I just figured, why not, lets just start it and have it over with in no time.
Mods, remove as you will, just trying to make a point here.
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I just figured, why not, lets just start it and have it over with in no time.
Mods, remove as you will, just trying to make a point here.
If one's head is up one's *$$ - does it then become a "Texas Heart Shot." :joker::joker:
OK,consider it ....over.LOL There's a thread already running on "What constitutes a humane kill shot."
LOL @ Fox. You sure do want to stir the pot.
Sorry buds, I am not going to bite into this one. It is clear to me now that if you put 5 hunters into a forum you are going to have at least 6 opinions...
and some name calling :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
Heart lungs as taught on Hunter Safety Course.
bang flop....
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...ailcam0003.jpg
seems to work for these chaps
http://youtu.be/_vNLV6OmciU
Andd your point is?... You ran away on your last big cats thread... Took you a minute from leaving that one and start this one...to start more controversy ....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I must say... No tracking there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
Dangit Mike . That's inhumane . LOL He's supposed to bleed out first . LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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Liked the video.
more into body shots..............of tequilla!!!
"coup de grace" head shot works
nothing better than a brain splatter!!!
agreed if you hit your mark its a for sure thing but if you miss your mark and blow off its nose the animal will suffer. broad side shots give you a bigger margin of error.
So what about taking body shots at turkeys then . ? I shoot at the head on them too although I guess there is that chance I might only hit the beak and cause suffering .
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If there is only few more minutes of day light, a head shot is the way to go. You miss or it drop right there.... No tracking or free meal for yotes.
squirrel + .22 + headshot = dinner! :)
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Originally Posted by Hunter John
Wow! Love the slow-mo.
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Originally Posted by seabast
Never looked at it this way, but I like it and will share at my camp.
Are we talking grassy knoll or everyday shooting?
You should take the shot you have confidence in making. If you just aren't sure, then don't take it!
Grassy knoll. It surpassed everyday talent, mob hit-men and Jason Bourne (CIA) on the previous thread, the thread that spawned this abortion.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
A guy I know proudly displays the lower jaw of a moose he shot off.
MORON!!!
I wouldn't call it a head shot then . .
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We have a winner,,,,,,,,,Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
That's what I have been told at the camp few years ago. Worked for me once so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by ysyg
This was not to stir any pots, this was an experiment, to see how many pages would end up on here, it is based on the Humane shot thread.
I run away from nothing but I know when it is not worth my time anymore, the cougar thread was not worth my time, I picked my battle and walked away.
Nothing but head shots for me. Except I use my finger gun. And it shoots fun!
Or you might blow its nose or lower jaw off...Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
and for all of you that are going to whine about not shooting if you can't hit...there are a lot of hunters out there who attempt shots that they can't make. Can't count the number of wounded deer I've recovered over the years wounded by others.
If you can make the shot, great. But lets not get into encouraging those who can't make it that its a good idea.
That's a pretty poor straw man BB. I assume you are using a shotgun and are hitting him in the head, and neck with many pellets.Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
I have never personally taken a head shot, just cause I am not comfortable with that.......but just curious is it a shot that has to be taken head on or is it just as effective shooting in the side of the head.
My guess is it would be about the same - brain target is roughly the same dimensions from the front as from the side...the one difference from side/front is that the skull angles are different, so a lower powered round (.30-30 or .44 mag) may experience deflection problems - but that is more hypothetical issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by twostroke
The one running deer I did head-shoot was running down a hill towards me. I shot him in the head (30-30, 170 gr ST), just below the left antler - but it was off to the side enough that it did not enter his skull, but blew a hole out near his ear. It knocked him down though but he needed a finisher.
I haven't read this entire thread nor do I plan to. Taking head shots is not ethical hunting in my book. I would not be surprised if more than 50% of shooters couldn't hit an apple at 50 yds and that apple is actually bigger than the brain. Why risk blowing the face off a deer and have it die a slow painful death. Flame me , curse me I couldn't care less. Head shots are a very easy shot to mess up and the deer is the one who can pay a very big price. Why do people have this mentality that killing deer is like swatting mosquitos? Respect your game and kill them humanely.
Took a bull moose with a head shot. Had tracked him in fresh snow during some inclement weather, and found him bedded down in a small stand of pines. Only part of him clearly visible was his head, which was broad side to me. Shot taken at 40 yards and it was over. I can say, if the only shot available was head on, I would not have shot.
In all my years of hunting and guiding I have yet to see a deer get up from a head shot or seen any of these jaws etc, woundings some claim here happen . It and a neck shot consistently anchors them on the spot so how can you say it's inhumane . ? I got a feeling some won't take it is because they are more worried about damaging the cape than anything else . Even butchers take the head not the heart or lungs whether its beast or fowl . There is a good reason for that . It's humane .Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
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I tracked one deer that had its tongue shot off and left lots of bone splinters - never recovered it - probably tracked it a couple of miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
Re butchers - a poor comparison - they are either shooting a .22 at a range of about 4" or using a captive bolt pistol held up against the skull. And when I worked in a slaughterhouse, I have seen 3 beef that had been shot in the forehead and knocked to the floor, had their throats cut and then get up and walk around until they bleed out.
Poultry are held in funnels or shackles upside down and have their throats cut.
As far as the "...in all my years..." this is a real puzzler for me, because there are a few on the board here that claim years and years of experience but seem to be very limited in what they have seen...doesn't make sense.
It's not straw man at all Werner or why not take the body ? Just because many pellets are flying it only takes one to penetrate the brain right . ? If you want to though go single projectile then what about bows . They make specific arrows even to decapitate turkeys or are you going to argue that too ? There is a reason for that .Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
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It's about as straw as they come.Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
Loss and recovery or long recoveries should be your answer Werner. How many times does it come up every season where body shots have been taken and either the animal taking a long time to recover and sometimes not at all . You sure don't hear about that happening with head or neck shots other than in this thread and even that is a rarity . So yes your point doesn't make sense . Claiming that this shot is inhumane or anything else is beyond belief .Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
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Ok Werner . I'll just blow my nose and continue to shoot straight and put them down . It seems to bother you that I have a larger arsenal in my resume ' of what shots to take . If your stuck on body shots , that's fine by me . I have that and two others namely the neck and head .Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
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How many shooters are going to brag about shooting the jaw off a deer? And then never recovering it? A target the size of a small apple that moves quickly is a poor choice. I actually killed a cow moose a few years ago that had a nice clean bullet hole in her ear. The moose has about 3-4 times a bigger target yet someone who believes in head shots made a poor shot. Moose are bigger and slower. Luckily that moose just had a small hole in her ear and still had it's face.
Ask anyone who tries head only shots for a while.They are a hair off and wound one on a graze.
Take that same shot at a double lung and its a dead deer fast.
Just my thoughts.From losing a head shot or two not perfect.Never a good double lung hit.Ever.
Not stuck on body shots BB...I've shot deer in the head, neck, boiler room, front on, spine, texas heart...Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
But I do know the difference in odds on making those shots and go for the lowest risk shot available.
...and I'm not hung up on a head/neck shot when a better target is available.
sounds like your not a very confidant shooter..and I quote you from a previous thread..."why not take the easiest shot"Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
There is no "better target" for a clean fast kill than a shot that drops a deer in it's tracks. If you choose to take the 'easier shot' that prolongs the death of the deer, be my guest, but don't make accusations that the shot I choose is wrong in any way, because it's not.
Turkeys have been proven to be literally "bullet proof" when body shot. That is why hunters are taught and encouraged to wait till their head and neck are extended and vulnerable.Quote:
Originally Posted by 400bigbear
Past 20 yards, your pellets have very poor chances of killing a body shot tom. At most, they'll send him for a tumble and then he'll be in the bush and away so fast you don't even have a followup shot.
Its the head shot guys that don't wont to track there game that,
A, "Use the excuse that it didn't drop so they must have missed it" (To lazy to take the right shot and go find it) Then the rest of the really outdoors guys get a bad name when a land own, usually an anti, puts us in your ranks of unethical hunters after they find or see a deer with its jaw shot off or a head scare.
Its about error factor.
Dim light,,, more of a reason to put the bullet where it should go. Chest.
Some people just wont get it, then complain about loosing it.
As a hunter I cant wait to see the end of buck shot. Not because of everyone who uses it but because you cant fix the stupid!
Closed before we have a repeat. Have a good weekend everyone - get out and enjoy the warmer temps and don't forget Family Fishing Weekend is this weekend - introduce someone to ice fishing.