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Yes, we get it - they're easy to catch, they're big and they're just as much fun to catch now as when the season opens.
But please don't target the bass on their nests. And if you do catch one, don't post pics here. It's takes quite a bit of a narcissistic streak to do that, but every year there are people who think the laws don't apply to them.
Well said!
Just to expand on the message above: fish caught out of season are supposed to be released immediately. It's actually illegal to stop and pose for a picture with any oos caught fish. If you post oos pics here, you're posting evidence that you've broken the law.
I made a similar comment to a forum member who had posted a picture of them with a Bass. Some people just don't think!
( I noticed that the thread has been deleted)
I noticed your comment in that thread - every spring we go through this - lots of people posting OOS bass pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMatthews
good point guys
guys I was fishing in 58-59 degree water on the weekend and catching the odd bass, thrown right back of course and lucky enough to have to get off by the boat so didn't even have to touch them. was surprised but guess they had the feed bag on from a tough winter.
will be out the next few weekends and sure I'll have to chat with a few people out there. do every year......
Some people don't know it's illegal to target OOS bass and illegal to photograph them. Thanks for the reminder Werner. I often wonder if the Americans have the right idea. They don't close the season (as far as I know). Instead they try to educate the anglers into avoiding spawning fish.
Dan O.
Just tell those people to come up north here and catch all they want - the season never closes - they are a nuisance - I would prefer people target them on the nest - hopefully the population can drop and leave room for the pike and walleye fry to grow.
MC
Caught A 4 lb bass ice fishing once...
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Female Small Mouth at the end of my dock, the nest is just to the left of the dock post. Same spot for the last 3 years. It's a chore to keep the neighbors kids from trying to catch it.
This is a dumb thread. Is this all we have to worry about in our lives?
I'm far more concerned with anglers throwing spinnerbaits in three foot of water trying to catch bass for C/R then the odd angler who hits one accidentally and snaps a quick shot, specially if they are respectful of the fish and a quick release...
Largemouth suck lol smallies all the way but wait for the season. Every wally opener i see people fishing bass its not often that wallys are hitting spinner baits in 3ft of water in rocks and logs under a bluebird day in full sun lol loosers
This time of year I'm not deliberately targeting bass - I'm after sunfish,rock bass, pike with my fly rod. If I catch a bass I quickly release it. Given that I've been fishing the same water for 15 years and the bass population hasn't been hurt I don't think I'm doing any harm. Actually, given that I'm thinning out the rock bass I believe I'm helping.
Werner is just trying to point out the law so people are aware.
You would be surprised by the number of people who don't realize it isn't Bass season and even more surprised the number that don't know it is illegal to even stop and take a photo of a OOS.
Second of you don't like the thread I don't believe anyone is forced to participate in said thread.
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Originally Posted by toddy
Is that on Mink Lake? Looks very familiar.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
Usually one nests near the end of my dock near some rocks that I run the waterline out to.
Rock bass are good eating and less bones than a pike...but I eat both. When bass season opens, I'm not beyond eating them too if I can't catch other fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenLakePete
Re damaging the population - it's not whether one or two guys do it, but if everyone did it, you could wipe the bass out of small lakes like Mink, Dore, Golden in a hurry. They nest in small well known areas and are easy to sight-fish and catch.
See em all the time and with fancy bass boats too, they are targeting nesting bass!Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanG
^^^^^^^^^
I have a "fancy" bass boat and I have had guys pull up and blast me while I'm pike fishing assuming I was targeting OOB. frack one guy blasted and cussed me up and down and I was tossing a spoon. All I am saying is don't equate a "Shiny" boat with a poacher. I have been tempted to cut the hook off a 2 ounce jig to ward off amateur game wardens LOL ;)
yup, Mink LakeQuote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
But when I see them on the lake I frequent , there aren't any pike in it . So they are either targeting oos bass or oos Muskie . And unfortunatly most of the ones I see are "shiny" bass boats. When I see a small tinny with a family in it they are usually using a bobber and worm targeting pan fish , not throwing big spinner baits , or top water. Not saying , just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by bardern
Whereabouts on the lake are you - I'm 3rd from the end of holiday lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
Not saying all anglers with bass boats are poachers, most aren't, just a surprise when they are... Seen many times some throwing shallow spinnerbaits at lily pads when bass or Muskie aren't open and no pike. You could fish walleye that way, so it's not illegal, but they are bass fishing and gammimg the system. Anyways most don't, so not too worried about the bass populations.Quote:
Originally Posted by bardern
That's what gets me when I see the fully equipped bass guys out early...they should know better...and you think they'd be a bit more conscious of a resource they value (since they have spent that much $$$ in pursuit of them)???Quote:
Originally Posted by intothedeep
Yup, also seen two ice fisherman in the last few seasons one with a quad, portable, vex and the other with a sled setup. Both running 4 lines... That was surprising to me! You don't expect the more proffesional types to be acting that way...
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Originally Posted by werner.reiche
They'll just find another lake to pillageQuote:
Originally Posted by intothedeep
On Mink Lake Rd side of the lake between McKibbons island and Pendergasts trailer park. (Dark brown cottage)Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
I'm cool with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by intothedeep
[QUOTE=intothedeep;794700]I'm far more concerned with anglers throwing spinnerbaits in three foot of water trying to catch bass for C/R then the odd angler who hits one accidentally and snaps a quick shot, specially if they are respectful of the fish and a quick release...[/QUOTE
agreed.
OPP and MNR are broadcasting radio adds reminding fishermen of the bass opening season dates and asking anyone who sees people targeting bass to call the TIPS hotline.
im sorry but I feel that this post is steering people wrong....first of all I do not target oos fish....but if by accident I catch one and someone is taking pics of me quickly releasing it that does not make me a criminal....it is NOT illegal for someone to take pics while I release it...possing for pictures and delaying the release on the other hand is....theres a difference! .....I just hooked into an approximatly 55" musky on the weekend while pike fishing and my son was taking pics while me and another guy quickly released it....he got one ok pic that I have no shame in showing off....it was a spawned out female and she swam away with ease....I even hung around for another half hour to make sure she stayed down!.....
my daughter and i spent the long weekend in a shiny bass boat chucking spinnerbaits and jerk baits and spoons up shallow......we got some nice pike for supper...............i do it every spring and at least once a year i have some Ahole come up and preach to me about bass season being closed...........
Since the shortage of COs in the field has made most hunting and fishing self-policed - the question you have to ask yourself is "would you be doing this if the CO was right there?"
If you are fishing the shallow water in bass lakes with spinner baits this time of year, its debatable as to who is the ahole in that scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratherbe
Spinnerbaits would not be anyone’sfirst choice for bedding bass.... tube, jig or creature bait dragged into the nest would be. Lots of data suggests fishing during the spawn does not impact a fishery however catch and keep certainly does. If you do get bit typically the smaller male bites first with the larger female still guarding the nest. You traditionally have to keep the male in your livewell to get momma to bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
any decent bass angler would not target bass in early spring on the beds with a spinnerbait...........they would get alot more flipping critter baits or drawing corolina rigged worms threw the nest............bass will try to kill or remove anything that comes into his nest to protect his babies.............Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
the problem is those who are on here blasting bass boat anglers up shallow throwing what is perceived as bass lures don't have a friggin clue........
I think I've seen enough of them working the bass nests and pulling in bass after bass that to know what they are doing. When you're 'pike fishing' and pull up 10 'accidental' bass in a row, you're not really fishing for pike are you. But I guess in every field of hunting and fishing, there are those that think that the laws don't apply to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratherbe
I totally support where you are coming from Werner.
However nowhere did RatherB say he enjoyed a meal of pike from the shallows and also had fun C&Ring a pile of bass , therefore I really don't think he deserved the implication that he or his daughter is an anal sphincter...
There are lots of shallow water locations that are not suitable bass nesting areas but are good early pike waters.
The issue is "targeting" OOS. In this case I think that means that if you catch 2 or 3 bass in a row from the same area and don't move on then you qualify as a puckered penny.
when i pull a bass my next cast is to the other side of the boat...........and i cruise over the area i got the bass to see what he was sitting on so i can avoid it further down the shore line...........unless you are down riggin lakers in 80 FOW your going to run into a bass or two.........by no means does it mean you are targeting them with a spinnerbait............
if you see people repeatedly throwing to a spot holding OOS bass then call the tips line.........don't come on a forum and run your mouth about guys in bass boats up shallow targeting bass when they could and most often are targeting pike...........
Rugger - it was he that started throwing the ahole word around - with reference to those objecting to him fishing the shallows with spinnerbaits. If he can't take it he shouldn't start it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugger
The ones I'm seeing on Mink Lake aren't catching pike.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratherbe
If you're chucking spinner baits in shallow waters on bass lakes - you should expect to be questioned about it by others. If you're not catching bass - then it's not a problem. But don't do it and expect not to draw any attention - it will. There are a lot of people out there catching OOS bass for fun.
As far as not discussing it on this forum...since when did you get to decide what gets discussed here???
Werner dude, you are taking this quite personally. While I appreciate your passion on this topic I do not appreciate being told that I don't know what I'm doing when I'm tossing a spinnerbait (which btw is my go-to lure all times of year for pike in almost all areas, and that being because it catches me fish) into shallow water where the pike are and coincidentally a few bass too this time of year. If you must know, this entire weekend I caught more pike on my shiny pink spinnerbait than I did bass. You cannot argue that shallow water plus spinnerbait plus shiny bass boat must always equate OOS bass fishing. You cannot make that generalization and then expect anglers like myself not to get insulted by your insinuation. You must put some trust in the anglers out there, we're our own community and must trust that our fellow anglers know the rules and play by them.
That being said, it is inevitable that we will catch bass in the same areas that we are targeting pike and walleye and rock bass and whatever else I saw folks mentioning here. The important thing is that if you do hook into an OOS that you quickly release it. I think that's what this thread is trying to get at in a very roundabout way. So enough with the prickled prides, the insults and the bad language gentleman and try to see the big picture here.
Folks, if you happen to hook into an OOS please be good and gracious anglers and release that fish back as quickly as you possibly can.
I guess I do take it personally - I live on a small lake which has some nice large and smallmouth bass. Every year there are people fishing the shallows where the bass nest...and I know from 10 years of fishing the lake that you won't be catching pike there. Why should most of the fishermen wait for bass season to open while a few guys go out and pull the bass of their nests?Quote:
Originally Posted by wannabe
There are lots of places to fish for pike and rockbass that won't lead to very many incidental bass catches. Why not fish there instead until bass season opens.
It's not a case of if you're catching more pike than bass then its okay. If you're catching any bass, you should be moving on.
It's not a case of simply releasing OOS bass you catch, its doing your best to avoid catching them in the first place.
What I do see from the discussion related to OOS bass is that there are lot of people who don't think the laws apply to them w.r.t. avoiding bass before the season opens - which makes the number of people I see out on the lakes catching OOS bass a lot more understandable.
well guess you can accuse me to as i only fish shallows for pike, heck even if you see me fishing shallows with a spinner bait in the middle of summer i am either looking for pike or muskie, dont waste my time on bass much... my local lake i catch more walleye in 5 fow or less then i do bass as well...
so when im tossing a 6 inch bucktail this weekend over shallow rocks, i guess im only fishing bass and muskie? geez maybe im trying to catch aurora trout.
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What I do see from the discussion related to OOS bass is that there are lot of people who don't think the laws apply to them w.r.t. avoiding bass before the season opens - which makes the number of people I see out on the lakes catching OOS bass a lot more understandable
With all due respect..... the law says you can't fish for a species during the closed season .....it does not say you must avoid catching them during the closed season. Quite a difference!!
Werner why don't you become a CO and police your lake. if your not going to do that stop whining and crying. No matter what your lure is or where you are fishing a bass can bite your hook and no one can stop that from happening. If you catch an oos bass release and and continue on fishing.
I fish. If I catch an oos fish, I release it immediately - I don't take pics. If I have a camera rolling as I catch an ood fish, I again release it immediately - on camera or not.
I fish for pike during pike season and catch a bass or several. I fish for bass during bass season and catch a pike or two dozen. ..it happens. Do I change lures or location? Not usually.
Be smart about it all is what this thread is about.
Catch an oos fish, put it back, no need to take pics. Catch it during season then take a hundred pics of it.
Be smart, dont try and debate a 'grey zone' when it comes to the WFA
Well boys where I fish we have no Bass, and truthfully that is a blessing, they take no time at all to be the dominant fish in a lake.
When I had a few guys, from this board, up fishing, they wanted to go for Pike. So off we go, to the shallows and rock ledges, throwing spinners for them. I am not sure how you fish for early Pike down south, but what you guys are talking about is how we fish for Pike up here.
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Originally Posted by mastercaster
Quoted for truth! I'll add to it, they are prolific, hardy, and a nuisance everywhere. I don't do the whole Internet picture thing, but if someone wants to put a picture of themselves with a green carp on the Internet.... Fill yer boots!!
Yep i agree. When the world hits its demise the only thing left will be cockroaches and bass.
It's funny that some people on here have no science to back their accusations up. Clearly the people that are against fishing for bedded Bass have never fished in New York, Michigan or Minnesota where you can fish for Bass in the spring and there fisheries are still better then ours. I obey our laws even though they haven't been updated since the 90's. Saying people in Bass Boats are targeting OOS Bass and not Pike is complete BS. Are you in there boat with them? most likey not. They have a nice boat..... now lets call them poachers, demonize and bash them from behind a keyboard.
The lakes I fish bonkers in the haliburtons/kawarthas have no pike and Muskie are still closed. Yes I've seen anglers targeting out of season bass for sure! If pike are present, it's another story...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
I've also caught my fare share like everyone. In the big picture it won't hurt the bass as most don't do it and those that do release them anyways... But it ticks me off a bit, but it's close to worst violations of our fisheries... Lol
Who is going to release a PB out of season caught by accident without a quick shot? Not me... Lol
Seems a lot of people don't realize that when you pull the male (the hen is long gone) off the nest, then in many cases, the sunfish and perch move in and wipe out the whole brood in MINUTES! Not just a case of stressing the parent, or some young wandering off .....Bass are not the same as walleye, browns, lakers, musky, etc. The male will stay with and protect the young when they hatch. This is the only means that Mother Nature has given this species to survive.
Central Ontario is already the northern limit of the bass habitat. Things are a lot different down in the central states where you can catch them all year long.
Pat the Bass in The Northern States face the same conditions as ours. The Bass in Minnesota are even more north then us and they're still fine. Anyone who has ever fished for Bass during the Spring will tell you that we don't target the smaller males. Plus both males and females are on the bed. The females roam 3-6 ft away from their beds.
Not sure if you know this but there is a ton of bass up north so much so the season is open all year long. I'm not sure what you mean by "central ontario is the northern limit of bass habitat..." There is no problem with the season being open all,year long there the bass are a nuisanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Pat32rf
Pat knows and I was at war over most of this before, before most including any of you were here . I battle with Werner lots . Basically he just asked folks to stay back from nests . Don't tell me us guys who fish tourneys don't know either after we have pulled one bass that any pike is a ways back . He got defensive and responded with the bass boat ,spinnerbait stuff . LOL You got fished . . His (werner ) point as I saw it ... Please think . pull one .. leave the spot .Quote:
Originally Posted by Elk hunter
Also some of you newbies . This battle happens every year seasonly . I have watched it almost 15 years and yes I still get into them . lol Werner just mentioned it .. Let it go .lol
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for what it's worth.Quote:
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With all due respect..... the law says you can't fish for a species during the closed season .....it does not say you must avoid catching them during the closed season. Quite a difference!!
-the MNR says, if your hooking up with OOS bass, you should move to another area.
-posting PICs. The admins (the law here) have made it clear in the past, that's a no-no.
is it "illegal" to take a pic?
My personal take on that, is. Yes. The possession (9/10ths) laws are pretty clear. At no time can we posses (have in hour hands) an OOS fish, or our limit +1. To me, the word "immediately", doesn't mean release it 3 minutes, 1 minute, 30 seconds, or 10 seconds later. It means by definition.
Without delay.
The MNR recently changed the regs so that those with live wells could cull fish. Or in their words "selectively" release. Prior to that change, you were breaking the law because you had 6 plus 1 in your possession, for how long?............................... About as long as it takes, to take a pic.
All that said and out of the way.
I like the fact the regs as written, are "unclear". It leaves a CO room to apply their discretion. There's the letter of the law.....and spirit of the law.
Should a CO witness someone catch an OOS fish...he can apply the spirit. If the same person then catches 4, 8, 10 more without moving to another area....he can apply the letter. Same goes for taking pics. The law as written, allows a CO to lay a charge (letter) or not (spirit), depending on the devil details ( what he or she is witnessing)
Too each his own
Jben you nailed it,,, but what in reality is an OOS bass picture since this board has posters from everywhere ? It's always been an issue any time of year here not for just bass . That's why it is not moderated anymore as it used to be, unless a battle starts .
I coulda started a storm posting trout pics ,, The thing is our season is from Jan !st to Sept 30 th with some lakes year round open . Rainbows are year round here as are whitefish ..iT'S THE LOCALE .. That's getting away from Werner's point but heah .I can understand where he is coming from .
TD
I coulda started a storm posting trout pics.You should share some of your pics, don't forget some of us on the forum trout fish all year long down here in the southern part of Ontario.
Thats true TD.
Ontario is a huge province, with numerous zones and seasons. Whats in season here, may be out of season there and vice versa.
This image is in this months issue.
http://jbenphotography.ca/img/s10/v1...74219975-5.jpg
Can you imagine the damage to Ontario Out of Doors professional reputation if someone recognized the back ground, and could say....That was caught out of season? The trees and landscapes of NWO (where bass is open) are very different than the trees/landscape down here.
Just last week, there was a good thread (that typically became a train wreck) about those in the industry who will do anything for the "money shots". Everyone rained hellfire down on TP.
The forums while "different", are still a face of the mag. If people are posting OOS pics, or pics of activities that are illegal and against regs...Say not wearing Orange during a gun season.......
Better "safe" than "sorry"....Or walk the talk. Be legal (and be safe) at all times,
Lets not get anal but you tell me where a real trout lives that the season is open down there before April . Not your import rainbows either . Other than great lake or Niagra . Your closed . Even bows close . The point being BASS are open year round in NW Ontario as they are in many states . THATS THE POINT .Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfreek
TD
Understood JB but since when is every pic timely in the magazine ? We see moose etc pics before the season opens in Ontario OUT OF Doors . I've seen guys get hammered here over the years that caught bass through the ice . Half the pics out on OOD and COOD when the mag comes out are OOS at that time of year . That's my only point .
TD
I think I understand what your driving at TD. As I said, the mag is slightly different than the forums, but while different, it's an arm.Also, keep in mind, I am theorizing, I don't know for fact.Im not an admin, nor on the in.
Maybe this will help explain..not sure.
I have learned (quite painfully :( ), not put myself "out there", it's taken many beatings, many getting dragged into things, more..you know what they say about the road to hades being the best intentions ..Sometimes I'm a slow learner....
There was more I could have, might have added to the TP thread. Thankfully, I didn't. It like many others went downhill fast.
Insight from someone who is "in the industry", what its like to have the pressure of having to produce. Still photography is a little different, than video production. But I can't use pics from "elsewhere", nor another "time". Its the same/similiar. Can you imagine the damage to OOD, if I went to Lodge X, caught nothing, used pics from lodge Y instead and then someone recognized from the background that the pics weren't from lodge X? There was so much more I might have added....
What does that have to do with this?
Any pics I take "now" (month of May) can only really be useful for stuff thats in season and seasonal. We outdoors people know things........Like what the grass and trees, and shrubs look like in March.....in May....In Oct. What hunters/anglers wear in April, and what they wear in late June.....If I tried to pass a picture that was taken in Sept off, as a picture that was taken in April....Viewers would know. I sure as heck do :)
While Magazines often run things that are "out of season", the story, images were done/taken when X was in season, the previous year. Readers want for example to read about Turkey Hunting in Mar/April/May...not in August/Oct.. So I might go Turkey hunting in May 2014...Any pics or vids I do, would then get used in Mar/Apr 2015.
Forums.
Basically ( I suspect/beleive) it comes down to, for lack of better words. Walking the talk, be safe, be legal at all times.
Back to Thomas Pidgeon.
He was tarred and feathered..."Its all about the money shot".
Henry and Italo...Filming OOS
Hunter Orange
Would it be acceptable/ok to for the magazine, or here on the forums to show pics of people hunting without hunter Orange? Would it be ok/acceptable in the mag, or here, to have pics of harvested game that haven't been tagged? The law says to tag them "immediately".
While there are different seasons and Bass is open in NWO, closed in S Ont. The magazine and the forums, have to
Walk the talk..
Pics of fish that are OOS.....
Pics of BG that haven't been tagged....
Pics of guys not wearing Orange....
That's how we were fishing for them in Wollaston Lake last Sunday and went 3 for 6 with my wife losing one after it bit through a 40# fluorocarbon leader. Not one bass, in a lake that has both largies and smallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody1948
Pike are post spawn right now and the shallows is where you find them. End of story.
Roe+
Every year there is a nest at the end of my dock. Every year the big female comes and spreads here eggs. Every year the smaller male stays on the nest. Every year I never see the female again after she has spread the eggs. This has been going on for years. My lake is so clear that I can see 50 feet in all directions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonkers
Females do not stay on the nest.
I am sure Werner has the same observations over on his side of the lake.
So who is making the rules now?Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
There is no rule that says you have to avoid bass! I fished for lake trout two weeks ago between 5 and 15 fow on lake Jo, we caught 9 bass and 4 trouts in two hours. Why would I go anywhere else to catch trouts? I'm not breaking any rules!
It seems like you have some kind of passion for bass but for may peoples, including myself, they are a nuisance. I respect the rules, I throw them back asap but there is no need to be so upset about it. As far as I know they are not endanger, are they?
Seabast
The point has been made.
Things are getting a little too personal.
Till next year... ;)