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Hello guys! Is any Hunter in London avaible to do give rides for a new hunter?
I come from Brazil, just got my outdoors card and small games hunting licence but I dont own a car, so things are not that easy for me.
I am really looking forward to hunting squirrels and rabbits. I know we are not in open season yet, but I want to be ready when it comes. But if you are hunting any other small game that I could hunt with a pellet gun, I would be very happy to follow you.
Thank you!
Hopefully you have a PAL as well, when hunting with pellet rifle. Good luck with finding a buddy to hunt with. Welcome to forum, lots of great advice and good people to learn from here.
Only if it's over 500FPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
Welcome to the forum Saulo92.
nope new regs this year includes pellet rifles if i read them right
Class H1 Outdoors Card –
Residents
The H1 card permits the cardholder to hunt with all methods permitted under the
Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997. Applicants for this version of the Outdoors Card will have to provide documentation that they have passed both the Ontario Hunter Education Course exam and the Canadian Firearms Safety Course exam. These courses are normally delivered in a "One-Stop" combined course; however, both courses are avail-able independently if desired. "One-Stop" graduates will meet provincial training requirements to hunt with a gun or bow hunting equipment and the federal training requirements for firearm possession, acquisition and ownership.
Any person with a hunting version of an Ontario Outdoors Card, Ontario Hunting Licence or Hunter Education Exam Report indicating a pass issued after January 1, 1968, and before January 1, 2006, will be eligible for the H1 Outdoors Card.
Class H2 Outdoors Card –
Residents Only
The H2 card permits the cardholder to hunt with all methods permitted under the Act except guns. Applicants for this version of the Outdoors Card will have to provide documentation that they have passed the Ontario Hunter Education Course exam.
General Regualtion Changed from last Year
Firearms
Firearms include rifles, shotguns, air or pellet guns, bows and crossbows. You may use semi-automatic or repeating firearms for hunting in Ontario, but not handguns that are restricted or prohibited firearms or fully automatic firearms. Air and pellet pistols with a muzzle velocity less than 152 metres (500 feet) per second may be used for hunting in Ontario (see restrictions on page 24).
Remember: Hunting carelessly is an offence
. Hunters who handle or discharge firearms without due care and attention or consideration for persons and property are liable to a fine of up to $25,000 or imprisonment for up to two years - or both. Depending on the circumstances, a person may also be subject to charges under the Criminal Code.
General Regualtion Changed from last Year
Firearms
Firearms include rifles, shotguns, air or pellet guns, bows and crossbows. You may use semi-automatic or repeating firearms for hunting in Ontario, but not handguns that are restricted or prohibited firearms or fully automatic firearms. Air and pellet pistols with a muzzle velocity less than 152 metres (500 feet) per second may be used for hunting in Ontario (see restrictions on page 24).
Air is classed as firearm now, no (under) 500 fps for hunting anymore. Thats how I read it IMHO
Remember: Hunting carelessly is an offence
. Hunters who handle or discharge firearms without due care and attention or consideration for persons and property are liable to a fine of up to $25,000 or imprisonment for up to two years - or both. Depending on the circumstances, a person may also be subject to charges under the Criminal Code.
2013 Regulations
Outdoors Card and Hunting Licence Information for Residents of Ontario
An Ontario resident is a person whose primary residence is in any part of Ontario and who has actually resided in any part of Ontario for a period of at least
six consecutive months during the immediately preceding 12 months. Generally, hunters who do not fit this definition must purchase a non-resident licence (see page 20 for non-resident licence information).
Cards) based on the hunting method(s) for which the hunter
is accredited. Hunters will be designated as either H1 or H2.
The Class H1 card permits the cardholder to hunt with all methods permitted under the
Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997.
The Class H2 card permits the cardholder to hunt with all
methods permitted under the
Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997, except guns.
Any person will automatically be deemed to be an H1 hunter if they have:
• An Ontario hunting version Outdoors Card (current or
expired) issued before January 1, 2006,
OR
• An Ontario Hunter Education Exam Certificate/Report
indicating a pass issued after January 1, 1968, and before January 1, 2006, OR
• An Ontario resident’s hunting licence issued after
January 1, 1968, and before January 1, 1993.
If a new applicant does not automatically qualify as an H1 hunter, a hunting version Outdoors Card is issued based on the exam(s) the applicant has passed. To obtain an H1 hunting version Outdoors Card, the applicant must provide proof (an original or certified copy) of passing BOTH the Ontario Hunter Education Course exam and the Canadian Firearms Safety Course exam. The applicant for an H2 hunting version Outdoors Card must provide proof (an original or certified copy) of passing the Ontario Hunter Education Course exam.
NOTETwo classes of Hunter Apprenticeship Safety Cards are also recognized as of January 1, 2006. The A1 card permits the apprentice to hunt with all methods permitted under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997, and regulations. The A2 card permits the apprentice to hunt with all methods permitted under the Act and regulations, except guns. If the A1 apprentice is hunting with a gun, the mentor must hold an H1 Outdoors Card. If the apprentice is using bow hunting equipment or a falconry bird, the mentor must hold either an H1 or an H2 Outdoors Card
If that were the case (and it may be, but I don't believe so) everyone with a crossbow would need a PAL as well as "bows" is listed there. And I haven't heard boo on here from all the X-Bow hunters about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
I could be wrong..but just to be cautious.
Yes you can hunt with a pellet gun even if it is under 500 fps.
You only need a PAL if the Pellet gun shoots 500 fps or faster.
Therefore a pellet gun shooting less then 500 fps (ex 495) can be used for hunting and a PAL is not needed.
Don't confuse the firearms definition in Provincial regulations with Federal licensing requirements. The FWCA specifically identifies what a firearm is, for the purposes of the hunting regulations. Federal Firearms Act and Criminal Code differ. You don't require a PAL for a pellet gun under. 500 fps, but that same gun is still a firearm where hunting regulations are concerned. And to confuse things even more, a pellet gun that has a muzzle velocity under the 500 fps, is still classed as a "firearm " for Criminal Code firearms offences, such as point firearm, careless use etc.....
It does specify air and pellet pistols under 500 fps. Crossbows, bows are not subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkeyRookie
If that were the case I'm sure many bow hunters would be in fear of being charged for not having a PAL. When they refer them to a firearm that means they must follow firearm rules. Such as being cased and not shot off the road. an MNR officer don't care if you have a PAL or not. On the other hand a Police officer only cares about the PAL and not hunting permits.
No one has asked him why he plans to hunt with an air rifle. He may have a full H1 and a PAL. In other places they do a lot of hunting with Air Rifles.
Hey Saulo92, do you have an H1 and a PAL and enjoy hunting with Air Rifles, or do you only have an H2 and PAL?
hunting with an air rifle can do the trick if you're smart with it. I've been flogged for wanting to go out for rabbits with it, but a well placed shot at the right distance will do the trick. small game with a pellet rifle (shooting 495), means rabbits at a short distance or anything smaller. it often results in passing on racoons, foxes, cotoyes and bigger animals which unfortunately would simply be blinded by a head shot and starve to death without being taken as a successful kill. also, caliber makes a difference here. i wouldn't go .177 on and furry critter.
good luck OP. chances are you can bag a few critters this year. if you get the duck stamp, mourning doves are a great way to use the pellet gun. grouse and pheasant and crows are also good shooting. i've seen and wacked more small game with the .22 air rifle than I have the longbow or crossbow.
You cannot hunt Dove with a pellet gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by punkrockerpj
Quote:
15. (1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) and section 23.1, no person shall hunt a migratory bird
(a) except with a long bow and arrow or with a shotgun not larger than number 10 gauge;
so if I am in the area and can pick you up and give you a ride .were we going to hunt .have you scouted a few spots that hold small game .I can even bring a dog to run some bunnys for us .let me know as I would love to go for a hunt around London I love to see and hunt new areas D
He would have a hard time "scouting" new areas as he stated that he doesn't have a car , that's his problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchhunter
wow, guys, thank you all for the answers! I was not expecting all that help :D
Well, here are some further information, as I didnt mention it before:
I am in Canada as an exchange student, in Fanshawe College here in London. But as I am here afforded by the Brazilian government, I needed to sign a full contract that included "abster-se de portar, intermediar ou consumir armas de fogo" (or, in english: "refrain from possessing, mediating or consuming firearms"). Maybe I could do it and no one would know, but I better follow the rules and not to put my studies in danger hahaha
I also could buy a bow/xbow, but I would not have enought time to practice it for this coming open season, so pellet guns are my only option ('not to hunt' would be another option, but I dont consider this one) :)
So I dont have a PAL so far because that would be useless (and expensive) to me, and i HOPE they gave me the right outdoors card option (dont remember if the right is H1 or H2), and I cant find out it for now because I have only the temporary one so far (that printed yellow card), and it does not say anything about the type of it
I am pretending now to buy a bike and reach the nearby farms with it, but it will be useless in the deadly Canada's winter.. so in a few months I will have this problem again hahaha if anyone here plans to hunt around London, remember the newbie hunter friends seeking rides! :)))
Did you take a hunter safety course? If not then all you can do is Fish. No hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by saulo92
Yes, I did! I did the "stand-alone" course, only for hunting. I have already my outdoors card and small-game licence, only waiting for the seasons to open :D
thanks for the clarification! i was assuming you could go out with a non lead shot (sold at tsc).Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkeyRookie
Too bad you did not do the firearms course. Even if you never bought one, you could at least borrow one and use it. I can take you out for a hunt and you can do everything the is hunting, but right now you can not use any firearms for hunting having only an H2 outdoor card.Quote:
Originally Posted by saulo92
You said you plan to buy a bow, so you can at least hunt once you practice enough. But lobbing arrows through the trees at squirrels may not be the best thing to do. Remember depending on the poundage that arrow can travel a couple hundred yards.
I would be very careful about using a pellet gun to hunt as well. You may find that your "no firearms" clause in your contract could also mean pellet guns. Pellet guns are still "firearms", as defined by the Criminal Code. I wouldn't want to see you put your education in jeopardy.