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Time for a new pup !!
I'm looking for a female black lab pup that will be ready to go in the next couple of weeks. Ive come into some time off and the timing is perfect for a new dog. The hard part is trying to find a pup with such short notice but thats just how it is.
So if you know anybody who has a black female for sale with decent breeding can you let me know please.
Thanx for your time, G
Check the Canadian Hunting Dogs forum. A few litters posted on there that look sweet!
Ive been trying too but you cant view the puppy for sale section until you are a full member and that seems to be taking a while.
So i figure Id post here as well..
thanks for the response though !!
G
Gord all the breeding listed on CHD are also listed on RTF three very nice breedings localy. Ruth Beach at Jerryru has a very nice breeding that should be able to go home any time.
Chris
x2 for Black Dog's advice. You've got some tremendous breeders to pick from including 3 BD
Dave Thompson has a litter of black and yellows. I believe they are ready to go in 3 weeks or so. I think there are 2 black females available but will not be home for awhile and is training in Ga.Nice breeding as well.
Ruth's and Al's are all sold.Irene and Ron only had 2 males left but they may be gone as well. This must be the year for puppies or it is a sign that economy has picked up. A while back people weren't breeding cause there was just no market.
I tried Ruth first Chris, hoping for another wild black pig but they are all sold. I PMd Krakadawn for more info.
Thanks very much for quick responses.
Cheers, G
Birdsrup,
You have a response
As Chris mentioned, try the Retriever Training Forum too if you don't mind crossing the border to get a pup. I drove down to Ohio to get my choc boy and couldn't be happier!
I'm kind of surprised at the choice of Jerryu dogs but it was some years ago that I looked at them . Good to hear .
TD
The breeding Ruth has right now is all field bred on both sides a very strong pedigree. I know both dogs a very nice compliment to each other.Quote:
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Chris
Wow....I guess black is back! :)
Glad to see our Canadian breeders with super hi class dogs whose pups are finding good homes.
Never went any where Ugo just choose to help in person. How you keepin ?
I don't know if you have found a pup yet but I have one coming from Bo at stealth point he has three litters all on the ground now and the litter mine is coming from had a few left. Not sure what they were tho. You'll have to call him he doesn't keep his site up to date.
Stealth point pointing labs?
Checked out the website....are they purebreds ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whosinthebushes
What attracted you to buy a pup from this kennel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whosinthebushes
-price?
-quality?
-track record?
Good for you. Post a post when he arrives and enjoy that pup. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Whosinthebushes
Of course their purebred I would be flying to Wyoming to pick up some Heinz 57 mix. I was put on to stealth point by Shawn at hunters rose in Michigan. I was originally trying to get a pup from Shawn but his breeding schedule and my time that I wanted a pup didn't work out and he highly recommended stealth point. The dam of my pup is a real performer. And it just so happens that a fellow hunter friend of mine owns her sister. And from talking with Shawn at hunters rose who originally bred the dam of my pup and seeing what her sister can do there is no doubt in my mind that there is no questions about the dam. The sire was also highly recommended as being a champ with many titles to back his name. So from looking at the pedigrees from both pups as well as knowing dogs from the dams litter there was no question is my mind about what this pup could be capable of. His price was right in line with what every other breeder is asking for a pointing lab.
I checked the web page for these dogs but I can't seem to find the health clearances for these dogs. What kind of champion is the father?
By the way I know of an excellent "Move the dog" service which many have used that is very personalized. I can provide Katie's contact info if desired.
I have seen many pointing labs advertised and they look different from other field lines. How did the pointing lab as a breed develop ?
Is the pointing lab an off shoot of the American field lines ? Is it a breed that has developed between a small group of breeders that wanted to change the lab ?Quote:
Originally Posted by krakadawn
I don't think there was any intent to change the 'lab' but there has been for some time a number of breeders who produce dogs that point. At times there have been crosses with field trial/hunt test dogs.
Thank You.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whosinthebushes
The top side of the sire is essentially some of the older FT lines. Nice to see he is EIC clear, knowing some of the individuals.
Krakadawn could you pass that info on I'd appreciate it. Delivery details are still not yet established. Thank you in advance
PM sent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whosinthebushes
Many appear much taller,longer ,narrow head and a long curved tail not an otter tail. If you are breeding dogs that point or the intent is to produce dogs that point then change will occur. If i wanted a dog that points then i would buy a pointer. I would think taking this breeding route doesn't do the breed any good. Whosinthebushes is this what you really want ?Quote:
Originally Posted by krakadawn
Gun dog magazine has an interesting article on the pointing lab from 2010. If a pointing lab is what you want then do your homework and make sure you see the parents work and point. Very good article.
There are lots of pointing lab enthusiasts out there. They are quite popular. Different strokes for different folks.
something I saved:
"I believe most any dog can be made to point. Notice what they've done with labs- the pointing lab. Pointing is a trait I believe comes from wild dogs a long time ago. It wasn't really pointing ,but rather stopping to avoid scaring off the prey they were after. Is it intensified with breeding? I believe it is. You'll notice that at some point in the training process , most if not all dog's will creep toward the bird. That, I believe is natural. Those that take their dog's hunting and learning on the job, Don't have dogs that just go out and point things for them from the start. What they do is only shoot birds the dog handles properly. Imagine turning a dog loose on poor flying game farm birds. The dog would learn in a short time it can catch most if not all of them. Consider what happens with flushing dog's. All probably hesitate at first. They've come across something they don't recognize. The idea is to get the dog pushing up the bird, easy smeezy, let the dog catch birds on the ground, who cares, they won't catch many wild birds ,but if those same dog's aren't allowed to catch birds, they learn to hesitate before going in. It's called blinking, a negative in flushing dogs. (Most blinker's are taught to blink. )
I think the trait's we see in dogs have always been there and are buried in there on all dogs. But through breeding, the traits we look for are brought out. Labs weren't pointing eog's until someone figured out they could be made to point depending on how they are trained. All the breeder's of them are doing is bringing out instincts that were already there and they attempt to intensify them."
quote DF
Pointing test for labs are similar to Working Certificate test in CKC it is a one time test. Then you get the title. So in the pedigree when you see 3 x GMP it just means the dog has passed 3 pointing tests.
Gord knows what be is looking for this is not his first rodeo. His dogs perform very well.
Chris
Well put. With spaniels (at least springers and cockers) in the UK it was traditionally thought that a dog that flash pointed (did a quick point before flushing) was an advantage and desirable. Here in NA that would be frowned upon greatly as we hold a "bold flush" in higher regard (ie. the dog almost snatching the bird out of the air). You can see pointing of some degree in every breed right before pouncing on a grasshopper or chasing a squirrel. Selective breeding is what enhances that trait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
I feel like this forum has been totally high jacked from its intent. I was just trying to help someone potentially find a new family member/hunting buddy/friend (a pup). I feel like this debate Is going to drag on for a long time and in this forum it shouldn't. Good luck with finding a pup. Cheers. brad
LOL you have much to learn threads on ood dog forum never stay on course start one on gun intro or read the last picking a pup thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whosinthebushes
You're right but he got good responses to his post and some PMs. It's a long winter and we are looking for something to talk about. If someone one wants they can take my post above and start a new thread with the quote. I can't because it's March break and the kids only give me so many minutes a day on the computer. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Whosinthebushes
Wow if this thread ruffles your feathers you're in for quite a ride. This one hasn't even been negative.
Sure Sharon sounds good anyone want to start the thread based on Sharon's quote. Anyone ? Common someone start it after all we all can get along right :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Some very interesting information with regards to the pointing lab. Two thumbs up.
My golden many years ago use to do the same thing and point if she came upon a deer laying down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Yes, I too found the OPs question very vague. He's looking for a female Lab pup. That could mean anything!
Never lose your sense of humour people. Spring is just around the corner so lets all get along just a wee while longer. :)
Actually, young dogs more-often-than-not point because they are intimidated. They have no idea if the critter emanating that smell is going to grab them by the throat. That is why folk come along with young pups saying, "Look he's only 10 weeks old and is already pointing!" When that same dog first learns birds won't hurt him, he chases like a demon! It's all perfectly normal.
I personally see no reason to have a pointing flusher. Seems a bit ambiguous. I like my pointer to point and my flusher (Lab) to flush - as do most folk. That said, flushers typically work with their noses low working ground scent. Pointers ideally work head high looking for the very edge of that scent cone so that they can hit the brakes a safe distance from causing a flush. So, if you have a "pointing" Lab that works head low, he will not be very successful at "pointing" wild birds for the handler to flush. I am NOT saying the pointer will find more birds than a flusher or vice versa. I'm saying what the outcome of the find brings to the table is significantly diverse - point vs flush. Hence why I prefer flushers (Lab, spaniel, etc.) on pheasants.
Hmmm.....female Lab pup. ?????
Yes I like that observation and never really looked at it that way.
I have heard both theories. I believe the point from fear may occur in initial exposure to a new scent and I have seen pointer pups stop dead on strange/unfamiliar scent other than birds. After bird scent is known, the pointer pups I have dealt with start to point/hunt/stalk the scent with intent to capture so I lean more towards "the point is the start of a stalk" theory, but who really knows. Once they see the bird or it is in the air the chase is on.
I agree with Ugo's assessment of the pointing lab, I don't see the "point".;)
I will clear this up for Ugo lol..
Im looking for a female black lab that is ready to pick up now, right this second as in call me and i will be right over. I have been handed some time off and would like to use it to start the bonding process on a new pup. I had assumed any dog offered on here would be a CKC dog and would assume hips eyes and elbows would be good but i suppose i should have said that. Im not picky on breeding, as long as she comes from hunting stock I will take care of the rest. She will be used to retrieve ducks and geese on land and in water. Like all my dogs she will hunt upland but i prefer hunting over flushers rather then pointers.
Wow man i forgot how much spare time you people have :silly:
Im still looking for a black female lab btw..Im at the point where Ive started looking at :whacked: chocolates :whacked: /duck
Enjoy your night crazy people lol, Gord
Thanks for clarifying that Gord. For a second there, I thought you were looking for a female Lab pup!
Hey, all the best and there are some super Lab folk right here in this forum. I hope you find a real cracker and the two of you make unforgettable memories afield together!
Most any young pup (Shih-Tzu, Chihuahua, Lab, Great Dane, GSP, pointer) will "point" or stall because they don't know what that new/alien scent brings with it. I'm not talking about a bird dog that has been introduced to birds. These dogs don't normally stall or if they do, it's only to hone in on the quarry. Their prey drive comes to the forefront and they flush/chase like 90, even when they aren't supposed too! :)
Thanks for clarifying that Ugo.