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Upland Gundog Association Hunt Test - Aug. 30 at Ruffwood
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How many people are registered so far. I wanted to run last time but nobody entered.
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After Todays conversation their will be 10 I believe. Sign up little Britt. It will be a whole lot of fun plus a great opportunity to learn. I have been asked to do a waterfowl search training demonstration as well for those running a NAVHDA test. This portion seems to be an ongoing concern nationwide. After seeing my techniques for training it you will see it is one of the best parts of the test. I use my GSP's in my outfitting bushiness for waterfowl retrieval. I normally do not show this tip as I do train Professionally.
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I have participated in similar events in New York state and let me tell you they are an absolute blast. Really nice to see the pointing and flushing crowd team up to put on a quality event. I'll have my entries organized within a few days Josh, looking forward to it.
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Sounds like a fun day. I'm always ready to learn more training tips. I will register tomorrow for sure.
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The UGA events are obviously not recognized nor sanctioned by the CKC as I see e collars are allowed to be used. Has there been any attempt to have these events recognized because any accrued titles are also not recognized nor will be recorded here??
From my perspective, entry fees are expensive.
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krakadawn
From my perspective, entry fees are expensive.
I agree, especially from the standpoint that if you do indeed title a dog through the organization it is not recognized by the CKC. Seems like an awful lot to pay for someone to say "ya your dog can do this". I think it sounds like a lot of fun and would definitely be interesting to see all different styles of upland dogs compete in one place. For me personally though I would rather run in something that is recognized - if it came down to running a hunt test or a UGA event I would pick the hunt test because it is something that my dog will be able to have to their name - and that means something to other people within my breed's circle. I think it would be great if the UGA were to work towards something like that - similar to HRC say for retrievers.
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I am finding more and more people are not as concerned if it's not recognized by the C.K.C in all circles of dog events.Wether you agree or not its reality. If I have my dog entered in another club or organization and receive a certificate with the title and I believe in what that particular club stands for at all levels then I am happy to be a part of it. The C.K.C doesn't have the same clout or image it use to have and would rather have C.K.C examine what other clubs are doing to see what they could be doing wrong.
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Awesome I hope to take the event in as a spectator with some family members on August 30th. I admire your hard work an dedication putting on such an event.
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I disagree with your first statement...it is clearly not in all dog circles, you may wish to rethink that statement. Most definitely not within the field trial communities of more than retrievers.
You might be happy with a club level certificate, but many others are not and they need to be clear about these results from the on set.
Your last statement is incorrect as well. Currently the CKC has more clout than ever. Whether we want or agree with that is a different matter. Comments like these clearly show lack of any current relationship with CKC. Things like Judge selection, who judges, who's qualified, when an event can be held, future trail dates, how close to another's jurisdiction, how results are to be received, accumulation of points, catalogue format, catalogue submission, listing fees.....the list goes on......
Who is currently arguing the case for exportation of pups on our behalf?
I'm not against the holding of these events. I do think that people need to know realities though right from the on set. If this is such an upcoming direction then present a case for it, the numbers I see mentioned as wanting to be part of this are extremely low and charging the level of fees as stated does little to attract people to attempt to get some club's recognition.
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krakadawn
I disagree with your first statement...it is clearly not in all dog circles, you may wish to rethink that statement. Most definitely not within the field trial communities of more than retrievers.
You might be happy with a club level certificate, but many others are not and they need to be clear about these results from the on set.
Your last statement is incorrect as well. Currently the CKC has more clout than ever. Whether we want or agree with that is a different matter. Comments like these clearly show lack of any current relationship with CKC. Things like Judge selection, who judges, who's qualified, when an event can be held, future trail dates, how close to another's jurisdiction, how results are to be received, accumulation of points, catalogue format, catalogue submission, listing fees.....the list goes on......
Who is currently arguing the case for exportation of pups on our behalf?
I'm not against the holding of these events. I do think that people need to know realities though right from the on set. If this is such an upcoming direction then present a case for it, the numbers I see mentioned as wanting to be part of this are extremely low and charging the level of fees as stated does little to attract people to attempt to get some club's recognition.
I guess your dog circle and mine clearly not the same people but it doesn't mean i am wrong or incorrect. I know many who have pulled out as members from C.K.C for various reasons over the years and will not return. These people really don't have any interest in C.K.C events and continue as very ethical breeders and take part in other non sanctioned C.K.C events. I totally disagree that C.K.C continue to have more clout today than they ever have because if they did then the people in my circle would still be members....not so. I applaud UGA and support them for taking on such an event even if the numbers are low and that does not mean because it is not C.K.C sanctioned. The UGA must be doing something right and providing another alternative and realize an opportunity in this neck of the woods. Other clubs can provide the same level of judge selection, who's qualified etc. and I have been part of that selection in other dog events as well . Since you seem to have more knowledge of the C.K.C please share the current and future plans with us and any changes that may be happening. Has C.K.C ever reached out to other clubs such as UGA to partner with them ? Have you with your relationship with C.K.C ever had talks with your committee members to pursue other clubs to join ? I am always interested in a club that promotes an open discussion among members and sharing creative ideas how a club can improve its image.
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Not sure who the people are in your circle YD but they are not likely competing in any licensed field trials or hunt tests??? Whether they continue as ethical breeders is beside the point. Do they register their dogs?
I think you may confuse 'image' with clout. If you want to discuss how CKC might be more effective and change some practises then I'm all in and probably agree to a certain extent.
Clout is a different matter.
Are your 'unofficial' groups rallying around the recent USA announcement about importation of pups?? You say they are ethical but are they involved in the greater playing field of issues in and around our dogs?? If so tell me what they're doing.
You are asking the wrong person about current and future plans. The list of Ontario Directors is readily available and you have a rep in your area so take the opportunity and ask those questions. The CKC site does a good job of updating it's members about current issues....sounds like you don't belong.
I can tell you that there are many 'dog' councils within CKC that meet regularly, take input from folks that are part of that area and refine and update rules/approaches etc. Yup, I've been on the Retriever Council for some time so I have some knowledge and am privy to issues that affect others.
It is not my job description to approach other clubs....perhaps that responsibility might be looked at from the other direction as well. I can tell you from experience that separate clubs often came to the OFAH's Sporting Dog Committee for help yet were not OFAH members but wanted support when their back side was in the wringer.
I am not against a movement of this sort, I believe people need to hear the whole story first....fees, titles, legalities(we haven't even discussed if MNR sanction their activity). If you want me to be convinced that a showing of 10 people justifies this direction then you're going to have to dig deeper. I also can't believe they sanction the use of an e collar when participating.
However, I'm happy to hear more.
Have you been involved in organizing/running any dog events? Are you part of a club now or previously? Are you talking about the selection of judges for bird dog/retriever/hound events. If you had you would know how much direction the CKC demands.
Did you ever get yourself out to any trials that we spoke about last spring?
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That's great and appreciate the feedback with your involvement. Yes for many years I was a C.K.C member and the last four years let it slide due to life changing events and kennel closer. I started and spearheaded the Kemptville Ferguson Forest annual sled dog race with a good friend of mine. I was the director for this event for many years. Acted as trail boss and installing race course, in charge of and collecting race purse money. I promoted the club through spots on the local news out of Ottawa and various newspaper articles promoting this annual club event. These events were and others as well had a race marshall on behalf of the club and C.K.C that would sign documentation once purebred teams crossed the finish line. This signed document was proof to C.K.C that this particular member put so many miles towards a title that C.K.C issues once completed. Such titles as SD, SDX, SDXX have different logged miles signed by the race marshall to acquire title. Mentored many people over the years and established an ethical breeding program still being used to this day.
And yes I went to the Fisherville event this past spring and plan on going to another. As expressed in a previous thread i had a fantastic time. I will also be going to an event next year in Ireland when I pick up another Spaniel. Been involved on and off as club member with Ducks Unlimited and most recently Delta Waterfowl. Many many years dedicated to ethical breedings practices and care of the breed I use to be involved with. Who knows maybe the next adventure will be field trialing and joining the various clubs in the area.
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It's not the clout or reputation of the CKC that matters; it's the standard of training that the title reflects, whether it is an American Field title or CKC or AKC or NAVHDA or whatever. If you look at the rules for the UGA event (for example, pointers only having to hold point for 5 seconds) it's clear that the title doesn't mean much beside any of them.
But ... owning a dog isn't a competition unless you choose to make it one, so that doesn't really matter. You get the dog you train, at the standard you demand, and events like this exist because they reflect the dogs a lot of people want. If people go out and have fun with their dogs and try to bring their dogs to whatever standard then that's a good thing.
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edited due to a lack of understanding of the purpose of the event. Sorry.
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I think the Advanced test is great! Would like to see a stop to wild flush instead of a call off , but it's a quality test .If I had a good leg.............
Ps I've tried to google info but had no luck.
Could someone tell me the link for the GDA advanced pointing breed test?
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Spaniel field trials don't allow any collar of any kind. We are nudists. :)
The rules are here: http://uplandgundog.com/our-events/
I misspoke (miswrote?); the 5 second rule is for the basic level only.
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That's because you don't have to try and find your dog out there a 1/4 mile + , in the bush, on point. :)
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That's because you don't have to try and find your dog out there a mile + , in the bush, on point. :)
That's debatable... HAHAHAHA jk
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It's not the clout or reputation of the CKC that matters; it's the standard of training that the title reflects, whether it is an American Field title or CKC or AKC or NAVHDA or whatever. If you look at the rules for the UGA event (for example, pointers only having to hold point for 5 seconds) it's clear that the title doesn't mean much beside any of them.
But ... owning a dog isn't a competition unless you choose to make it one, so that doesn't really matter. You get the dog you train, at the standard you demand, and events like this exist because they reflect the dogs a lot of people want. If people go out and have fun with their dogs and try to bring their dogs to whatever standard then that's a good thing.
A+ for that comment
And they start events like this as they are unable to compete at existing/current frameworks.
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These tests have nothing to do with the CKC. We are an independent organization. These tests are designed for hunters. At the entry level you are allowed to use them as they are a tool used by hunters in the field. At the advanced level they are not allowed as we expect more teamwork between handler/dog. As for cost this is pay as you play. No membership, no politics. All hunt all the time. It is a great educational experience as well as you get to see pointers and flushers at the same event. I would live to see a good group of support out as at the end of the day it's about dogs and birds. I run in NAVHDA and CKC events as well. As many opportunities to get my dogs on birds the better my dogs get.
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These tests have nothing to do with the CKC. We are an independent organization. These tests are designed for hunters. At the entry level you are allowed to use them as they are a tool used by hunters in the field. At the advanced level they are not allowed as we expect more teamwork between handler/dog. As for cost this is pay as you play. No membership, no politics. All hunt all the time. It is a great educational experience as well as you get to see pointers and flushers at the same event. I would live to see a good group of support out as at the end of the day it's about dogs and birds. I run in NAVHDA and CKC events as well. As many opportunities to get my dogs on birds the better my dogs get.
Awesome and I appreciate what you are doing and hope to make it out as a spectator.
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Come on Vince! Participate. :)
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It seems that pointing dog field trials in Ontario is a declining thing. If a group could combine multiple disciplines ( flushers, pointers ,retrievers) of hunting dogs and find efficiencies in putting on events then everybody should benefit no? As for the CKC endorsements or lack of that could be of consequence if one was looking to breed his or her dogs and needed registration but the FDSB and AKC are perfectly acceptable and respected governing bodies also and my guess is most gundog owners don't intend on starting up a kennel and breeding just like to hunt over a dog. I can't attend because I have to move my daughter into residence/school that day but would certainly have been there if I could just out of curiosity. Mike and Donna have a nice facility so this should be a good event to look at.
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A+ for that comment
And they start events like this as they are unable to compete at existing/current frameworks.
In the sled dog world for purebreds just crossing the finish line and accumulating miles the C.K.C will issue a title. They could be dead last and still receive a title once the paper work is signed by the race official and paperwork sent in. These titles were developed mainly by the show breeders to say yes we have pretty dogs and they can finish long distance races but they don't tell anyone they finished dead last. I wouldn't give C.K.C an A+ but rather F in this case. These titles were frowned upon by the serious working bloodline Siberian husky racers because because the show bloodline promoters were lining up to get these titles.
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Come on Vince! Participate. :)
You little devil. :)
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yellow dog
In the sled dog world for purebreds just crossing the finish line and accumulating miles the C.K.C will issue a title. They could be dead last and still receive a title once the paper work is signed by the race official and paperwork sent in. These titles were developed mainly by the show breeders to say yes we have pretty dogs and they can finish long distance races but they don't tell anyone they finished dead last. I wouldn't give C.K.C an A+ but rather F in this case. These titles were frowned upon by the serious working bloodline Siberian husky racers because because the show bloodline promoters were lining up to get these titles.
I would agree with an 'F' in that situation, much similar to the development of the WC and WCX which was basically a push by folks with show dogs to get some level of a field title on their dog and they were unable to compete in field trials .I judged the first WC in Ontario.....I don't even want to discuss that.
My comment about what Welch said:
It's not the clout or reputation of the CKC that matters; it's the standard of training that the title reflects, whether it is an American Field title or CKC or AKC or NAVHDA or whatever. If you look at the rules for the UGA event (for example, pointers only having to hold point for 5 seconds) it's clear that the title doesn't mean much beside any of them.
But ... owning a dog isn't a competition unless you choose to make it one, so that doesn't really matter. You get the dog you train, at the standard you demand, and events like this exist because they reflect the dogs a lot of people want. If people go out and have fun with their dogs and try to bring their dogs to whatever standard then that's a good thing
Was not about CKC at all but rather his view that there are standards.....standards for performance linked directly to clear and stated expectations and getting people involved pursuing these goals.
In our field trials you get points only for placing 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. You must win at least one major All Age stake to get a Field Champion title. You must WIN. If you finish the trial you may be awarded a 'CM" meaning certificate of merit........it comes with no points. So a bit similar to your example but CM'S still being a worthy accomplishment and would not be viewed as finishing last. So are you saying sled dogs could get a racing title by accumulating last place finishes???
CKC is not some foreign body making up rules we like or dislike. The Directors are elected by the members, Council members are selected from various divisions(retrievers, luring ,pointing dog etc) Players in essence determine points required etc for titles.
I am not here to sell CKC, that's their job but I am amazed at the lack of knowledge and at times sheer ignorance when it comes to them. They have shortfalls....no doubt....like move out of Toronto folks!
And by the way if you dislike how CKC looks at sled racing and recognition then approach the Council to make changes. This happens all the time regardless of the type of dog or competition under current CKC process......if you don't like it then do something about it.
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krakadawn
I would agree with an 'F' in that situation, much similar to the development of the WC and WCX which was basically a push by folks with show dogs to get some level of a field title on their dog and they were unable to compete in field trials .I judged the first WC in Ontario.....I don't even want to discuss that.
My comment about what Welch said:
It's not the clout or reputation of the CKC that matters; it's the standard of training that the title reflects, whether it is an American Field title or CKC or AKC or NAVHDA or whatever. If you look at the rules for the UGA event (for example, pointers only having to hold point for 5 seconds) it's clear that the title doesn't mean much beside any of them.
But ... owning a dog isn't a competition unless you choose to make it one, so that doesn't really matter. You get the dog you train, at the standard you demand, and events like this exist because they reflect the dogs a lot of people want. If people go out and have fun with their dogs and try to bring their dogs to whatever standard then that's a good thing
Was not about CKC at all but rather his view that there are standards.....standards for performance linked directly to clear and stated expectations and getting people involved pursuing these goals.
In our field trials you get points only for placing 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. You must win at least one major All Age stake to get a Field Champion title. You must WIN. If you finish the trial you may be awarded a 'CM" meaning certificate of merit........it comes with no points. So a bit similar to your example but CM'S still being a worthy accomplishment and would not be viewed as finishing last. So are you saying sled dogs could get a racing title by accumulating last place finishes???
CKC is not some foreign body making up rules we like or dislike. The Directors are elected by the members, Council members are selected from various divisions(retrievers, luring ,pointing dog etc) Players in essence determine points required etc for titles.
I am not here to sell CKC, that's their job but I am amazed at the lack of knowledge and at times sheer ignorance when it comes to them. They have shortfalls....no doubt....like move out of Toronto folks!
And by the way if you dislike how CKC looks at sled racing and recognition then approach the Council to make changes. This happens all the time regardless of the type of dog or competition under current CKC process......if you don't like it then do something about it.
The true working bloodline Siberian people basically wanted nothing to do with the working certificate especially since it was started and promoted by the show breeders. And yes if you are dead last you still would qualify because you finished and put the miles in to qualify. A well known musher runs the Iditarod almost every year with show huskies and finishes dead last every year and the majority of her dog team have the titles. These titles become a selling feature to potential puppy purchasers when it becomes known she has ran the Iditarod many times. While others with the pure working strain have placed in the top five on numerous occasions and do not care if they have a C.K.C title because the standings speak for themselves. The true working bloodline advocates do not seek C.K.C recognition and is basically a joke amongst the racers ,breeders etc.
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So tell me what is required to title a sled dog?
Points.....how many?
No wins??
That is in a different world when it comes to retriever trials and hunt tests......dogs that title deserve so and are extremely accomplished.
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SD title is the accumulation of 50 miles.
SDX - 150 miles
SDU - 500 miles
I think I may have missed another title for over 500 miles.
Yes I agree it's a different world when it comes to the retriever world from what you and others have described.
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My setters should qualify for an SDU. :)
20 miles a week x 52 weeks x 8 years -1 year equals 7280 miles.
Ohhhh You have to do it in one event? :)
I felt badly when Susan Butcher died . What a breeder and competitor!
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yellow dog
SD title is the accumulation of 50 miles.
SDX - 150 miles
SDU - 500 miles
I think I may have missed another title for over 500 miles.
Yes I agree it's a different world when it comes to the retriever world from what you and others have described.
Thanks, interesting that dogs can get some titles just by logging a certain number of miles. I realize that can be of merit but is a far cry from the competitive world where one must win and not just finish. I can see why some of your folks don't put a lot of 'stock' in those titles especially if they are competitive people.
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Sharon
My setters should qualify for an SDU. :)
20 miles a week x 52 weeks x 8 years -1 year equals 7280 miles.
Ohhhh You have to do it in one event? :)
I felt badly when Susan Butcher died . What a breeder and competitor!
No you do not have to do it in one event especially the sprint racers who accumulate the miles at each event. I met Susan Butcher many years ago at a symposium a very down to earth and jolly person. Usually before you enter the first race of the year your team would have at least 400 training miles on them.
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That's wild. No wonder though that show breeder would race. Why not? To potential puppy buyers who don't know much about the actual sled dog scene you could really amp them up and drive the price up. Its a shame its not a better set up so people who actually put the time and effort into their dogs could show a real accomplishment
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Just to get back on track Guys If you were planning on entering please get signed up sp we know how many birds to order for the event.
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Just to get back on track Guys If you were planning on entering please get signed up sp we know how many birds to order for the event.
It's amazing how quickly "Original Posts " get hijacked and side tracked .:angry:
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All signed up for the Dog Challenge "Pointing Dog" who else is running.
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Joshcat,
I'm interested to hear what you believe that an independent organization such as the UGA really offers to the average gun hunter as compared to entering a field trial or hunt test. What do you offer that they don't?
Your entry fees are much higher, your titles are not recorded on pedigrees nor are they widely accepted as standards . How grounded were the development of the rules? You are not recognized by CKC or AKC.
How successful were other events? Number of entrants?
I am not against new venues coming along but think there needs to be more information and more
rationale.
Someone stated earlier in this thread that more people could care less if an event was related to CKC and believed that it was a growing circle. Unless you're going to field 100 dogs or more in this event, I highly doubt that belief as it applies here
In the retriever world we do host 'unofficial' events, we call them picnic trials or training sessions where folks work with their dogs but they remain unofficial.
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I've tried to be silent or pleasant about this but................
I'm turned off by the amount of PUSh on the forum for this event over the last month?
There are all kinds of events coming up. If they all pushed like that it would be a pretty boring forum. Advertising an event once or even twice seems sufficient to me.
I'd encourage you Josh to participate in some of the other threads too. Otherwise it just looks like a slick advertising programme. ( You've posted 10+ posts out of 14 about your event).
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I've tried to be silent or pleasant about this but................
I'm turned off by the amount of PUSh on the forum for this event over the last month?
There are all kinds of events coming up. If they all pushed like that it would be a pretty boring forum. Advertising an event once or even twice seems sufficient to me.
I'd encourage you Josh to participate in some of the other threads too. Otherwise it just looks like a slick advertising programme. ( You've posted 10+ posts out of 14 about your event).
I'd pretty much agree with that assessment.
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I will be there to watch Little Britt prance around in his assless chaps while running his young GSP!! Should be some solid entertainment!
If they were going to use pheasants for this event, I would enter for fun. It seems like a fun day.
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Another witty post by rock-o. What's the difference if it's pheasant, chukar or quail. Do you not trust your dog in retrieving smaller birds without eating them lol. Yes I will be trying this test out. It will be a good warm up for my navhda UT test in a few weeks. Having my dog in this atmosphere is a good learning tool to be patient and relaxed when it is her turn to run. I don't find anything wrong with this testing. If your just starting out or a seasoned trainer. It might get you involved in other testing as well. UGA needs a starting point and yes Josh is promoting it, why wouldn't he. I mean ckc, akc and navhda all started out at one point. As for pricing, if your training your dog and putting in countless hours and money for birds, gas, equipment etc. what's another $100. At the end of the day we are not doing this for big money prizes, we are doing it because we have a passion for the sport. Maybe this is the reason we only get so far in Canada, people are negative to any new ideas. Just my opinion
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I will be there to watch Little Britt prance around in his assless chaps while running his young GSP!! Should be some solid entertainment!
If they were going to use pheasants for this event, I would enter for fun. It seems like a fun day.
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Good Luck Little Brit. Don't mind Rock-o. He might just be a closet pointer guy.
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Every group/association has to start somewhere. If this model/direction doesn't have value to sporting dog owners then it won't last long. I would think there is a reason why this group is trying to get off the ground?
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Every group/association has to start somewhere. If this model/direction doesn't have value to sporting dog owners then it won't last long. I would think there is a reason why this group is trying to get off the ground?
The Underlying Mission of Hunt Test Organizations
By: Ryan Eder – President, Upland Gundog Association
Do we really understand the goals of hunt tests? Sure, we are bettering the breeds by constantly measuring performance and ability in the field. We are putting titles on pedigrees to show generations of success, and giving people and dogs alike a platform to enjoy dog work and have something to train for other than just hunting season. Hunt tests have given us a reason to form clubs and organizations that are dedicated to hosting training days, events and fundraisers to give people the chance to enjoy the fellowship of others who share in their passion for dogs, training dogs and hunting with dogs. I would venture to say that these clubs have given people great memories and lifelong friendships, which is fantastic. Sure, there are negatives. We often hear about “bias judging”, politics, problems with rules, tests not being welcoming to newcomers or amateurs, but those issues are to be discussed another time; I want to focus on what the true and underlying mission is of a sincere hunt test organization.
It is my opinion that our mission through hunt tests is not titles or ribbons, it is education. Education is key to not only the growth of hunt tests (both organizations and the sport in general), but key to a much larger picture. Let me explain.
Until I started training dogs with people who participate in hunt tests, I never truly understood what a “good” dog was. Like anyone just starting, I had no idea just how advanced the sport was, and how far these dogs could go, what they were capable of. I learned quickly that training dogs for hunt tests required a lot of special ingredients, both on my part and the dog. The importance of quality genetics in a dog can often be the difference between success and failure in training. You also learn that training a dog for the field is very technical (not as difficult as it seems at first, but definitely more complex than you ever imagined), and can be intimidating at first. Like anything, if you take the time to learn correctly, and put the effort in (it is a LOT of time), you get more comfortable with the process and understand on a much deeper level how the training process goes. Why is this significant? Imagine if we could get more people who are interested in dogs to hunt test events. We could teach them the importance of quality genetics and quality training tactics through the best tool in the world; live demonstration. If people understood how important genetics and quality training were, and knew how to identify where they can find both, then we could help the right kennels, breeders and trainers of the world by sending them clients who truly wish to develop a great dog, and give them a great home. In turn, we can steer people away from “backyard breeders”, or kennel programs that simply breed dogs for profit and pay no attention to exactly what kind of dogs they are producing. If the backyard breeders see a drop off in clients, they go out of business, it is that simple.
Furthermore, by helping people learn about quality genetics and proper training, we will see a much higher percentage of happy dog owners, which leads to lifelong commitments to their animals. We would see less shelter dogs, less dogs being sold because they “didn’t work out”. Please do not get me wrong, there are plenty of people who will drop the ball and not see through the rigorous effort and commitment of training their dog properly, but by making sure they are dealing with a dog with exceptional genetics, the dog can have a higher chance of working out with their next owner. Genetics matter, more than anyone can ever explain!
Another underlying benefit to educating people about the training process and what it takes to get an advanced dog (regardless of whether an advanced dog is their goal or not), is that consumers (amateur or inexperienced dog trainers looking for professional training assistance) have a much more comprehensive understanding of what a program should entail. They can meet and discuss their needs with a trainer and immediately know whether that program is a good option for them or not. Again, this allows the trainers and kennels that do a great job to stay busy, keep their businesses going, and makes it difficult for trainers who do a poor job to exist. Is it as simple as I am making it sound? No. But this is a great start; educated consumers seeking puppies, started or finished dogs and professional gun dog training would be great for the industry as a whole as well as our issues with full shelters and abandoned pets. It is a great way to begin eliminating unethical and poor quality breeding or training programs out there as well.
This information does not only exist in the sporting dog world, we could make this argument for all types of dogs. My thought is that at the very least, if someone buys a dog from a reputable program out of quality genetics, and has proper help or guidance in training (even if a hunt test is not their intended goal), they will have a dog that is well trained in the home, and a pleasure to own. This is just as important as producing advanced field dogs when it comes to larger issues we face regarding dogs and their owners. All of this can stem from hunt tests; sharing our knowledge and experiences and letting new people witness what dogs are capable of when trained correctly. I see a lot of underlying benefits from growing the hunt test area, and do my best to promote all hunt test organizations, not just the UGA.
Make sure to bring someone to a training session or hunt test event next time you go. Let’s do our part in educating the public about how important it is to know where to get our dogs from, how to train them (or how to find the right training assistance), and I think we can make immediate positive impacts on large issues that exist between dogs and their owners.
Field trialer states. Nice read Ryan. I'd be happy to support you in your debut to Canada. Sound like an honest guy with Integrity!
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" Nice read Ryan. I'd be happy to support you in your debut to Canada. Sound like an honest guy with Integrity! " quote fieldtrialer
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And the Public Relations campaign continues.
(We have no doubt that both Josh and Ryan are fine gentlemen.)
I read the whole article ; it is a very good article.
However , there is no need to feel one has to sell the people in this forum on the value of hunt tests. MANY have been participating in hunt tests, judging , volunteering, gunning etc..for MANY years.
When I take my mutt JRT to the dog park , I regularly talk to folks who have sporting breeds about hunt tests. 99% have never heard of them. I give them a link ( including your event), and encourage them to get out and at least join the gallery for a day. They are always curious.
Only when the uneducated sporting breed owner is reached will hunt test participation increase.
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Are you not a member of the UGA ON planning committee Ian?
PS What breed are you fieldtrialing now? Is your dog Sarah still hunting?
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I have to agree Sharon, although the article is like preaching to the converted here on the site, still contains valid points.
Just a couple of observations:
-Hunt tests were around a long time before the UGA started
-Field trials were around before them
This is not 'new' information in an attempt to justify UGA philosophy etc.
Just curious why the UGA changed it's name recently deleting the word 'retrievers'??
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I will probably meet you in the stands YellowDog......
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Having my dog in this atmosphere is a good learning tool to be patient and relaxed when it is her turn to run.
Hey little brit let me know how that works out for you. Haha I couldn't imagine a Brittany being patient and relaxed listening to guns go off and knowing there is a bird field to run in. Good luck and have fun.
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Kjay my little Brits now a 13 year old wide Brit. I will be running my 2year old GSP and she will be wired for sound. I hope the judge is in shape because she can make up some ground in a hurry. Lol
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Haha why did you change to the dark side? I think any gun dog is a nut bar while waiting to go. Jim has jumped out of the window several times at Mikes, now I am rolling up the window when I turn at Windecker Road.
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What time does the gun dog challenge start at?
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Well yesterday was the first UGA event in Ontario and it was a success. About 15 dogs ran the open pointing division from GSP's, setters, Brittany's, vizslas and they also had a flushing division with only 3 dogs running 2 Boykin spaniels and a lab. They had the open timed challenge running along with test events. Great grounds to run on at Ruffwood Game farm owed by Mike and Donna Wilshire, a big thanks to them for letting UGA hold the test at their farm. They were a big help in volunteering. A big thanks also to Josh Robinson and Ian for putting this event on. Let's make the next one bigger and better and get this ball rolling. Spencer Ray took 1st and 2nd with 2 setters and Mike Wilshire took 3rd with a Vizsla and I took 4th with my GSP. First 2 dogs only 4sec apart and Mike was 20sec out of 2nd and I was 30 out of 3rd. So it was very close and some great work from all the dogs.
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Good for you! 4th with 15 dogs is terrific. :)
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Yeah .....5 dogs had 2 runs so I guess it would be 20 dogs or times your competing against. They take your best time. I only ran once
( tight budget lol). I was very proud of my pup. I will run it again when they come back for sure. Great day out.
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They need more flushing dog interest.
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Grasu200
I will probably meet you in the stands YellowDog......
Did you end up going ? I couldn't make it had family drop in all weekend.
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Thanks Scott. Good warm up for next weekends navhda utility test.
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Good job Larry.
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Glad to read it was a fun time. Perhaps next year they can schedule the event well in advance and not on a holiday weekend. Also, perhaps in April when it is not so hot and humid.
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Looked like a really fun event.
But......
Rules need to be changed. Right now in my opinion, the rules are catered to the "Rich". If you want it to be a real competition, only allow one run per person. That's it.....fastest time wins.
Makes no sense to allow some one to keep re-running their dog on the same test if they pay again.
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Do these groups have their tests on the same property or are they looking for new areas for their trials. Only asking because I know of some nice land which would be at their disposal if they wished.
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Stilchen67 how far is this land from Brantford. I'm looking for new training grounds.
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rock_o
Looked like a really fun event.
But......
Rules need to be changed. Right now in my opinion, the rules are catered to the "Rich". If you want it to be a real competition, only allow one run per person. That's it.....fastest time wins.
Makes no sense to allow some one to keep re-running their dog on the same test if they pay again.
Excellent point. You shouldn't be allowed to keep "buying" a possible better score. Also the long weekend is problematic for many. I know for a fact I will be booked every year on that weekend doing other family obligations and I'm sure many others would too.
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Normally, rerunning a dog on the same test is called training not testing. I know of no other competition that allows you to rerun regardless if one pays an additional fee or not.
What really would concern me is that a 'title' could be awarded.....even a club title by doing this. Planting a bird in the same spot for the second run???? If I plant a blind for my guys, I gurantee you they will know the exact location when I return to run it again......again...training...not testing
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krakadawn
Normally, rerunning a dog on the same test is called training not testing. I know of no other competition that allows you to rerun regardless if one pays an additional fee or not.
What really would concern me is that a 'title' could be awarded.....even a club title by doing this. Planting a bird in the same spot for the second run???? If I plant a blind for my guys, I gurantee you they will know the exact location when I return to run it again......again...training...not testing
your getting the wrong information here.
I ran in this event. It was an open gun dog challenge NOT a test. Birds are planted in an area (live birds) that will run and relocated ( not a pile of 2 week old dead ducks). Some do stay but most ran to different cover.
No titles are awarded for the challenge just a 1st, 2nd, 3rd
One adjustment that might want to changed is the competitors being able to view field before running. Maybe have a starting station away from the field.
But it all and all it was a good fun day.
Hey krakadawn maybe you should step out from behind your computer screen and give it a shot next time. Anyone can critique how an event is ran, why not step in and share your experience with others. Only 3 flushing dogs ran, with the amount of lab people on here you would think a few more dogs needed some exercise.
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It may surprise you to learn that this event was not the only possible way for dogs to get exercise in Ontario, and that people who chose not to participate were not necessarily sitting at home behind their computer screens.
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It may surprise you to learn that this event was not the only possible way for dogs to get exercise in Ontario, and that people who chose not to participate were not necessarily sitting at home behind their computer screens.
I love this site, so many opinions and everyone wants an argument. What I'm trying to say in my last post was...If you don't like it, then don't participate and we don't need your negative thoughts on the event. Lol. All the people that ran had fun.
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Thanks for clarifying what "we" need. I'll be sure to get your permission before posting again.
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I don't know what all the facts are, but I'd love that in American Field Trials. :) " Could we try that again Judge?"
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little brit
your getting the wrong information here.
I ran in this event. It was an open gun dog challenge NOT a test. Birds are planted in an area (live birds) that will run and relocated ( not a pile of 2 week old dead ducks). Some do stay but most ran to different cover.
No titles are awarded for the challenge just a 1st, 2nd, 3rd
One adjustment that might want to changed is the competitors being able to view field before running. Maybe have a starting station away from the field.
But it all and all it was a good fun day.
Hey krakadawn maybe you should step out from behind your computer screen and give it a shot next time. Anyone can critique how an event is ran, why not step in and share your experience with others. Only 3 flushing dogs ran, with the amount of lab people on here you would think a few more dogs needed some exercise.
Hey Lil Brit, thanks for the update and clarification, always good to hear from people who were there. I think it's semantics whether you call this a challenge or a test, I stick to my view of rerunning. As you said no titles were awarded....but do these results not contribute to a title at some point?
And as far as stepping out from a computer.....I'll bet I've logged more miles going to dog trials and training and ran more retriever trials than I care to keep track of this year as in many other years and yes my guys train almost daily so don't think people just sit at home.
The event sounded like people enjoyed themselves....great!. My concern is that these events are not portrayed as something they are not....quite simply.
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I'm surprised no pictures or comments were posted by the organizers. I'd like to have heard their thoughts on how things went.
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little brit
I love this site, so many opinions and everyone wants an argument. What I'm trying to say in my last post was...If you don't like it, then don't participate and we don't need your negative thoughts on the event. Lol. All the people that ran had fun.
I can agree with not participating...that can fit for anyone. As far as 'negative' thoughts....that's not where I have been coming from at all. I have been attempting to put this type of activity in clear comparison to what exists already and to not promote any confusion when it comes to results/titles/ckc affliation etc to folks who may not have that information.
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Differing opinions are not negative thoughts. That's what a forum is about - discussing varying viewpoints.
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Hey Lil Brit, thanks for the update and clarification, always good to hear from people who were there. I think it's semantics whether you call this a challenge or a test, I stick to my view of rerunning. As you said no titles were awarded....but do these results not contribute to a title at some point?
And as far as stepping out from a computer.....I'll bet I've logged more miles going to dog trials and training and ran more retriever trials than I care to keep track of this year as in many other years and yes my guys train almost daily so don't think people just sit at home.
The event sounded like people enjoyed themselves....great!. My concern is that these events are not portrayed as something they are not....quite simply.
No titles awarded just a fun timed event for the bird challenge . They did run some test which will result in a UGA title if passed. I only ran the timed event.
as for my comment about stepping out......just trying to say come out run your dogs have fun, meet and help new people getting involved in the dog game. Most labs guys I know started off running hunt test then found that FT's were better. But they gotta start somewhere.
This event was what it was.....a UGA event. They said nothing about being affiliated with ckc, akc or any other organization. No need to be concerned...people will do what they want and run what they want. When I go play golf, I know I'm not in a PGA tournament and I'm not getting a green jacket at the end of the day. I play for fun.
bottom line here is like I said before.....being out with your dog training. Training for what.....to have a better dog for hunting, trials or just because that's what your dog is bred to do. You send thousands of dollars each year for what.......for a $2 ribbon. If you want a ribbon cheaper go to the dollar store and just buy one. This is not for a ribbon, this is for your passion and love for dogs. It is for me anyway.
On that note. Time to go train. I got 20 pigeons outside waiting to be pointed and retrieved by my dog.
Sharon if you want to see pictures go to Ruffwood Facebook page.
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Shoot! I 'm not on Facebook.
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I would have liked to have seen this event but that weekend there were three other retriever events going on. GBHRC has run its hunt tests for 25 years on that weekend, the chessy club holds WC tests that weekend and a new field trial club had their first trial. So maybe alot of the retriever/flushers were tied up with the traditional events. Boy would I have loved a do over on the Amateur!
Maybe if it is another weekend we will be able to check it out.
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On that note. Time to go train. I got 20 pigeons outside waiting to be pointed and retrieved by my dog.
Little Brit, when you are done with those pigeons leave dead them outside for a week or two, and give me a call.
Assuming you actually kill any........
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Little Brit, when you are done with those pigeons leave dead them outside for a week or two, and give me a call.
Assuming you actually kill any........
not sure what your asking me labber.....do you want the dead birds. I can save them for you if you need them.
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Ya gotta watch that Labber fellow, Little Brit he'll get ya!
From post 69:
"I ran in this event. It was an open gun dog challenge NOT a test. Birds are planted in an area (live birds) that will run and relocated ( not a pile of 2 week old dead ducks). Some do stay but most ran to different cover."
Nice touch Scotty!
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LOL I have been staying away from this but I enjoyed that one Scott
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krakadawn
Ya gotta watch that Labber fellow, Little Brit he'll get ya!
From post 69:
"I ran in this event. It was an open gun dog challenge NOT a test. Birds are planted in an area (live birds) that will run and relocated ( not a pile of 2 week old dead ducks). Some do stay but most ran to different cover."
Nice touch Scotty!
LOL! :-)
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Just kidding Larry. Remember though that we are all just trying to get our birds in whatever way we think is best.
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Labber
Just kidding Larry. Remember though that we are all just trying to get our birds in whatever way we think is best.
lol I knew you were gearing me.......geeezz.....I should have known better. Just trying to say that even if bird is planted in the same area... It will relocate. That's all.
