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I was having a conversation with a buddy of mine that does not hunt and he was saying that he could come hunting with me and use my gun to hunt as long he is beside me I said you are crazy.So my question is this true or not he does not have a license he just has his outdoors card.
He can't hunt. He can go with you as long he does.not assist in the hunt.
Spectator only. No binoculars, or anything that could assist you.
If they had no gun license, they could share a single gun with you under your direct supervision. But still needs a hunting license.
Your buddy is wrong, he cannot hunt without a license even when sharing a firearm, in fact he is not even suppose to point out if he see what ever it is your hunting for because that would be considered participating in the hunt.
His outdoor card should identify what forms of hunting he can do, H1-H2. IF the outdoor does not have either, then no way...many ill effects to you the licenced hunter. Can always be used for retieving game, and bush stomper though. Thats what my 11 daughter does for me....lol.
Everyone needs a hunting licence to hunt. Your buddy is not exempt from this rule. He can accompany you but is in no way allowed to assist in the hunt. Watching only. Also i am pretty sure that stomping bushes to scare out rabbits and getting them to retrieve downed game qualifies as actively participating in the hunt. Maybe not. Would be up to the co's judgement i guess. If your buddy really wants to hunt with you he should just take ohep course. Its not like it is overly expensive or hard to pass.
Unless he is first nations, he requires a license.
Need a license. Can argue that sitting and watching is considered "laying in wait for". You are allowed to let him shoot your firearm during target practice, but not hunting. Even bush stomping can be seen as chasing/pursuing.
MNR definition of hunting:
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...ent/239841.pdf
Includes lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed. You need a hunting licence to do any of these things, except where the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997, states otherwise.
Ohh...nice... never seen that before...Quote:
Originally Posted by northernontario
It's come up at camp twice now. I'm the younger generation... 30yo now. My longtime family friend's "kids" are growing up. Gone are the days when the kids would tramp the bush with dad during the hunt... daughter is in her 20's, she can't go "sit on a watch" with dad anymore or push up the end of a swamp for us, since she doesn't have a license. Son in his 20's has licenses, and he's actively out hunting. They tell lots of stories of years gone by and the questionable activities that occurred... but not anymore. Things are done by the book, and we've referred to the reg's a few times now to get clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
Non licenced person can still go along on a hunt, just can't participate in the actual hunt. Sitting and watching is fine. Happens all the time.
We all no the wording of the law, would you actually get charged? highly unlikely if their out for a walk with dad.
You got them out on the other side of the swamp pushing, then yes of course, but walking along, or sitting with dad waiting for the turkey, whether your 12 or 22.
Common sense prevails.
You are ok for 1 more year under 12 can't be charged with criminal act.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
Its a provincial offence if any, not criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
As previously posted, a non licenced person can go with a licenced hunter. We checked all this out when a buddy from the States came moose hunting. They cannot participate in the hunt, but can assist in retrieving game. Pushing bush or jumping on brush piles constitutes hunting and is not allowed. They can walk through a bush when pushing game , as long as they are immediately with a licenced hunter.
He's allowed to shoot as long as he's in your direct supervision but he is not allowed to hunt without his license. So essentially he can go target shooting with you but no hunting
He is allowed to shoot, but not at game!
Too bad that those under 16 are not allowed to come along and participate, just not carry guns, without a license. The same as kids fishing.....
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Originally Posted by northernontario
Those weren't questionable activities, it's called cultivating new hunters and it's perfectly fine. My children come out with me often, my oldest just took his course and did his apprentice license. His interest stemmed from all the times he came out with me. We've done this with adults many times as well. Your reading too much into it!
I remember those stories. My mom was poor as a child born after the war. Grampee use to poach lobster and mom was made fun of because only poor kid's ate lobster and deer or pheasant.
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Originally Posted by diverduck
You had to get a license so why wouldn't he
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Originally Posted by diverduck
Absolutely! In our family,it's a time-honored tradition. Only one of my boys has a license,but,the other three still like to come out for "tramp in the woods" every once in a while,even as adults and now,the grandkids are old enough to come out,too. They love it. Over the years,I've ran into many CO's and nobody has ever questioned it. Sometimes,in these thread,some things tend to get over-analyzed. I think this may be one of them.
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
Ya think??? I believe that would fall under the Mikepal syndrome?
My parents used to take me out of elementary school for a day to duck hunt with Dad and his friends ... the teachers and principal of the school called in my parents to give them royal hell for doing this ... Mom defended with "he will learn more in the field than the one day he missed from school" ... after she was done with them, they never bothered us again.
With the laws, many of which are to get more money from us hunters, I am surprised we do not need a hunting license for our retrieving dogs, since they participate in the hunt and often inform us a duck is approaching when we do not see it.
Don't give them anymore ideals please
Woops I just sent that idea off to Wynn's email.
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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Well,silly me. I always thought dogs had to be licensed,too.
The united hound dog union of Ontario is not going to like the fact labs and pointers can operate without a licence in this province.
i didnt know that you could shot without a pal lol i have been telling my friend to go get his pal so he could come do some clays
with me
FA states that a person without a license can be in possession of a fire arm ONLY under the DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE supervision of a license holder.. The Ontario CFO has said that to mean arms length. And one gun be between 2,ppl.. Other CFO allow 2 guns...Quote:
Originally Posted by ginochipchip