Is there such thing as Silver pointing labs? I just came across it, while looking into hunting uplands with labs on google. I thought the 3 colours are Black, Yellow and Chocolate, but I could be wrong.
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Is there such thing as Silver pointing labs? I just came across it, while looking into hunting uplands with labs on google. I thought the 3 colours are Black, Yellow and Chocolate, but I could be wrong.
You are right the 3 colours are yellow (varying shades), chocolate (varying shades) and black. There is a lot of discussion on whether the "silver " colour came from a cross or is a dilute gene. The only way a "silver" can be registered is as a chocolate. Don't be fooled by the term champagne or white either. These are washed out yellows. Fox red falls within the accepted colours for yellow in the standards.
There is such a thing unfortunately. Stay away, far away.
Lol Cass, I was confused that is why I asked. I love my Black Lab and he is the best in the world to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass
Perfect. If you want something silver that points buy a weimeraner! LOL
Good one Cass! Lol
Labs only come in 3 colours, don't be fooled!
Don't be fooled...labs only come in one colour...BLACK (open can of worms here)Quote:
Originally Posted by 4weight
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Originally Posted by Winston
Ha ha ha ha, pass the popcorn :)
Isn't black just an off colour chocolate?:p
Has anyone ever seen a silver lab other than on the internet ? If so what did you think of the dog?
I have seen a few. Extremely poor specimens of the breed. Last one I saw had absolutely no desire to retrieve either.
I had never seen one and was interested if they even behaved like a lab.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebenezer
Bad enough they let them ugly yellows in and worse yet the super ugly chocolates but now silvers too ? Damn lab breed is going to shat . If it isn't black it's just another designer dog .
:D:D:D
TD
The first one I saw belongs to a couple who come from Texas to summer in our area. It did not like to swim and did not retrieve. But then they did not have it for a hunting dog. It also had a number of health issues, include bad hips. The last one I saw was again a house pet. A sort of look at what I have situation, isn't it unique. The owner had it a test but it was not entered because again it didn't want to pick up feathers.All that I have seen have had very fine coats. Didn't get right down and examine to see if they were double coated but coats were very slick. All had long legs, fairly deep chests, thin tails and were more stream lined than most labs.I have never seen one entered in any event here in Canada but have heard that there are a few running tests in the US. Part of the problem is that when you are breeding for one trait (colour) other desireable traits get lost in the mix.
First, my wife saw a picture of one, now has it on her desktop and has been after me to look into getting one.
Of course we all know, if it isn't a Chocolate,,,,, it is just a dog.
She may have you there because "silvers" have to be registered as chocolate. Be careful be very careful, one chocolate owner to another.
Here's a silver with a chocolate. Both are only 8 months old at the time. She (silver) loves to retrieve and swim
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I met a woman once who bred them (along with a bunch of other animals but that's another story). I never seen them do anything other than bark in their runs. I do remember half were blocky and fat looking and the others were varying degrees of gangly. Kind of odd looking in my opinion. Most of them were a very light silver.
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Here she is today. 30 inches at the shoulder and eighty pounds ( little heavy). She's every much a lab as is my chocolate or black that we have.
They claim that it politics that dictates kennel clubs decision on whether there is such a " color" of lab. Many claim it's pressure from the three color breeders that the kennel club won't accept silver as being a "Lab" color.
This argument can go on forever as to whether Silver Labs exist or not.
Looks kinda brown to me.
Maybe this will help.
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Silver Lab
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Chocolate (brown) Lab
Has any DNA testing ever been done to determine if a weimerwarner is in its background ? Sorry for the spelling .lol
Nope. I certainly wouldn't spend the money on DNA to ensure any dogs true breed. We don't breed silver labs or any labs to make money. She's a pet as you can see who will hold her own in the field. What more can you ask for.
I didn't ask you to do the DNA test I just asked if any breed club or organization did.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoytG3
I find this topic interesting because it makes me wonder if all breed founders and early pioneers were subject to as much scrutiny as anyone trying to create their own breed nowadays.
From what I have seen over the years of dog forums is that there was a period in history when it was acceptable for new breeds to emerge but that time has since past and it will never be acceptable in the future.
Yes there has been DNA testing done. If you do a google search on that you will find your answer. But you can only base your opinion on what you read. Both pros and cons on whether Silver Labs truly exist. Im not into the scientific breakdown on labs to be the expert. I know what I have laying on the couch right know. She retrieves geese along side the chocolate and will blood trail deer. But with that being said, you can train any dog to do what you want. Right!
They probably didn't have shelters and pounds over run with unwanted dogs back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by jobbershunting
Your right on that. Unwanted dogs were dealt with.Quote:
Originally Posted by last5oh_302
one of the kennels in the States breeding "silvers" was caught with visla dna in the dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
I think its three things one is that there is a breed out there for whatever it is that people use a dog for and generally a specific line within a breed can be found. Second society generally isn't very tolerant today of what past generations had to do to get the breeds we have today. If you are starting a breed you have to be merciless and the ones that don't fit the mold didnt get given away or sent to a shelter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jobbershunting
Third is you need a person with a clear vision on what kind of breed he wants and he better have lots of money.
Maybe I'm color blind.. I still don't see the difference.
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Originally Posted by topher
You too? Don't worry about it, I will throw a wrench into the colour wheel of Labs...
Black is not considered a colour. Chocolate is a sweet treat, Yellow is the only true colour on a colour wheel, that much I remember from Art class.
Breeding and training is what is important in making a good hunting partner, or companion dog for that matter.
HoytG3, you have 2 beautiful looking labs there, either one would be a privilege to hunt with.
Yellow Dog there is quite a lengthy thread on the RTF forum discussing the genetic and the presenc eof a dd gene in silvers that would indicate the dog was not labrador. Too complicated for me.
Thanks i will read that information, very curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebenezer
Thems fightin words!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
Gosh, I find this post very depressing. I had my heart set on a pink Lab for my wife. Who cares if it can't find the kibble on the kitchen floor! Not sure how I'm going to break this to her now.
I am pretty sure that every dog has wolf DNA :)
Looks interesting, not sure that Weimaraner ties would hurt a dog for birdy activities, but the inbreeding and pushing for colour rather than work ethic would hurt the breed.
I really do hate these "breed standards" though, the kennel clubs are really twisting dog breeds, every breed is a designer dog, nobody seems to care about the health and well being of the breed in the long term, they want the look and feel that is all.
I still to this day believe that muts end up being the healthiest animals, they may be unpredictable in what they can do or can't, but they always seemed to out last the pure bread dogs.
No that would be a crap shoot unless these mutts came from genetically healthy stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Just speaking of family history with farm mutts, the mutts always do better and always have less problems from what we have seen. There have been lots of pure bread animals but the mutts are the ones that have cost the least amount on vet bills and lived the longest. Lab/Shepard crosses have done really well for us as farm dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Why would anyone take the time and effort to develop a new breed. Work to get it recognized, when you can cross just about anything and sell them to J Q Public for big money. My hair stands on end every time someone introduces me to their pure bred labradoodle or goldendoodle that they paid 1200 to 1800 dollars for. The general public has not got a clue when it comes to dogs.
I've known one fairly well. A buddy got it for his wife. The only thing that it had in common with a regular lab is that it was extremely friendly and ate everything in sight. It is the single most unintelligent animal that I have ever encountered. It is so dumb I'm amazed it didn't drown in its own water bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
ROFLMBO
I had a dog once that would keep banging his head against his crate door if it was closed.:silly:
Here's another great cross. A friend had a large chessie which tended to be dog agressive but he was a good looking dog. A guy approached him to breed his Irish Setter. He wanted to produce a better upland dog. Would have been a great match, a dog that bit you but didn't know why.
Anyone get a look at the labrador that won best of group at Westminster?
Every dog is a cross breed, you never know, someone may take the labradoodle over the next 5 generations and end up with the best retriever that money can buy, and you would not have to invent the next best vacuum to clean up after it, ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebenezer
If you could have a retriever that would do its job and not shed like a lab why not :).
That being said, poodles were originally bird dogs and in the water too, maybe we just need the poodle breed to be bread for its original purpose again rather than to look good for its owner.
With so many proven breeds out there , I cannot understand why some one would pay an exorbitant price for a crossbred dog that will exhibit any possible crap shoot of characteristics with no guarantee of what the dog will turn out to be.
What happens if you wind up with is a dog with the worst characteristics of both breeds ? what do you do euthanize it?
Which is why there will always be people who will breed these dogs. They only do it for one reason. Money. Hyphenate two breeds and the idiots will line up to buy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Ugh, and there, Terrym has hit the nail on the headQuote:
Originally Posted by terrym
LOL , hmmmmmmm :/ you could always slap a pink collar with little red hearts on the pup, she'll just melt when you surprise her with it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugo
U mean the cow?Quote:
Originally Posted by ebenezer
Wow, that is one large Lab too.
Hey Quackaddict, the only thing that will melt is the electrical wiring if I bring home another dog....unless it's a pink Lab. I'm holding out for a designer Lab that will meet my wife's wishes. I want her to get EXACTLY what she wants. That's just the kind of guy I am.
Fox, I'm not here to dispute your experience with mixed breeds however there is a whole world of dogs out there for you and I yet to experience. You see, I need my dogs to perform at an expected level in the field. You may not have those same aspirations for your dog(s).
The only undisputable advantage of the mixed breed farm dog is the purchase price. That said, it is not a reflection of ensuing costs. For example, you run 2 dogs and one is a bootlicking lollygagger while the other is a relentless bird finder - a real fire-cracker! It is not a leap to expect that the fire-cracker is more likely to get injured when working.
Finally, even if the mixed breed farm dog is a decent bird dog, there is no real incentive to perpetuate/breed that particular dog because there is virtually NO guarantee that you will get one anything like it and that can bring with it a plethora of other issues.
As I said earlier a crap shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugo