First thing- is it legal?
Has anyone tried it? I was thinking of taking my bike moose/ grouse hunting this year.
I like the idea of covering ground with no noise.
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First thing- is it legal?
Has anyone tried it? I was thinking of taking my bike moose/ grouse hunting this year.
I like the idea of covering ground with no noise.
Perfectly legal. It's a mode of transportation. I know of two people that use them. One during archery moose to travel to his hunting location on the trails and the other during deer season on public properties to get back to his stands that are tucked way back on the trail. Both these individuals get off their bikes 2-300 yards from their hunting areas and walk the rest of the way.
Hope it helps
Neto
I don't see that as any different than folks driving on logging trails looking for game. The physical exertion that may be involved is a another matter unless one is quite used to biking in such terrain.....since the trails are not all flat or easy going. So long you aren't pondering on packing Moose on a bike! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hainer
I've come across a First Nations individual hunting birds on a bicycle with a Baikal single shot slung on a shoulder. One time, we stopped him deep inside a rough trail to enquire about directions. At that point he was getting off his bike as he had apparently spotted something in the bush. Nevertheless, he patiently walked over to the truck, provided us the info, then went back and entered the thick bush about 50 yards inside, then bang! :)
Also seeing its pedal not motor power u can even shoot sitting on it & keep your gun/ rifle loaded while pedaling .
Well it is NOT motorized it is STILL legally a vehicle. The law says you can not discharge from a vehicle...Better to "step away", and not carry a loaded firearm, and also for safety reasons. You can't use your quad or truck as a bench rest for this reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossh
Excellent method! A couple of loggers I met would head out in the middle of the night on bicycles with guns encased travelling the trails and listening for the quite vocal moose I'm told. They would silently approach and set up for legal shooting. They were quite successful every year with this scouting technique.
I stand corrected , thought it was only motorized not human peddle power .
Thats exactly what I was thinking.
all you hear every morning 1/2 hr before legal shoot I quads.
I am going to give it a shot.
thanks for the feed back.
cheers
Hainer
I believe you are correct. James Smedley wrote an article about hunting with the aid of a bicycle in OOD a few years ago, and he covered this. It makes one wonder though, why is hunting from a canoe legal yet hunting from a bicycle is not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Most people do not know that a peddle bike is in fact a Vehicle under the highway traffic act. At one time you had to have a License plate for your bike just like you do now for your car.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossh
It's little things like that that can cost you. Should I call you mean names now? :joker:
Canoe are not listed as a vehicle in the highway traffic act..:goodstuff:Quote:
Originally Posted by smallgamer
Also... You can not step away from a canoe in order to shoot, but you can step away from a vehicle! ;)
You going Viet Cong on us now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattones
I had at one time a hard plastic bike trailer with a welded aluminium frame. It was no wider then my handle bars, and would carry 120lbs. Clean up was easy down to the car wash and good as new. Now going down hills could be fun.
"Look! No Hands!" ... Nice rack on that bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattones
That is awesome. lol How did it ride?
I hope you kept your orange on while taking that out of the bush, gosh, it makes a good looking target.
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Entropy
I tryed it once many years ago ...... you're gonna get a sore A.S !
Glen
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Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Both make sense. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkman
I thought the wording was from a MOTORIZED vehicle or towed BY a motorized vehicle, including a boat. Horses, bicycles and maybe sailboats should be fine......
I too remember bic lic . I should have looked up definition in regs before saying it was .
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Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Regardless of what the Highway Traffic Act says, the Highway Traffic Act does not apply on a trail. Therefore the definition under the HTA would not apply.
The Act that covers this is the FWCA. And yes, a bicycle is considered a vehicle under the FWCA.
As for the definition surrounding canoe, it is not considered a motor vehicle under the Highway Traffic Act, but it is under the Criminal Code when it comes to impaired driving, etc. Under the FWCA, a canoe is considered a "boat".
Yes it is a boat.. But it is not under motor power... The act states a boat with a motor.. (Exception. Being when hunting migratory birds)Quote:
Originally Posted by brent
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“vehicle” means any kind of vehicle that is driven, propelled or drawn on land or ice by any kind of power, including muscular power, and includes the rolling stock of a railway; (“véhicule”)
Here you go.Quote:
24. (1) A person shall not use a vehicle for the purpose of killing, injuring, capturing, harassing, pursuing or chasing wildlife.
Boats
(2) A person shall not use a boat for the purpose of killing, injuring, capturing, harassing, pursuing or chasing wildlife.
Aircraft
(3) A person shall not use an aircraft while hunting.
Exceptions
(4) Subsections (2) and (3) do not apply in the circumstances prescribed by the regulations. 1997, c. 41, s. 24.
Redd
I just came across this "beast" bicycle this morning. Check it out!
http://daymak.com/beast/
There are many images of guys using a bicycle...
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps4c116f2e.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/o...pse34bf63b.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps41e99da2.jpg
There is even a bicycle made specifically for hunting, has a scabbard for both gun and bow, over sized tires for rough terrain.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/o...psbbaedf8d.jpg
Actually, FWIW, a canoe is not a motor vehicle under the code, where impaired operation is concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by brent
It is a vessel.
So what does that mean in regard to impaired operation of a canoe? Can one be charged for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Apology to the OP for derailing the thread a bit by shifting from bikes to canoes. Just curious.
I love riding bicycles. Wish I had more time to ride....
My major problem is sweating! How am I supposed to deal with that? :scream:
In real life, the path is hilly, muddy, and bumpy. I am carrying gear and firearm, plus wearing heavy clothing.
As much as I'd love to hunt on a bicycle, it doesn't seem too practical to me... :rolleyes:
Impaired in a canoe.....Darwin should take care of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by smallgamer
Yeah OK, Mom. So no one here has never had a couple pops and then paddled? I'm not talking about slurring, staggering, falling down drunk. I'm talking about a beer or three on the deck of a cottage, and then taking a canoe out for a paddle or to throw a few casts.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Ok son I live by the motto if you got to ask if its ok to do something best not too do it.
Well pops, (I'm 53 btw) I'm not asking if it's OK. I'm asking what the legal ramifications are. Save your sanctimoniousness for someone who ain't been around the block.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
I figure that if we are not allowed some one WITH AUTHORITY will tell us in print.
You cannot chase an animal with a vehicle (powered by motor or muscle) in order to injure or kill it. You cannot have a loaded gun in/on a MOTORIZED vehicle. I have never seen anything that says you cannot have a loaded gun on a canoe, rowboat, roller skates, or bicycle!
Yes. There have even been people charged for impaired on floating air mattresses. It's an abuse of the law - but the purpose in the law of 'vessel' including non-motorized craft is likely related to larger sailboats - an impaired driver with a 30+ foot sailboat could be a bit of a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by smallgamer
Here ya go:
Loaded firearms in hunting areas
17. (1) A person who is in an area usually inhabited by wildlife or who is on the way to or from an area usually inhabited by wildlife shall not,
(a) have a loaded firearm in or on a conveyance or discharge a firearm from a conveyance, except if,
(i) the conveyance is a boat that is not a motorboat, or
(ii) the conveyance is a motorboat and the person is hunting migratory birds in accordance with the regulations under the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 (Canada);
(b), (c) Repealed: 2009, c. 33, Sched. 22, s. 2 (10).
(d) in a part of Ontario prescribed by the regulations, have a loaded firearm in, or discharge a firearm in or across, a right of way for public vehicular traffic; or
(e) in a part of Ontario to which clause (d) does not apply, discharge a firearm in or across the travelled portion of a right of way for public vehicular traffic. 1997, c. 41, s. 17 (1); 2009, c. 33, Sched. 22, s. 2 (10).
Bicycles are conveyances !!!!!
The new fat tire mountain bikes will take you anywhere you want to go, but I'd question the legality (not to mention the safety) of having a loaded gun while riding it. I used mine this spring to scout some deer lands for the fall, I like that I can cover a lot more ground than hiking, but it's more peaceful than taking an ATV.
I also used it for a turkey hunt, I wish I had a picture of me riding with a shotgun strapped across my back and a turkey bungee'ed to the rear rack!
Theres no question of the legality of a loaded firearm on a conveyance.....Quote:
Originally Posted by NewHunterWhitby
Thank you. Your explanation demonstrates the logic in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
yes, I agree....and a vessel is considered "a motor vehicle" as far as impaired goes......bottom line, you can technically be charged for impaired driving in a canoe......Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Sorry Brent, but a vessel is by no means considered a "Motor Vehicle". The code is specific in the definition of a motor vehicle. Vessels are another class all together where impaired driving offences are concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by brent
I beg to differ......
The facts in issue of impaired driving speak of motor vehicle and a vessel. The definition of a "vessel" comes from the Canada Shipping Act, (I believe) and includes a canoe.
Take a look at the Criminal Code. Section 253.
Yes, look at the section and the wordings in an information. The section says "motor vehicle" OR "vessel". If you laid an information indication a charge of impaired operation of a motor vehicle when in fact it was a boat, I can guarantee you the charge would be dismissed. Within section 253, are distinctions as to WHAT was operated, specifically mentioning MVs, vessels, aircraft etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by brent
Section 2 also clarifies a definition of MV.
Umm, ok...so what are you saying???
My point was that you can be done for impaired in a canoe....i
Oh, I'm well aware if what the section says. Notice the word OR....as in motor vehicle OR a vessel ........
I agree a charge of impaired operation of a Vessel could be laid. However, you posted that a vessel is classed as a motor vehicle for the purposes of impaired operation charges, when clearly they are not motor vehicles.
The point I was making was to inform many here that would not know, that one can be arrested for impaired when in a canoe even though it was not "motorized".