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Maybe be a stupid question. But what is the difference between delta and DU? I believe they are both conservation agencies but is one better then the other? I would like to volunteer in one of this conservation agencies and help in clean ups/habitat work.
I like both oraganizations, they are each unique. DU is all about habitat protection. Delta does habitat protection, but they also support programs like predator trapping and "Hen Houses". IMO in Canada DU has lost its way from being a hunting organization to a more wussified politically correct "nature" organization. It's still a good group that does good work but it's not about hunters and hunting anymore.
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Originally Posted by Thinking
Both are great organizations however please take the opportunity to visit DU again, they are very supportive of hunters and recognize that waterfowlers are the grassroots of the organization.
Seems to be the false perpsective of DU not supportive of the hunting group and I am not sure where this is coming from?
Its simple marketing for DU, spread your cause to as many people that you can. If your a company why try and target only one demographic, successful business and organizations don't do that. DU has several best dressed camo events throughout the year all over Ontario. Seems to me that would appeal to hunters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinking
I support both groups but I do know with my Delta memebership I get an honest to goodness hunting magazine and with DU I get a kiss-me-butt corporate 10 page rag leaflet (conservator?) that rarily if ever has anything to do with hunting. I think you can get a hunting mag with DU but I think you have to pony up extra money???:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
Just sayin
Compare the DU Canada website and their poor excuse for a magazine with the DU US website and magazine, you'll find your answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
Have you ever been to the prairies to see how much land Ducks Unlimited owns out there. They do so much conservation work. I don't understand how anyone who is somewhat informed can't see all that they do for ducks. Ducks Unlimited isn't a organization that is for preserving hunters it's for preserving waterfowl and habitat. I think every waterfowl hunter should donate either there time or some extra funds for organizations like Delta and DU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinking
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Originally Posted by bardern
When i renewed my subscription I asked to get the American version and I didn't have to pay but that was a few years ago. There is a DU office in Barrie here so i just pick up the magazine from there
to be honest a few months back I did contact DU Canada to express my concerns regarding the lack of hunting content in their publications and organization in general. I got a call back within a few hours and the girl on the other end took down my concerns and we spoke for over 1/2 hour. We chose to agree to disagree regarding DUC's direction but I did appreciate the call-back.Quote:
Originally Posted by boilerguy2412
Bottom line is that I still don't have a decent magazine. :rolleyes:
to the OP - I am the treasurer on the Port Perry DU Committee - we hold our event in the fall. If you are interested in the coming out to see what we are about feel free to give me a shout and we can go from there.
There are also Committees in Scarborough and Oshawa - that may be closer for you.
as for what DU does - contact Stubble Bum on here
Ummm, yeah, I have been west and seen what DU has done out there, and I've seen some respectable projects here in Ontario as well. I've supported both organizations to the tune of several hundred dollars a year for as long as I can remember. What I said was DU Canada, which was once an organization created by hunters for hunters, has dropped the hunting image like a hot potato in exchange for a politically correct image of being a naturalist group. All you need to do is look for any significant hunting related content on their website or magazine to see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by boilerguy2412
I`ve volunteered for Du for about 3-4 years now. They have set up a few ponds in my area and since that... nothing... I do agree that they do a great deal for the Prairies.... my only concern is that the money we pour into the DU goes all to the Prairies and not to the northern part of Ontario. But all that being said, never seen anything about Delta out here either... but at least the Du has started something.
Hey guys 25% of money raised at a Delta banquet stays right in the chapters territory and the committee decides how it will be spent! Good luck doing that with other organizations. Delta has been the lead on the Canadian Outdoors Network, DU wouldn't touch that one. Also Delta's Canadian head office is in a strip mall in Winnipeg. They don't need a taj mahal like others. A question that always bugged me was why DU won't support ALUS, I thought that would be right up their alley.
For every dollar spent on conservation by a nonhunter, eleven dollars are spent by a hunter. Seems like the right thing to do would be to promote hunting eh?
DU put the money where it will do the most ie. prairie pot hole region as that is wher most ducks are produced , sorry to say but northern ontario according to studies producess few ducks in comparison .Quote:
I do agree that they do a great deal for the Prairies.... my only concern is that the money we pour into the DU goes all to the Prairies and not to the northern part of Ontario.
Agreed. Just had the Kingston DU Sportsman's dinner recently. Hunting videos and hero shots on the big screen all night. Shooting skeet next door just before the event. Not hunter friendly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
Yes, they also have a lot of "fat cat" aspects, but that's true with most non-profits. The money and the land for conservation are important to the cause and we all benefit from the donations of those with larger bank accounts.
To me, the (overgeneralized) way to frame Delta and DU: DU conserves land for the sake of increasing production and preserving natural habitats. Delta develops the science that will increase production and improve management on those lands and others. Both are necessary. Without the land, the science is useless and visa versa.
To the original poster - any questions you have pertaining to DUC volunteer opportunites in your area please feel free to PM me here OR by [email protected] As G Buck mentioned, we always have room on the Port Perry committee for new members - closer to your home I can put you in touch with the manager for that area
I'll do my best to address everything that's been raised
Conservator - the Fall issue is now completely directed towards hunters. The other three issues speak more to accomplishments and legacies on the conservation, science and policy fronts.
DUC partners with The Canadian Tradition to produce four/five waterfowling episodes per season that feature waterfowl hunting across Canada, DUC's conservation programs, the employees that deliver them and our volunteer base that passionately raise the funds required to deliver the programs.
scud_17 - thanks for being a DUC volunteer. Last year DUC spent well over $150K just south of you rehabilitating the 1800 acre Hilliardton Marsh project (550 of it is wetlands). This area is of great signifigance to migrating waterfowl originating from James Bay as they stage here. It is also provincially significant for mallard and black duck production.
The money raised by our chapters in Ontario stays in Ontario. It is not sent west. Our trained engineers and qualified biologists spend it in the areas with the greatest need and in areas where we can leverage multiple matching funds through programs such as NAWCA from US based partners such as the USFWS and state based wildlife agencies.
In Ontario we have enrolled almost a million acres into conservation programs and there are well over 2000 projects; most on land held by private land owners. I see the biggest differences between our programs and the ALUS program is the length of the commitment and the payment structure. We are spending money raised by volunteers and they demand that we invest it with the most bang for their buck (our board of directors and our President are all unpaid volunteers). When we go out and do a project we look for a minimum 25 year commitment from the landowner and when possible it is incorporated into the deed should the land transfer ownership. Many projects these days are done as perpetual easements ensuring that the conservation project will be around forever. Having over 2K conservation projects on the ground also involves a lot of maintenance and behind the scenes use for funds too such as rehabilitation and repair, trapping (yes trapping), site monitoring (water control devices, wetland draw downs, nest box structures; installation, monitoring, maintenance).
The ALUS contract that a famer signs is for 3 years. With fluctuating commodity prices I could see where farmers could opt out when prices are high - they're running a business which is understandable. They are also paid an annual incentive - in order for this program to grow new and more funds have to be secured every year. I'm a professional fundraiser and know first hand how tough this is given the current economic climate. When we spend money it's a one shot deal with something concrete to show - ALUS seems like a revolving door and without huge input sums from entities such as government it seems unwieldy - look at what's going on with CRP in the States - tightened government purse strings coupled with high commodity prices; the program is seriously going backwards.
To borrow the first line from Delta's site on "Why Delta?"
The decline of duck habitat and the continued loss of duck hunters are arguably the two greatest challenges facing our waterfowling heritage.
Without habitat there are no ducks - without ducks there is no duck hunting.
DU Canada was founded by duck hunters that realized that the decline in wetland acreage was directly related to the decline in duck numbers.
Most of my volunteers hunt or their spouses hunt. They know that the key to it all is wetland conservation. They raise the funds required and turn them over to qualified professionals who in turn make science based decisions on where to best invest that money IN Ontario.
BTW - did you know that the projects that DUC owns can often be accessed for hunting with a phone call to the local office? When I head west in the fall a simple call to the local office grants me permission to hunt a lot of great potholes and marshes.
Did you know that DU Canada is a major partner with Delta Waterfowl in the rehabilitation of the Delta Marsh?
(DUC's headqaurters are at Oak Hammock Marsh) Why would a waterfowl organization want to be headquartered in a strip mall as opposed to the shores of a heritage marsh? A wetland that was completely rehabilitated and is now a thriving example of good stewardship. Our headquarters also partners with the Province of MB to host an interpretive centre where people can learn about the importance of wetlands and touch and feel it first hand. One of my co-workers has a hen mallard nesting on their window ledge at the marsh - I would think it's hard to get those sensations in a strip mall.
Personally I feel the biggest difference between the two organizations is the diversity of DUC's members. Hunters and non-hunters alike respect the fact that 88 cents of every dollar that is raised by DUC goes directly into the core mission of wetland conservation and this benefits hunters and non-hunters alike. Broadening the support base translates into access to more funds which equals more wetlands which equals more ducks which equals better duck hunting.
I'm a duck hunter and I really like shooting ducks - this coming Fall will be my 36th season. I've been a DUC member for 27 years and a volunteer for 17 (employee for 8). I take a lot from this great resource and giving back through DUC is a perfect fit for me as it provides tangible, visible returns on my investment.
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Hey Stubble that was a well written response. I disagree with some of what you wrote, but that's ok. But please address the reason DU won't or hasn't joined the Canadian Outdoors Network. I do think DU is trying to gain hunters favour again which is good.
What is the Canadian Outdoors Network? Please enlighten me - what do they do, what is their mandate?
The Canadian Outdoors Network is the country's first and only national coalition for hunting, fishing trapping and shooting sports. The network is comprised of 28 outdoors groups representing 500,000 members. The national coordinator is Dr. Robert Bailey, who doubles as Delta Waterfowl's vice president of policy.
The network came together in 2007 to challenge Resolution 42. This was a proposal from the Liberal Party to ban all semi automatic firearms in Canada. That first conference call brought the fledgling Network together. The collective lobbing pressure eventually resulted in Resolution 42 being dropped.
Other issues successfully tackled by the outdoors network.
-challenging a proposal to dismantle the Canadian Wildlife Service
-challenging a proposal to redirect Federal Duck Stamp revenues into environment Canada's general budget, potentially diminishing financial support to waterfowl management.
-challenging proposed amendments to the Navigable waters Act, which could severely restrict access to traditional hunting, fishing and trapping areas.
- Was extremely pivotal in getting the long gun registry repealed.
It is the goal of the Outdoors Network to make sure all Canadians understand the concerns of outdoor enthusiasts from coast to coast. An entire life style depends on it-Bob Bailey.
"United we have a future" "Divided we have none"
Members include
Alberta Fish and Game Association
Alberta Outdoors Coalition
BC Wildlife Federation
BCWF Wildlife Federation
BCWF Political Action Alliance
Canadian Institute for Legislative Action
Canadian Section of the Wildlife Society
Canadian shooting sports Association
Delta Waterfowl Foundation
Fur Institute of Canada
Friends of Fur
Hunting for Tomorrow Foundation
Long Point Waterfowl
Manitoba Wildlife Foundation
NWTF
New Brunswick Wildlife Federation
Newfoundland and Labrador Wildlife Foundation
Northwestern Ontario Sportsmen's Alliance
Nova Scotia Federation of anglers and hunters
PEI chapter of Delta Waterfowl
PEI Trappers association
PEI Wildlife Federation
Ruffed Grouse Society
Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation
Yukon Fish and Game Association
Federation Quebecoise des Chasseurs et Pecheurs
Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association
I hope this enlightens you Stubble.
Great post Stubb's! Some more good things I did not know about DU and even more great reasons to continue supporting those who support us!
Interesting - I can only assume that based on the original scope of the org and perhaps because it was centred around firearms legislation DUC declined as per policy.
If the C.O.N. has evolved perhaps Bailey should reapproach Ducks but then again we're already onboard with the Hunting and Angling Advisory Council that Prime Minister Harper recently introduced which includes 19 other groups (Delta, OFAH among the members) and the focus is on conservation; not firearms legislation.
Feel free to continue this with me by PM if you wish
that is the issue I was driving at regarding hunter support Stubbs.Quote:
Interesting - I can only assume that based on the original scope of the org and perhaps because it was centred around firearms legislation DUC declined as per policy
However you are totally correct in the invaluable service and voice DU has been to wetlands preservation.
Support both ! It's good for the ducks and that's good for you !
I have memberships to both.
- I get more material for my money from Delta : Magazine and free goodies.
-I get better hunting from DU : I hunt a property adjecent to a DU protected site.
Hello Guys,
I joined Ducks Unlimited Canada as a member in 1980 and became a sponsor in 1985.
I joined Delta Waterfowl as a member in 2000 and became a sponsor in 2005 supporting their Adopt a Pothole, Hen House and Predator Management programs as well.
I believe that Reedsducks and Stubble Bum have provided good reasons for everyone to join and support both organizations.
I would like to suggest that anyone interested in supporting waterfowl research also support Long Point Waterfowl ... see their web site for more information. I started a perpetual annual contribution to Long Point Waterfowl in 2011.
I should mention that Ducks Unlimited Canada now produces a special Conservator Waterfowling Heritage issue in the fall.
Jerome Katchin, D.V.M.
Excellent post Stubbs. I donate my time to several DU committees because I truly see where the money is going and everyone involved has the same passion for waterfowl that I do!!:thumbup:
I don't think there is a "bad guy" in this story.. both are great organizations that hunters should support. I am chairman of the local Delta chapter here and I also support DUC annually
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Maybe be you could elaborate on the trapping part for me ?
What would you like to know Matt? DUC isn't anti trapping. Many of our projects have professional trappers actively managing destructive little fur bearers like muskrat which are really hard on earthern water control structures. Damage from muskrats can shave years off the long term viability of a project.
So is DU paying these trappers ? I was never under the impression that DU was against trapping .
Some are paid on a contract basis and some do it on a voluntary basis
Lol I guess my work is voluntary , oh well I'll consider it my contribution to the water fowling community :D:D