I just had a pup born in the U.S, and he will be there for training untill August. I'm driving to Idaho to pick him up, any paperwork needed to bring him accross?
Thanks in advance,
Don.
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I just had a pup born in the U.S, and he will be there for training untill August. I'm driving to Idaho to pick him up, any paperwork needed to bring him accross?
Thanks in advance,
Don.
Certificate showing rabies vaccination if he/she is over 3 months old.
A Bill of Sale for the selling price of the dog in addition to Rabies Certificate.
Dick
Thanks. He'll be 6 months old. Will any taxes be levied?
Don.
Yes they will. My advice is don't try and screw customs. They know darn well you aren't going through that trouble and expense for a $300 dog even if you have a receipt that says that. I declared full value and other than them wanting to play with the cute puppy it was a smooth process.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoli 16ga.
Thanks BDH I forgot about that. Yes you will be taxed if you are over your personal exemption limit. Make sure you have some sort receipt and the sellers phone number. They get funny about the valuation of dogs at the border.
I know they recently increased the amount you can bring over the border for a weekend stay.... Something you may want to look into....
Thanks! All great info!
He's coming out of Cedarwoods in Idaho.
Don.
Yes, you want to declare the dog as they will give you receipt for the taxes levied. Keep the receipt with your dog's travel documents should you end up crossing back and for across the border. If you do not have a receipt (did not claim the dog when originally coming home into Canada) and on a future trip back from the US into Canada without a receipt, it is determined that the dog had been originally imported and taxes not paid, CBSA will determine a value on the dog and taxes will then need to be paid. Could be less, but then again it could be a lot more!
Just curious, has anyone ever heard of this actually happening? I always declare pups but since they are pointers they almost always fall under my maximum personal exemption so no tax is paid and no receipt is received. The few times I have been over the limit with pups they just flagged me through anyway so no receipt there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Creek
Driving out there will take you more than 2 days so the exemption will be $800: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/mobile/rrc-rrp-4-eng.html
We have been twice. I would think if the OP is travelling out to Idaho to pick up his pup, it is probably over his $800 exemption. Even if the pup was just over the personal exemption, and if I knew I was going to be crossing back and forth for tests / trials / training or hunting, I would rather pay any tax owed above exemption on that pup's initial entry into Canada, than have an officer place a higher value on the dog on a future trip and have to pay that tax bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
Interesting. So what did they ask for that brought this up? I always assumed that my registration papers for the dogs were proof.
I just brought my lab back from Michigan to Windsor on Nov 25th. I had the bill of sale and vet papers ready for the officer he did not want to see them and gave me the congrats and waved me through. It helps if you bring your kids with you and have them hold the pup! It would have to a real cold hearted officer not to just wave you through. Now when I go back and forth all you need is the rabie cert and they have no way of knowing where my dog came from and they have no right to charge me or anyone taxes on a dog that has been with you once the rabies shot has been given.
Yup ... We have had this happen as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
Jakezilla ... Believe me we do not go looking for trouble! LOL! But when asked why we were across the border we stated we were picking up a pup, we were asked by the CBSA officer to see the international health certificate and bill of sale and then told to head inside to pay the tax. Considering CBSA's ability to determine a price on an older dog, I would just as soon have the paperwork showing I paid tax on the imported dog rather than have them determine a price at a later date!
Now if the buyer is never going to cross the border again with the dog they don't have anything to worry about if they do not have the paperwork showing taxes were paid on the pup. But we do cross the border on a regular basis to run tests and to head to South Dakota for pheasant hunting and I do not want to have to worry about someone determining the value on my US born dog that is now a GMHR, MHR or MH. (And even if the dog was not titled, you are coming home with a junior level ribbon IN the vehicle!)
My friend just got a pup recently from the US. She was driving back with the pup all papers ready. The officer didn't find the bill of sale ($500) good enough so she have to pay an other $450.
BINGO!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jnyiri
I only spent 24hrs in the US when I picked up my Brittany and the selling price was $1100 so I had to pay HST. I got receipts for it although im not sure I kept them. For the few extra bucks in taxes it wasn't worth trying to scam custom's as they can easily check the breeder's web site to confirm prices.
I cross the border regularly with my dogs and I understand the puppy thing and have been told that "I didn't pay enough for the dog" and they tried to hose me until they looked up the litter on the internet. The problem I am having is how can they say or prove that you didn't declare or pay tax on your 5 year old dog at the time of importation 4.5 years ago if it fell under your personal exemption or you were waved through. I just don't see this standing up to scrutiny and who has the burden of proof in this situation. It just sounds like border guard in the middle of a nasty divorce and he needs to take it out on someone. I haven't looked at the rules lately but I am not aware of any rule that requires proof of ownership and what is considered proof of ownership. How many dogs cross the border each year with snowbirds and the only proof of ownership is their name as owner on the rabies certificate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Creek
I am not doubting you DC and I see your point I am just not aware of any regulations that make something like this enforceable. If someone tried this on me I would be looking to speak to a supervisor.
I have to disagree with this statement, since I am working with CBSA for 10 years now. Have you heard of started dog? You know and I know their value is not less then $1500 minimum. Also the rabies shot just mentions when the dog received it, not who the owner was at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
plus someone pulling you over is doing their job, which has nothing to do with having a heart or no heart. Dakota Creek is right here, if no receipt and you get pulled over, good luck. Also be honest with pricing, all the officers know that no idiot will travel 100s of KM to get a pure bred dog for $200.
Good dogs aren't necessarily expensive. I have been to South Carolina, Tennessee and Wisconsin for dogs and never paid more than $500.
LOL Guess I am one since I drove to Wisconsin to pick up my re-homed dog. Bill of sale was $1. At the border we were asked to show the bill and I also gave them the vet record that he'd been vaccinated for rabies. The customs guy questioned the bill of sale. Told him this is a neutered dog. Can not be bred nor shown because he is neutered. He was simply a house dog and I asked the agent to name a value. The agent waved us through.Quote:
no idiot will travel 100s of KM to get a pure bred dog for $200.
deleted. Forget the rant. Bobbing around in the North Sea is getting to me.
"Make sure you have a veterinarian give you a letter stating the dog has been examined and cleared health wise before you get to customs. You will also be charged HST so will need a bill of sale too. Be warned, custom's agents realize that people don't drive hundreds of miles into another country to buy a $100 dollar dog that is purebread. Have the breeder give you a few days worth of the food it has been eating to minimize the shock to its system if you cant buy it locally. " quote ?????
How can they prove that dog was brought in from the us.. And not yours before the trip... I have no papers or anything for my dog... Guess I need vaccination papers.. But what's to say that was my dog originally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
That's my point. I am not saying DC didn't have that happen to him or have the question raised. I just want to know if this is for real and an enforceable situation or if it was some cowboy making up the rules as he went along.Quote:
Originally Posted by topher
Do you carry pedigree papers with you in case that someone may be interested to breeding to one of your dogs? We do ... And your CKC registration papers not only show the owner of the dog (you) but they also show who the breeder is ...with their location. That being said, can you now prove if you paid HST upon importing the puppy initially? Just saying! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
FDSB pedigrees are a little different but it wouldn't take much research to find out where the breeders of the dogs were located. There was no HST paid on any of my dogs because they all fell under my personal exemption when imported. I have to assume that both times this has happened to you it was some cowboy and if it would have been brought up with their supervisor you would have received an apology and been sent on your way.
I brought a pup back last March from the US. Just needed a vet check within 10 days of crossing the border. If it is over 3 months it will also need proof of rabies vaccination. Also bring a receipt of sale.
Correct me if I am wrong or misunderstanding, Canadian Vet checked it and all the shots are done here, obviously he wasn't brought from US.Quote:
Originally Posted by topher
Plus you mentioned you travel a lot, so when you come back and you mark you have dogs on your custom paper, you are send to CBSA secondary check, how much you pay per dog and why. And if you don't mark that you carrying a dog or live animal what is the penalty and why.
I have no ckc papers or tax papers or any papers for my dog. So does that mean j could not take her to Florida? I don't know if she's pure setter or not.. And frankly I don't care.. She's not a show dog. She my companion.. But how do I prove she was mine before I left? Hey.. How can I prove that I didn't buy my daughter Nintendo when we cross the border or half the other goods.. Am I at the mercy of them charging me taxes on anything the seem fit?
I have been to the us two times in 12,years.. Okay.. I guess the vet papers make sense. Don't know where I mentioned I travel a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by labtalk
For electronics and stuff you can stop before you cross and get a little green card with the item and serial number written on it to prove you didn't purchase it in the US. We used to do that with guns before the registry and the ATF form 6.
My wife and I crossed the border with our dog and all we needed was the rabies vaccine papers. The border guard never even wanted to look at the papers.Quote:
Originally Posted by topher
The above is what we just did ourselves in January 2014 bringing my pup home but I beleive it is 3 days now to cross within date of health check, here is the link with the info you need:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals/.../1331876307796
If you can show an on-line posting with the price that information will help the CBSA officer also, as said earlier there are good dogs to be found under $800 (as in my case) and you just need to provide credible evidence of the cost to avoid paying taxes 'deemed' over what you paid.
Good luck with your new dog.
Thanks Marker, that link is perfect! I will declare price paid, $1200. So HST on the extra $400 is $52. Not worth the hastle of trying to cheat my way around the system.
D.
That's how I saw it too. Considering all the money invested in the dog a few bucks isn't worth being blacklisted by Customs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoli 16ga.
Another example of poorly provided information by our beloved govt. If you read it carefully, you will see that health certificate is only required for dog NOT accompanied by the owner.
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Originally Posted by Marker
Was you dog purchased in the US and imported into Canada? This discussion was started by the OP primarily looking for information about importing a puppy from the US and therefore tax needing to be paid on the purchase of a pup.Quote:
Originally Posted by topher
I mentioned having the receipt for taxes paid on the pup remaining with your dog paperwork when clearing the border for people travelling to tests, trials or hunting with vehicles that look like they seriously hunt with dogs or participate in any sort of "dog games" ... A truck with a dog topper, pulling a dog trailer or a truck cap with 1+ kennels in the back ... Giving the impression that money may have been spent on buying a dog and possibly importing it from the US. This was not meant to worry the owner with an older dog crossing the border on vacation.
If you are simply looking for your dog to cross the border with you, are you need is a current rabies certificate for the dog going into the US or back into Canada.
So if the wife and I take a trip to pick him up, will both our exemptions apply to the value of the dog? Seems to work with other purchases...cloths, electronics, etc.D.
Unfortunately you can not,Quote:
Originally Posted by zoli 16ga.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publicati...-eng.html#s2x9
Theres a bit of paperwork involved, but you'll be paying tax on the cost of the dog + admin fees for importing an animal.
Not too hard to do though... just call and they'll walk you through it.
Congrats on the new dog Don. Exciting times.
Thanks, the wait is killing me. Lots to do, and learn, before he arrives. I'll join the Grand River NAVHDA chapter most likely, even though I have access to tons of grouse and covers, and a guy who trained his Vizsla. I was going to call him Kaiser, but the family veto'd that and looks like they're going to name him Hunter. Hunter works for me. He'll mostly be called buddy, or idiot from my experiance with my current dog ; )