Just put a deposit down on a English pointer pup should be arriving early this summer going to run in cover dog trials in the future.
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Just put a deposit down on a English pointer pup should be arriving early this summer going to run in cover dog trials in the future.
Congrats on your new addition :)
Sweet, so the dam should be coming into season anytime now eh? Same here, and the wait is killing me.
Thanks she should be coming into heat shortly hopefully it goes well.
Cool. I'm just waiting for an email from the breeder telling me she has gone into heat. She told me last October after finding out there are no pups that she should be back in hetr in feb.
Nice buds, congrats!
Good for you. Trials are a great experience , and you'll meet lots of fine people.Glad to help anytime.u
Nice. That's the Ferrari of pointing breeds. Where is he coming from?Quote:
Originally Posted by trkyhntr21
He is coming from Harris Kennels in Kansas
http://harriskennels.com/litter.php?litterID=174
LOL whoa.... some big names in that pedigree. Well done.:)
Should be a good one. That's a pretty loaded pedigree.
Thanks I hope so.
To be honest, I know nothing about pointer pedigrees but I do know a good looking dog when I see one. Those are truly stunning dogs. Congrats in advance.
Awesome news and at a reasonable price judging from website.Quote:
Originally Posted by trkyhntr21
Yeah I saw that too. With an impressive pedigree like that I would have expected triple the asking price for a pup.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Well now you have a dog with the potential, it's up to you now to get it to perform.
Awesome breeding!! I'd make handling in the woods an early priority. The rest should already be in that breeding. ...very nice.
Thanks he will get a month of development at http://haycreekkennel.com/puppy-development while I finish my other dog this summer.
At least you have another dog to work on while you wait, i'm sure summer cant come fast enough for you. :thumbup:
Kinda of nice no one is questioning that it may not be a future field trial competitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by trkyhntr21
Why should we?Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Are you new to this forum ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
if you take notice , he has been on this forum 3 plus years longer than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
"Kinda of nice no one is questioning that it may not be a future field trial competitor." quote yellow dog
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Originally Posted by Jakezilla http://www.oodmag.com/community/imag...post-right.png "Why should we?"
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LOL Absolutely Eric. The plan is to use him as a future field trial competitor, so why would we question that? Whether he will become a Champion depends on many factors of course.
I think YD was just being facetious or sarcastic. The greater group on here tend to be a bit "judgey" so I can understand his comment.
I think i know why you said that YD. He is just looking to compete and is starting with a well bred litter and you can't do much more than that. If he claimed it was going to be the foundation dog for his kennel without taking a good look at it I might have something more to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Someone gets it !!! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by jobbershunting
Oh my goodness, you missed the joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Not you necessarily.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
declaring your new pup a "future field trial competitor" is quite a bit different from the previous poster (was it you???) who was going to get his new pup titled and use it as the foundation stock for his new kennel...and that statement will generate a lot of questioning where as trkhntr21 is being perfectly reasonable as to his expectations ... "a competitor".Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
This is exactly what I was getting at and it really doesn't matter if you or others think its unreasonable as to my expectations. As for my 25 plus years experience in dog training and understanding of pedigree's may be completely different as trkhn21 but as a competitor I am able transfer my skills .Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
All the best trkhntr21 .
Yellow Dog, you might be able to transfer some of your training skills. I think that is a reasonable/logical expectation. The breeding - of any breed - is not something you do without knowledge about the science of breeding (DNA supported COI, etc. etc. of which I admittedly know too little). You should know about certain genotypical/phenotypical concerns about that specific breed otherwise how do you know what traits to stay away from.....and perhaps you do. Perhaps you faked me out with your forum name.
Perhaps maybe I did. LOL
I have studied many breeds and raced Alaskan huskies, Siberian Huskies, GSP crosses, lab -hound -huskie crosses and Greysters. Have been involved with my own breeding program and mentored a few others as well. I have a very good understanding of specific traits many of these working breeds bring to the table based on hands on experience. I have a Springer pup who I researched for at least a year before I found a proven breeder with the proven bloodlines. The breeder was very surprised at all my questions and criteria I put forward. He was also impressed at the specific lines I was hoping to obtain and the important history behind them. Of course all the background information pertaining to the genetic health of the breed etc. I have many connections in the dog world other than this forum that i receive solid advice from with regards to new breeding programs being developed in different parts of the world. My springer pup is coming along nicely with her training and she amazes me how quickly she catches on and her willingness to please. Your concerns are valid and anyone interested in starting a breeding program need to contact the best breeder or breeders for advice and build a relationship with them to gain critical insight. This doesn't happen over night and can take years before starting such a venture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugo
Congrats trkyhntr :)
So true Yellow Dog. I thought I knew something about breeding many years ago. The older I get, the more I seem to learn. The good news is that wisdom is not a race won. It is an on-going process.
"Life is a classroom."
UJP
Who have you got in your Avatar Ugo?
Yellow dog, I don't think anyone doubts your expereience with sled dogs and I am always interested in what you have to say about nutrition and conditioning. But I sturggle when you start talking gundogs. From your previous posts it seems like you have never been to a trial/hunt test/Navhda event and this is your first springer. I am just curious about how you know she is a good one? Is it because you have worked with a bunch of springers and watched a couple hundred in action or because the internet and the breeder told you so? I know lots of people that think they have good dogs and in their eyes they do but only because their sample size is 10 a the most and they have never seen a good dog or a properly trained one for that matter. I know people that have been breeding and training dogs for 20 years but it doesn't mean they are good at it or know what they are doing it just means they have been doing it for 20 years and there are more than a few out there like that.
Not trying to pick on you but you have made some very bold statements that myself and, I am sure, some of the other expereinced people on the board are struggling with that cause us to question your credibility when it comes to gundogs.
You talk a good game but I am not buying it when it comes to gundogs. Help us out here. Lets leave the pedigrees, breeding and sled dogs behind for a minute and talk gundogs. How many gundogs have you trained? How many have you seen in action and under what circumstances? How do you know that your 6 month old pup is a good one and the exceptional type of dog most of us expect a foundation dog to be?
I live close to you and you are welcome out any time to train or talk dogs because I am interested in your experience with nutrition and conditioning and I just like talking dogs and training with new people.
One thing I have learned about dogs and dog training is that the more I learn the more I realize I don't know anything at all. Whenever I start getting too big for my britches I go and spend some time with one of my mentors and realize that I am still only a grasshopper.
Sharon, that was another huge mistake I made rehoming a dog I should have kept! That is Pocahontas. She's the one you told had done some winning in the southern USA. I knew she was awesome but if I kept them all, there'd be no room for my client's dogs. And...............I'd be single too. :)
So so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugo
Jakezilla, you make some great points. You would be describing me to-a-tee 25 years ago! Hey, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now-and-again, but the downside of breeding is that even the best ,most, knowledgeable, studied, breeders can't make guarantees. That's when I realized that I could best serve my customers by aligning myself with the best sources of the various breeds where I could actually "see what you get" - with some element of consistency.
My strength is in being able to see what I think will develop into a decent specimen however a breeder I am not.
You would think that after all these years I might be equipped to do so. That isn't how it works. It is a studied unique science that requires a huge dedicated investment in $$$$$$ and time. There is also an element of breeding ala-Whele, that many folk would find unpalatable, yet who can argue the results?
I recognize my strengths and will continue to develop them to my best ability. Breeding is not one of them. I wish more folk would leave it to the experienced/capable. We don't need MORE dogs. We need good/better dogs.
Jakesilla, Sorry you had to go to so much effort but I answered most questions in a previous thread answering Kraka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
Cheers
ala-Whele (assume you meant Wehle)...the extent he went to with line breeding? I think he also did some significant outcrosses along the way to unrelated blood lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugo
YD - we hashed through the 'expectations' thing in another thread - so no need to bring it up again here. You wondered why the OP didn't get jumped on like you did - his posts are more in line with what most of the dog people reading this think - yours in your thread were contrary to what dog people think. simple as that.
Guess all this winter is finally getting on folks nerves.
Leaving for Georgia next week. Burbon & Low Country food. Can't wait.
Must of missed that thread while I was down south for a couple weeks training dogs. Can someone link it for me. There have been a couple threads but I don't remember reading anything about experience with gundogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
I think he is referring to the heartless culling program. You can't make a leap forward like Wehle or Miller by being a liberal dog breeder.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Elhew outcrosses were some of the best dogs around but it is fading now that Bob is gone.
Yes it is as simple as that,my point also.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
You lucky dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
Bingo!! I will keep my 2 cents short on this as I know better nowadays to get involved in these topics..first off to the original poster.....to say that is a "well loaded" Pedigree is an understatement......the "goods" are definately there....is that a Gaurantee? Not a chance!! but you are off to a good start....have fun....thats the best advice I can give you.....now back to the "Breeding" topic.......Jakezilla pretty much summed it up in his quote above.......very few people know how many Dogs came in and out of that Kennel just to make a few "good ones" and sorry YD...to make a statement like that...that your Pup will be the foundation of YOUR Breeding program is very Bold....dont misunderstand me....I wish you (and the Pup) all the best and hope it does achieve what you desire......what I want to know (and Im sure all the others here).....what is your secret in you knowing right now that this Pup will be that good? I have 2 pretty "Good" Dogs right now.....well, one is good (Pointer B i t c h) and the other I would classify as exceptional (Setter Male).....the Pointer could use a very nice Male to enhance what she may lack.....she's 7 yrs old now....I still havent found one....my Setter is everything you would want in a Bird Dog, Field Trial Dog and Cover Dog......I have been at this a good part of 30 yrs or more.....I still dont think I have "good enough" product to start a Breeding program.....am I picky? You bet.....am I passionate about Gundogs? Yup!! Like someone mentioned earlier (I believe it was JZ)....not many have seen a truly "good Dog".....like Ugo said....we need better Dogs...not MORE Dogs.....I wish you all the success in the world in your Breeding program....sorry for NOT keeping it short:ashamed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
Now...thats one lucky Dog!! You forgot to mention good ole' Blugrass Music too!....it goes with the Food and the Burbon....wish I was making that trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Tufts
Excellent advice put in an respectful manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointersrule
Thank you
You're not a breeder? I believe you picked this dog's parents. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugo
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4fe6450a.jpg
Uplander's Contessa with Uplander's Little Lady ( both Sharon's dogs)
I think Ugo also had something to do with this knucklehead!
Creekhavens' Simon Sez
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Ohhhhhhh beauty style.:thumbup:
"Recognizing" good breeding and being a dedicated breeder are diverse attributes. Sharon, you and Pointersrule don't have good dogs - you have exceptional dogs!!
If I could be guaranteed of producing those dogs again, I would have already done it.
Now, since I have beat myself up black and blue, I should be able to add that I personally picked a number of dogs from various breeds that have gone on to reasonable success. It's not THAT long of a list however the level of success is respectable.
By-the-way, Sharon's "Tessa" was Ontario derby dog of the year, in case you didn't know. (Sharon is so humble.) That dog was not for the weak of heart!! She was something to behold in her younger days - a handful BUT talk about "take your breath away!"
FYI - I did not breed her - Frank Ferrara did.
You bred Lady and she was Ontario Derby Dog of the Year. You saved Tessa from ...............And let's not forget Callie - unbelievable dog. I can still see you carrying her to the line....Still remember the day I beat you with George on a callback. :D
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Uplanders Techni-Callie
I'd just like to remark that I've been missing Ugo's presence here. Long time no post. Nice to see you back, Ugo.
I dont think thats Callie in the last picture........I could be wrong.
Actually, that is not Callie - it's a dog named Catie. Not too much gets by you eh PR? :)
The 2nd place dog is another dog I trained that belongs to a good friend named "Zeljko". That GSP also has his FDX, named "Case".
By-the-way, Sharon's "George" (GSP) was the real deal and if horseback trials had continued, was destined to be our next open FTCH.....for sure. Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end.....I should write a song!! :)
I remember that little Britt....she was a Bullet and stuck her birds good!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugo
Yes, she was a VERY fast dog coupled with a great nose, steady at 8 months and just oozing style/intensity on point. She has genetics leading back to my Callie but conformation wise, Catie is better built.