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MNR Seeks Assistance From Resident Black Bear Hunters
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The Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) is seeking assistance from resident Ontario black bear hunters to help determine the age structure of harvested bears in the province.
What does the mnr expect? First they acquiesce to the tree huggers armed with false scientific data and close the spring bear hunt and then waste millions with their useless bear wise program that did nothing to slow down human/bear conflicts. Now they want our help. Not a chance so far as I'm concerned.
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Could it be possible that the information gathered from this, could be used to build a case for the spring bear hunt?Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
Equal odds on it building a case for the return of the spring bear hunt OR justifying its cancellation.
Not sure why we are spending money on more studies. Is there not enough evidence there are too many around?
Or even trying to bring in restrictions on the current hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Reminds me of when I was working...........people from head office said we are here to help you,,,,,,,,????Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTek
In the local paper today is says 4 permanent MNR positions in Sudbury and 1 Tech position in Espanola will be gone within 6 months. One of those positions is our biologist. Already you could fire off a bazooka in that office building and no one would hear it.
I doubt very much that any data received from the bear hunt will be actually be put to use as theres too few staff to interpret it.
It sounds like I'm not the only person around that's about had enough of the antics of the OMNR,but,if one was to "root-cause" all the nonsense,the responsibility goes right back to political and bureaucratic interference at all levels regardless of party affiliation. What do we do when we can't trust ANY of them.
There is not a hope in hell the liberals will bring back the spring bear hunt. More likely like Dythbringer said. More restrictions.
The best thing to do is not give them any data at all that they can manipulate to their advantage. And they will try, trust me on that one. Just like that useless mandatory bear questionnaire that I never filled out.
Unfortunately it's the bureaucracy that runs the show, not the responsible scientists and workers of the mnr who actually care and know more about what should actually be done in wildlife issues.
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If the MNR bureaucracy is willing to "manipulate data to their advantage", don't you think they would also use a lack of data to their advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
You have to understand this; its not the MNR calling the shots on whether there's a spring hunt or not, it the government of the day that makes this decision.
This is very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
However, if MNR ask for help, they should identify why they need this data, how it will be processed and for what purpose used.
I don't mind to help MNR because science and wildlife management is not (or should not be) connected to politic. But before I spend my time and money (my understanding is that hunters supposed to pay post duties) I want at least know that this is somehow meaningful. For now it seems that they ask for something but they don't even have the staff to deal with it.
They've been collecting teeth and data for quite a few years. I know the spring season was political but going from unlimited tags (one per bear) to one per season was NOT political. I have asked for years about extra tags for extra $ of course. They came across with extra tags BUT in units up in nowhere'sville. The bear population is exploding and yet NOTHING. Almost like they know less today then they knew before. The WMU that I hunt in has no shortage of bears, lots of conflicts etc etc. Yet they sit in their office and now request my participation AGAIN - at my expense again! Sorry ... when you start participating with my requests then I'll start participating with yours.
Knowledge is a valuable thing but only when you use it!
My slant on this is they're not using it!
I can personally guarantee that they use it, but unfortunately there is a disconnect between the researchers/managers who collect and analyze the information and the policy people who are tasked with making the regulations. If science were the only guiding principle, they never would have cancelled the spring bear hunt - plain and simple. But the government has to consider users other than hunters, so the increasing bear numbers aren't necessarily reflected in regulation. It's maddening, but it's the way of the world.
Be it the way of the world or not. I won't be participating. We still shoot and shovel here.
Lots of Bears for a spring hunt, but you can't see them from Queens Park. I have a friend who has been prospecting for 50 years, this is the first year he has ever carried a gun. I asked him about it, he said it is getting scary in the bush, the Bears are losing their fear of man. I seen one a few weeks back when I was blueberry picking, it stood up and looked at me, never seen that behaviour before, generally they high tail it.
I talked to the MNR in New Brunswick this week and theirs talk of TWO Tags for every hunter in New Brunswick. Not a lot of bear hunters.The MNR should be reminded that rules and regulations are suppose to be standard across Canada. Food for thought. Brent