Faking dead coyote???!!!????

To make it a short story : I was out hunting yotes yesterday. Shot one that was about to enter the ditch I was watching. It was shot twice with 00Buck. I strapped him to the bumper of my snowmobile, drove to an intersection between the fields and sat him on top of a fence post, planning on picking him up on my way back home after the hunt was over.
Well, on my way back it was not on that post anymore. I followed the blood trail and it was about 50 yards away tucked under a wood pile. Went to grab him and he tried to bite me. Had to shoot him again.

Now here is my question to you guys : Can yotes play dead to avoid being shot again and then attempt to escape when left alone?

I absolutely thought he was dead the first time, otherwise I would not have handled him by hand, placing him on my sled, strapping it down with bungees and all just inches from its teeth.......

Let me know what you think.

I think that is crazy! LOL
He must have had 9 lives

thats is something i never heard of...possibly knocked out? pellet rickocae off the head?

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Originally Posted by grizzlygreig

thats is something i never heard of...possibly knocked out? pellet rickocae off the head?

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I remember counting 2 holes through the mid-body section, and 1 hole in each of the front legs. That was while I was strapping it down the first time.

Maybe it was in shock...be careful out there!

Paul

never seen a coyote play Possum before. My guess is you knocked him out.

I'd say he was knocked out as well and came to while you were gone.

Crazy sh_t! Your lucky man! Ive heard of this happening with deer but this is the first coyote, Im with the rest of the guysa, he was knocked out

That's the damndest thing I've ever heard of, 00buck usually kills 'em DEAD! Strange things can happen,though.

Ive seen lots of coyotes shot and wounded and shot again.
They are pound per pound the toughest animal we have to hunt around here.
Skin him out and im betting he has a pellet or two in the brain bucket,,,,,keep us posted as this is intriguing.

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Originally Posted by Zr2Paul

Maybe it was in shock...be careful out there!

Paul

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This would be my guess. Sort of like a naturally-induced coma to avoid the stress of being attacked (and killed)- seems to happen to a lot of things my dog catches.

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Originally Posted by fuel80guy

Ive seen lots of coyotes shot and wounded and shot again.
They are pound per pound the toughest animal we have to hunt around here.
Skin him out and im betting he has a pellet or two in the brain bucket,,,,,keep us posted as this is intriguing.

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Well he sure has some pellets in the brain now, since I took the finishing shot from 15 feet away. But the pelt (from the back of the head to the rear legs) only has 2 holes in it. Both on the same side.

I shot one with my .223 right in the chest from about 50yds or so, he dropped right there, didn't move so continued calling in hopes of another showing up... Well wouldn't you know it this guy gets up about 1 minute later and runs away in a corn field. I thought WTF, found him dead 50 yds later though.... Upon inspection the shot went through his front shoulder (broke it) and right into his vitals, his insides were a mess, how he was able to move is beyond me....They are tough so always check to make sure the tongue is out and the eyes are open, if not he is not dead....
Lucky you, glad it worked out for you it could of been ugly...

you imagine as you are stringing him up to skin he comes alive... thats some strange e. hit me twice with 00B and im going to die. they sure are survivors. lesson from the wise make sure they are dead before handling them. good luck with the rest of the season.

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Originally Posted by 3Wheelerdude

To make it a short story : I was out hunting yotes yesterday. Shot one that was about to enter the ditch I was watching. It was shot twice with 00Buck. I strapped him to the bumper of my snowmobile, drove to an intersection between the fields and sat him on top of a fence post, planning on picking him up on my way back home after the hunt was over.
Well, on my way back it was not on that post anymore. I followed the blood trail and it was about 50 yards away tucked under a wood pile. Went to grab him and he tried to bite me. Had to shoot him again.

Now here is my question to you guys : Can yotes play dead to avoid being shot again and then attempt to escape when left alone?

I absolutely thought he was dead the first time, otherwise I would not have handled him by hand, placing him on my sled, strapping it down with bungees and all just inches from its teeth.......

Let me know what you think.

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This might sound strange but years ago I hunted a few times for coyotes with a gang and they had been long time hunters.I,am pretty sure they had problems over the years with using OOB ,they found that the fur would actually ball up around the shot and prevent full penetration.For that reason they used #2,s. Now I,am going by memory here from 25 years ago.Probably some long time coyote hunters can help me out here.

I know Oldhunter hunted with this gang if you want to PM him he would give you the details.

Coyotes can be tough! 2 winters years ago I called in a coyote into the swamp...he stood broadside and I smoked him good with the 22-250 and the blood that shot out from the other side was incredible. He didn't drop but blood was just POURING at out him and you could see it...I took a 2nd & 3rd shot and nailed him again...he rolled, got up and still ran...the snow behind him was just covered in blood! He ran down the frozen creek/swamp and left a LOOOONNNGGG red blood trail for almost 200yards! When I went to go retrieve him it looked like he was shot with a .300WM! Just a disaster...weird thing was you would think he would be in a pool of blood after dropping, barely anything there. He was a mangy looking coyote and glad I took care of him but WOW are they ever tough animals.

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Originally Posted by 3Wheelerdude

To make it a short story : I was out hunting yotes yesterday. Shot one that was about to enter the ditch I was watching. It was shot twice with 00Buck. I strapped him to the bumper of my snowmobile, drove to an intersection between the fields and sat him on top of a fence post, planning on picking him up on my way back home after the hunt was over.
Well, on my way back it was not on that post anymore. I followed the blood trail and it was about 50 yards away tucked under a wood pile. Went to grab him and he tried to bite me. Had to shoot him again.

Now here is my question to you guys : Can yotes play dead to avoid being shot again and then attempt to escape when left alone?

I absolutely thought he was dead the first time, otherwise I would not have handled him by hand, placing him on my sled, strapping it down with bungees and all just inches from its teeth.......

Let me know what you think.

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The answer to your question lies within the outcome of your story grasshopper!! They can...and did!

Ive seen this a fiew times, with animals in traps , give them a bonk on the head and figure there done, and next thing you know there moving around agsin.. Knocked out is my prediction..

A RAy

Knocked out.

But if this were a Matt Damon script that coyote would have escaped to live the remainder of it's life as a french poodle named "Muffy" in Scarborough, with only flashes of his blood soaked past revealed in mental snapshots without context. It would live in wonder at his own seemingly super-poodle ability to "come to" surrounded by countless warm dead bodies of recently deceased squirells and house cats every time he plays "get-the-stick" and things go black with his equally bewildered and horrified owner, whilst being continuously hunted by his kin from his shadowy past.

Or maybe he was just waiting for you to get a little closer and in the right position so he could grab your gun, use you as a human shield and waste all your hunting partners.

Nope, knocked out, I'm sticking with knocked out.:)

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Originally Posted by Chain

Knocked out.

But if this were a Matt Damon script that coyote would have escaped to live the remainder of it's life as a french poodle named "Muffy" in Scarborough, with only flashes of his blood soaked past revealed in mental snapshots without context. It would live in wonder at his own seemingly super-poodle ability to "come to" surrounded by countless warm dead bodies of recently deceased squirells and house cats every time he plays "get-the-stick" and things go black with his equally bewildered and horrified owner, whilst being continuously hunted by his kin from his shadowy past.

Or maybe he was just waiting for you to get a little closer and in the right position so he could grab your gun, use you as a human shield and waste all your hunting partners.

Nope, knocked out, I'm sticking with knocked out.:)

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Hey now!, normally I'm the one with the two paragraph "WTF?" Explaination!........ But I have to concede.... You maybe on to smething...

I hunted them with the same gang for 30 years, and we killed thousands of them we used hounds, and all of the hunters were farmers from the area, so we had no restrictions til cityets moved in. we used to carry 2 guns a shotgun and a rifle, at the beginning we used #2 shot for close range, but the motto was fire all three at him, even then some kept on going, in one instance i shot it five times before he died, then i switched to BB but still some got away, then i switched to #4 buck and i never had one make it. #4 buck 3 inch has 48 25 call pellets, i still use them on beaver and keep my pond clear, also we could shoot the coyotes at ranges of 50 yards and more, one guy shot one with a 10 gauge at 100 yards, this guy has shot them with a 270 130 grain at a kilometer. there is nothing beter to practice at shooting at long distance then coyote hunting. you learn how to lead and rely on you instinct, and your brain to make the adjustment for the range. john

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Originally Posted by Oldhunter

this guy has shot them with a 270 130 grain at a kilometer. there is nothing beter to practice at shooting at long distance then coyote hunting. you learn how to lead and rely on you instinct, and your brain to make the adjustment for the range. john

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BS detector is on with that one , that i would like to see

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Originally Posted by KevinC.

BS detector is on with that one , that i would like to see

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Are you saying that this shot is not possible or that you yourself do not have the capabilities to pull it off therefore it is BS if somebody else claims to have actually seen it done.?Just askin.:thumbup:

KevinC.

i don't blame you for being skeptical, however to say it is BS, it shows your ignorance, because on til you try it you will never know.
the last moose i killed was beyond 700 yards, with a range finder, and i have killed many moose betwin 300 to 500 yards. and the fact that i did not lose any, it spics for it self. 338 wm. john
PS i have shot with my 2506 a fox at 500 yards. and i don't use scopes beyond 4 power. at long distans to stabelize a target with high power scope is just about impossible. please dont go shooting at animals at extreme ranges with out alot of practice.
you have to be proficient and confidant that you will hit your target. the old days the ground hogs were by the millions, the farmers would welcome you to shoot them. now you would be hard pressed to find a place to shoot at a long distance, i have fired thousands of rounds with my 2506 XTR,

I'm not gonna call BS on it. They guy who got me on to the 25 06 calibre often shot deer at 400 to 500 yrds, and coyotes as well. Now, obviously he's a remarkable shot, the rest of us can't do it, but he can! I think there was a thread with a vidoe on here last summer of a 1000 yrd shot on a coyote.

It is amazing how god you can shoot with practice on animals like ground hugs, and jacks. i started with a 22 coy it was set at 50 yards, and yet i could shoot jacks on the run and ground hugs beyond one hundred yards and there are old timers that can do this, the mindset today is to Analise things instead of doing, you will see what the best computer on the planet in your head can do.
ask your self how you can pick up a rock and try to hit something in a split second it weighs it and moved your arm to the right level for you to hit the target, or come close. this is prissily what happens with the gun, as you shoot the gun the brain gets better and better. try it with a empty gun, look at a target and bring up the gun while you are looking at your target, you will see you are dead on, this will teach you not to close your eye while shooting. John

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Are you saying that this shot is not possible or that you yourself do not have the capabilities to pull it off therefore it is BS if somebody else claims to have actually seen it done.?Just askin.:thumbup:

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i guess i should apologize , i am not saying a km shot is impossible but when you get to shooting at that kinda distance there has to be variables taken into the situation wind drift and bullet drop for sure come to mind , sure i may not be capable to take a shot of that distance myself rarely get the opportunity to shoot past 400 but with time and the space to shoot sure i wouldn't doubt it for one second.

Oldhunter could you help me out with some info on the shooters 270 , what length of barrel is on it standard length or longer , what type of optics does he run standard 3-9x40 or high power target scope , does he use standard off the shelf ammo or is it hand loaded ammo ? , i dont want to make this sound like a put down or attack just curious thats all just want to better understand the situation.

ps also found this little stat on the net

.270 Win @ 1000 yards
drop -274.2"
wind drift (10mph) 86.3"
557 ft lb energy

6.5-284 @ 1000 yard
drop -273.6"
wind drift (10mph) 66.3"
752 ft lb energy

Well its happenned AGAIN.

Me and my hunting partner shot one, got to it, stood there talking for a good 5 minutes before we went out to get our snowmobile.
Got back at the yote to pick it up and it was gone. Followed tracks in the snow for half a kilometre and lost tracks.

We both noticed something, its had its eyes closed. Now we are starting to think that dead yotes have their eyes open, hence faking ones would have their eyes closed....

Crazy story!

Now I am curious on the tip "How to know when a coyote is dead-dead". Last thing I want to find out is that he is still alive when I go to hang him from a tree to skin it. I really don't want a live pissed off coyote's mouth close to my waste :(

I was taught to always approach a shot animal from the spine side and touch it's eye with a stick or rifle muzzle. If it's still alive,no creature can resist a flinch. Give it another shot,just in case.

T21. Me too. I was always taught that animals don't die with eyes closed. If they are closed its a good chance it's still alive.

Heard of coyotes eating their own guts as they expire

We had a similar situation happen on our 2012 deer hunt, We were pushing the bush to the blockers when a bear came up behind one of the guys, He put a slug in it and it went down. When we got to him some 1/2 hr later we were standing around talking by the bear when he started to get up almost 45 minutes after he was shot. Luckily he was not to mobile and promptly had a .308 round to finish him off.

Lesson learned there

WOW thats crazy....that story will be with me next time I get a coyote down....glad nothing bad happened out of that situation...cheers

Sounds like an episode of Walking Dead. Maybe Hornady Zombie Max bullets are the answer?

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Originally Posted by mox72

Heard of coyotes eating their own guts as they expire

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They try to bite and chew out the hot lead that just stung them.

I have heard of them being knocked out and coming too when being dragged.

Maybe concust from the blast? Probably knocked out, and woke back up while on the post. Maybe the blood running to it's head woke it back up? Never heard of this before, awesome!

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Originally Posted by Jim Davis

We had a similar situation happen on our 2012 deer hunt, We were pushing the bush to the blockers when a bear came up behind one of the guys, He put a slug in it and it went down. When we got to him some 1/2 hr later we were standing around talking by the bear when he started to get up almost 45 minutes after he was shot. Luckily he was not to mobile and promptly had a .308 round to finish him off.

Lesson learned there

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Here's one for ya!

My younger brother was visiting at a cottage up by Minden about 4yrs ago. This was in August. Anyway he took his daughter out for and ice cream and when he rounded a bend in the highway there was a car pulled over and a 250lb bear dead right in the middle of the road. He figured _ FREE MEAT _ He and the other guy dragged the bear from the middle of the road to the shoulder. Then he called me asking what to do. They were waiting for another car to come by and possibly help them get the bear into his truck. While we were talking on the phone the bear stood up, shook his head, looked at them, crossed the ditch and disappeared into the bush!

I wish I was there to see that one!

Skeeter

Ok... This is a story I was told at the hunting camp near Carlton place. The boys were heading to a bar downtown Carlton place.. And the car in front hit a buck. They got out and threw it in the back of the truck and off they went to the bar... After a few beers there comes a guy into the bar screaming about this deer in the parking lot running on the hoods of cars... The guys didn't say much and casually finished there beers and left.... The deer nowhere to be found but lots of damage to the cars!... Mums the word!.. Lol

That insane, so bringing electrical tape with me to tape the muzzle shut like a gator lol you guys keep talking about them waking up while your about to skin them..... How about waking up while your hiking them out on your back?????

So open eyes= dead
closed eyes= alive, faking it, shoot, stab, tape mouth shut lol

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Originally Posted by RyanO

They try to bite and chew out the hot lead that just stung them.

I have heard of them being knocked out and coming too when being dragged.

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This particular one was shot with a crossbow, arrow passed through.