Just triple checking, a gun sock is a legal means of transporting a firearm on foot to a hunting area before legal shooting time provided the firearm is not loaded ?
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Just triple checking, a gun sock is a legal means of transporting a firearm on foot to a hunting area before legal shooting time provided the firearm is not loaded ?
Regs say covered in all 6 sides. So sock.. Wrapped In jacket.. Shoved down your pants... (That last one may be considered a "concealed weapon" but yes.. Its legal
Yes but it still need the to lock on it as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by over_under
No in case only. But I keep it on just in case
a sock is ok , does not need to be locked when transporting just when it is stored
If you are saying it needs a lock on it as well.....you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosesniper
No lock required.
No, it does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosesniper
In case of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by beagles1111
In case the cop don't have a clue, but as long as you have it in a closed case ur good to go.....Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
Yep sock is good.
The sock is legal provided in is closed on all 6 sides. That means that you need to close the open end. I use a piece of para cord and tie the opening shut.
My socks are all long enough I can actually tie a knot in the sock itself for closure.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernGrouse
That said, I picked up some dirt cheap rifle and shotgun cases at Walmart ($10 or so) that have shoulder straps. I find them much more convenient then socks as you can sling it over your shoulder and have your hands free for walking. A sock prevents that.
My mistake. Thanks for clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
Sorry for being blunt. I should have given a more in depth reply. Trigger locks are actually never required for a non-restricted firearm if you store it in a cabinet or safe at home. If you dont store them in a cabinet/safe/safe room etc then a trigger lock/action lock is required. At no time is a non-restricted firearm required to have a trigger lock for transport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosesniper
Is it prudent to do so? Perhaps, depending on where you live.
Be careful with that "cabinet" quote. A glass fronted gun cabinet is not a secure storage option. Anything easily broken into is also not secure and locks are required. Just to clarify....
Bs- so I don't even need it on when I'm leaving the house and going to the jeep. I've always gotten to the hunt site and remove my locks. Once I forgot my keys and trip was ruined. Yeah I know. Get a combo lock. But I have 5 with key locks. I like being blunt. Blunt gets the point across. Thanks. GooseQuote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
Yes, you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Nope. Dont need it. Heck, it doesnt even need to be encased during daylight hours. In the moose and deer hunts we often travel via truck between drives and runs with guns beside us on the seats, unencased, unlocked, and action open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosesniper
Borrow a pair of your wifes or girlfriends , panty hose. take up very little room in your pocket. Good if you are coming out late and forgot your case. Shove the gun down the leg and tie closed. A warden gave me this tip years ago. Notice I said borrow, so you don't get accused of something, when you are innocent.:) Also good for carrying fish or game. old243
I use my gun sock as a scarf when it is not in use.
Keep a straight screw driver and hammer with you for opening trigger locks if your forget the keys, personally I dont even own a trigger lock
A sock with a draw string to close it is fine for transport.
If you are thinking that you may stop in somewhere for breakfast then think storage rather then transport. For this reason and due to the fact that I have a hatch back, I like to have my gun in the gun sock in a hard case with a pad lock on it. This way it is in a locked container for storage if I choose to stop somewhere, it is covered since it is in a hatch back and it is unloaded and in a case when I grab it to walk out to my blind. This works for me as it just makes things easier as a grab and go sort of situation.
Heard you guys up in Dundalk have your own.......:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by old243
For that lovely "eau de gun oil" cologne smell....Quote:
Originally Posted by mox72
A good tip but also, if hunting with a partner, try their keys. There only seems to be a couple different cut patterns on trigger lock keys.Quote:
Originally Posted by SongDog
The lock will pop off, using the flat side of your hunting knife . They pry off very easily. Been there , done that!
Admittedly I am retentive when it comes to firearms so all of mine have a trigger lock even when they go in the safe. Getting used to having them on makes sure that I have a good routine. My boy is 10 and he knows how to handle rifles. However I don't think I can envision every scenario so I just leave them on all the time, even when I have them in the truck.
I buy the combo locks that way I don't have to worry about forgetting a key and ruining a lock breaking it open which of course adds risk to scratching a rifle - this would really really pi$$ me off.
BBD - howled and laughed re: "For that lovely "eau de gun oil" cologne smell..."
I always thought it was a good smell, same as cordite. Lets face it, women don't buy perfume to smell good for men, they buy it to smell good for other women. Took me a while to realize that but it is true.
D- who do the stinky easterners at Walmart wear it for. The entire store. Discussing IMO. Sent you a txt as well.
You can do the same with the pantyhose, although you may earn some odd looks....Quote:
Originally Posted by mox72
Problem solved. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Also good for those "unauthorized withdrawal" at your local banks......Black works best.Quote:
Originally Posted by old243
Sounds like a good idea, I think I'll borrow a pair of the wife's for my compound bow! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by old243
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Originally Posted by PaulR
ROFLMAO! Does she read your posts,PaulR?
Also good for carrying fish or game. old243[/QUOTE]
But what about the smell.? Wait wait.
Do you really think I'd be that stupid! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
But what about the smell.? Wait wait.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosesniper
Before,,,,, or after?
I'm hoping someone was going to step up and say. I don't think the fish would mind. Lol
You own me a keyboard.....coffee everywhere...Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosesniper
Boy, this topic went south quick! Never thought of panty hose as an all round solve all problems for hunting and fishing. I just thought you hung them from the mirror in the truck when you were successful in other ventures.
Nothing like hanging out here to get great ideas on how to re-use old stuff. Putting them around my neck is not an option, I am pretty sure my Old Spice isn't up to the task of masking the odour...
You could also wear them on your head to protect from mosquito's and black flies. ;)
Are you sure that won't attract more bugs? Have you ever seen how many flies attach themselves to a dead fish on a hot day?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Yep,we'll never get the smell out of them fish,now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosesniper
Remember guys, a bow for the purpose of the MNR and hunting laws is considered a firearm. This means that as you walk out to your hunting spot before dark your bow also needs to be unloaded and encased on all 6 sides, those little straps that go over the cams on a compound are not good enough.
Could any one supply the Chapter and Verse of the Regs where it says that firearms must be encased before or after legal shooting time?
Legal shooting times in e regs, do the search on pdf document.
Larson - This is the 2014 versionQuote:
Originally Posted by Larson
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...ent/239841.pdf
See page 23.
Before hunting, check local sunrise-sunset times. You may only hunt from half an hour before sunrise to half an hour after sunset (exceptions: night raccoon, spring wild turkey, and, in some WMUs, pheasant). If you are in an area usually inhabited by wildlife, during the period from half an hour after sunset to half an hour before sunrise you must unload and encase any firearms (including air gun, pellet gun, bow or crossbow) in your possession.
To be considered encased, firearms must be enclosed on all six sides.
Here ya go from the FWCA.Quote:
Night hunting
20. (1) A person shall not, during the period from half an hour after sunset to half an hour before sunrise,
(a) hunt wildlife;
(b) have a firearm in the person’s possession in an area usually inhabited by wildlife, unless the firearm is unloaded and encased; or
(c) shine a light for the purpose of hunting wildlife.
i WAS RIDING MY qUAD back to camp, with my gun in a Koplin gun case..unloaded and case was locked with those hair pins that come with it...come around the corner, after dark, and there sat the MNR...stopped me, looked at the case and said it was illegal...I was just going to ask why...and another quad come around the corner, and he took after him..lol.. so I booked it outta there..had nothing to hide...just didnt feel like a confertation....was wet and cold...not in the mood...just saying
If the removable end was on the Kolpin, that's the most you need to do. No reason to have a padlock on it...Really you don't even need the pin on it any more than you would need to sew the strap closed on a soft sided case.
Some guys like to write lotsa tickets, knowing that many will just pay instead of taking the time off work and driving the miles to fight it. Maybe they get "points" for the most ticket books used but they give COs a bad name. We used to have one of these but he is gone now....
If an officer writes a ticket knowing that the charge is invalid..he could very well be committing an offence himself. I think it is called malicious prosecution under the criminal code.
Nope, no such offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by redd foxx
That's a misleading statement. While malicious prosecution is not a criminal code offence, it is a tort, meaning that the law recognizes that the victim has been harmed, and allows him to sue for damages. He can also bring a complaint of misconduct under the Police Services Act.
So to say there is no such offence is only half true.
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Originally Posted by rick_iles
Exactly,but,if he/she continues and has enough charges dismissed,they won't get away with it for long.
But if the defendant pays the ticket, even guilty with an explanation, then the charges aren't exactly dismissed.....Charges that probably wouldn't have been laid by a local CO against a local sportsman....Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The response was to an ascertion that malicious prosecution was a criminal code offence.....there is no such offence. Where is the "half truth".Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Further, the Police Services Act has absolutely nothing to do with CO's.
To say that there is no such offence implies that writing a ticket, knowing the charge to be false, is within the law. It is not, and you know it. So the statement is a half-truth: it makes an implication by omitting known facts that contradict that implication.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
You're right re the Police Services Act. But I doubt that a CO who makes a habit of writing false tickets is going to enjoy a long career if that comes to light, regardless.
That's quite true,Pat. Most hunters will just eat it rather than contest it. That's why it's important that everyone who's certain that's what's happening always says "I'll also need a certified copy of your evidence for disclosure. I won't be in Court that day,but,my lawyer will be,so,see ya there........and there won't be any continuance,either." Then,DO it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat32rf
My statement that there is no such offence implies nothing. It was merely in response to an earlier statement that malicious prosecution was an offence in the criminal code. It is not. Had the OP requested clarification, I would most certainly have done that. But then that would have deprived you of the opportunity of attempting to correct my post !Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Sorry guys. I was wrong about the criminal code. Here is what I was remembering and getting mixed up with the code.
Rick, you're being needlessly argumentative. In fact, in my original response I acknowledged that it's not in the Criminal Code. I was simply clarifying that it is indeed a tort, and you have chosen to take offence.
Well Welsh, some here take offence to your continual condescension ! Cheers !Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
I have had that happen. In a accident with a bus other fella should have been charged but the cop felt sorry for hum. Took it to court crown called me and drop charges as no such law existed. I was asked if I wanted to go after the officer but I didn't.
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Originally Posted by redd foxx
I have always disliked the law about encasing your firearms after legal shooting time. It's basically a law whose only purpose is to further discourage you from doing something else that is already illegal. Basically the safety/ethical issue is shooting after dark. In my opinion that should be the limit of the law, combined with requiring you to be unloaded after dark, because basically you have no business being loaded after dark, since you can't shoot. Requiring encasement just puts one more little burden on the guy who was already willing to play by the rules (i.e. 99% of us). And can you honestly tell me that if someone wants to shoot a deer or a duck after dark, that they won't usually have time to quietly slip their gun out of their gun sock? If you have time to load, you have time to take it out of the case. Standing around issuing tickets to people coming out of the marsh or woods after dark is a pointless and lazy money grab. Bust the real offenders, those actually in blinds or on stands after dark with loaded guns and those shooting at game after dark. Of course the MNR doesn't seem to have the resources for that -- easier to park at the side of the road and wait, and punish all for the actions of a few.
What is disturbing here and in all cases. We all pay through the nose exorbitant amounts of taxes and there is not a single person out there. (Maybe human rights lawyers) who know their rights in this country. It's absolutely ridiculous that false charges can be laid. As a Canadian citizen we should have free resources and a hotline available when your are being retained for questioning or stopped by an officer. The thoughts of an officer being a hot head and knowing what your rights are can make the entire difference. In the particular case mentioned above the person should have resisted the charge. You can really be charges for resisting something that could not have been legally charged. IMO if you ask a question to a an officer relating to your particular situation and false information is provided as to your rights then it's similar to planting evidence IMO. Way to many innocent people harassed by law enforcement because we don't know our rights. Or you have to mortgage your house to pay for advice to know our rights. Just another government thing to keep the people under control.
I agree with the encasing law. I wish officers would use more discretion when enforcing it. Lets face it, the guys coming out of the marsh a little after dark with an unencased gun probably aren't a big treat to the resource or public safety and may benefit from a warning in this case. The guys driving down the back road with a 30-06, spotlight, clip in hand at midnight may be the guys one would want to take to court for night hunting. Wouldn't it be a shame if the C.O. had to wait until those guys actually loaded the gun a d fired the shot to deal with them. I say leave it the way it is and everyone use common sense, officers included. After all....what is the intent of the law? Nail the bad guys and take it easy on the honst!!
Ive heard TONS of shooting after legal "on the marsh". Those guys should be charged. Well after ive picked up my dekes and started the paddle back to the car, theres still blasting going on. How the hell they can see anything is beyond me, but they're still blasting away.Quote:
Originally Posted by redd foxx
The first time I went Duck hunting when I was 16. I can remember vividly it was pitch dark and still morning light not yet out and I could hear people shooting but could not see my hand in front of my face.. That said I do think Co's need use some discretion.
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Originally Posted by blasted_saber