford? Or if I can order them online?
Depending on cost, I'd like to get some 12ga blanks rather then removing the shot out of a bunch of trap loads.
We used a starter pistal for our pups geting used to the noise then all we did was by empty hull's at shooters choice in kitchener and pressed 209 primers into them and fired them that way out of a single barrel break action shotgun , Worked very good .Kent makes training popper loads just for dog training .anyone who sells shotshells should be able get them in .
GE
You can use Reminton Ramset charges, as blanks in a .22 bolt or single shot. You can but them at hardware or building supply retailers. Different colours indicate different charges, loudness. Shooters choice in Waterloo usually has shotgun blanks. They are probably twice the cost of target loads.
Look like these
http://hand-tools.hardwarestore.com/...mer-loads.aspx
If anyone is looking for a cheap solution, I went to a dollar store and got bought a cap gun for $1 and 60 caps for another buck. Not as much bang (though louder than expected), but for the cost it works really great, especially if you are introducing a pup to gunfire.
what a great idea. what particular store did you get them from, like Dollarama chain may be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon I
Been using the cap gun since she was about 4 mo. old. Great warm up for her when there were no other options.
Dollarama it was. The first store I went into had guns, my wife picked up the caps at another which sold cap guns too. This will give an idea of how loud it is; I often wear ear muffs when firing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by h&t
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/z...h_P1090150.jpg
It's been a while (50 yrs) but from what I remember shotshells with the pellets dumped are not nearly as loud as regular loads. Try a few before you dump a whole lot of shells.
Purple or black Ramset loads are noisier but don't know the price. If you know someone who reloads they might have something in a 30-30 or 308 blank that they have made up using fast burning powder that will give a good "bark" at a reasonable price.
If you will be doing a lot of shooting your best bet is still a starter pistol with 209 primers......:thumbup:
i did the same thing, but once you get outside its not loud at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon I
Thanks for all the advice. I took her out to a field today for her gunfire introduction. I used yellow ramset charges in a .22 to start out with. She didn't flinch, just looked around the first couple times to see what it was. Moved to shotgun and fired some 2 3/4 magnum steel loads I had kicking around but no use for. She didn't mind that either. Set her up for some formal marks from her dog blind, fired the shotgun off for those. No problems what so ever.
So my dad has a couple old blank handguns from the old days of field trial training (70's). One is a .22 and one was a .45?
Once I dig them out of hiding, I'll use them for my new pup in the fall.
Would the .22 ramset cartriges work for the old(er) .22? He may still have some old blank cartriges left also.
If someone calls the po po on me, what could the ramifications be? I will be painting the .22 bright orange, so there may be no confusion(s).
Any info would help.
Don.
What make is the 22 NEF ? If so yes the ramset do work i recomend the brown loads lots of noise but not to hard on you pistol.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoli 16ga.
No idea of the makes, I haven’t seen them in decades. Once I get them I'll post some pics. I remember one looked like a small slide action, and was chrome. The cartridges went in a long rectangular magazine in the front and slid out the back as you fired it. I could barely pull the trigger on either one because the pull needed was so strong....but I was just a kid.
D.
If you have a shotshell loader you can make your own poppers. Just replace the shot with white millet.
Be careful with the gunfire. Just because the dog is not flinching yet, doesn't mean it won't happen.
Most people look at it as if they want the dog to think nothing of the noise. IMO this is not the best approach.
You want to have the dog associate gunfire with the thought that "hey, I'm about to get a bird".
Shooting near the dog, for me, only really happens through training, and then only after the dog is amped up to retrieve with the sound of gunfire always coming from a helper throwing from a good distance, like 50yds or more. When it is time to prepare the dog for hunting, I will take the shotgun & shoot while someone else steadies the dog. The dog is off to my side by 20 yds or so, and I will gradually move closer to him, until I'm beside him. This happens over the course of a week or so, not all in the same day. You need to give them time to digest this stuff before you progress.
That big boom can be a very scary thing to a young dog that has not yet associated it with anything good.
Well said, Labber.
I have a " conditioning to the gun" plan /steps I use, that has worked fine. Glad to send it to anyone who asks me.
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Labber
Getting the dog to think nothing of gunfire is not a reasonable goal. I can make you jump by lighting off a 12 ga over your head without warning. That doesn't mean you're gunshy, it just means you were surprised.
I also went the Dollar Store cap gun route last year and it worked perferctly. Once she became accumstomed to the noise, I started directly striking the caps on a stone with a hammer (not using the gun itself) for a louder bang ... just make sure you wear eye and ear protection. Very cheap alternative that worked great for me ... just make sure you are playing fetch or doing something fun with the dog while doing this.
Lorenzo
i bought an antique crimper from ebay for $10 crimped my old shot shell cases and just replace the primers they make great training poppers and youd be surprised how quick and easy they are to do
I almost fainted when I saw the price for a good starter pistol ($300 - 400). The cheap ones are garbage, and usually won't last you a season. My solution was to get a shotgun adapter from Cabelas. It's made out of aluminum, and looks exactly like a 12 ga round. It has an open hole in the primer well. All you do is pop a 209 primer in and away you go. Makes a nice bang for training, and is dirt cheap to use. I keep an old single shot Cooey break action just for this. I also like the idea of the long gun visual for the dog too. Check Cabelas - I think I paid about $15 for mine, about 15 years ago.
http://www.retrieverworld.com/SHOTGU...NSERTS-SPI.htm
Here's a supplier for the shotgun adapter I was referring to.